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Forget Gold—What Matters Is Copper

 
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People are freaking out that gold has fallen to $1,650, from its lofty highs above $1,800—they are freaking out something awful. “Gold has fallen 10%! The world is coming to an end!!!” I myself took a shellacking in gold—

—but copper is what has me worried.

Copper fell from $4.20 to $3.25—close to 25%—in about three weeks. Most of that tumble has happened in the last ten days, and what’s worrisome is that, as I write these words over the weekend, there is every indication that copper will continue its free fall come Monday.

From the numbers that I’m seeing—and from the historical fact that copper tends to fall roughly 40% from peak to trough during an American recession—there is every indication that copper could reach $2.67 in short order. And even bottom out below that—say at $2.20—before stabilizing around the $2.67 level.

But we’ll see. The price of copper is not the point of this discussion. The point of this discussion is what the price of copper means.

What it means for monetary policy.

We all know the old saying: “Copper is the only commodity with a Ph.D. in economics”, or words to the effect.

The ongoing price collapse of copper signals that the markets have collectively decided that there is going to be no resurgence of the global economies—at least not for the next 9 to 18 months. Up until now, the economic data that has been coming out over the last couple of weeks seemed to indicate that there’s going to be a double-dip—but in my mind, this fall in the price of copper confirms this notion that the general economy is going down.
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I read Gonzalo once in a while. He wrote a pretty scary article on hyperinflation once.

Maybe I will post it here...
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How Hyperinflation Will Happen
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I can see why.


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[link to dragonseedcave.com]

Copper has been used in medicine for thousands of years — apparently since before the beginning of recorded history. The ancients recognized copper as an essential healing mineral.

Copper was found useful for its curative powers — largely due to its antibacterial and antifungal properties — in the treatment of wounds and skin diseases.

In modern times, copper is becoming more widely recognized for its effectiveness in the treatment of a number of internal diseases including anemia, cancer, rheumatoid arthritis, stroke and heart disease.





[link to dragonseedcave.com]

Copper and other essential trace minerals cannot be formed by the human body. These minerals must be ingested in the diet or absorbed by the skin. The best dietary sources of copper include seafood (especially shellfish), organ meats (such as liver), whole grains, nuts, raisins, legumes (beans and lentils), and chocolate. Other food sources that contain copper include cereals, potatoes, peas, red meat, mushrooms, some dark green leafy vegetables (such as kale), and some fruits (such as coconuts, papaya, and apples). Tea, rice, and chicken are relatively low in copper but provide a reasonable amount of copper to the body because they are consumed in significant amounts.




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Copper in Egypt- The first recorded medical use of copper is found in the Smith Papyrus, one of the oldest books known. The Papyrus is an Egyptian medical text

Copper in Greece and Rome- The island of Cyprus provided a readily available supply of copper to Greece and is known to have provided much of the copper needed for the empires of ancient Phoenicia and Rome as well. Hippocrates (circa 400 B.C.E.), known as the father of modern medicine (and for whom the doctor's Hippocratic oath was named) mentions copper as a treatment for leg ulcers associated from varicose veins

Copper and The Aztecs- The Aztecs also used copper for medical purposes

As early as 1912, patients in Germany were treated for facial epithelioma with a mixture of copper chloride and lecithin, suggesting that copper compounds might assist anti-cancer activity. Recent work in the U.S. has shown that treatment of solid tumors with non-toxic doses of various organic complexes of copper markedly decreased tumor growth and metastasis and thus increased survival rate. These copper complexes did not kill cancer cells but caused them to revert to normal cells. Numerous studies have drawn attention to the relationship between copper deficiency and heart disease, which effect has now been traced to both a deficiency in copper and an imbalance in the copper-to-zinc ratio in the body. With reports of seizures in animals and humans who had significant and prolonged copper deficiencies in their diets, researches postulated that copper plays a role in the prevention of seizures. Research uncovered that organic compounds which are not themselves anti-convulsants, exhibit anticonvulsant activity when combined with copper. Further, it was found that copper complexes of all anti-epileptic drugs are more effective and less toxic than their parent drugs.
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[link to dragonseedcave.com]

Copper has been used in medicine for thousands of years — apparently since before the beginning of recorded history. The ancients recognized copper as an essential healing mineral.

