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So-called 911 truth myth #1, Towers fell at free fall speed.

 
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there was an explosion*
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You, sir, are not worthy of having Hugh Laurie as your avatar.

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Re: So-called 911 truth myth #1, Towers fell at free fall speed.
If you watch WTC collapse videos you will see debri hitting the ground from where the collapse started LONG before that area of the building hits the ground.

At least 3 seconds before.

Yet so-called truthers repeat time and time again that the towers fell at free fall speed.

So you see debri blossoming out and falling at free fall speed yet the towers collapse is just a bit slower.

ANYONE with a functioning brain and eyes can see the statement that they fell at free fall speed is wrong.

Yet so-called truthers repeat it over and over and over again.

Kind of muddies the veracity of their other claims.

If you want to reply to this post STAY on TOPIC.

Meaning free fall speed.

Do NOT use the obfuscate gambit or I will just remove your post.
 Quoting: G. House

you dont see that. Theres no debris hitting the ground 3 seconds before. The claim itself i defunct.
?

Fact is, if the building woulda have fallen naturally it would have leaned over. Thats why controlled demo is AN EXACT SCIENCE. Because that shit DOES NOT fall like that naturally. IT DOESNT. thats why people get paid for controlled demo. Because single explosions CANNOT COLLAPSE A BUILDING. NOR CAN FIRE. AND CERTAINLY NOT A BUILDING THAT BIG.


Which is of course why 911 is the only instance of this. Cause its teh only controlled demo that people did not know was a controlled demo.
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BUILDING 7

Larry silverstein stated on public television that ''they knew they couldnt contain the building so the best thing was to pull it''

The official story states that The building collapsed due to fire.

Do you know how long it takes to prepare a building for demolishion, heres a hint, It aint a couple of hours..



So the official story states fire was cause of collapse although we have good old Larry state the building was pulled.


funny how you dont really want to speak about building 7, funny how nobody wants to speak about building 7
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1372902


I agree. And if they knew it was going to fall, why were they sending firefighters INTO the building?

And back on (your) topic. The pieces that hit the ground first fell first. It was a process, not an event. Geez, again, what fell first hit the ground first. "Stuff" fell off, then the building(s) collapsed. Sorry, but I don't get your reasoning here.
 Quoting: Captain Spaulding 1543488


There were no firefighters in the building for quite some time before it collapsed.

What are YOU talking about?

See, here's the thing.

Building 7 was mortally damaged by falling debri.

Firefighters describe that damage. They knew it was going to collapse hours before it did.

Interviews can be seen at firehouse.com.

YOU people always are ignorant of these interviews or ignore them WHY?
 Quoting: G. House


Never knew that. I was getting so tired hearing about the "mystery" of building 7! Thanks for the info.

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If you watch WTC collapse videos you will see debri hitting the ground from where the collapse started LONG before that area of the building hits the ground.

At least 3 seconds before.

Yet so-called truthers repeat time and time again that the towers fell at free fall speed.

So you see debri blossoming out and falling at free fall speed yet the towers collapse is just a bit slower.

ANYONE with a functioning brain and eyes can see the statement that they fell at free fall speed is wrong.


Your initial statement is loaded with unstated assumptions that are unproven and therefore don't provide support for your conclusion.

The fact that debris blossomed out from the building means it was accelerated and thus it has an acceleration component in addition to gravity. This means it could have a speed greater than free fall depending on the direction of the acceleration vector. There is no way that the debris could have been ejected from the building without an acceleration vector in that direction. This means that it had a force applied to it other than gravity. This of course means that a speed greater than free fall could be achieved by a piece of debris so accelerated.

The basic assumption you make in your statement is that I can see debris hitting the ground from where the collapse started long before that area of the building hits the ground. I don't see any video that you have posted which demonstrates the fact you claim. Furthermore there is no way that you can prove that the greatest velocity of anything in those videos is free-fall. So relative speeds are irrelevant and your argument has no support from that basis either.

Thus you have proven nothing other than you can post an usubstantiated strawman argument and tear it down. There is no basis for your claim and thus I consider it to be a false claim on it's face. Prove your claim before asking others to refute it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1538773


Right.

It might have been accelerated sideways but that would not impart any extra speed in decent.

As for what I said.

Again it is obvious in any of the collapse videos.

And as for your argument.

If true there is no way to substantiate ANY of the debri fell at free fall speeds.

So the so-called truther mantra that the towers fell at free fall speed is incorrect.

Also the other so-called truther mantra that the towers fell a NEAR free fall speed is incorrect.

Thanks for clearing this up.
"Everybody lies."
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So-called truthers are really shallow and small.

Most of you have made this into something personal.

There is no free flow of information at GLP.

Someone post's something you don't like and you make it personal TIME AND TIME AGAIN.

It's a laugh really.

