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Taxpayers Paid For ‘Fast & Furious’

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"Not only did U.S. officials approve, allow and assist in the sale of more than 2,000 guns to the Sinaloa cartel -- the federal government used taxpayer money to buy semi-automatic weapons, sold them to criminals and then watched as the guns disappeared..."



Fast and Furious: Using Humans as Collateral Damage

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Tucson, Ariz.-The Canyon Del Oro High School auditorium in Tucson, Ariz. was packed full of at least 500 people last night as anxious tea party members waited to hear from ATF whistleblower Vince Cefalu, Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu and Arizona Rep. Paul Gosar about the Obama Justice Department’s Operation Fast and Furious. The theme of the night? Accountability.

“The only thing I have ever asked is to put all the cards on the table. Tell the truth,” ATF whistleblower Vince Cefalu said.

Cefalu was heavily involved in Operation Fast and Furious and has been an ATF agent for over 20 years. He has watched the bureau become a political entity rather than fulfilling its obligations as a law enforcement agency.




ATF Official Admits His 'Fast and Furious' Testimony 'Lacked Clarity'

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The head of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' office in Phoenix during the failed “Operation Fast and Furious” acknowledged Wednesday his earlier testimony to a House panel “lacked clarity” and completeness, and he offered new insight into his own mistakes in the investigation and allegations that officials ignored agents’ concerns.

“After taking time to reflect and review my testimony from the hearing on July 26, 2011, I realize I could have given clearer, more complete and more direct responses to some questions,” former Special Agent in Charge William Newell said in a 12-page document submitted to the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee and obtained by Fox News.




Fast and Furious guns tied to second violent crime

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In the second violent crime in this country connected with the ATF’s failed Fast and Furious program, two Arizona undercover police officers were allegedly assaulted last year when they attempted to stop two men in a stolen vehicle with two of the program's weapons in a confrontation south of Phoenix.




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MURDER -- DRUGS -- GUN-RUNNING -- BY THE BATF AND THEY ARE FAILING TO COME CLEAN IN HEARINGS IN WASHINGTON BY SENATOR CHARLES GRASSLEY....




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Fed gov wants this to go away so bad.
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Was their goal to disarm Americans? That's what Obama wants. The BATF is not needed. Get rid of them and save some momey. We have too many alphabet agencies.
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Was their goal to disarm Americans? That's what Obama wants. The BATF is not needed. Get rid of them and save some momey. We have too many alphabet agencies.
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Multiple goals...

a) making money off gun-running
b) making money off drug-running
c) making money off hired hits
d) affecting policy on 2nd amendment
e) affecting policy on Tea Party
f) affecting policy on Police militarization

etc.

These are criminals you've got running the government and Obama seems to be the Don.

WTF?
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Was their goal to disarm Americans? That's what Obama wants. The BATF is not needed. Get rid of them and save some momey. We have too many alphabet agencies.
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Their goal was to make money.
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For months I have been waiting for something to hit on this scandal. Holder is complicent and deliberately using the DOJ to place obstacle after obstacle in front of Issa and Grassley. The MSM is ignoring it. They recently moved Melson from ATF to give him cover. It all is indeed maddening!

ANY other President would have a special prosecutor appointed against him/her by now, and trials started. Calling Obama the Teflon President would be an understatement.

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Was their goal to disarm Americans? That's what Obama wants. The BATF is not needed. Get rid of them and save some momey. We have too many alphabet agencies.
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Their goal was to make money.
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There’s the money no doubt, but remember Hillary, and everyone making waves about two years ago about the number of weapons from America finding their way to Mexico? Even the Mexican government was on that meme. Then this rears its ugly head. We were being set up folks with a huge false flag to erode our second amendment rights here at home. Of that, I have NO DOUBT! In a meeting with Sarah Brady, President Obama urged patience as they were working on 'gun control" under the radar knowing full well the American people didn’t want it, and was a election loser.

Add to that the Small Arms Treaty sitting in the UN, and you'd have to be either a complete moran or an antigunner to not put 2 + 2 together.

Holder and Melson should be in an orange jumpsuit at a bare minimum! This wasn’t some botched burglary or outing of a "spy" (which Valerie Plame wasn’t)...there are dead people on both sides of the border, illegal, and treasonous!

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In one of the threads yesterday, someone from another country asked, "If the 2nd Amendment was written so that we the people could rise up against a tyrannical government, how much longer before you put it to use?" Damned good question IMHO.

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I've seen 1000 page threads on some of the most retarded stuff on here, but no one gives a shit about this?

Folks...the fraking government and banksters are stealing everything! If this is allowed to pass....bonnie bar the door.

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I've seen 1000 page threads on some of the most retarded stuff on here, but no one gives a shit about this?

