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IMPACT!! *** Sept.26 2011 at 12.36 UTC - CME causes massive ground current spike in Norway ***

 
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 Quoting: ~Andariel~


Thank you for calling our attention to this.. it is this sort of ground current spikes that are in fact a more realistic and likely result of massive CMEs, more probably and 'down to earth' than the much doom-said EMPs.
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That's the ignorant man's term.

In scientific terms, it simply means the sun is doing what is has been doing for roughly 4,500,000,000 years.

Admittedly, it sounds really amazing (and it is!), but there's no real need to worry in the slightest about how any of this affects you.
 Quoting: Botch


I know Layman, and he happens to be a pretty bright fellow. The ignorant man is the one who believes that the sun has been doing this for only 4.5 billion years and it can cause no harm.
 Quoting: danwa


Prove me wrong?
 Quoting: Botch


Just google gamma radiation.
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Ok, just did. Not sure why?

And when are we going to get back to you proving to me that the sun has caused any real devastation outside of some Jersey assholes dying of sun poisoning from laying on a beach 80 hours out of the week?
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Strangely no northern lights in Iceland ...
Anyone in northern lattitudes observing the same ?
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Maybe the geomagnetic field is so heavily compressed it cannot even muster the northern light display
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Strangely no northern lights in Iceland ...
Anyone in northern lattitudes observing the same ?
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Maybe the geomagnetic field is so heavily compressed it cannot even muster the northern light display
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Elenin alignment factors are propagating.
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Strangely no northern lights in Iceland ...
Anyone in northern lattitudes observing the same ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1554574


Maybe the geomagnetic field is so heavily compressed it cannot even muster the northern light display
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Elenin alignment factors are propagating.
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I just emailed my professor this particular line of discourse.

She gets so pissed when I play here, but man, we really get some great quotes to kick around the circle.

Lol.
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I know Layman, and he happens to be a pretty bright fellow. The ignorant man is the one who believes that the sun has been doing this for only 4.5 billion years and it can cause no harm.
 Quoting: danwa


Prove me wrong?
 Quoting: Botch


Just google gamma radiation.
 Quoting: danwa



Ok, just did. Not sure why?

And when are we going to get back to you proving to me that the sun has caused any real devastation outside of some Jersey assholes dying of sun poisoning from laying on a beach 80 hours out of the week?
 Quoting: Botch


Fact is we don't know. As you pointed out, the sun has been around for a very long time. Our known history isn't much more than a fraction of a fraction in geological time. We do know that the sun's radiation can be deadly without protection and that is the current dilemma. Our magnetic shield is in a weakened state and the sun is growing angry. What does that mean? Who knows. I, for one, see protective shields down and increased solar activity as somewhat concerning. It is better to be aware of the possibilities than to be ignorant of what is possible.
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Magnetosphere was warped so bad that some solar wind plasma actually hit the ground by following the Magnetic Lines.

Also Space Weather.com predicts more X-Flares in the coming week. (40%)


Sep 26 2011

:Xflare1:

:powergr3:


IMPACT: A coronal mass ejection (CME) hit Earth's magnetic field at approximately 12:15 UT on Sept. 26th. The impact caused significant ground currents in Norway. Also, the Goddard Space Weather Lab reports a "strong compression of Earth's magnetosphere. Simulations indicate that solar wind plasma [has penetrated] close to geosynchronous orbit starting at 13:00UT." Geosynchronous satellites could therefore be directly exposed to solar wind plasma and magnetic fields. Stay tuned for updates.

:Groundcurrents:

More here [link to spaceweather.com]
 Quoting: ~Andariel~


Good catch, this is dangerous to biologicals
Thread: Solar Radiation Leaking through a Failing Magnetosphere Likely Cause of Plant Blights and Animal Mass Deaths (Page 79)
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wow whats the bet that that has happened before, an event like that in the past might have fast tracked biological changes that resulted in humans being able to survive at those latitudes.

Just a thought.
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Like another poster said - what does it mean for the average guy who has no bunker?
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Prove me wrong?
 Quoting: Botch


Just google gamma radiation.
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Ok, just did. Not sure why?

