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So-called 911 truth myth #1, Towers fell at free fall speed.

 
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The towers were the tallest in the world. They would not require the conventional demolition rather were "peeled" like a banana. The floors did not sandwich or fall over to the side as a structural failure would.
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If you see the WHOLE collapse start to finish the penthouse collapses 5 or 6 seconds BEFORE the rest of the building comes down.


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He thinks a controlled demolition starts from the top. Better go back to your books, it always starts from the groundfloors up!
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OP is a fucktard karma troll idiot who deletes posts so he can deny that he is the lowest form of assfuck in the iNternetz.

int
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Hey, I warned in the OP I would take out anything off topic.
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You are off topic you fuck. your kind of lazy ass trolling fucks disgust me. you intentionally troll to get posts from people so you can report them as "abusive" and build up a bunch of fake karma. seriously dood, get a fucking life.
..and now i know why things aren't as pretty from the inside..
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I think it's time to stop picking on this helpless soul..

By now he must have seen the light..
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Re: So-called 911 truth myth #1, Towers fell at free fall speed.
..... Building 7 did not fall at free fall speed either and actually took A LOT longer than WTC 1 & 2.....
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Interesting... if what you are saying is true, then WTC 1 & 2 actually fell FASTER than free fall speed, since NIST has admitted that WTC Building 7 fell at free fall speed.

That WTC7 fell at free fall speed is OFFICIALLY an undisputed fact.

fail...
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Not if you start the total time of the collapse from when the penthouse starts to fall in.

Interesting that so-called truthers would use ANY point made by the NIST as TRUTH of anything.
 Quoting: G. House


Sorry, but in the real world, you actually got to back up your claims, and saying "by watching all videos" is not in any way scientific enough to be believable. Look on page one, there is a video that explains how to use a simple software to analyze the videos, do some homework, because you are wrong, and NIST as well as everyone else happens to be right.


What you are saying is, instead of believing NIST, or the thousands of architects and engineers, that it is an undisputed fact that WTC7 collapsed at free fall speed, we should listen to your theory that is backed by your personal opinion only?

wow...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1909691


Excuse me?

If you drop something like a bowling ball out of a window on the 100th floor of a building JUST AS THE BUILDING starts to collapse...

and the bowling ball hits the ground 3 seconds before the 100th floor hits the ground...

the 100th floor WAS NOT COLLAPSING at free fall speed.

Now...

if YOU do not have the brain power to reason that out on you own...

I would not take too much stock in any other opinion YOU might want to banter.
"Everybody lies."
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they, and tower 7 fell over in sympathy for the other towers. Regardless of near 'free' fall or free fall.

Methinks, you are a devils advocate.
It was a fascist coup, fascist yanks, fascist isrealis, nazis and commies... they are all the same team, sharing the booty.

Not far to go before the world taker over plan is complete... you and your allies are in X countries, marching to the holy land marking your turf like a bulldog.

The rich get richer, and proud of conquest, the sheeple just get fcuked over as usual.

collapse coming soon. hangover time. eta 5 years.
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Stop feeding him.
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Interesting... if what you are saying is true, then WTC 1 & 2 actually fell FASTER than free fall speed, since NIST has admitted that WTC Building 7 fell at free fall speed.

That WTC7 fell at free fall speed is OFFICIALLY an undisputed fact.

fail...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1909691


Not if you start the total time of the collapse from when the penthouse starts to fall in.

Interesting that so-called truthers would use ANY point made by the NIST as TRUTH of anything.
 Quoting: G. House


Sorry, but in the real world, you actually got to back up your claims, and saying "by watching all videos" is not in any way scientific enough to be believable. Look on page one, there is a video that explains how to use a simple software to analyze the videos, do some homework, because you are wrong, and NIST as well as everyone else happens to be right.


What you are saying is, instead of believing NIST, or the thousands of architects and engineers, that it is an undisputed fact that WTC7 collapsed at free fall speed, we should listen to your theory that is backed by your personal opinion only?

wow...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1909691


Excuse me?

