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.*** NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCES EXPLAINED ***Has anybody here had one?

 
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Too many conflicting theories.
Has anybody here ever experienced a NDE?
What do you think?




Near-death Experiences Explained

NDExperience

Brain waves surge moments before death.



"The idea of surviving clinical brain death is mythical," Watt said. "NDEs are sometimes reported after a person experiences some of the preliminary 'stages' of death -- for instance, when the heart stops beating for a while and the person is then revived. I think it's curious, however, that a survey has shown that 82 percent of individuals who have survived being actually near death do not report a near-death experience. That would seem to undermine the idea that these experiences give a glimpse into life after death."

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I died three times...the first when I was three. Nothing just nothing.
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A friend told me about hers in 1974. It had occurred several years earlier when she was 18. I had never heard about them before. She was very calm and truthful, as if she were telling me about a road trip. She has no doubt but that she experienced the afterlife and was sent back to finish her life contract with her parents.
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Has anybody here ever experienced a NDE?

I experienced a NDE when I was 13. I had an accident while on a cross country trip. New York to California. I died in the hospital and was saved. People don't talk about things like this because it is so personal.
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Has anybody here ever experienced a NDE?

I experienced a NDE when I was 13. I had an accident while on a cross country trip. New York to California. I died in the hospital and was saved. People don't talk about things like this because it is so personal.
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I respect that.
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I read the article and the only question I have is...what purpose would it serve for our brain to construct false images before we die? The guys who buy into this are also the ones that believe wholeheartedly in evolution (not that I'm cracking on evolution). What evolutionary purpose would it serve for our brains to make up images? As far as I know the dead don't reproduce so it has no survival value whatsoever. Science can't even prove consciousness resides in the brain.
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Yeah ,I'll tell you mine.

When I was about 9yrs,I was dosing in bed early morning.
As kids do I pushed my face into the cool gap between the wall and matress, dark and cool.
I can remember thinking 'you could die if you fall asleep'.

Next thing I was floating slowly upward, at the opposite side of the small room.

I was looking down, and saw myself in bed,'huh I must be dead then'
I can clearly remember.
In realisation, I shouted 'Nooooooo' and as I did , felt myself come quickly down and into my body, where I awoke.

Nde ? I don't know, but I remember as clear as today.
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p.s love the new pic andariel
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how did you know i was just thinking about this.
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I read the article and the only question I have is...what purpose would it serve for our brain to construct false images before we die? The guys who buy into this are also the ones that believe wholeheartedly in evolution (not that I'm cracking on evolution). What evolutionary purpose would it serve for our brains to make up images? As far as I know the dead don't reproduce so it has no survival value whatsoever. Science can't even prove consciousness resides in the brain.
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82 percent of individuals who have survived being actually near death do not report a near-death experience. That would seem to undermine the idea that these experiences give a glimpse into life after death."
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bsflag proves nothing not everyone talks of it
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if the brain is still active, then unconsiousness may appear as a dream. Once the brain is dead, then thoughts cease.

I have had NDE and wouldn't want another one :)

I became obsessed with it, trying to understand things I saw. Now I think, I saw 'my beliefs' so whatever you believe, think you will see.

Angels etc. The images are stored in the brain so that is what manifests.
We have read information that then projects itself in dreams or visions...

and it is cultural. If I were Indian, I may see Krishna.

I 'spoke' to God... I don't believe that to be true especially as God was a male and looked similar to me.

so my brain created the manifestation of my beliefs to suit my culture.

hope that makes sense?
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I read the article and the only question I have is...what purpose would it serve for our brain to construct false images before we die?
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But you don't die, that's the point I suspect.

It's a good question you're asking but as you said we don't know enough about the brain or the "mind" to be sure it doesn't serve some purpose... even if that purpose is some kind of "comfort" reflex to a mind that instinctively knows it's about to extinguish.
Mental endorphins if you will. *shrug*

Hell, we don't even know how to properly define the moment of death, NDE's may well be totally misnamed and the body/mind knows full well it is not about to die, even if medical science thinks it is.

"Clinically dead" is still a very vague term.

Bottom line, we don't really know either way... yet, but there is progress being made in technology that can display mental images (such as dreams etc) on a VDU.
(There was a thread about it the other day, I honestly thought it was a hoax the resolution was so impressive).
So maybe one day we'll get to watch somebody else's NDE.

Until then, all we have is the testimony of an unconscious person who is near death compared with physiological and neurological data recorded at the same time... Not exactly reliable or final.
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i thought this one was trippy...
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[link to www.near-death.com]


"The following is a "Life After Death" (LAD) experience of Louis Famoso in the year of Our Lord 1963, from a car accident.

...While drifting through ORION, I noticed two blazing celestial bodies racing parallel to its center, looking as twin arrows exiting from an archers bow and headed straight for the "Blue Marble" of home. Immediately, a vision of millions of people crying because of the devastation of portions of New York City came to me. I became aware of a strange feeling I had not known previously, and I thought that might be because this was the city I had grown up in. I saw a huge earthquake, a magnitude of 8.6 in someplace named EUREKA. A ham operator or radio announcer was directing thousands of people migrating from areas of frequent disasters to places of safety. A space station appeared to be falling from the heavens because of an internal explosion. Missiles were being simultaneously fired into space from several nations. I thought the light being had shown me all there was to see but these were different, stronger and there was no pre-screening as before. Gabriel appeared beside me, I thought because I had felt shaky, but it was to explain the now sprawling galactic view of my galaxy.

The sun was expanding and spewing off huge ecto-plasma balls, more then it has ever done in its past, and in the very direction the planets would orbit through. I could not take my eyes from the Earth and as I watched what effect these eruptions would have on the Earth.

