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WTC fires in 1975, why didnt it pancake back then ?

 
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WTC fires in 1975, why didnt it pancake back then ?
The 1975
World Trade Center Fires..

6 floors around 11th floor burned intensely for 3-4 hours

heavy intence fires according to firemen,

question is why didn it fall/pancake back then with all the heavy building on top of these lower floors ;)

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Re: WTC fires in 1975, why didnt it pancake back then ?
The 1975
World Trade Center Fires..

6 floors around 11th floor burned intensely for 3-4 hours

heavy intence fires according to firemen,

question is why didn it fall/pancake back then with all the heavy building on top of these lower floors ;)

[link to bellaciao.org]

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Swampgasser


Totally different construction methods in the lower and basement floor compared to the upper floors.

If I remember correctly only one column was slightly damaged and most of the stuff in that area was reinforced concrete.
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Re: WTC fires in 1975, why didnt it pancake back then ?
Because there was no paper thin aluminum from an airplane to completely shred all the solid steel support columns in a symmetrical pattern leading to a symmetrical collapse.
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Re: WTC fires in 1975, why didnt it pancake back then ?
The 1975
World Trade Center Fires..

6 floors around 11th floor burned intensely for 3-4 hours

heavy intence fires according to firemen,

question is why didn it fall/pancake back then with all the heavy building on top of these lower floors ;)

[link to bellaciao.org]

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Swampgasser


Totally different construction methods in the lower and basement floor compared to the upper floors.

If I remember correctly only one column was slightly damaged and most of the stuff in that area was reinforced concrete.
 Quoting: G. House


lol
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Re: WTC fires in 1975, why didnt it pancake back then ?
Because it wasn't loaded with rigged explosives.....


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Thread: DID THE COMPLETE COLLAPSE OF 47-STORY WORLD TRADE CENTER BUILDING 7 (FROM FIRES ALONE) INSTIGATE CHANGES TO SKYSCRAPER BUILDlNG CODES??
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Re: WTC fires in 1975, why didnt it pancake back then ?
or maybe a plane didn't hit
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Re: WTC fires in 1975, why didnt it pancake back then ?
Some reasons I can think of:

1) They would have been fueled only by fuel available in the
offices.

2) They would have spread slowly spreading heat load on the
structure. Offices aren't going to burn hot for all that long.
Likely only minutes per room until the fire dies down.

3) They weren't fueled by an entire plane load of fuel.

4) The insulation on the beams would have stayed intact.

5) The structure wasn't already damaged.
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Re: WTC fires in 1975, why didnt it pancake back then ?
The 1975
World Trade Center Fires..

6 floors around 11th floor burned intensely for 3-4 hours

heavy intence fires according to firemen,

question is why didn it fall/pancake back then with all the heavy building on top of these lower floors ;)

[link to bellaciao.org]

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Swampgasser


Totally different construction methods in the lower and basement floor compared to the upper floors.

If I remember correctly only one column was slightly damaged and most of the stuff in that area was reinforced concrete.
 Quoting: G. House


lol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1491877


Excuse me laughing boy!

Are you saying that isn't true? That the construction wasn't radically different than that at the 80th or so floor.

It was a friggen parking garage.

Made of reinforced concrete.

You could have easily converted it into a bunker.
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Re: WTC fires in 1975, why didnt it pancake back then ?
The 1975
World Trade Center Fires..

6 floors around 11th floor burned intensely for 3-4 hours

heavy intence fires according to firemen,

question is why didn it fall/pancake back then with all the heavy building on top of these lower floors ;)

[link to bellaciao.org]

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Swampgasser


Totally different construction methods in the lower and basement floor compared to the upper floors.

If I remember correctly only one column was slightly damaged and most of the stuff in that area was reinforced concrete.
 Quoting: G. House


Your rehearsing for a new reality show called the "Nut Case Files" right? Nobody can be this ignorant.
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Re: WTC fires in 1975, why didnt it pancake back then ?
The 1975
World Trade Center Fires..

6 floors around 11th floor burned intensely for 3-4 hours

heavy intence fires according to firemen,

question is why didn it fall/pancake back then with all the heavy building on top of these lower floors ;)

[link to bellaciao.org]

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Swampgasser


Totally different construction methods in the lower and basement floor compared to the upper floors.