If you drop something like a bowling ball out of a window on the 100th floor of a building JUST AS THE BUILDING starts to collapse...

and the bowling ball hits the ground 3 seconds before the 100th floor hits the ground...

the 100th floor WAS NOT COLLAPSING at free fall speed.

Now...

if YOU do not have the brain power to reason that out on you own...

I would not take too much stock in any other opinion YOU might want to banter.
 Quoting: G. House


I rather stick to the facts than some wild theory as the one you just stated.

It's funny how to just ignore that ALL people agree on the fact that the building 7 fell at free fall speed, the so called truthers as well as the governtment/NIST report all agree on this, it's only you, who doesn't. wake up lol...
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OP is a fucktard karma troll idiot who deletes posts so he can deny that he is the lowest form of assfuck in the iNternetz.

int
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Hey, I warned in the OP I would take out anything off topic.
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You are off topic you fuck. your kind of lazy ass trolling fucks disgust me. you intentionally troll to get posts from people so you can report them as "abusive" and build up a bunch of fake karma. seriously dood, get a fucking life.
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You're making assumptions.

I've never reported ANYONE for an abusive post against ME.

As this post is.

You have NO IDEA of which you speak.

The great majority of the post I've reported are links or material from GLP unfriendly sites.

It's to protect GLP from repercussions FROM those same GLP unfriendly sites in the future.

I'm sure you're a GREAT human being when not whining and calling people vulgar names so I give you the benefit of doubt.

Now STFU already.
"Everybody lies."
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OK lets sum up so far.

I've destroyed the so-called truth mantra

WTC 1 & 2 fell at free fall speed.

So called truthers can not stay on topic and brought up WTC 7.

I've also shown THAT building did not fall at free fall speed either.

Collapse STARTS when the penthouse falls in.
 Quoting: G. House


do you believe in the pancake theory
is this what your saying

also why did the 911 commission report leave out the wtc7 in its reports

thank you
 Quoting: anti-agenda21


Seriously do you think if the columns weakened in the area affected by the crash and that a floor collapsed that the rest of the building would just drop one floor and stop?

I DON'T work for the NIST so I can't answer your question as to why they reported what at what time.
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thank you
i think your response clearly speaks volumes about your intensions and actions in this thread.

carry on.
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Re: So-called 911 truth myth #1, Towers fell at free fall speed.
a similar steel frame structure during...

and after ...
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If you watch WTC collapse videos...Oh really? which ones yours?

This next sentence is confusing. Can you restate it please? You sound like a bordeline idiot! It will be hard to stay on your topic if...if..well if you write like an idiot
you will see debri hitting the ground from where the collapse started LONG before that area of the building hits the ground.

At least 3 seconds before.

Yet so-called truthers repeat time and time again that the towers fell at free fall speed.

So you see debri blossoming[what you see is.(and I like your word choice "blossoming out")the building turning to dust!] and falling at free fall speed yet the towers collapse is just a bit slower.

ANYONE with a functioning brain and eyes can see the statement that they fell at free fall speed is wrong.



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If you watch WTC collapse videos you will see debri hitting the ground from where the collapse started LONG before that area of the building hits the ground.

At least 3 seconds before.

Yet so-called truthers repeat time and time again that the towers fell at free fall speed.

So you see debri blossoming out and falling at free fall speed yet the towers collapse is just a bit slower.

ANYONE with a functioning brain and eyes can see the statement that they fell at free fall speed is wrong.

Yet so-called truthers repeat it over and over and over again.

Kind of muddies the veracity of their other claims.

If you want to reply to this post STAY on TOPIC.

Meaning free fall speed.

Do NOT use the obfuscate gambit or I will just remove your post.
 Quoting: G. House


Silverstein himself admitted that building 7 fell at "free fall speed" because they had to "pull" it. Any one with a "functioning" brain can tell you that, you can't wire an entire building in a few minutes.

In comparison those towers collapsed at the same rate and also into their own footprint.. too bad those witnesses who heard the explosions that morning aren't alive & how convenient that they were never called to give testimony at the so called "Inquiry."

