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POST YOUR CHILD SUPPORT BULLSHIT STORIES...

 
Xiao en
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This is in Ohio

I have 2 daughters. the daughter I know about I have paid all child support owed to her and her mother thru the child support enforcement agency. She is now 20. Paid in full.

My second daughter however I found out I had when she was 16.5 years old thru a DNA test. She is now 22 or 23. After going to court and having witness testimony from the mother, this child and myself I was ordered to pay support back to birth.

The guidelines of the state say that if a child is older than 3 years of age at the time of the DNA testing that support starts at the time of testing.

This was in child support court when the child was 4 months old, 2 men were named as possible father. The case was dismissed as the mother was getting married and did not want to know and wanted no interference from either man.

The magistrate took it upon himself to make a judgement all the way back to birth, even though the mother, the child and myself all testified that there was no father child relationship which was the basis of his wise decision he said there was a father/child relationship.

Not only did this wise man make this order but he is also collecting on the states behalf because she drew welfare a few times. But seeing as how the court was unable to tell exactly how much of the welfare money was given to my daughter the whole welfare case and amount was assigned to my arrears to repay, this includes the mother, the step-father and also thier 3 children.

The Law of Latches was applied in this case to the mother as she never showed up to get a DNA test on the child so she can not collect support previous to the time of this hearing, however this amount is assinged and to be paid to my daughter. Neat way to get around a decision. How many fathers make payments directly to thier childs name or does it always go to the mother in her name??

I have since remarried and we have a 1 year old daughter in China, I went to the american embassy to report a birth abroad. While doing this my passport was siezed and I was given 14 days to exit the country. Because I have arrears in excess of 5,000

Because I am not paying this order I have lost my drivers liscense, my passport has been revoked and cancelled, I have been turned over to a Federal deadbeat dad program, and have warrants for my arrest.


How can one fight these people?? They are above the law and can not be sued, because this amount is arrears I can not even order a review of thier figures. I am bent over without vasaline and I am not liking it.

I am now paying both payments but writing "Paid under Protest" on the birth to 16.5 payment, Still they will not give my liscense back. They state I must open a bank account they can withdrawl from, my response is your finger is on the suspend button, and does it really matter how the payment is being made??

Who can I talk to??? I know I am being screwed.... the child support system knows they have screwed me..... Who can help?? Who has the authority to say this is wrong and it will be corrected??
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This is in Ohio

I have 2 daughters. the daughter I know about I have paid all child support owed to her and her mother thru the child support enforcement agency. She is now 20. Paid in full.

My second daughter however I found out I had when she was 16.5 years old thru a DNA test. She is now 22 or 23. After going to court and having witness testimony from the mother, this child and myself I was ordered to pay support back to birth.

The guidelines of the state say that if a child is older than 3 years of age at the time of the DNA testing that support starts at the time of testing.

This was in child support court when the child was 4 months old, 2 men were named as possible father. The case was dismissed as the mother was getting married and did not want to know and wanted no interference from either man.

The magistrate took it upon himself to make a judgement all the way back to birth, even though the mother, the child and myself all testified that there was no father child relationship which was the basis of his wise decision he said there was a father/child relationship.

Not only did this wise man make this order but he is also collecting on the states behalf because she drew welfare a few times. But seeing as how the court was unable to tell exactly how much of the welfare money was given to my daughter the whole welfare case and amount was assigned to my arrears to repay, this includes the mother, the step-father and also thier 3 children.

The Law of Latches was applied in this case to the mother as she never showed up to get a DNA test on the child so she can not collect support previous to the time of this hearing, however this amount is assinged and to be paid to my daughter. Neat way to get around a decision. How many fathers make payments directly to thier childs name or does it always go to the mother in her name??

I have since remarried and we have a 1 year old daughter in China, I went to the american embassy to report a birth abroad. While doing this my passport was siezed and I was given 14 days to exit the country. Because I have arrears in excess of 5,000

Because I am not paying this order I have lost my drivers liscense, my passport has been revoked and cancelled, I have been turned over to a Federal deadbeat dad program, and have warrants for my arrest.


How can one fight these people?? They are above the law and can not be sued, because this amount is arrears I can not even order a review of thier figures. I am bent over without vasaline and I am not liking it.

I am now paying both payments but writing "Paid under Protest" on the birth to 16.5 payment, Still they will not give my liscense back. They state I must open a bank account they can withdrawl from, my response is your finger is on the suspend button, and does it really matter how the payment is being made??

Who can I talk to??? I know I am being screwed.... the child support system knows they have screwed me..... Who can help?? Who has the authority to say this is wrong and it will be corrected??
 Quoting: Xiao en 1568741


Damn dude, I thought my situation was fucked up.

There is nothing you can do, they caught me in a catch 22 as well.
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They refused to lower my payments when I was on a severe disability.

Making nothing and forced to pay over 600 bucks a month.

Then, because of debt racking up they take my license which pulled the rug out from under at least 60% of the jobs I was available to perform.