So-called truthers often put themselves up as being enlightened, intelligent, insightful, etc.

What a friggen laugh!
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Cause lord knows thats not what your doing.........
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Right.

It might have been accelerated sideways but that would not impart any extra speed in decent.

As for what I said.

Again it is obvious in any of the collapse videos.

And as for your argument.

If true there is no way to substantiate ANY of the debri fell at free fall speeds.

So the so-called truther mantra that the towers fell at free fall speed is incorrect.

Also the other so-called truther mantra that the towers fell a NEAR free fall speed is incorrect.

Thanks for clearing this up.
 Quoting: G. House


Also as i recall.

Wasnt the claim "near" free fall speed? And of course again my main point is that a 100 story building will NEVER fall straight down. Literally the chances of that have to be 1 in a billion at least.
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This is what i hate about dumb liberals like the OP. They're so content on having their big government and huge fucking wars that they turn all dumb and deny physics even exist when it comes to 9/11.
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Please learn the difference between free fall accelerator/rate and free fall speed.

Building 7 for instance fell at free fall speed for 100 feet then continued into what's called 'free fall rate' which means it gains momentum and does not meet resistance.

Educated yourself before you look like an ass, also stay off the fluoridated water.
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iamwith
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You, sir, are not worthy of having Hugh Laurie as your avatar.

Idiot.
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lol

I thought the same thing.
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This is what i hate about dumb liberals like the OP. They're so content on having their big government and huge fucking wars that they turn all dumb and deny physics even exist when it comes to 9/11.
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Liberals? You and the OP work for the same people don't you. Tag team Delphi.
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You, sir, are not worthy of having Hugh Laurie as your avatar.

Idiot.
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lol

I thought the same thing.
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A guy on the internet is not 'worthy' of having a pic of an actor as an avatar?

lmao
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Please learn the difference between free fall accelerator/rate and free fall speed.

Building 7 for instance fell at free fall speed for 100 feet then continued into what's called 'free fall rate' which means it gains momentum and does not meet resistance.

Educated yourself before you look like an ass, also stay off the fluoridated water.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1425269


Well done in trying to educate this idiot.
I still cant understand why people still believe the BS story being told by the Government to me the whole thing is obvious even to a child, i think some people are brainwashed or have a really really low IQ.
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Right.

It might have been accelerated sideways but that would not impart any extra speed in decent.

As for what I said.

Again it is obvious in any of the collapse videos.

And as for your argument.

If true there is no way to substantiate ANY of the debri fell at free fall speeds.

So the so-called truther mantra that the towers fell at free fall speed is incorrect.

Also the other so-called truther mantra that the towers fell a NEAR free fall speed is incorrect.

Thanks for clearing this up.


If it might have accelerated sideways, it might have accelerated down as well so it had gravity plus an additional downward acceleration component and thus it would be faster than free-fall due to the additional downward acceleration component. Therefore, any debris hitting the ground before something else starting at the same place in the rest of the collapse does not prove the rest of the collapse wasn't at free fall speeds.

My disproof of your original claim doesn't have any bearing on the so-called mantras you posted. Those claims would stand on their own merits based on the arguments made by the claimants which you fail to dispute. You only dispute their conclusion with a claim that is erroneous. This simply shows that you are stupid.
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Over 120 1 stars OP! if youre a PAID shill dont expect a check this week!

cruise
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It's sad that you point out one small point on the whole 9-11 thing and that one point is so obviously wrong. I think you should take a step back and look at the whole picture. You can't seriously believe the official story from the government if you have looked at every bit of evidence. There is a famous saying and i believe it goes...."Think before you talk".
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O/P Take a look at the collapse of the twin towers, just look to see how the plum of smoke was drawn down. If that was not an implosion, then what caused the smoke to be sucked in.

The take a look how one of the few steel centre columns left standing vanished into smoke in front of your eyes.

Unfortunately with modern CGI the government will carry on obfuscating. What really happened will never be discovered, because they don't want the truth.

9/11 is an irrelevance now, Amerika (and the world) has a far more devastating problem unfolding and spiralling out of control. We will all be f***ed when the global Ponzi implodes.
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This is what i hate about dumb liberals like the OP. They're so content on having their big government and huge fucking wars that they turn all dumb and deny physics even exist when it comes to 9/11.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1425269


You're making a huge assumption.

I'm actually very far right.

Borderline anarchist.

I hate the friggen government.

But I won't bear false witness.

Let me give you an example of the rampant stupidity of GLPer's at times.

A FEW people here believe in mythical chemtrails.

I'm VERY close to the aviation industry... just isn't true.

Then you have a report in the MSM that the British are planning like 20 HUGE lighter than aircraft to spread sulfides in the upper atmosphere to help alleviate global warming.

Not that they MIGHT do it, but that they are GOING TO DO IT.