"Do NOT use the obfuscate gambit or I will just remove your post.." In other words, agree with me or be removed. How very shill-like.

I bet they pay you well.. shroom
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Not if you start the total time of the collapse from when the penthouse starts to fall in.

Interesting that so-called truthers would use ANY point made by the NIST as TRUTH of anything.
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Sorry, but in the real world, you actually got to back up your claims, and saying "by watching all videos" is not in any way scientific enough to be believable. Look on page one, there is a video that explains how to use a simple software to analyze the videos, do some homework, because you are wrong, and NIST as well as everyone else happens to be right.


What you are saying is, instead of believing NIST, or the thousands of architects and engineers, that it is an undisputed fact that WTC7 collapsed at free fall speed, we should listen to your theory that is backed by your personal opinion only?

wow...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1909691


Excuse me?

If you drop something like a bowling ball out of a window on the 100th floor of a building JUST AS THE BUILDING starts to collapse...

and the bowling ball hits the ground 3 seconds before the 100th floor hits the ground...

the 100th floor WAS NOT COLLAPSING at free fall speed.

Now...

if YOU do not have the brain power to reason that out on you own...

I would not take too much stock in any other opinion YOU might want to banter.
 Quoting: G. House


I rather stick to the facts than some wild theory as the one you just stated.

It's funny how to just ignore that ALL people agree on the fact that the building 7 fell at free fall speed, the so called truthers as well as the governtment/NIST report all agree on this, it's only you, who doesn't. wake up lol...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1909691


Wild theory?

What wild theory?

And about building 7.

How many friggen times do I have to repeat myself?

Look at an UNEDITED video of the collapse of WTC 7.

The collapse starts when the penthouse falls in which was at least 4 or more seconds before the rest of the building collapses.

Or don't YOU count that as part of the collapse?

YOU do realize that for the penthouse to collapse columns under it had to collapse?

Do YOU really know anything about buildings?

Other than what you've seen in so-called truth videos with really cheesy music added?
"Everybody lies."
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sigh. yes, you! the benevolent protector of all GLP. if you can't understand why people can't stand you then perhaps this is your lot in life. enjoy it. if you really want to help out GLP, cut out the fucking trolling. there are enough AC's to do that already.
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Whether the towers fell "at free fall" speed or not, there is no way anyone is every going to convince me that they fell ONLY because of the plane hitting them....yes it caused a fire in each building, and yes there was the jet fuel.......still does not make any sense. I would have expected the towers to partially fall - like maybe the top part above each plane to tumble over, but watching the way the towers DID fall - just does not seem like a plane would cause that, just my opinion, and I really don't care if people disagree with me. UNtil I'm shown proof 110% that it was just the planes, I wont believe it. I've seen people try and give "proof", but it still just doesnt add up.
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Only three skyscrapers have ever fallen spontaneously, two of them were hit by aeroplanes, the other just fell, all on the same day, just a coincidence.
hf
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chuckle
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sigh. yes, you! the benevolent protector of all GLP. if you can't understand why people can't stand you then perhaps this is your lot in life. enjoy it. if you really want to help out GLP, cut out the fucking trolling. there are enough AC's to do that already.
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How is presenting something easily observable to the human eye and reasoning process trolling?
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Some of the "Homelandboys" grab every straw you can get to tie something together,

What you mostly hear is figure speach, thats just natural as we cant go to explain milliseconds everytime we discuss this matter,we all know what we mean and I think you do to if you really think about it,
and as many also even commented on live TV remember,
it was pretty obvious for some of us that seen house demolitions before,

and its as close to free fall as it would be expected for a typical demolition job , OK, good enough ?
how many have of you have seen a highrise fall that fast only by fire damage even airplanes strucked buildings
(the building was suppose to take more than one 707 ) without rigged detonation aid, ,,give me one example,

A natural fall from a heated steel structure, partly broken framing and even random explosions at say one or two or even 3 sections on a building of this size during the fall it would still take longer time for the building to fall as it would cause large resistance in the sections that are not damaged, and remember heat mainly travels upward and steel framing below cools it off as a big heat sink, especially the beams that were still coated by asbestos as they were so the lower parts would not have high temperatues at all, most of the jetfuel were wasted in the initial blow as would be expected,

the 3 buildings falls in the same speed as a typical controled demolition.


