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IF JESUS WAS HERE IN PERSON, MOST CHRISTIANS WOULD HATE HIM

 
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Hmmmm, so anybody else meet any Avatars or Yogis or Messiahs or Gods in this lifetime? I mean "in the flesh"?

Tell me about it.

This is important. The mental gymnastics we go through with religion/spirituality might all amount to nothing. I was better off years ago before I tried to "find" anything related to spirit.

What if the search for God is the ultimate trap?

What if.....it is absolutely unnecessary?
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I would hope not...I hope I can feel him in my spirit.

I saw the first half of "The Encounter" on netflix and had to turn away, it just felt blasphemous. A short synopsis:

People stranded in diner with man who says he's Jesus. This man seems to know everyones life story and wants you to worship him.

I would have a hard time believing this, no matter what he said or did.
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My point is that EVEN IF you felt him in your spirit, and even if you technically "believed", my assertion is that the human mind is not equipped to deal with it.

You would recoil from the annoying behavior of other people around him. You would have doubts in the back of your mind haunting you.

Even if he healed your father, made great works of art, made you feel bliss and ecstasy in a descending pillar of light.....you would still not be able to DEAL with the REALITY of it.

So, this makes mere "belief" utterly useless in and of itself does it not?

That is my question.
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Hmmmm, so anybody else meet any Avatars or Yogis or Messiahs or Gods in this lifetime? I mean "in the flesh"?

Tell me about it.

This is important. The mental gymnastics we go through with religion/spirituality might all amount to nothing. I was better off years ago before I tried to "find" anything related to spirit.

What if the search for God is the ultimate trap?

What if.....it is absolutely unnecessary?
 Quoting: BossBattles

I know a Martial Arts Master who does things that blow my mind all the time! lol

....And as for searching for God: There's a saying; "For this is Life Eternal, that Ye might Know God." So yes, I think its important to ALWAYS search for that which is beyond what one thinks they know! :)
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We'd be stupid to accept any man as a god. You're right, since he's dead, it was easy for the Romans to make a religion out of a dead man. The man while alive would not have been considered a god.
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Contrary to your "retort" Jesus rose from the dead. The Romans did everything in their power to stop it. Murdered people who witnessed and claimed his resurrection.

The ONLY thing in your spew thats remotely correct is, yes, people will not concider a living man God.
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not just non-believers. christians would not accept a man as God if it were before their eyes. It doesn't work the way you imagine. You have to come face to face with a real human body, with imperfections. He wouldn't be glowing with light in a magical orb floating above you.

Could you follow a man as God if you had the chance? It's harder than you can imagine.
 Quoting: BossBattles

He wasn't what the jewish's had in mind, to save them. I think they expected macho Superman or terminator to wipe out their enemies. If he was here in person physically christians seeing a long haired, bearded, possibly not that clean looking tramp, yapping in parables, wouldn't want to follow him. would be like a homeless bum on the streets with alcohol and mental issues, rambling.
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Hmmmm, so anybody else meet any Avatars or Yogis or Messiahs or Gods in this lifetime? I mean "in the flesh"?

Tell me about it.

This is important. The mental gymnastics we go through with religion/spirituality might all amount to nothing. I was better off years ago before I tried to "find" anything related to spirit.

What if the search for God is the ultimate trap?

What if.....it is absolutely unnecessary?
 Quoting: BossBattles

I know a Martial Arts Master who does things that blow my mind all the time! lol

....And as for searching for God: There's a saying; "For this is Life Eternal, that Ye might Know God." So yes, I think its important to ALWAYS search for that which is beyond what one thinks they know! :)
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Yes, deep down I agree. My form of Seeking is more like Allowing....meaning that I am not assuming a position of lack, but a position wherein it is my duty to uncover and peel back every possible unknown that I possibly can.
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So, this makes mere "belief" utterly useless in and of itself does it not?

That is my question.
 Quoting: BossBattles:

Yes, "belief" has nothing to do with it......."KNOWING" however, is the goal!
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Who cares if they hate him. He is the lord. Not a weak little atheist or cowardly satanist. He comes with wrath and judgement. He doesn't come to cater to the ways of man. He brings the ways of God the father!