Real fucking smart system.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2050028


That sucks...I mean it, but.....and dont take this the wrong way....they are your kids - and they have needs that dont stop just because your situation changes.
 Quoting: amywood71605


So take my license away so I can't get back and forth to work?

When was the last time you looked for a job, literally EVERY SINGLE AD, requires you to bring a valid drivers license with a clean background.

Lot's of people suffer with uncontrollable circumstances, that's life, you figure out a way.

What would you suggest I do?

Are you taking the side of the courts?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2050028

I really did not want you to take offense to what I said...although I knew you may..I'm just saying that....kids are expensive, and while it sucks that you're in that situation, it's not the kids' fault either and they still have needs. Do I think it's ok they take your license (and thus your way to get to work)? No..not at all. That part IS messed up.....but the kids' still have needs.....

I'll admit I do not know much about Child support (which is a blessing!), and not sure how it works. But, I can understand a person being expected to pay no matter what in a way...not saying it's "right" - just that I understand it I guess....

I am truly sympathetic to you though - the situation sucks, it really does, and I do wish you the best. You sound like a good father (not all are!!) and you're in a bad spot......hopefully things get better for you.
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They refused to lower my payments when I was on a severe disability.

Making nothing and forced to pay over 600 bucks a month.

Then, because of debt racking up they take my license which pulled the rug out from under at least 60% of the jobs I was available to perform.

Real fucking smart system.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2050028


That sucks...I mean it, but.....and dont take this the wrong way....they are your kids - and they have needs that dont stop just because your situation changes.
 Quoting: amywood71605


So take my license away so I can't get back and forth to work?

When was the last time you looked for a job, literally EVERY SINGLE AD, requires you to bring a valid drivers license with a clean background.

Lot's of people suffer with uncontrollable circumstances, that's life, you figure out a way.

What would you suggest I do?

Are you taking the side of the courts?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2050028

I really did not want you to take offense to what I said...although I knew you may..I'm just saying that....kids are expensive, and while it sucks that you're in that situation, it's not the kids' fault either and they still have needs. Do I think it's ok they take your license (and thus your way to get to work)? No..not at all. That part IS messed up.....but the kids' still have needs.....

I'll admit I do not know much about Child support (which is a blessing!), and not sure how it works. But, I can understand a person being expected to pay no matter what in a way...not saying it's "right" - just that I understand it I guess....

I am truly sympathetic to you though - the situation sucks, it really does, and I do wish you the best. You sound like a good father (not all are!!) and you're in a bad spot......hopefully things get better for you.
 Quoting: amywood71605


I wasn't asking them to clear away all payments, just for a moderation of the order, and a little compassion.

When it started I was making 18 bucks an hour, they adjust what you pay according to how much you earn, when I went out on disability they are required by law to readjust your payments according to your new earnings, which was nothing. They refused 3 times in total. I'm positive they are being instructed to make modifications difficult. I mentioned this to the judge and he even admitted that the mod dept was a mess, but there was nothing he could do, I had to keep trying.

I had to pay into it for 6 years as if I was still making 18 bucks an hour.
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They refused to lower my payments when I was on a severe disability.

Making nothing and forced to pay over 600 bucks a month.

Then, because of debt racking up they take my license which pulled the rug out from under at least 60% of the jobs I was available to perform.

Real fucking smart system.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2050028


That sucks...I mean it, but.....and dont take this the wrong way....they are your kids - and they have needs that dont stop just because your situation changes.
 Quoting: amywood71605


So take my license away so I can't get back and forth to work?

When was the last time you looked for a job, literally EVERY SINGLE AD, requires you to bring a valid drivers license with a clean background.

Lot's of people suffer with uncontrollable circumstances, that's life, you figure out a way.

What would you suggest I do?

Are you taking the side of the courts?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2050028

I really did not want you to take offense to what I said...although I knew you may..I'm just saying that....kids are expensive, and while it sucks that you're in that situation, it's not the kids' fault either and they still have needs. Do I think it's ok they take your license (and thus your way to get to work)? No..not at all. That part IS messed up.....but the kids' still have needs.....

I'll admit I do not know much about Child support (which is a blessing!), and not sure how it works. But, I can understand a person being expected to pay no matter what in a way...not saying it's "right" - just that I understand it I guess....

I am truly sympathetic to you though - the situation sucks, it really does, and I do wish you the best. You sound like a good father (not all are!!) and you're in a bad spot......hopefully things get better for you.
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And no offense taken...thanks for posting and your kind words.

hf
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My daughter is 22. At the time I left her father she was less than a year old. He worked under the table as a painter. I signed an agreement to only collect $199.00 per month from him and continued on with my life, attending college, getting married, creating a family, etc...

I gave him liberal visitation even though he never paid support. LOL, he used to tell me my husband and I made enough money, he didn't need to give us more.

The state of WA caught up with him so he left the state, moved to Hawaii, just dropped out of my daughters life.

He recently moved back. Still works under the table. He owes thousands because he never paid his measly $199 a month. It ticks him off most that he can't get a fishing license because of child support debt.