If I remember correctly only one column was slightly damaged and most of the stuff in that area was reinforced concrete.
 Quoting: G. House


PAID GOVERNMENT SHILL SPEAKS OUT.


You should try to make it less obvious sir.
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Re: WTC fires in 1975, why didnt it pancake back then ?
Because it hadn't been SLICED IN HALF by a 747 loaded with thousands of gallons of jet fuel and because there weren't tons of molten aluminum mixing with water.

Next stupid question....
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Re: WTC fires in 1975, why didnt it pancake back then ?
The 1975
World Trade Center Fires..

6 floors around 11th floor burned intensely for 3-4 hours

heavy intence fires according to firemen,

question is why didn it fall/pancake back then with all the heavy building on top of these lower floors ;)

[link to bellaciao.org]

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Swampgasser


Totally different construction methods in the lower and basement floor compared to the upper floors.

If I remember correctly only one column was slightly damaged and most of the stuff in that area was reinforced concrete.
 Quoting: G. House


lol
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G. Louse is a hoot eh?
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Re: WTC fires in 1975, why didnt it pancake back then ?
The 1975
World Trade Center Fires..

6 floors around 11th floor burned intensely for 3-4 hours

heavy intence fires according to firemen,

question is why didn it fall/pancake back then with all the heavy building on top of these lower floors ;)

[link to bellaciao.org]

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Swampgasser


Totally different construction methods in the lower and basement floor compared to the upper floors.

If I remember correctly only one column was slightly damaged and most of the stuff in that area was reinforced concrete.
 Quoting: G. House


lol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1491877


Excuse me laughing boy!

Are you saying that isn't true? That the construction wasn't radically different than that at the 80th or so floor.

It was a friggen parking garage.

Made of reinforced concrete.

You could have easily converted it into a bunker.
 Quoting: G. House


Oops,

confused this with the 1993 bombing.

Sorry.
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Re: WTC fires in 1975, why didnt it pancake back then ?
The 1975
World Trade Center Fires..

6 floors around 11th floor burned intensely for 3-4 hours

heavy intence fires according to firemen,

question is why didn it fall/pancake back then with all the heavy building on top of these lower floors ;)

[link to bellaciao.org]

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Swampgasser


Totally different construction methods in the lower and basement floor compared to the upper floors.

If I remember correctly only one column was slightly damaged and most of the stuff in that area was reinforced concrete.
 Quoting: G. House


PAID GOVERNMENT SHILL SPEAKS OUT.


You should try to make it less obvious sir.
 Quoting: A Voice In The Wilderness


Nope,

confused this with the 1993 bombing,

my bad.
"Everybody lies."
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Re: WTC fires in 1975, why didnt it pancake back then ?
Hey did you know there is a "World Trade Centre New Orleans"? Yes, and it's in a building 33 storeys high lol

Clay Shaw was the man behind it. Claw Shaw, the only man convicted in the JFK Assassination

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Re: WTC fires in 1975, why didnt it pancake back then ?
The 1975
World Trade Center Fires..

6 floors around 11th floor burned intensely for 3-4 hours

heavy intence fires according to firemen,

question is why didn it fall/pancake back then with all the heavy building on top of these lower floors ;)

[link to bellaciao.org]

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Swampgasser


Totally different construction methods in the lower and basement floor compared to the upper floors.

If I remember correctly only one column was slightly damaged and most of the stuff in that area was reinforced concrete.
 Quoting: G. House


face palm ,,you are tripping on your own shoestrings ,
didnt you just say that the steel could possibly melt or weakened though the whole building thoughout in another thread ?

Those reinforced section you just mentioned would have not have totally disintegrated like it did in real life if your statement is right , first the beams and core would have been totally cool and rigid and have full strength beams and core in the complete section 10-15 floors below actual hit, if not even higher, it swould have slowed down a fall considerably, or even totally be halted halfway down ,
it was rigged no doubt
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Re: WTC fires in 1975, why didnt it pancake back then ?
The 1975
World Trade Center Fires..

6 floors around 11th floor burned intensely for 3-4 hours

heavy intence fires according to firemen,

question is why didn it fall/pancake back then with all the heavy building on top of these lower floors ;)

[link to bellaciao.org]

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Swampgasser


OK, I got the right incident now.

According to the article half the offices on the floor the fire started on were involved in the fire which tells me roughly half the floor was on fire.