A large mass passed me, larger then any of the planets known to me, and as it passes, I see the Earth wobble wildly as would a top toward the end of its spin. The rotation stopped and slowly started again but it was tilted now and I was drawn in closer like the zoom of a lens.

The ash clouds that had engulfed the Earth thinned, and like a tack welded piece of metal being dismantled, I could see the ocean bodies starting to rise - first the Pacific along the "Ring of Fire", then the others, synchronistical.

As the waters shifted upon the landmasses, the landmasses started to sink under the waters added pressure upon it. When the pressures equaled out, to the spin of the changing axis, the Earth no longer looked as it did moments before. It was newer, cleaner, more beautiful with darker greens and lighter blues. Some of the new landmasses looked similar to a few of the other planets I had recently visited with Michael.

People were upon this Earth and appeared happier and more content although seemingly living like the native populations of old.

Cities, built by the Ancient Ones, that were buried beneath the oceans, were now being populated by the surviving people in this new world. I saw tribes joining tribes and small nations forming, but it was what I didn't see that made my heart burst. There were no more wars. True peace and happiness had finally befallen on humankind.

Gabriel now tells me that this is his message that I must take back, to let others know that there is little to fear, for the Earth will go on forever as did all the planets I had visited. I am to tell the world to look to ORION and they will know when the new world will come upon them..."
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I had a near death experience about 22 years ago and it was not 'nothingness' that I experienced. I've never told anyone all about it, not even my family, as far as details go. It took me years to come to grip with it.Some parts of it were blocked from my memory but I do remember some very lucid moments of it. I will think about 'sharing' it on here. As someone said here, it is a very personal experience and I don't want to have to defend myself against any naysayers as it was real.
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i thought this one was trippy...
-------------------

[link to www.near-death.com]


"The following is a "Life After Death" (LAD) experience of Louis Famoso in the year of Our Lord 1963, from a car accident.

...While drifting through ORION, I noticed two blazing celestial bodies racing parallel to its center, looking as twin arrows exiting from an archers bow and headed straight for the "Blue Marble" of home. Immediately, a vision of millions of people crying because of the devastation of portions of New York City came to me. I became aware of a strange feeling I had not known previously, and I thought that might be because this was the city I had grown up in. I saw a huge earthquake, a magnitude of 8.6 in someplace named EUREKA. A ham operator or radio announcer was directing thousands of people migrating from areas of frequent disasters to places of safety. A space station appeared to be falling from the heavens because of an internal explosion. Missiles were being simultaneously fired into space from several nations. I thought the light being had shown me all there was to see but these were different, stronger and there was no pre-screening as before. Gabriel appeared beside me, I thought because I had felt shaky, but it was to explain the now sprawling galactic view of my galaxy.

The sun was expanding and spewing off huge ecto-plasma balls, more then it has ever done in its past, and in the very direction the planets would orbit through. I could not take my eyes from the Earth and as I watched what effect these eruptions would have on the Earth.

A large mass passed me, larger then any of the planets known to me, and as it passes, I see the Earth wobble wildly as would a top toward the end of its spin. The rotation stopped and slowly started again but it was tilted now and I was drawn in closer like the zoom of a lens.

The ash clouds that had engulfed the Earth thinned, and like a tack welded piece of metal being dismantled, I could see the ocean bodies starting to rise - first the Pacific along the "Ring of Fire", then the others, synchronistical.

As the waters shifted upon the landmasses, the landmasses started to sink under the waters added pressure upon it. When the pressures equaled out, to the spin of the changing axis, the Earth no longer looked as it did moments before. It was newer, cleaner, more beautiful with darker greens and lighter blues. Some of the new landmasses looked similar to a few of the other planets I had recently visited with Michael.

People were upon this Earth and appeared happier and more content although seemingly living like the native populations of old.

Cities, built by the Ancient Ones, that were buried beneath the oceans, were now being populated by the surviving people in this new world. I saw tribes joining tribes and small nations forming, but it was what I didn't see that made my heart burst. There were no more wars. True peace and happiness had finally befallen on humankind.

Gabriel now tells me that this is his message that I must take back, to let others know that there is little to fear, for the Earth will go on forever as did all the planets I had visited. I am to tell the world to look to ORION and they will know when the new world will come upon them..."
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trippy but BS

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Too many conflicting theories.
Has anybody here ever experienced a NDE?
What do you think?




Near-death Experiences Explained

:NDExperience:

Brain waves surge moments before death.



"The idea of surviving clinical brain death is mythical," Watt said. "NDEs are sometimes reported after a person experiences some of the preliminary 'stages' of death -- for instance, when the heart stops beating for a while and the person is then revived. I think it's curious, however, that a survey has shown that 82 percent of individuals who have survived being actually near death do not report a near-death experience. That would seem to undermine the idea that these experiences give a glimpse into life after death."

More here [link to news.discovery.com]
 Quoting: ~Andariel~


The question should be: why do we even exist? Followed by:

--Why is there consciousness?
--Why are WE conscious?
--If we exist now, for no logical reason, why shouldn't we exist elsewhere and at another, subsequent time?
--"We" being our individual consciousness.

Also, simply because individuals do not remember a NDE doesn't mean that they didn't have one or that death is the end of everything for us. Lack of memory of a NDE is probably the weakest argument made. Do you remember all of your dreams? Does that mean you don't exist while you're dreaming? Does that mean that you didn't dream? While consciousness after death is no dream, it's basically the same thing: reliant on memory. Generally, we aren't supposed to remember experiences before or after death. But it happens anyway.

The struggle of science to deny the undeniable never ends, it seems.

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