I had to work and attend college and raise my daughter with zero assistance from her biological father, you know, the one who helped create her.

You all can bitch all you want about having to help support your children and I'll tell you what, if you don't want to give their mother money then take fifty percent custody and support them that way. It sure would have been nice if her bio dad would have taken care of her half of the time while I was attending school and working. He rarely even stop by to see her.

Doesn't matter now. She's doing well, we're doing well. No hard feelings. Losers will do what they do.

And remember when you start bitching about how much you have to pay... childcare alone is $800.00 per month.
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$199... And he's complaing?

I have never gotten myself into the positiion of having to go down the road of child support, but $199 is good from what I understand.

My answer to not taking a chance at having a child with someone you dont plan spening your life with is simple... Abstanince.

No, you wont be the "cool guy" for getting laid every other hour, but also wont have the woes of broken household that your child has to grow up in.

"Cool People" can "have their fun"
It gets hard not to judge, until I look in the mirror.
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"18 years, 18 years
She got one of yo' kids, got you for 18 years
I know somebody payin' child support for one of his kids
His baby momma's car crib is bigger than his
You will see him on TV, any given Sunday
Win the Superbowl and drive off in a Hyundai
She was supposed to buy ya shorty Tyco with ya money
She went to the doctor got lipo with ya money
She walkin' around lookin' like Michael with ya money
Shoulda' got that insured, GEICO for ya moneeey(your money)
If you ain't no punk holla' we want pre-nup
WE WANT PRE-NUP!, yeah
It's something that you need to have
'Cause when she leave yo' ass she gon' leave with half
18 years, 18 years
And on her 18th birthday, he found out it wasn't his?"

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Let's talk about what the Bible says ... The man should always get the children ... The man is to provide for his wife and children ... However the wife is required to submit to her husband in all things and she is to show him high respect even to the point of calling him master. You see many of problems are because of the women failing to respect and obey her husband ... She commits rebellion ! In these situations the Bible clearly teaches the women is free to leave but she gets nothing and takes nothing with her ... No support, no alimony, no nothing but the clothing on her back, if she repents then the husband must take her back ... If not she is on her own. It's all in Gods word ... Jesus Christ is Lord!
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I have two children and I have to pay $641/month for Child Support in the state of Missouri. I have tried to fight how much I have to pay a month because on my salary its too much. I was paying $100 to $120 a week to her cash but to her it wasn't enough and filed the papers. Since I started paying I have lost my car (reposessed), apartment (evicted), and lost my second job because I did not have transportation. Now with bills piling up even higher its been really hard to get by. I don't even know what to do anymore and I barely get to see my kids. Does it get better? I hope it does. Maybe I can win the lottery.
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Let's talk about what the Bible says ... The man should always get the children ... The man is to provide for his wife and children ... However the wife is required to submit to her husband in all things and she is to show him high respect even to the point of calling him master. You see many of problems are because of the women failing to respect and obey her husband ... She commits rebellion ! In these situations the Bible clearly teaches the women is free to leave but she gets nothing and takes nothing with her ... No support, no alimony, no nothing but the clothing on her back, if she repents then the husband must take her back ... If not she is on her own. It's all in Gods word ... Jesus Christ is Lord!
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My daughter is 22. At the time I left her father she was less than a year old. He worked under the table as a painter. I signed an agreement to only collect $199.00 per month from him and continued on with my life, attending college, getting married, creating a family, etc...

I gave him liberal visitation even though he never paid support. LOL, he used to tell me my husband and I made enough money, he didn't need to give us more.

The state of WA caught up with him so he left the state, moved to Hawaii, just dropped out of my daughters life.

He recently moved back. Still works under the table. He owes thousands because he never paid his measly $199 a month. It ticks him off most that he can't get a fishing license because of child support debt.

I had to work and attend college and raise my daughter with zero assistance from her biological father, you know, the one who helped create her.

You all can bitch all you want about having to help support your children and I'll tell you what, if you don't want to give their mother money then take fifty percent custody and support them that way. It sure would have been nice if her bio dad would have taken care of her half of the time while I was attending school and working. He rarely even stop by to see her.

Doesn't matter now. She's doing well, we're doing well. No hard feelings. Losers will do what they do.

And remember when you start bitching about how much you have to pay... childcare alone is $800.00 per month.
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I spent $34,000 to fight for the right to be a part of my children's lives because my insane ex tried to keep them from me - I wanted a divorce, she didn't like that. I ended up with 6/14 nights - not 7+ because we had a child who was 6 months old by the time the custody evaluation was over. The evaluator said he "doubted mother's ability or desire" to encourage a relationship with me and my children. She is an alienator, proven by a custody evaluator.

I now have my children 46% of the time, but the crazy whore who makes $22k MORE than me still gets 49% of my paycheck. She makes $75k, and gets another $20k from me for 1 more night per two weeks. Meanwhile, I can barely eat or provide any quality of life for the children I have 6/14 nights per two weeks... you tell me how that's fucking "fair."