From his mouth came a sharp sword to strike down the nations. He will rule them with an iron rod. He will release the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty, like juice flowing from a winepress. Revelation 19:15

"I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword" (Gospel of Matthew 10:34)
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So, this makes mere "belief" utterly useless in and of itself does it not?

That is my question.
 Quoting: BossBattles:

Yes, "belief" has nothing to do with it......."KNOWING" however, is the goal!
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


....and sometimes that "knowing" is taboo and not acceptable to society!!!!

Btw, is your avatar from a KH game or FF? It looks so familiar......
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Yes, deep down I agree. My form of Seeking is more like Allowing....meaning that I am not assuming a position of lack, but a position wherein it is my duty to uncover and peel back every possible unknown that I possibly can.
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Then you will go far, my friend: For the "question" compels an "answer"! :)
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I have lots of experience with spiritual teachers, gurus, avatars and the like.
I've sat in Darshan with Adi Da Samraj, witness miraculous events and seen the cultic nature of human beings first hand.

I realized that most religious people are full of hot air. They talk a big game, quote their Bible endlessly, but if they were face to face with God in the form of a man, they would almost ALWAYS reject him.

It is too much to accept God in a human body. You only think accept Jesus because he is safely dead and gone, only to be imagined in your minds what he was like. If you saw what he was really like, you would be disgusted, offended, and it would be too much to deal with, and you would not follow him.

With this in mind, consider the nature of reality & spirituality, and question whether or not your beliefs are necessary and true like you assume.
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Bro this is sad true, you're right !!!hugs
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Btw, is your avatar from a KH game or FF? It looks so familiar......
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Riku, from KH(kingdom hearts).....:)
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He comes with wrath and judgement.
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No He doesn't! Your book has deceived you! :(
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He comes with wrath and judgement.
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No He doesn't! Your book has deceived you! :(
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The wrath is only for the wicked. It is in the bible the word of God.
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He comes with wrath and judgement.
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No He doesn't! Your book has deceived you! :(
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


Who has deceived you? If someone says you don't need the bible then they are the prophet of satan. It is automatically a lie and should be rejected utterly.
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He comes with wrath and judgement.
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No He doesn't! Your book has deceived you! :(
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


The wrath is only for the wicked. It is in the bible the word of God.
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Well of course its in your bible: For your bible is Lucifer's blue-print for Armageddon.......NOT Gods!

....And btw, GOD doesn't "wrath"!(regardless of what your bible tells you)!
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I would recommend reading "Not a Fan" by Kyle Idleman. Amazon sells it for around $10. It brings up a great question. In relation, the Bible is important to read as well.
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If someone says you don't need the bible then they are the prophet of satan. It is automatically a lie and should be rejected utterly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 968792:

....And who taught you THAT? Your bible??(well of course Lucifer would teach you that!)

God on the other hand, encourages us to read everything that enlightens the Soul....for the more we know, the better we can improve! :)
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In relation, the Bible is important to read as well.
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Yes, I encourage EVERYONE to read the bible: Especially if you want to know what Lucifer has in store for you!
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He comes with wrath and judgement.
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No He doesn't! Your book has deceived you! :(
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


The wrath is only for the wicked. It is in the bible the word of God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 968792

Well of course its in your bible: For your bible is Lucifer's blue-print for Armageddon.......NOT Gods!

....And btw, GOD doesn't "wrath"!(regardless of what your bible tells you)!
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


That's blasphemous. God does and will wrath or else there is no justice. God gives justice! God is not a weakling! The bible exposes Lucifer! It is only blueprints for Lucifer's fall. It's apparent you never read it. *sigh* Hopefully when you get older and mature in spirit you will realize your error and repent. May God forgive you but you are working to turn others away from the bible and leaving them open to demons. The word is the armor! How will those works look before God? The new age movement is a snare.
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Contrary to your "retort" Jesus rose from the dead. The Romans did everything in their power to stop it. Murdered people who witnessed and claimed his resurrection.