Furthermore:

Only the 11th floor office area was burned, but extensive water damage occurred on the 9th and 10th floors, and smoke damage extended as far as the 15th floor, the spokesman said. Although there were no direct casualties, 28 of the 150 firemen called to the scene suffered minor injuries.

The article also says that the fires that started on other floor were small and easily contained and started because of wiring pass throughs.

So it wasn't much of a fire in scope.

An aircraft didn't run into the building and explode cutting 13 perimeter columns and 4 core columns.

Because of that floor joists did not lose their flame retardant.

And you do of course realize that ALL the columns are much thicker on the 11th floor as compared to the 80th?

Probably a bunch of other factors I haven't mentioned.
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Re: WTC fires in 1975, why didnt it pancake back then ?
...cutting 13 perimeter columns and 4 core columns.

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show me documented evidence of this claim...specifically the 4 core columns please...

waiting...
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WTC fires in 1975, why didnt it pancake back then ?

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You didn't have 45,000 gallons of JET FUEL in the fire.

clues

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Re: WTC fires in 1975, why didnt it pancake back then ?
The 1975
World Trade Center Fires..

6 floors around 11th floor burned intensely for 3-4 hours

heavy intence fires according to firemen,

question is why didn it fall/pancake back then with all the heavy building on top of these lower floors ;)

[link to bellaciao.org]

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Swampgasser


Totally different construction methods in the lower and basement floor compared to the upper floors.

If I remember correctly only one column was slightly damaged and most of the stuff in that area was reinforced concrete.
 Quoting: G. House


Somebody had to come on debunk this.
Is this guy one of they government fucks trying to debunk everything or what?
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Re: WTC fires in 1975, why didnt it pancake back then ?
Fie protection was still intact on the beams exposed to a mere fire.

For the airliner 'accident' the initial impact followed by the blast of the explosion of fuel 'blew off' much of the sprayer asbestos that was on the steel members.
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Re: WTC fires in 1975, why didnt it pancake back then ?
Fie protection was still intact on the beams exposed to a mere fire.

For the airliner 'accident' the initial impact followed by the blast of the explosion of fuel 'blew off' much of the sprayer asbestos that was on the steel members.
 Quoting: Dr. House


Only the sections surounding the actual impact and were the actual fuel explosion were taking place,

below that,, say 10 storys below it would not have been damaged, and yet no fires (even uncoated) that could have damaged the steel so much that it would give way below 10 storys ,,the beams would have been cool down there and strong enough to hold up the upper sections ,

how do you explain the waving people in the big hole ? how could they withstand the heat and melting beams you are talking about --as the heat still travel upwards,,,

it would have been extremely hot there in that hole if the fires were enough hot to sustain steel damage as you say , please tell me that
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Re: WTC fires in 1975, why didnt it pancake back then ?
Maybe the mass dampers didn't melt and fail to do their jobs.

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Re: WTC fires in 1975, why didnt it pancake back then ?
The explosives and thermite were not yet installed?
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silverstien didn't own it
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WTC fires in 1975, why didnt it pancake back then ?

 Quoting: Swampgasser


You didn't have 45,000 gallons of JET FUEL in the fire.

:clues:
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


Looks to me like most of that jet fuel burned outside of the building and not inside;

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Re: WTC fires in 1975, why didnt it pancake back then ?
Because israeli art students hadn't "decorated" the place yet
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Re: WTC fires in 1975, why didnt it pancake back then ?
Because when the plane hit the North Tower on 9/11, it blew the fireproofing off of the steal beams. The 1975 fire never blew the fireproofing off the beams. So it never collapsed because the beams were protected.
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Re: WTC fires in 1975, why didnt it pancake back then ?
Because there was no paper thin aluminum from an airplane to completely shred all the solid steel support columns in a symmetrical pattern leading to a symmetrical collapse.
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And no kerosene which burns at a temperature thats flat out melting lead to turn those beams into a soft putty...

besides..fires didnt burn as hot back in those days..but these modern fires are SO much hotter..technology ya know...
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Re: WTC fires in 1975, why didnt it pancake back then ?
The 1975
World Trade Center Fires..

6 floors around 11th floor burned intensely for 3-4 hours

heavy intence fires according to firemen,

question is why didn it fall/pancake back then with all the heavy building on top of these lower floors ;)

[link to bellaciao.org]

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Swampgasser


BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT HAD NOT PLACED THE EXPLOSIVES IN THE BUILDING YET. DUH.

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