For every true worthless deadbeat dad, there are 10 dads who want to be a father and provide for their children - and another 10 crazed psycho bitches who get custody because they have a vagina. The family courts and convoluted, bullshit support system make it nearly impossible to do either. I had to spend $34k to be a dad and I'm still paying. I understand why dads bolt. The system makes it impossible for them to be present.
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My daughter is 22. At the time I left her father she was less than a year old. He worked under the table as a painter. I signed an agreement to only collect $199.00 per month from him and continued on with my life, attending college, getting married, creating a family, etc...

I gave him liberal visitation even though he never paid support. LOL, he used to tell me my husband and I made enough money, he didn't need to give us more.

The state of WA caught up with him so he left the state, moved to Hawaii, just dropped out of my daughters life.

He recently moved back. Still works under the table. He owes thousands because he never paid his measly $199 a month. It ticks him off most that he can't get a fishing license because of child support debt.

I had to work and attend college and raise my daughter with zero assistance from her biological father, you know, the one who helped create her.

You all can bitch all you want about having to help support your children and I'll tell you what, if you don't want to give their mother money then take fifty percent custody and support them that way. It sure would have been nice if her bio dad would have taken care of her half of the time while I was attending school and working. He rarely even stop by to see her.

Doesn't matter now. She's doing well, we're doing well. No hard feelings. Losers will do what they do.

And remember when you start bitching about how much you have to pay... childcare alone is $800.00 per month.
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bsflag

Nobody is bitching about paying to help raise their kids...it's the tactics and the trap once you're in the system that we are pissed off about.
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$800/mo is actually pretty cheap. I was paying $650/mo 10 years ago.
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...I have a beautiful daughter who calls me "dad"...and that, my friends, is RETARDED.
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Shes not your daughter.....
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It doesn't matter. If you've ever provided support for the child and didn't go after the deadbeat birth father, then by default, you are on the hook for child support should you and the biological mother get divorced. Sucks, but that's the way it is. Friend of mine raised his wife's daughter from the time she was 3 years old. They did not get divorced, but the kid ran away from home when she was 15, got into a lot of trouble while on the run, and was eventually placed into a group home because she was uncontrollable (and they say bipolar, but we all think that's just a cop out). They hit him and garnished his wages for child support to the state. Then, when she turned 18, the courts decided to keep her as a ward of the state for one more year and put her in a halfway house, which cost him yet another year of child support payments on her.
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children are expensive. if the other parent wants any rights over the child they have to help pay. $250 barely covers one week of daycare.

it should be 50/50 of all child expenses.. and if it was you'd be paying a fuck load more.


just saying.
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I agree. Mine bitches because he's supposed to pay $500/mo. Well, school/daycare alone costs that much. How about his share of her housing, utilities, food, clothing, medical, etc? He claims he should pay much less than that per month because he rarely sees her (which is by his own choice by the way.) He does not understand that TIME IS MONEY. If I'm putting in more than 50% of the time, then he should be putting in more than 50% of the costs. Most guys do not get this simple concept. How many days of work have they missed because of a sick child or doctor/dentist appointments. All of that adds up. He refuses to help with tuition because he claims he didn't agree to it (although, he signed the paperwork for the school). Yet, he sends his other child to private school without that child's mother even working. So, he's paying 100% of that kids tuition and none on the another? And, supporting a grown person who is perfectly capable of supporting herself. Don't ever tell my kid you can't afford something for her when you are solely supporting another child and a grown person.
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There is a stipulation in Ohio law that would allow him to pay even less BECAUSE he has another child to care for, as it should be, (who says one child of his is any more important than the other)

I could have taken advantage of that law and I did NOT.
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Same in TN. Without the 2nd child, he would be required to pay $850/mo (not counting tuition/daycare costs, which would have put him over $1000/mo in child support).
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Your story sounds a lot like mine, although I'm still in the middle of child support hell. Mine refused to pay court-ordered medical until I took him back to court. I'll never see all I should and putting him in jail is pointless as that just stops what little does trickle in. When he runs short one month, it is child support that does not get paid because child support isn't reported to the credit bureau. He is remarried and has a new kid. He is paying private school tuition for that one and college tuition for his new wife. New cars for both (she has NEVER worked), yet he claims not to be able to afford gas to come see his daughter ($25 round trip). It will never get better because he will never grow up and act as a parent. He picks her up for photo-ops or to visit his family at holidays, but that's about it. When he needs to impress someone and play the part of the good father, then he does. But, when it comes to the hard day-to-day raising of a child, he's absent.
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I can relate to both of you here. Whom you quoted and you, very much so. I just find it sad how the nickel and dime affect goes into play when the romance is over despite a life that requires responsibility on multiple levels for the proper raising of a child (by both parents, whether near or far) goes by the wayside. Raising a child isn't free and that isn't just a statement about money!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1001302


Exactly. Like I said in my 2nd post, time is money. If the dad's choose not to put in 50% of the time, then they should be putting in more than 50% of the money. You know, a sick child with a simple 3-day illness costs me $300 in missed work. Guys don't seem to get that.
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Did you think about that when you left?