Copper was found useful for its curative powers — largely due to its antibacterial and antifungal properties — in the treatment of wounds and skin diseases.

In modern times, copper is becoming more widely recognized for its effectiveness in the treatment of a number of internal diseases including anemia, cancer, rheumatoid arthritis, stroke and heart disease.





[link to dragonseedcave.com]

Copper and other essential trace minerals cannot be formed by the human body. These minerals must be ingested in the diet or absorbed by the skin. The best dietary sources of copper include seafood (especially shellfish), organ meats (such as liver), whole grains, nuts, raisins, legumes (beans and lentils), and chocolate. Other food sources that contain copper include cereals, potatoes, peas, red meat, mushrooms, some dark green leafy vegetables (such as kale), and some fruits (such as coconuts, papaya, and apples). Tea, rice, and chicken are relatively low in copper but provide a reasonable amount of copper to the body because they are consumed in significant amounts.




[link to dragonseedcave.com]

Copper in Egypt- The first recorded medical use of copper is found in the Smith Papyrus, one of the oldest books known. The Papyrus is an Egyptian medical text

Copper in Greece and Rome- The island of Cyprus provided a readily available supply of copper to Greece and is known to have provided much of the copper needed for the empires of ancient Phoenicia and Rome as well. Hippocrates (circa 400 B.C.E.), known as the father of modern medicine (and for whom the doctor's Hippocratic oath was named) mentions copper as a treatment for leg ulcers associated from varicose veins

Copper and The Aztecs- The Aztecs also used copper for medical purposes

As early as 1912, patients in Germany were treated for facial epithelioma with a mixture of copper chloride and lecithin, suggesting that copper compounds might assist anti-cancer activity. Recent work in the U.S. has shown that treatment of solid tumors with non-toxic doses of various organic complexes of copper markedly decreased tumor growth and metastasis and thus increased survival rate. These copper complexes did not kill cancer cells but caused them to revert to normal cells. Numerous studies have drawn attention to the relationship between copper deficiency and heart disease, which effect has now been traced to both a deficiency in copper and an imbalance in the copper-to-zinc ratio in the body. With reports of seizures in animals and humans who had significant and prolonged copper deficiencies in their diets, researches postulated that copper plays a role in the prevention of seizures. Research uncovered that organic compounds which are not themselves anti-convulsants, exhibit anticonvulsant activity when combined with copper. Further, it was found that copper complexes of all anti-epileptic drugs are more effective and less toxic than their parent drugs.

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interesting. I heard that if hospitals would use copper doorknobs they would have a lot less of those horrible infections too.

Copper is like silver in that it's a bactericide, as your article mentioned.

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26 Qualities That Make Man God-Like:

1: Fearlessness 2: purity of heart 3: Steadfastness 4: Almsgiving 5: Self-restraint 6: Religious rites 7: Right study of the scriptures 8: Self discipline 9: Straightforwardness 10: Noninjury 11: Truth 12: Absense of wrath 13: Renunciation 14: Peace 15: Absence of fault-finding and calumny 16: Compassion toward all beings 17: Noncovetousness, absence of greed 18: Gentleness 19: Modesty 20: Absence of restlessness 21: Radiance of character 22: Forgiveness 23: Patience or fortitude 24: Cleanness of body and purity of mind 25: Nonhatred 26: Lack of conceit
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I suppose this means the copper thieves and move onto some other recyclable material to steal for income.
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I suppose this means the copper thieves and move onto some other recyclable material to steal for income.
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I suppose that could mean that the electrical wires are slightly safer now...hf
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interesting. I heard that if hospitals would use copper doorknobs they would have a lot less of those horrible infections too.