And when are we going to get back to you proving to me that the sun has caused any real devastation outside of some Jersey assholes dying of sun poisoning from laying on a beach 80 hours out of the week?
 Quoting: Botch


Fact is we don't know. As you pointed out, the sun has been around for a very long time. Our known history isn't much more than a fraction of a fraction in geological time. We do know that the sun's radiation can be deadly without protection and that is the current dilemma. Our magnetic shield is in a weakened state and the sun is growing angry. What does that mean? Who knows. I, for one, see protective shields down and increased solar activity as somewhat concerning. It is better to be aware of the possibilities than to be ignorant of what is possible.
 Quoting: danwa


I don't even know where to start here.

You need to go back to the beginning. And by the beginning, we're talking about basic concepts. I just..... man, I just don't know if anyone can help you.

I really hope you dig deep and realize that talking right out of your ass is usually ok when you're around less educated friends, family, or colleagues, but you have to realize that people have actually taken the time to study this very issue. The same issue you are piecing together with logic (and not bad logic, but still wrong), has been the focus of study for many people.

Do you think if you were standing next to a professor of astronomy at ANY college, you would dare repeat the above quoted text?
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Re: IMPACT!! *** Sept.26 2011 at 12.36 UTC - CME causes massive ground current spike in Norway ***
Magnetosphere was warped so bad that some solar wind plasma actually hit the ground by following the Magnetic Lines.

Also Space Weather.com predicts more X-Flares in the coming week. (40%)


Sep 26 2011

:Xflare1:

:powergr3:


IMPACT: A coronal mass ejection (CME) hit Earth's magnetic field at approximately 12:15 UT on Sept. 26th. The impact caused significant ground currents in Norway. Also, the Goddard Space Weather Lab reports a "strong compression of Earth's magnetosphere. Simulations indicate that solar wind plasma [has penetrated] close to geosynchronous orbit starting at 13:00UT." Geosynchronous satellites could therefore be directly exposed to solar wind plasma and magnetic fields. Stay tuned for updates.

:Groundcurrents:

More here [link to spaceweather.com]
 Quoting: ~Andariel~


Thread: Help SAVE America PLEASE !!!!!!!
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Planetary K-index
Now: Kp= 1 quiet
24-hr max: Kp= 2 quiet

solar storm is now over no doom carry on people
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Magnetosphere was warped so bad that some solar wind plasma actually hit the ground by following the Magnetic Lines.

Also Space Weather.com predicts more X-Flares in the coming week. (40%)


Sep 26 2011

Xflare1

powergr3


IMPACT: A coronal mass ejection (CME) hit Earth's magnetic field at approximately 12:15 UT on Sept. 26th. The impact caused significant ground currents in Norway. Also, the Goddard Space Weather Lab reports a "strong compression of Earth's magnetosphere. Simulations indicate that solar wind plasma [has penetrated] close to geosynchronous orbit starting at 13:00UT." Geosynchronous satellites could therefore be directly exposed to solar wind plasma and magnetic fields. Stay tuned for updates.

Groundcurrents

More here [link to spaceweather.com]
 Quoting: ~Andariel~


Thread: Help SAVE America PLEASE !!!!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2092435


Hey asshole, one doom subject per thread.

This isn't your thread, the subject in the link is fucking retarded, and I hope you get a mild to medium toothache for being a world class douche.

Love,

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Planetary K-index
Now: Kp= 1 quiet
24-hr max: Kp= 2 quiet

solar storm is now over no doom carry on people
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Thanks Sherlock.

We were huddled together in abject fear here. No, really.
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Hey asshole, one doom subject per thread.

This isn't your thread, the subject in the link is fucking retarded, and I hope you get a mild to medium toothache for being a world class douche.

Love,

-Botch
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chuckle
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Just google gamma radiation.
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Ok, just did. Not sure why?

And when are we going to get back to you proving to me that the sun has caused any real devastation outside of some Jersey assholes dying of sun poisoning from laying on a beach 80 hours out of the week?
 Quoting: Botch


Fact is we don't know. As you pointed out, the sun has been around for a very long time. Our known history isn't much more than a fraction of a fraction in geological time. We do know that the sun's radiation can be deadly without protection and that is the current dilemma. Our magnetic shield is in a weakened state and the sun is growing angry. What does that mean? Who knows. I, for one, see protective shields down and increased solar activity as somewhat concerning. It is better to be aware of the possibilities than to be ignorant of what is possible.
 Quoting: danwa


I don't even know where to start here.