Would you go back to him if things worked out?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2050028


No, the only thing I was thinking about when I left him was getting out of an abusive relationship that had turned into abuse of our daughter. The day he slammed me into the wall, started kicking me, and tried to toss the two of us down the stairs because she was teething and crying was the day I decided to leave. I have not looked back.
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My daughter is 22. At the time I left her father she was less than a year old. He worked under the table as a painter. I signed an agreement to only collect $199.00 per month from him and continued on with my life, attending college, getting married, creating a family, etc...

I gave him liberal visitation even though he never paid support. LOL, he used to tell me my husband and I made enough money, he didn't need to give us more.

The state of WA caught up with him so he left the state, moved to Hawaii, just dropped out of my daughters life.

He recently moved back. Still works under the table. He owes thousands because he never paid his measly $199 a month. It ticks him off most that he can't get a fishing license because of child support debt.

I had to work and attend college and raise my daughter with zero assistance from her biological father, you know, the one who helped create her.

You all can bitch all you want about having to help support your children and I'll tell you what, if you don't want to give their mother money then take fifty percent custody and support them that way. It sure would have been nice if her bio dad would have taken care of her half of the time while I was attending school and working. He rarely even stop by to see her.

Doesn't matter now. She's doing well, we're doing well. No hard feelings. Losers will do what they do.

And remember when you start bitching about how much you have to pay... childcare alone is $800.00 per month.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1554261


I can relate. I'm a single father, and I have custody of my son (SHE neglected him early on, and he's now 2). My ex-wife has a job, but brings in barely enough to allow her to keep herself afloat. I willingly pay spousal support, but I said I didn't want her to pay any child support to me, and took on all the debt and mortgage of the marriage.

I get the most praise for doing what I do and being a guy, but I respond with no child ever asked to be in this world. It's my responsibility to take care of what I helped create and I would gladly do it. He's the best thing that ever happened to me :)
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The woman leaves the man most the time,because she knows she can take care of the child alone.
Why? Because the state gives her all kinds of welfare and tax breaks.

Then she gets remarried , and has more kids by different men.She gets college grants etc.
The point of the system is they cant take care of themselves.Show me one woman that hasn't had government assistance of any kind.

Imprisonment for debt is constitutional.
Force payments are unconstitutional , otherwise all force debt payments are constitutional.
Force health care insurance is unconstitutional.

Also Your agreement is under whatever the law was at the time is was agreed.Most the times the court try and stick you with the new laws of probation and shit.Retroactive judgments and court rulings are unconstitutional.
They refuse a persons right to council.
They force you to court, and make you pay the court fees.
The woman never has to pay a dime towards her own case.
The hold you in jail until you come up with the bail money or arrears.
They dont give you a conventional bail.

The Whole System is a waste of tax payers money . It brings in no revenue , but has a whole system of cost built around it.
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The woman leaves the man most the time,because she knows she can take care of the child alone.
Why? Because the state gives her all kinds of welfare and tax breaks.

Then she gets remarried , and has more kids by different men.She gets college grants etc.
The point of the system is they cant take care of themselves.Show me one woman that hasn't had government assistance of any kind.

Imprisonment for debt is unconstitutional.
Force payments are unconstitutional , otherwise all force debt payments are constitutional.
Force health care insurance is unconstitutional.

Also Your agreement is under whatever the law was at the time is was agreed.Most the times the court try and stick you with the new laws of probation and shit.Retroactive judgments and court rulings are unconstitutional.
They refuse a persons right to council.
They force you to court, and make you pay the court fees.
The woman never has to pay a dime towards her own case.
The hold you in jail until you come up with the bail money or arrears.
They dont give you a conventional bail.

The Whole System is a waste of tax payers money . It brings in no revenue , but has a whole system of cost built around it.
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My daughter is 22. At the time I left her father she was less than a year old. He worked under the table as a painter. I signed an agreement to only collect $199.00 per month from him and continued on with my life, attending college, getting married, creating a family, etc...

I gave him liberal visitation even though he never paid support. LOL, he used to tell me my husband and I made enough money, he didn't need to give us more.

The state of WA caught up with him so he left the state, moved to Hawaii, just dropped out of my daughters life.

He recently moved back. Still works under the table. He owes thousands because he never paid his measly $199 a month. It ticks him off most that he can't get a fishing license because of child support debt.

I had to work and attend college and raise my daughter with zero assistance from her biological father, you know, the one who helped create her.

You all can bitch all you want about having to help support your children and I'll tell you what, if you don't want to give their mother money then take fifty percent custody and support them that way. It sure would have been nice if her bio dad would have taken care of her half of the time while I was attending school and working. He rarely even stop by to see her.

Doesn't matter now. She's doing well, we're doing well. No hard feelings. Losers will do what they do.