Copper is like silver in that it's a bactericide, as your article mentioned.
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makes sense. the article also mentioned that archeologists found copper tubing (used for water plumbing) in the cheops pyramid still in serviceable condition after 5,000 years! taking into account how incorrect the dates are in history it's more like 10,000 years!

why is copper so cheap and not used more? why is gold so expensive? agendas...

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Makes me want to buy some copper for awhile. If it is a valuable as what you guys laid out then it will go up. Or it should.

Peace
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I suppose this means the copper thieves and move onto some other recyclable material to steal for income.
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Typo.
I meant..
I suppose this means the copper thieves will move onto some other recyclable material to steal for income.
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I suppose this means the copper thieves and move onto some other recyclable material to steal for income.
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I suppose that could mean that the electrical wires are slightly safer now...hf
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That was my first thought - the wires in vacant houses.
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Makes me want to buy some copper for awhile. If it is a valuable as what you guys laid out then it will go up. Or it should.

Peace
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it is useful!
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I suppose this means the copper thieves and move onto some other recyclable material to steal for income.
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I suppose that could mean that the electrical wires are slightly safer now...hf
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That was my first thought - the wires in vacant houses.
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and plumbing
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interesting. I heard that if hospitals would use copper doorknobs they would have a lot less of those horrible infections too.

Copper is like silver in that it's a bactericide, as your article mentioned.
 Quoting: Astrochik


makes sense. the article also mentioned that archeologists found copper tubing (used for water plumbing) in the cheops pyramid still in serviceable condition after 5,000 years! taking into account how incorrect the dates are in history it's more like 10,000 years!

why is copper so cheap and not used more? why is gold so expensive? agendas...
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aluminum is`cheaper?
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1: Fearlessness 2: purity of heart 3: Steadfastness 4: Almsgiving 5: Self-restraint 6: Religious rites 7: Right study of the scriptures 8: Self discipline 9: Straightforwardness 10: Noninjury 11: Truth 12: Absense of wrath 13: Renunciation 14: Peace 15: Absence of fault-finding and calumny 16: Compassion toward all beings 17: Noncovetousness, absence of greed 18: Gentleness 19: Modesty 20: Absence of restlessness 21: Radiance of character 22: Forgiveness 23: Patience or fortitude 24: Cleanness of body and purity of mind 25: Nonhatred 26: Lack of conceit
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it`s goin down......so as gold........we and you are doomed
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it`s goin down......so as gold........we and you are doomed
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evidently...hiding
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copper mine production by country
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possibly something to do with Chile?
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copper mine production by country
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possibly something to do with Chile?
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If you read the article it explains that it's generally a bad economic indicator when copper drops in value.

It's widely used in industry.
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Makes me want to buy some copper for awhile. If it is a valuable as what you guys laid out then it will go up. Or it should.

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hi Buford!

even if it doesn't go up you could make jewelry (bracelets, necklaces, rings) out of it. its healing qualities are priceless (gets absorbed through the skin) :)



aluminum is`cheaper?
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supply vs demand data is a farce. oil is the best example, there are endless supplies and they con people into thinking we rely on the middle east. then they create instability in the region and manipulate futures with their monopoly money. that's why oil is $80 (actually went up to $140 at one stage) per barrel instead of $10 max. they use the same formula for nearly everything traded on 'free markets', lol

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Copper is typically seen as a leading economic indicator. if copper is up, it indicates an expected increase in global industrial use, an expansion. A decrease in copper prices -- the opposite.

The above is based on logic, and although I do believe we are entering a time of increase velocity in industrial contraction, I cannot negate the possibility some of the downtrend in copper is emotionally based.
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Makes me want to buy some copper for awhile. If it is a valuable as what you guys laid out then it will go up. Or it should.