You need to go back to the beginning. And by the beginning, we're talking about basic concepts. I just..... man, I just don't know if anyone can help you.

I really hope you dig deep and realize that talking right out of your ass is usually ok when you're around less educated friends, family, or colleagues, but you have to realize that people have actually taken the time to study this very issue. The same issue you are piecing together with logic (and not bad logic, but still wrong), has been the focus of study for many people.

Do you think if you were standing next to a professor of astronomy at ANY college, you would dare repeat the above quoted text?
 Quoting: Botch


I have had that very conversation with more than one professor. Solar physics is a very young science. Galileo Galile was the first to study the sun from a true scientific perspective. That was in 1611. Since that time, we have made many discoveries and put forth numerous theories. It remains obvious to most that our 400 years of acquired knowledge is not even a drop in the bucket.
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Sorry for the offtopic !

For those who like the girl in Andariel's avatar, here is a larger pic:

[link to i54.tinypic.com]

Gorgeous gal ! :)
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Nice find, but be kind, okay?.. most of us knew she was using an avatar... none of the pics are of the same redhead. She does a very good job at getting very close with all of them, but of course they're not the same. And who cares? She, or he, or whoever, presents some damn fine info on a consistent basis. What her real identity is, and what she "really" looks like, is besides the point. She enjoys the comments about her looks, as we all would. Doesn't matter if the comments are based on cut and paste models one bit. What matters is that her looks get her great threads even more attention, and that's never a bad thing. Because her threads rock.
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I don't know what your thinking is...but, I want Andariel to be a fine looking woman! If I am going to be burnt to a crisp in some huge ass lightning-like spike...I at least want to see a fine looking MOTOS...as I burn :-)
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Damn. I live in Richmond, VA, and I wanted to see an aurora tonight. I've never seen one.
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Magnetosphere was warped so bad that some solar wind plasma actually hit the ground by following the Magnetic Lines.

Also Space Weather.com predicts more X-Flares in the coming week. (40%)


Sep 26 2011

:Xflare1:

:powergr3:


IMPACT: A coronal mass ejection (CME) hit Earth's magnetic field at approximately 12:15 UT on Sept. 26th. The impact caused significant ground currents in Norway. Also, the Goddard Space Weather Lab reports a "strong compression of Earth's magnetosphere. Simulations indicate that solar wind plasma [has penetrated] close to geosynchronous orbit starting at 13:00UT." Geosynchronous satellites could therefore be directly exposed to solar wind plasma and magnetic fields. Stay tuned for updates.

:Groundcurrents:

More here [link to spaceweather.com]
 Quoting: ~Andariel~


beautiful polar lights here in norway now :D :hf:
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Pictures! Your near Nokialand, come on!
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In layman's terms, it means if you are cooking on the grill tonight, you won't be needing any charcoal.
 Quoting: danwa


That's the ignorant man's term.

In scientific terms, it simply means the sun is doing what is has been doing for roughly 4,500,000,000 years.

Admittedly, it sounds really amazing (and it is!), but there's no real need to worry in the slightest about how any of this affects you.
 Quoting: Botch


Yes. The NOAA issued a "SEVERE" warning for no reason at all. I realize the sun goes through these stages, but this activity was not expected. It was expected to gradually get more intense until the peak of the cycle in 2013. Something has happened to trigger an abrupt change into activity. Solar flares do affect the earth in many ways.... especially direct impacts, which is the true fear, from the (and I'm quoting NASA) "Behemoth sunspot" that is "big and bad and turning our way". Kp7+ is rare even in active cycles. Two more notches and we would have world-wide power outages. Do some research. Saying something is normal for the past 4,500,000,000 years is kind of ridiculous in proving your point. Do you know what else is normal? Mass extinction events. Massive earthquakes, volcanoes, ice ages, stone ages, etc...
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Nice post. I agree with all of it.

Problem is this particular 'event' is absolutely nothing to worry about.

At all.




Whatsoever.
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Cheers! Let's hope the behemoth dries up.
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can you give me the link with the home page ?
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To be honest i have no idea what it is that we are looking at but thankyou for posting it i will ask a geeky friend of mine what it all means.
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In layman's terms, it means if you are cooking on the grill tonight, you won't be needing any charcoal.
 Quoting: danwa


That's the ignorant man's term.