And remember when you start bitching about how much you have to pay... childcare alone is $800.00 per month.
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bsflag

Nobody is bitching about paying to help raise their kids...it's the tactics and the trap once you're in the system that we are pissed off about.
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There would be no tactics or traps if you paid your child support.
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My daughter is 22. At the time I left her father she was less than a year old. He worked under the table as a painter. I signed an agreement to only collect $199.00 per month from him and continued on with my life, attending college, getting married, creating a family, etc...

I gave him liberal visitation even though he never paid support. LOL, he used to tell me my husband and I made enough money, he didn't need to give us more.

The state of WA caught up with him so he left the state, moved to Hawaii, just dropped out of my daughters life.

He recently moved back. Still works under the table. He owes thousands because he never paid his measly $199 a month. It ticks him off most that he can't get a fishing license because of child support debt.

I had to work and attend college and raise my daughter with zero assistance from her biological father, you know, the one who helped create her.

You all can bitch all you want about having to help support your children and I'll tell you what, if you don't want to give their mother money then take fifty percent custody and support them that way. It sure would have been nice if her bio dad would have taken care of her half of the time while I was attending school and working. He rarely even stop by to see her.

Doesn't matter now. She's doing well, we're doing well. No hard feelings. Losers will do what they do.

And remember when you start bitching about how much you have to pay... childcare alone is $800.00 per month.
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bsflag

Nobody is bitching about paying to help raise their kids...it's the tactics and the trap once you're in the system that we are pissed off about.
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$800/mo is actually pretty cheap. I was paying $650/mo 10 years ago.
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wages hasn't change much have they? lol
10 years.
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Grow up and support the children you created (and no you dont get to gripe about it is crap because the other parent spends then money) the kid eats and needs housing and utilities) ---- they cost of sexual relations --- enjoy
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Its the society of feminism.Independent women that dont need a man , because the government is her sugar daddy.
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My daughter is 22. At the time I left her father she was less than a year old. He worked under the table as a painter. I signed an agreement to only collect $199.00 per month from him and continued on with my life, attending college, getting married, creating a family, etc...

I gave him liberal visitation even though he never paid support. LOL, he used to tell me my husband and I made enough money, he didn't need to give us more.

The state of WA caught up with him so he left the state, moved to Hawaii, just dropped out of my daughters life.

He recently moved back. Still works under the table. He owes thousands because he never paid his measly $199 a month. It ticks him off most that he can't get a fishing license because of child support debt.

I had to work and attend college and raise my daughter with zero assistance from her biological father, you know, the one who helped create her.

You all can bitch all you want about having to help support your children and I'll tell you what, if you don't want to give their mother money then take fifty percent custody and support them that way. It sure would have been nice if her bio dad would have taken care of her half of the time while I was attending school and working. He rarely even stop by to see her.

Doesn't matter now. She's doing well, we're doing well. No hard feelings. Losers will do what they do.

And remember when you start bitching about how much you have to pay... childcare alone is $800.00 per month.
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I spent $34,000 to fight for the right to be a part of my children's lives because my insane ex tried to keep them from me - I wanted a divorce, she didn't like that. I ended up with 6/14 nights - not 7+ because we had a child who was 6 months old by the time the custody evaluation was over. The evaluator said he "doubted mother's ability or desire" to encourage a relationship with me and my children. She is an alienator, proven by a custody evaluator.

I now have my children 46% of the time, but the crazy whore who makes $22k MORE than me still gets 49% of my paycheck. She makes $75k, and gets another $20k from me for 1 more night per two weeks. Meanwhile, I can barely eat or provide any quality of life for the children I have 6/14 nights per two weeks... you tell me how that's fucking "fair."

For every true worthless deadbeat dad, there are 10 dads who want to be a father and provide for their children - and another 10 crazed psycho bitches who get custody because they have a vagina. The family courts and convoluted, bullshit support system make it nearly impossible to do either. I had to spend $34k to be a dad and I'm still paying. I understand why dads bolt. The system makes it impossible for them to be present.
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I think it is possible that these crazy child support laws are in place to weaken the family and create a situation where women have a greater ability to remove herself from an inconvenient marriage or encourage men to avoid having children altogether. The tearing apart of the family has been going on for decades. Also, with these laws, men are much less likely to commit, marry, and have a family because of the consequences of divorce.

For the record, I'm a woman and mother. But the laws are not fair to men. Sure, there are some major deadbeats out there. But there are also a lot of good dads who love their children and experience hardships and no mercy when that happens. It's like "Sorry, too bad for you!"
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Grow up and support the children you created (and no you dont get to gripe about it is crap because the other parent spends then money) the kid eats and needs housing and utilities) ---- they cost of sexual relations --- enjoy
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The national debt is 15 trillion , we cant afford all these free bee government welfare system courts anymore.All this shit has to go.
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My daughter is 22. At the time I left her father she was less than a year old. He worked under the table as a painter. I signed an agreement to only collect $199.00 per month from him and continued on with my life, attending college, getting married, creating a family, etc...

I gave him liberal visitation even though he never paid support. LOL, he used to tell me my husband and I made enough money, he didn't need to give us more.