** Bless the 3000 in WTC and the many Soldiers and arab civilians that lost their lives in this 911 fars
for no good.
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911 was a really magical day,3 towers fell into their own footprints 2 of those had been hit by planes flown by barely trained arab terrorists who it would seem had better aviation skills than topgun pilots.they even managed to make a large aircraft disappear into a small hole in the pentagon leaving no debris on the lawn.

if the best you can come up with is to nit pick about the speed at which they fell then shame on you
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I hope you get ass fucked everyday by giant gorillas and aids infected donkeys for the remainder of your pathetic life op.
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THIS OP IS CLEARLY APART OF THIS AGENDA.
SEEN IN THE LINK BELOW AND THE ARTICLE.

PLEASE EVERYONE,INCLUDING OP TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

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Glenn Greenwald
Friday, Jan 15, 2010 07:16 ET
Obama confidant's spine-chilling proposal
By Glenn Greenwald

The creepy mind-set behind Cass Sunstein's creepy proposal
Salon/iStockphoto

(updated below - Update II - Update III - Update IV)

Cass Sunstein has long been one of Barack Obama's closest confidants. Often mentioned as a likely Obama nominee to the Supreme Court, Sunstein is currently Obama's head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs where, among other things, he is responsible for "overseeing policies relating to privacy, information quality, and statistical programs." In 2008, while at Harvard Law School, Sunstein co-wrote a truly pernicious paper proposing that the U.S. Government employ teams of covert agents and pseudo-"independent" advocates to "cognitively infiltrate" online groups and websites -- as well as other activist groups -- which advocate views that Sunstein deems "false conspiracy theories" about the Government. This would be designed to increase citizens' faith in government officials and undermine the credibility of conspiracists. The paper's abstract can be read, and the full paper downloaded, here.

[link to www.salon.com]



ORIGINAL PDF HERE....
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Unbeknownst to the Americans, however, was that Bout (who the CIA still believed was their asset) the week before the 9/11 attacks was tasked by his CIA handler Plame to deliver to Houston, Texas approximately 15 tonnes of Russian military PVV-5A Plastic Explosive plastic explosive (one of the most powerful in the world) through his, Bout’s Texas based air company IRBIS and to be signed for by Marvin Bush, President George Bush’s younger brother, and Wirt Walker III, George Bush’s cousin.

Important to note about Marvin Bush and Wirt Walker III is that at the time of the 9/11 attacks they were both directors of the American security company named Stratesec (formally known as Securacom) which was given a $8.3 million contract to help provide security at the World Trade Center and which the weekend prior to the attacks completely closed this massive skyscraper complex for 36 hours to “upgrade” its security system.

Now Bout in being curious, to say the least, as to why the Bush Family needed so much Russian explosives for their “upgrade” of the World Trade Center complex was “invited” by Marvin Bush to come to New York City to watch “the big show”, an offer Bout did not refuse. And so the night prior to 9/11 Bout traveled to New York City where he was met by Bush “operatives” working for the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), who “coincidentally” had scheduled an emergency exercise for the morning of September 11, 2001 that all too soon became real.


15 tonnes of russian high explosives explains why their was nothing left afterwards.
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If you watch WTC collapse videos you will see debri hitting the ground from where the collapse started LONG before that area of the building hits the ground.

At least 3 seconds before.

Yet so-called truthers repeat time and time again that the towers fell at free fall speed.

So you see debri blossoming out and falling at free fall speed yet the towers collapse is just a bit slower.

ANYONE with a functioning brain and eyes can see the statement that they fell at free fall speed is wrong.

Yet so-called truthers repeat it over and over and over again.

Kind of muddies the veracity of their other claims.