Folks...the fraking government and banksters are stealing everything! If this is allowed to pass....bonnie bar the door.

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It's the Multinational Corporations, and the politics just seems to be another way to gain a rung up the ladder by writting yourself and friends in to some portion of the game.

We can't fix anything by repeating the same mistakes again and again. We have to try something different.

Ultimately, Multinational Corporations are owned by a few individuals.

Power Corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. That is the power and danger of fiat currency when it ultimately belongs to a private corporation with private owners whos' wealth creation is in fact a debt upon humanity.

As long as corporations can be held by a few, the threat to all humanity will continue for they know that by trickery the ability to distract and fool the monkeys with play and folly will suffice whilst they rewrite the laws and subvert the processes of justice and ultimately committ treason and theivery of the treasury of the people.
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In one of the threads yesterday, someone from another country asked, "If the 2nd Amendment was written so that we the people could rise up against a tyrannical government, how much longer before you put it to use?" Damned good question IMHO.
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the psychotronic control grid is in every NATO and NATO partner country. the fiber network is already in the bodies and brains of most of the people on the planet.
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It's not just happening in the US, it's happening everywhere. They are all at it.
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Complete silence on this from the left.
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In one of the threads yesterday, someone from another country asked, "If the 2nd Amendment was written so that we the people could rise up against a tyrannical government, how much longer before you put it to use?" Damned good question IMHO.
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Was their goal to disarm Americans? That's what Obama wants. The BATF is not needed. Get rid of them and save some momey. We have too many alphabet agencies.
 Quoting: indiandave




Multiple goals...

a) making money off gun-running
b) making money off drug-running
c) making money off hired hits
d) affecting policy on 2nd amendment
e) affecting policy on Tea Party
f) affecting policy on Police militarization

etc.

These are criminals you've got running the government and Obama seems to be the Don.

WTF?
 Quoting: Stars-and-Bars


And guess who americans will vote back in...
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It's not just happening in the US, it's happening everywhere. They are all at it.
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Yeah, they're trying to militarize and control the globe. And they're getting more and more desperate since it is not going too well.


This criminal shit SHOULD bring down a government! Just this incident alone.
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Was their goal to disarm Americans? That's what Obama wants. The BATF is not needed. Get rid of them and save some momey. We have too many alphabet agencies.
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Absolutely... just before this fiasco hit, they were saying that gun control was needed because all of the weapons in Mexico that originated in the USA.

This is not a well-intentioned operation gone wrong. This is a wrong operation gone public.

Too much floride in our water... too many subliminal messages being fed into our brains. American's should be mad as hell and doing something about it, but we sit on our asses and do nothing.
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It's not just happening in the US, it's happening everywhere. They are all at it.
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Yeah, they're trying to militarize and control the globe. And they're getting more and more desperate since it is not going too well.


This criminal shit SHOULD bring down a government! Just this incident alone.
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I fully agree.

Listen, Nixon was brought down by a special prosecutor who was investigating a breaking in at the Democratic National headquarters in the Watergate Hotel. Nobody was killed. No international smuggling of dope and weapons...

Obama has people killing, smuggling dope, selling weapons, and obstructing justice and still no special prosecutor appointed and really not much going on in the lamestream media.

WTF?

Nixon is arising from his grave screaming for fair treatment... "I AM NOT A CROOOK!!!!! BUT THAT BASTARD, OBAMA.... HE'S A GODDAMNED CRIMINAL!!!!!" Can't you just hear Nixon???




Come on!!! Dick needs a fair shake or Obama must burn.
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Complete silence on this from the left.
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The Left is intelligent enough to understand that this didn't start 3 years ago.

It's abominable...drug-running...funding "leftist or rightist" local lackeys for our unending Duke Nuke-em pleasure and fascination and exploding personal drug consumption.

It has been for decades...left, right, R, D, liberal, conservative.

In most of my decades of observing (as opposed to knee-jerking)politics, government, for ill or good, no matter who Mr. President is, they don't have time to approve every action of the dozens of alphabet federal bureaucracies.

That's kind of the definition of bureaucracy... it's meant to go on and on and on regardless of the politics of the President or even the dispensible Director of the Agency.

There are plenty of real issues Obama could be faulted on from our opposing right wing brethern. Stick to those.
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It's not just happening in the US, it's happening everywhere. They are all at it.
 Quoting: Dissonant cog

Yeah, they're trying to militarize and control the globe. And they're getting more and more desperate since it is not going too well.


This criminal shit SHOULD bring down a government! Just this incident alone.
 Quoting: Canadian Cold Front


I fully agree.