REAL honest to GOD chemtrails right IN YOUR FACE!

I make a post to point that out.

COMPLETLY ignored by the Chemtrail Hoax community...

Why?

They give the excuse, what difference does it make as they are doing it already.

Complete friggen fools.

No they are NOT DOING IT ALREADY!

But you are going to let them do this other hare brained scheme as you defeated YOURSELVES before the fight even began.

My take on 911?

Aircraft hit the towers and the ensuing damage was a result of that.

Exactly WHO was behind what led up to the aircraft flying there?

I have no idea as the whole thing is quite murky.

YOU people are hung up on the mechanics of the collapse.

And you are making yourselves out to look like idiots.

You should be looking for answers elsewhere.

And THAT'S truth.

Not so-called truth.

And just a bit further.

WHOEVER did run those aircraft into the WTC did not expect the buildings to fall.

My personal opinion?

WTC was not a good design.

Sure it was OK if you didn't run a couple of aircraft grossing 250,000lbs. into them at over 400 knots.

Last Edited by G. House on 09/25/2011 12:33 PM
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Over 120 1 stars OP! if youre a PAID shill dont expect a check this week!

cruise
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It doesnt go by rating. It would go by views. The fact that so many people chose to rate at all, shows hell be getting that check. lol
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OP is mentally challenged.
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I still cant fathom why people still believe the governments version of the truth.
Just listening to the sheer number of coincidences is enough for me.
There is no way this amount coincidences are coincidences am not going to go into them here as am fed up trying to educate the zoombies going along with the governments story.
People really need to start waking up ASAP cause this isn't going to go away and the truth will eventually come out but the longer it takes for the zoombies to wake up the longer it's going to take for the REAL truth to come out.
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Over 120 1 stars OP! if youre a PAID shill dont expect a check this week!

cruise
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It doesnt go by rating. It would go by views. The fact that so many people chose to rate at all, shows hell be getting that check. lol
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Makes you wonder where he got all the good karma from, and a karma pin. Do shills buy karma?
hf
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So-called truthers are really shallow and small.

Most of you have made this into something personal.

There is no free flow of information at GLP.

Someone post's something you don't like and you make it personal TIME AND TIME AGAIN.

It's a laugh really.

So-called truthers often put themselves up as being enlightened, intelligent, insightful, etc.

What a friggen laugh!
 Quoting: G. House


Cause lord knows thats not what your doing.........
 Quoting: Fatstogie


Love it !! everytime someone those sand in his eyes and knocks him down --- he throws a hissy fit .... ive just been lurking =)

but 'G' ... your an ass - go ahead and delete it (boo-hoo)

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Right.

It might have been accelerated sideways but that would not impart any extra speed in decent.

As for what I said.

Again it is obvious in any of the collapse videos.

And as for your argument.

If true there is no way to substantiate ANY of the debri fell at free fall speeds.

So the so-called truther mantra that the towers fell at free fall speed is incorrect.

Also the other so-called truther mantra that the towers fell a NEAR free fall speed is incorrect.

Thanks for clearing this up.


If it might have accelerated sideways, it might have accelerated down as well so it had gravity plus an additional downward acceleration component and thus it would be faster than free-fall due to the additional downward acceleration component. Therefore, any debris hitting the ground before something else starting at the same place in the rest of the collapse does not prove the rest of the collapse wasn't at free fall speeds.

My disproof of your original claim doesn't have any bearing on the so-called mantras you posted. Those claims would stand on their own merits based on the arguments made by the claimants which you fail to dispute. You only dispute their conclusion with a claim that is erroneous. This simply shows that you are stupid.
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No the forces you're talking about would have been able to exert some extra force sideways...

but down?

No, the rest of the building was still in the way.

Unless you're saying the forces can turn 90 degrees which they can't.

A floor collapses...

unless something was crushed in place it would tend to be pushed sideways.

What force would cause acceleration "down?"
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If you watch WTC collapse videos you will see debri hitting the ground from where the collapse started LONG before that area of the building hits the ground.

At least 3 seconds before.

Yet so-called truthers repeat time and time again that the towers fell at free fall speed.

So you see debri blossoming out and falling at free fall speed yet the towers collapse is just a bit slower.

ANYONE with a functioning brain and eyes can see the statement that they fell at free fall speed is wrong.

Yet so-called truthers repeat it over and over and over again.

Kind of muddies the veracity of their other claims.

If you want to reply to this post STAY on TOPIC.

Meaning free fall speed.

Do NOT use the obfuscate gambit or I will just remove your post.
 Quoting: G. House


I have never said that the towers fell at free fall speed; I have always said that they were blown up with Thermite or Thermate, according to what the guys on www.ae911truth.org has said. And this is a group of 2000 or so architects and structural engineers who said how these building came down and what was powerful enough to vaporized and pulverize and turn almost everything to powder.