In scientific terms, it simply means the sun is doing what is has been doing for roughly 4,500,000,000 years.

Admittedly, it sounds really amazing (and it is!), but there's no real need to worry in the slightest about how any of this affects you.
 Quoting: Botch


Yes. The NOAA issued a "SEVERE" warning for no reason at all. I realize the sun goes through these stages, but this activity was not expected. It was expected to gradually get more intense until the peak of the cycle in 2013. Something has happened to trigger an abrupt change into activity. Solar flares do affect the earth in many ways.... especially direct impacts, which is the true fear, from the (and I'm quoting NASA) "Behemoth sunspot" that is "big and bad and turning our way". Kp7+ is rare even in active cycles. Two more notches and we would have world-wide power outages. Do some research. Saying something is normal for the past 4,500,000,000 years is kind of ridiculous in proving your point. Do you know what else is normal? Mass extinction events. Massive earthquakes, volcanoes, ice ages, stone ages, etc...
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And thats what it is going to take before anyone in an official position admits there is a problem. And even then they wont tell you it is killing you
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Hmm... That was super interesting.

I was getting these crazy muscle spasms that have stopped for now.

Hope we get some more of that action.
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Sorry for the offtopic !

For those who like the girl in Andariel's avatar, here is a larger pic:

[link to i54.tinypic.com]

Gorgeous gal ! :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2075911




Nice find, but be kind, okay?.. most of us knew she was using an avatar... none of the pics are of the same redhead. She does a very good job at getting very close with all of them, but of course they're not the same. And who cares? She, or he, or whoever, presents some damn fine info on a consistent basis. What her real identity is, and what she "really" looks like, is besides the point. She enjoys the comments about her looks, as we all would. Doesn't matter if the comments are based on cut and paste models one bit. What matters is that her looks get her great threads even more attention, and that's never a bad thing. Because her threads rock.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1345090


Sorry, I think I might have started it with my "Holy Shinto" comment. It's her thread that counts, I follow it daily, and it helps keep me informed. Yet....Great Googamooga !!!

Andarial...Thanks for your vigilance and informative thread on this quite important topic !!!
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Meh, nothing exciting here. Heavy overcast weather, so no northern lights to look at.
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Damn. Limpan what about the northern lights? have they intensified? Maybe this can explain my bad headache?
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What about heart palpitations? Mine has been going haywire since this morning.
wtf
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Damn. Limpan what about the northern lights? have they intensified? Maybe this can explain my bad headache?
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What about heart palpitations? Mine has been going haywire since this morning.
wtf
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You need to stop looking at her avatar. My kundalini is off the charts right now. I'm taking a "time-out."
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Damn. Limpan what about the northern lights? have they intensified? Maybe this can explain my bad headache?
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What about heart palpitations? Mine has been going haywire since this morning.
wtf
 Quoting: North Central Ohio 1492030


You need to stop looking at her avatar. My kundalini is off the charts right now. I'm taking a "time-out."
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Whoops, back to the thread. What kind o SPF sunblock should I be using ????
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Damn. Limpan what about the northern lights? have they intensified? Maybe this can explain my bad headache?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2036969


What about heart palpitations? Mine has been going haywire since this morning.
wtf
 Quoting: North Central Ohio 1492030


You need to stop looking at her avatar. My kundalini is off the charts right now. I'm taking a "time-out."
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Not looking at any freaking avatar!
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Magnetosphere was warped so bad that some solar wind plasma actually hit the ground by following the Magnetic Lines.

Also Space Weather.com predicts more X-Flares in the coming week. (40%)


Sep 26 2011

:Xflare1:

:powergr3:


IMPACT: A coronal mass ejection (CME) hit Earth's magnetic field at approximately 12:15 UT on Sept. 26th. The impact caused significant ground currents in Norway. Also, the Goddard Space Weather Lab reports a "strong compression of Earth's magnetosphere. Simulations indicate that solar wind plasma [has penetrated] close to geosynchronous orbit starting at 13:00UT." Geosynchronous satellites could therefore be directly exposed to solar wind plasma and magnetic fields. Stay tuned for updates.

:Groundcurrents:

More here [link to spaceweather.com]
 Quoting: ~Andariel~


Is that avatar a photo of you???

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