If you want to reply to this post STAY on TOPIC.

Meaning free fall speed.

Do NOT use the obfuscate gambit or I will just remove your post.
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All of the footage of the WTC collapses are cgi, there are no real images OP. That's been demonstrated by the revelation of images showing 'smoke cloning' Inside job.
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If you watch WTC collapse videos you will see debri hitting the ground from where the collapse started LONG before that area of the building hits the ground.

At least 3 seconds before.

Yet so-called truthers repeat time and time again that the towers fell at free fall speed.

So you see debri blossoming out and falling at free fall speed yet the towers collapse is just a bit slower.

ANYONE with a functioning brain and eyes can see the statement that they fell at free fall speed is wrong.

Yet so-called truthers repeat it over and over and over again.

Kind of muddies the veracity of their other claims.

If you want to reply to this post STAY on TOPIC.

Meaning free fall speed.

Do NOT use the obfuscate gambit or I will just remove your post.
 Quoting: G. House


Silverstein himself admitted that building 7 fell at "free fall speed" because they had to "pull" it. Any one with a "functioning" brain can tell you that, you can't wire an entire building in a few minutes.

In comparison those towers collapsed at the same rate and also into their own footprint.. too bad those witnesses who heard the explosions that morning aren't alive & how convenient that they were never called to give testimony at the so called "Inquiry."

"Do NOT use the obfuscate gambit or I will just remove your post.." In other words, agree with me or be removed. How very shill-like.

I bet they pay you well.. shroom
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You're really funny!

So Silverstein is an expert on building construction?

I thought he was a financier.

Another thing I find interesting is you except his statement that the building fell at free fall speed (if he did in fact say that) yet his explanation about the "pull it" comment (pull out the fireman) is a LIE.

Cherry pick much?
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If you watch WTC collapse videos you will see debri hitting the ground from where the collapse started LONG before that area of the building hits the ground.

At least 3 seconds before.

Yet so-called truthers repeat time and time again that the towers fell at free fall speed.

So you see debri blossoming out and falling at free fall speed yet the towers collapse is just a bit slower.

ANYONE with a functioning brain and eyes can see the statement that they fell at free fall speed is wrong.

Yet so-called truthers repeat it over and over and over again.

Kind of muddies the veracity of their other claims.

If you want to reply to this post STAY on TOPIC.

Meaning free fall speed.

Do NOT use the obfuscate gambit or I will just remove your post.
 Quoting: G. House



Height of WTC:

1368 feet

[link to www.google.com]

Acceleration due to gravity = 32 feet per second squared

Therefore, for free fall speed it would take about 9.22 seconds to fall.

Page 305 of the 9/11 Commission Report states, "At 9:58:59, the South Tower collapsed in ten seconds, .... The building collapsed into itself, causing a ferocious windstorm and creating a massive debris cloud." (Chapter 9. html, pdf)

The August Fact Sheet (Answers to Frequently Asked Questions) by NIST states, "NIST estimated the elapsed times for the first exterior panels to strike the ground after the collapse initiated in each of the towers to be approximately 11 seconds for WTC 1 and approximately 9 seconds for WTC 2." (Question #6.)

The height of the South Tower (WTC2) is 1362 feet, and the height of the North Tower (WTC1) is 1368 feet, which are nearly the same.


The difference between 9.22 seconds and 10 seconds is negligible.

If these towers fell at freefall speed for the declared times of their falling (by accepted sources), then:

10 seconds freefall = 1610 feet. 242 feet more than height of WTC.
11 seconds freefall = 1948.1 feet. 580 feet more than height of WTC.


Time required to fall 580 feet at that time (10 seconds) about .5 seconds, so that is why the 10 or 11 second time seems to be agreed by 'currently accepted sources.'

So, therefore, difference from freefall speed is eight tenths (8/10) of a second...

So, I am to believe that a skyscraper built to last for a hundred years that cost millions of dollars built with concrete and steel was able to offer only .8 seconds of resistance from freefall?

YOU, sir, are a shill.

Get off my GLP.
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