The ONLY thing in your spew thats remotely correct is, yes, people will not concider a living man God.
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Where is the proof of this? Or are you waging your credibility on the belief that a certain book is truthful? I wonder where the term correctness applies the best.
I throw idiots on the bbq...™

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You are about as far from the truth as can be ! thats why you are a EvilBugger
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We'd be stupid to accept any man as a god. You're right, since he's dead, it was easy for the Romans to make a religion out of a dead man. The man while alive would not have been considered a god.
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Others would not have considered him a god, but he himself would have and everyone else as well. Ponder there in my friend...
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I'm not trying to piss people off, but I'm trying to share something that billions of people never consider....
They imagine meeting Jesus in heaven, or in some mystical fashion. What they don't realize is that the true test of faith that they think would be easy as can be would be the most difficult thing in the world to do.

IF this is even remotely true, then religious people should really examine what they are believing to be the nature of existence, the nature of God itself.

There might be so much more to it than they could even think.
 Quoting: BossBattles


That's very true, it is usually pretty rare for a human to see Jesus right after death because he is usually on Salvington (spiritual capital of this galaxy). He'll visit the lower spheres occasionally, but that doesn't mean you'll see him when he does. Even as spirit, faith is required.
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very true..
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That's blasphemous. God does and will wrath or else there is no justice. God gives justice! God is not a weakling! The bible exposes Lucifer! It is only blueprints for Lucifer's fall. It's apparent you never read it. *sigh* Hopefully when you get older and mature in spirit you will realize your error and repent. May God forgive you but you are working to turn others away from the bible and leaving them open to demons. The word is the armor! How will those works look before God? The new age movement is a snare.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 968792:

1) How can I be "working to turn people away from the bible", when I have already stated that I encourage "EVERYONE to read it"?

2) Maybe YOUR God(bible God) is full of wrath.....but NOT mine! There can be no wrath where Love is!

3) I NEVER said God was a "weakling"!

4) I have read the bible several times!!!

5) Yes, the "new age" movement has many "snares".....but what I offer you has NOTHING to do with the New Age anything!!!

6) And finally: I have stood in the presents of my God......and there was NO Judgment placed upon me!(ONLY LOVE)!!!
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No He doesn't! Your book has deceived you! :(
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The wrath is only for the wicked. It is in the bible the word of God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 968792

Well of course its in your bible: For your bible is Lucifer's blue-print for Armageddon.......NOT Gods!

....And btw, GOD doesn't "wrath"!(regardless of what your bible tells you)!
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


That's blasphemous. God does and will wrath or else there is no justice. God gives justice! God is not a weakling! The bible exposes Lucifer! It is only blueprints for Lucifer's fall. It's apparent you never read it. *sigh* Hopefully when you get older and mature in spirit you will realize your error and repent. May God forgive you but you are working to turn others away from the bible and leaving them open to demons. The word is the armor! How will those works look before God? The new age movement is a snare.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 968792


Lucifer already fell, his rebellion was adjudicated in 1984. Have fun fearing what doesn't exist anymore. By the way, spirituality is based more on helping your fellow man than memorizing a book. Telling someone that they are doomed unless they follow your belief system doesn't count. Peace.
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I have lots of experience with spiritual teachers, gurus, avatars and the like.
I've sat in Darshan with Adi Da Samraj, witness miraculous events and seen the cultic nature of human beings first hand.

I realized that most religious people are full of hot air. They talk a big game, quote their Bible endlessly, but if they were face to face with God in the form of a man, they would almost ALWAYS reject him.

It is too much to accept God in a human body. You only think accept Jesus because he is safely dead and gone, only to be imagined in your minds what he was like. If you saw what he was really like, you would be disgusted, offended, and it would be too much to deal with, and you would not follow him.

With this in mind, consider the nature of reality & spirituality, and question whether or not your beliefs are necessary and true like you assume.
 Quoting: BossBattles


I agree. Well said.

The ego does not want to accept any other person as God or Existence.

This is because everybody secretly believes that they are God themselves, and only themselves. They may be conscious of this, but most are unconscious of this. They think "He thinks he is God?! Only I am God!

And you are right, it is very easy to accept a dead master like Jesus, Moses, Mohammad, Krishna, Buddha, etc. because the ego thinks, "Well they are dead, so again only I am God! They were God, but now only I am God!"

The funny thing is that everyone and everything is God, but the ego doesn't like that! Because if everyone and everything is God, then my enemy is also God right! And the guy who swore at me the other day is also God right? That is very difficult for the ego to accept. It means that we are all one, and there is no separation.