Thats who has the last word in my book. Those men and women who do this for a living. And most of them have signed petitions to have a re-investigation of how President Bush and Cheney and Rumsfel and Rice not only allowed it to happen but were implicit in it happening; as they were under the directions of their International Banker/Illuminati/Freemasonry/Jewish Zionist puppet masters!!

And their places in the great lake of fire and brimstone will be horrifically agonizing forever and ever in the very near future!!
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I don't care if the towers (all three of them) fell at "free fall speed" or not.

The officially approved fairy tale is bullshit.
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So-called truthers repeat free fall speed as a mantra.

So now that I've called that out you won't repeat it any more?
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No, moron, some people have focused on tower 7 collapsing at free fall speed. Nobody has ever mentioned the wtcs collapsing at free fall speed, just their obvious similarities to controlled demolition of skyscrapers.
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bump to show what a jackass you are - to all the public =)
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It's OK, OP, we all have to reap what we sow. If it hurts too much to admit that "Big Brother" inappropriately touched you, we can't force you... To your supervisor (assuming he is doing HIS job in a less "ham-fisted" manor than you are): Fire this tool he's an inefficient unit that weakens the chain-that-binds. He's not even swaying the weak minded GLP crowd.
 Quoting: RawElk0Armed


Apparently that is the best you can do?

A personal attack.

Well not that it shocks me.

That's what so-called truthers do.

You have become so jaded by constantly bearing false witness you will stop at nothing.

IF...

all you maniacs said about TPTB was true...

you would have all been dragged from your abodes long ago...

and disappeared.

Yet you are all HERE, bantering on as usual.
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LMAO, you take your online persona to seriously. Nothing you've stated here has been ground-breaking, inviting of SERIOUS discussion or even worthy of another tired round of "Nu-Uh, look at my link, I'm right!" I'm not a "truther", I'm a sovereign being and belong to no group that is vulnerable to infiltration. I don't even know you to make this personal. Get a real job (or a real life), but I won't hold my breath waiting for your weak sauce to gain strength. :)
 Quoting: RawElk0Armed


Excuse me?

Accusing me of having sexual relations with a "handler" or even saying I'm paid to make posts at GLP is not a personal attack?

My persona here is identifiable in relation to my record here.

I actually have a poster who uses multiple accounts to give me Bad Karma (he numbers them and I've gotten 4 or 5 on the same day).
 Quoting: G. House


The "big brother" line was a metaphor for an ABUSE OF POWER, not lost on those who have a keen sense for the OBVIOUS. I've implied that, yes, you are either a "paid shill", or you're not smart enough to rebel against your own enslavement, further, you are inadvertently contributing to it. Those are my two working THEORIES... you may try, but you can't smear your intellectual superiors. :P :) :D
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You need to give it up, you idiot. Even most kids know the government is a gigantic piece of shit scam these days.
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This is what i hate about dumb liberals like the OP. They're so content on having their big government and huge fucking wars that they turn all dumb and deny physics even exist when it comes to 9/11.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1425269


You're making a huge assumption.

I'm actually very far right.

Borderline anarchist.

I hate the friggen government.

But I won't bear false witness.

Let me give you an example of the rampant stupidity of GLPer's at times.

A FEW people here believe in mythical chemtrails.

I'm VERY close to the aviation industry... just isn't true.

Then you have a report in the MSM that the British are planning like 20 HUGE lighter than air craft to spread sulfides in the upper atmosphere to help alleviate global warming.

Not that they MIGHT do it, but that they are GOING TO DO IT.

REAL honest to GOD chemtrails right IN YOUR FACE!

I make a post to point that out.

COMPLETEY ignored by the Chemtrail Hoax community...

Why?

They give the excuse, what difference does it make as they are doing it already.

Complete friggen fools.

No they are NOT DOING IT ALREADY!

But you are going to let them do this other hare brained scheme as you defeated YOURSELVES before the fight even began.

My take on 911?

Aircraft hit the towers and the ensuing damage was a result of that.

Exactly WHO was behind what led up to the aircraft flying there?

I have no idea as the whole thing is quite murky.

YOU people are hung up on the mechanics of the collapse.

And you are making yourselves out to look like idiots.

You should be looking for answers elsewhere.

And THAT'S truth.

Not so-called truth.

And just a bit further.

WHOEVER did run those aircraft into the WTC did not expect the buildings to fall.

My personal opinion?

WTC was not a good design.

Sure it was OK if you didn't run a couple of aircraft grossing 250,000lbs. into them at over 400 knots.
 Quoting: G. House


OH dear somebody please help this guy
The governments have experimented with chemicals for years and have even addmitted this please do some research into this(not just chemtrails)the incident am refering to was in England and was not spread by planes.
Once you find this info you will be eating your own words the info is on the net official documents there for all to see.

News