The state of WA caught up with him so he left the state, moved to Hawaii, just dropped out of my daughters life.

He recently moved back. Still works under the table. He owes thousands because he never paid his measly $199 a month. It ticks him off most that he can't get a fishing license because of child support debt.

I had to work and attend college and raise my daughter with zero assistance from her biological father, you know, the one who helped create her.

You all can bitch all you want about having to help support your children and I'll tell you what, if you don't want to give their mother money then take fifty percent custody and support them that way. It sure would have been nice if her bio dad would have taken care of her half of the time while I was attending school and working. He rarely even stop by to see her.

Doesn't matter now. She's doing well, we're doing well. No hard feelings. Losers will do what they do.

And remember when you start bitching about how much you have to pay... childcare alone is $800.00 per month.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1554261



I spent $34,000 to fight for the right to be a part of my children's lives because my insane ex tried to keep them from me - I wanted a divorce, she didn't like that. I ended up with 6/14 nights - not 7+ because we had a child who was 6 months old by the time the custody evaluation was over. The evaluator said he "doubted mother's ability or desire" to encourage a relationship with me and my children. She is an alienator, proven by a custody evaluator.

I now have my children 46% of the time, but the crazy whore who makes $22k MORE than me still gets 49% of my paycheck. She makes $75k, and gets another $20k from me for 1 more night per two weeks. Meanwhile, I can barely eat or provide any quality of life for the children I have 6/14 nights per two weeks... you tell me how that's fucking "fair."

For every true worthless deadbeat dad, there are 10 dads who want to be a father and provide for their children - and another 10 crazed psycho bitches who get custody because they have a vagina. The family courts and convoluted, bullshit support system make it nearly impossible to do either. I had to spend $34k to be a dad and I'm still paying. I understand why dads bolt. The system makes it impossible for them to be present.
 Quoting: The system is bullshit 2135672


I think it is possible that these crazy child support laws are in place to weaken the family and create a situation where women have a greater ability to remove herself from an inconvenient marriage or encourage men to avoid having children altogether. The tearing apart of the family has been going on for decades. Also, with these laws, men are much less likely to commit, marry, and have a family because of the consequences of divorce.

For the record, I'm a woman and mother. But the laws are not fair to men. Sure, there are some major deadbeats out there. But there are also a lot of good dads who love their children and experience hardships and no mercy when that happens. It's like "Sorry, too bad for you!"
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I agree ill never touch another woman again. The cost is way to high.They make it so all you do is work to pay for the one kid. You cant even afford to feed and cloth yourself. I wish i wouldn't have brought any kids into this fucked up world.I hate all women now ... and it is not because of me. It is also justifiable dislike.
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Re: POST YOUR CHILD SUPPORT BULLSHIT STORIES...
The woman leaves the man most the time,because she knows she can take care of the child alone.
Why? Because the state gives her all kinds of welfare and tax breaks.

Then she gets remarried , and has more kids by different men.She gets college grants etc.
The point of the system is they cant take care of themselves.Show me one woman that hasn't had government assistance of any kind.

Imprisonment for debt is constitutional.
Force payments are unconstitutional , otherwise all force debt payments are constitutional.
Force health care insurance is unconstitutional.

Also Your agreement is under whatever the law was at the time is was agreed.Most the times the court try and stick you with the new laws of probation and shit.Retroactive judgments and court rulings are unconstitutional.
They refuse a persons right to council.
They force you to court, and make you pay the court fees.
The woman never has to pay a dime towards her own case.
The hold you in jail until you come up with the bail money or arrears.
They dont give you a conventional bail.

The Whole System is a waste of tax payers money . It brings in no revenue , but has a whole system of cost built around it.
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Yo, home boy....there are hundreds of thousands of women that don't get government assistance. You need to take your head out of your ass..
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Grow up and support the children you created (and no you dont get to gripe about it is crap because the other parent spends then money) the kid eats and needs housing and utilities) ---- they cost of sexual relations --- enjoy
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The national debt is 15 trillion , we cant afford all these free bee government welfare system courts anymore.All this shit has to go.
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Exactly so get out there and support your own --


One more thing -- you all can gripe how you have been screwed by the system and damned by the man but the truth is

Child support and its calculations are not rocket science and as one who calculates it on a daily basis and see the people waiting for the child support that never comes --- I have little sympathy that thought their personal needs were greater than the child/children

Be a man, own up, admit you failed as a parent (also I bet those pissing and moaning didn't exercise visitation or but birthday/Christmas gifts for the kids that have now left them deeply injured with the burden of this debt)