Listen, Nixon was brought down by a special prosecutor who was investigating a breaking in at the Democratic National headquarters in the Watergate Hotel. Nobody was killed. No international smuggling of dope and weapons...

Obama has people killing, smuggling dope, selling weapons, and obstructing justice and still no special prosecutor appointed and really not much going on in the lamestream media.

WTF?

Nixon is arising from his grave screaming for fair treatment... "I AM NOT A CROOOK!!!!! BUT THAT BASTARD, OBAMA.... HE'S A GODDAMNED CRIMINAL!!!!!" Can't you just hear Nixon???




Come on!!! Dick needs a fair shake or Obama must burn.
 Quoting: Stars-and-Bars


It's this tacky concept of PERJURY that gets people all upset. Further, asking other people under you to commit PERJURY is also frowned upon, but Ollie North fell on his sword.

Nixon was brought down because he LIED about a burglary.

Bill Clinton was almost brought down because he LIED about a blow job.

And usually the Mafia is brought down because of INCOME TAX EVASION...(cheating)

Put Obama under oath, question him, and if he LIES, off with his proverbial head.
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DOJ Slow to Answer Questions About Fast and Furious

Today, I sent a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder regarding recent resignations and reassignments at ATF following public concerns regarding a Phoenix-based program known as “Fast and Furious,” which intentionally allowed straw buyers for criminal organizations to purchase thousands of guns and traffic them across the U.S.-Mexico border.

I have sent two letters to the Justice Department seeking information regarding the botched Fast and Furious operation. My first letter, dated March 9, posed six questions to the Justice Department. Five of those questions remain unanswered. The Justice Department has yet to respond to my second letter dated May 3.

I would be remiss if I did not express my growing concern with the Department’s handling of the Fast and Furious investigation … The Department cannot pin this scandal on a few individuals and expect it to be forgotten. Fast and Furious was a result of systemic problems at the ATF. Congressional interest will continue until we fully understand who authorized the failed program and how a federal agency could allow such decision-making to occur.

Following his election in 2008, President Obama promised to usher in a new era of openness and transparency. Despite this promise, the Justice Department has been less than cooperative with this Committee’s requests. Moving forward, the Committee expects cooperation in uncovering the facts related to this operation.

According to the Center for Public Integrity, ATF allowed nearly 2,000 guns—valued at over one million dollars—to cross the border to known criminal organizations. Two of the guns from the program were found at the murder scene of Customs and Border Protection Agent Brian Terry in December.

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According to the Center for Public Integrity, ATF allowed nearly 2,000 guns—valued at over one million dollars—to cross the border to known criminal organizations. Two of the guns from the program were found at the murder scene of Customs and Border Protection Agent Brian Terry in December. [link to www.texasgopvote.com]
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A third gun was found at the scene and the FBI and ATF attempted a coverup of this fact:

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Clue #1 ... a government "operation" named after a vapid, slapstick movie. Probably Obama thought it up.

Clue #2 ... anyone over the age of 15 or so knows of the CONTRAS and the American Hero Oliver North. Probably Obama was still a teenager doing after-school community organizing.

The Contras drug runners oozed out for years, maybe even decades...MSM and all. He who falleth on the sword...and still geteth rich on the lecture circuit is a Republican Hero. It would be LOL if it weren't so FOS.

Maybe if Obama could locate, secure and decorate a handsome, white, Republican Marine mucking about...???

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EXTRA! October/November 1989
Censored News: Oliver North & Co. Banned from Costa Rica
Few individuals fascinate the US media like Ollie North. Few subjects grab more media attention than drugs. Few democracies win more media praise than Costa Rica. Put these three into a single scandal and it spells Front Page News, right? Wrong. What it spells is C-E-N-S-O-R-S-H-I-P.

In July, North and other major contragate figures were barred from Costa Rica. The order was issued by none other than Costa Rican President Oscar Arias. President Arias was acting on recommendations from a Costa Rican congressional commission investigating drug trafficking.

The commission concluded that the contra re-supply network in Costa Rica which North coordinated from the White House doubled as a drug smuggling operation.

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Because I'm a Liberal ... here's equal time


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In His Own Words ... anything sound familiar?

" After helping plan the U.S. raid on Muammar Qaddafi’s terrorist bases in Libya, North was targeted for assassination by Abu Nidal, the infamous terrorist found dead in Baghdad in August, 2002. President Ronald Reagan described him as “an American hero.”Since 2001, North has been the host of War Stories — the award-winning military documentary series on Fox News Channel. He has also authored eleven books — all of them New York Times bestsellers. His latest book, American Heroes, based on his extensive coverage of U.S. military units engaged in Afghanistan, Iraq and the Philippines was released in May 2008 and is yet another New York Times Best-Selling Book."
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