Peace
 Quoting: Buford2



hi Buford!

even if it doesn't go up you could make jewelry (bracelets, necklaces, rings) out of it. its healing qualities are priceless (gets absorbed through the skin) :)



aluminum is`cheaper?
 Quoting: Astrochik


supply vs demand data is a farce. oil is the best example, there are endless supplies and they con people into thinking we rely on the middle east. then they create instability in the region and manipulate futures with their monopoly money. that's why oil is $80 (actually went up to $140 at one stage) per barrel instead of $10 max. they use the same formula for nearly everything traded on 'free markets', lol
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Interesting you mention this - I make jewelry - and yes, I remember that copper is said to have healing properties worn as a bracelet - for arthritis in particular I believe...hf
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Copper is typically seen as a leading economic indicator. if copper is up, it indicates an expected increase in global industrial use, an expansion. A decrease in copper prices -- the opposite.

The above is based on logic, and although I do believe we are entering a time of increase velocity in industrial contraction, I cannot negate the possibility some of the downtrend in copper is emotionally based.
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Part one - spot on!

Part two - hope you're right that some of the perceived contraction is emotionally based!

Thanks for your post!! It was very informative about this topic. hf
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Copper

Periodic Table: #11

Copper makes the penny

A penny is a coin

Coin is "change"



The Copper Planet - Mercury

Mercury - Satan's Star
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Copper

Periodic Table: #11

Copper makes the penny

A penny is a coin

Coin is "change"



The Copper Planet - Mercury

Mercury - Satan's Star
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why is Mercury Satan's star?
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why is Mercury Satan's star?
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mercury is certainly not satan's star, another lie from the decievers. those in ignorance ignore and are deaf to the true voice of mercury, focusing their lives on sensual desire, greed and attachments which are the root of all evil (satan).

mercury = hermes = nebu = thoth = hod = raven
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why is Mercury Satan's star?
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mercury is certainly not satan's star, another lie from the decievers. those in ignorance ignore and are deaf to the true voice of mercury, focusing their lives on sensual desire, greed and attachments which are the root of all evil (satan).

mercury = hermes = nebu = thoth = hod = raven
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Ok, I like that better than Satan (I accidentally typed Santa first time!) but could you elaborate a bit more...

I feel obtuse.
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Ok, I like that better than Satan (I accidentally typed Santa first time!) but could you elaborate a bit more...

I feel obtuse.
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devil/satan does not exist, its original meaning is a symbol for the emotional energies that overcome the ego and mind if one succumbs to sensual desire, greed and attachments. it is the root of all evil but not a spiritual entity

look up the archetypes/myths behind mercury, hermes, nebu, thoth, hod, raven

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Ok, I like that better than Satan (I accidentally typed Santa first time!) but could you elaborate a bit more...

I feel obtuse.
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devil/satan does not exist, its original meaning is a symbol for the emotional energies that overcome the ego and mind if one succumbs to sensual desire, greed and attachments. it is the root of all evil but not a spiritual entity

look up the archetypes/myths behind mercury, hermes, nebu, thoth, hod, raven

don't feel obtuse, you are far from it. you're a champion!!!
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Mercury has several archetypes associated with it. I enjoy the Tarot and Astrology but there are so many "occult" things I cannot keep up with them all!!
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1: Fearlessness 2: purity of heart 3: Steadfastness 4: Almsgiving 5: Self-restraint 6: Religious rites 7: Right study of the scriptures 8: Self discipline 9: Straightforwardness 10: Noninjury 11: Truth 12: Absense of wrath 13: Renunciation 14: Peace 15: Absence of fault-finding and calumny 16: Compassion toward all beings 17: Noncovetousness, absence of greed 18: Gentleness 19: Modesty 20: Absence of restlessness 21: Radiance of character 22: Forgiveness 23: Patience or fortitude 24: Cleanness of body and purity of mind 25: Nonhatred 26: Lack of conceit
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Mercury has several archetypes associated with it. I enjoy the Tarot and Astrology but there are so many "occult" things I cannot keep up with them all!!
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cool. just meant hermes, nebu, thoth, hod and raven in relation to mercury

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