AN NO FEMINISM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT --- It is called being a compassionate being that puts the needs of others ahead of their own --
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I agree ill never touch another woman again. The cost is way to high.They make it so all you do is work to pay for the one kid. You cant even afford to feed and cloth yourself. I wish i wouldn't have brought any kids into this fucked up world.I hate all women now ... and it is not because of me. It is also justifiable dislike.
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I am sorry that you feel that way, but you are right. Have you considered a vasectomy?
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This thread is true doom. Pin please.
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Well-here goes an interesting side.
I am a FEMALE...who pays child support. I was never married, had a kid with my ex boyfriend. After our daughter was a year old we broke up and he took her to Canton, Ohio to be with his mom. I worked full time but had house payment, car and another child. I couldnt afford to pay a night sitter or fight him, so I let him take her and for 6 months I drove up to Canton from Columbus every other weekend...brought her back down here and in a day, turned around and took her back (no he never met me half way). He got an apartment on top of a night club and was seeing a new chick. After 6 months, and saving some money back, I decided I was going to file for custody. I made the mistake of telling my ex that I had filed for custody in Franklin county and he got upset. While Franklin county (slow) was processing my request, His mother was deputized by Canton court system to personally deliver me his own custody paperwork that he filed immediately after I had notified him. Because He delivered the paperwork to me first, Ohio law made me take the case to Canton. (I had to drop and forfeit the money I had spent to file the paperwork here in Franklin County). I then had to drive up to Canton for all of our court hearings, I had to hire an attorney I knew nothing about and communicate with him long distance. Canton assigned a Guardian Ad Litem to the case who charged me an insane amount to drive from Canton to Columbus to see my house and talk to my family. She decided (even though my ex was living on top of a bar in a run down part of town) that it was best that my ex be the custodial parent. My attorney said that canton didnt like Columbus folks and recommend I just settle. The case went on for a year and my attorney fees were draining me (all the while his mother was paying for her sons attorney fees). I agreed to settle, and my ex decided to move back to columbus. We got split parenting up until our daughter reached school age...then I got cut back down to every other weekend and I WAS ORDERED TO PAY HIM.
He moved to Cbus after the case..and I started writing him checks for the amount of child support agreed by the court. I did this every two weeks for 5 years. When our daughter hit school age, he and his girlfriend said that my visiting of my daughter during the week was interrupting her school, so for a year I went back to just seeing her every other weekend. Well-I got fed up with this and last year decided to take him back to court. This is suppose to be joint custody (he with custodial rights). He gets welfare every month, lives in section 8 housing, and he just had his 3rd kid....I on the other hand have a Masters Degree and make good money. I have a great job and great medical, dental 401k benefits etc. I own my house, my other child goes to a private school, and I would consider myself middle class. He moved last year to a really really bad neighborhood with boarded up windows on the homes, etc.
Anyways-long story short...I took him back to court. I wanted to try to get custodial rights (so my daughter could go to a better school with her sister, etc) but my attorney (I hired a new one in Canton...and yes...I had to take this BACK to Canton even though we both live in cbus now)said that once a custodial is given rights that it is extremely difficult to try to take that away. He recommended I just try to get my visitation back to half time. So I did this...and BHAM! the OHIO courts said "oh no, no no, you owe child support for 5 plus years back." Even though I had cancelled checks and payments were proven to be regular intervals (bi-weekly) for the amount on the original custody paperwork. You know what they fucking said? they said it was a "Gift". Luckily-even though my ex (in my opinion) should not be custodial parent..w.e still have a decent relationship for the sake of our child. He agreed to write a letter saying I had paid and was current on my child support. If not for this, I would have lost everything. Wages and tax returns-garnished, drivers license-suspended, etc, etc, etc. So the letter came in to the courts last November an they adjusted the amount I owed. The case was finalized this past April, and I was granted more visitation. (still I am not the custodial/residential parent) and I still have to pay child support. Now-DURING this whole case (November to April) i CONTINUED to pay my ex the bi-weekly checks. In May I get the court notice to start with holding from my paychecks...ok-no problem...right???? WRONG!!!!!!!! NOW they stated I owed back child support from November to April in the thousands and they also placed an order to garnish my state income tax. So, again I called. They had on file 4 separate letters from my ex (the last one dated in April) saying I was current on payments. They said still this was not good enough and needed to re-open the case (another $90) and another letter.
While all this is going on...they are taking EXTRA out of my check to make up the "back" payment amount. So late this summer, my ex wrote yet ANOTHER letter (thank god he has been so honest), and I filed (and paid to re-open the case).

Just last week-I received the paper work showing the adjusted amounts to be taken out of my checks. I called Canton CS and asked..."what about the extra I have been paying to my ex between April and now?"

You know what they told me? They told me (LOL) I would have to pay to open the case again....take him back to court...and IF it was deemed he could pay it back...he would be ordered too...and if not...than SOL. They couldnt enforce that.

Tell me this is not BULLSHIT????????

I have my daughter half time. I buy ALL of her clothes, necessities, etc, because my ex is on welfare and has two other kids now and cant buy her anything but thrift store clothes. I pay HIM child support, I do not have any say on where she goes to school, where she can go to the doctor, etc. I have "visitation" rights even though this is "SPLIT" custody.

So- I have to say, that the injustices can swing the other gender.

This evil system has no biases, it has no prejudices. It will FUCK anyone over it can...given the right opportunity and circumstances.

I lost-

and there's not a damn thing I can do about it.

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