But ego loves separation, because it feeds on separation, without separation the ego cannot exist, it would be annihilated!

So, think again about Jesus' words, "If someone slaps you on the face, give them your other cheek." That means show God that you know that you are not separate from your enemy.

The enemy is within you, not without. The enemy is your ego, what separates you from God, from existence.
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We'd be stupid to accept any man as a god. You're right, since he's dead, it was easy for the Romans to make a religion out of a dead man. The man while alive would not have been considered a god.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2179116


Contrary to your "retort" Jesus rose from the dead. The Romans did everything in their power to stop it. Murdered people who witnessed and claimed his resurrection.

The ONLY thing in your spew thats remotely correct is, yes, people will not concider a living man God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1419030


not just non-believers. christians would not accept a man as God if it were before their eyes. It doesn't work the way you imagine. You have to come face to face with a real human body, with imperfections. He wouldn't be glowing with light in a magical orb floating above you.

Could you follow a man as God if you had the chance? It's harder than you can imagine.
 Quoting: BossBattles

He wasn't what the jewish's had in mind, to save them. I think they expected macho Superman or terminator to wipe out their enemies. If he was here in person physically christians seeing a long haired, bearded, possibly not that clean looking tramp, yapping in parables, wouldn't want to follow him. would be like a homeless bum on the streets with alcohol and mental issues, rambling.
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If he was here he probably wouldn't look the way you describe. He would look like a normal run of the mill person. The way he is described to have looked is the way other normal people looked in his day. Most men had long hair and wore simple cloaks.
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OP...I knew you'd have negative karma when I read your thread! A tolerent christian brother gave me my negative mark for daring to question his religion. Reason : Jesus is King. So I gave you good karma to balance the scales.

As far as gurus go, no, Ive never met one. However I've been to alot of differnt churches and met alot of different pastors, priests and whatnot and they always radiate this "holier than thou" vibe. Especially the really good charismatic preachers who are popular, they give off a "Rock Star" spirituality that is very eerie. Look at a service by John Hagee one of the many charismatic christian stars, he's creepy, weird, devilish, worships Israel and acts like he's one of the 12 disiples reincarnated.

In reality he's probably smokin crack, buggaring the choir boys and spending the millions of tax free money running around on nude beaches in France fondling his weiner. All the while begging little old ladies for their last dollar so they could go to heaven, with his blessing. Talk about bad karma!!

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That's blasphemous. God does and will wrath or else there is no justice. God gives justice! God is not a weakling! The bible exposes Lucifer! It is only blueprints for Lucifer's fall. It's apparent you never read it. *sigh* Hopefully when you get older and mature in spirit you will realize your error and repent. May God forgive you but you are working to turn others away from the bible and leaving them open to demons. The word is the armor! How will those works look before God? The new age movement is a snare.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 968792:

1) How can I be "working to turn people away from the bible", when I have already stated that I encourage "EVERYONE to read it"?

2) Maybe YOUR God(bible God) is full of wrath.....but NOT mine! There can be no wrath where Love is!

3) I NEVER said God was a "weakling"!

4) I have read the bible several times!!!

5) Yes, the "new age" movement has many "snares".....but what I offer you has NOTHING to do with the New Age anything!!!

6) And finally: I have stood in the presents of my God......and there was NO Judgment placed upon me!(ONLY LOVE)!!!
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


Don't worry, what these people think is God is only their own ego, or they can call it the Devil if they like. Devil and Ego are one and the same. They are illusions that have been designed to fool and enslave people, to keep them from God and their own Souls.

They all will awaken someday in some distant life maybe. But there is something called spiritual evolution and every soul is traversing it, whether they like it or not. Kicking and screaming if need be. LOL

The ego wants to keep people in fear, so it has created a God of fear. People lost in fear are very easy to control.
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The wrath is only for the wicked. It is in the bible the word of God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 968792

Well of course its in your bible: For your bible is Lucifer's blue-print for Armageddon.......NOT Gods!

....And btw, GOD doesn't "wrath"!(regardless of what your bible tells you)!
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


That's blasphemous. God does and will wrath or else there is no justice. God gives justice! God is not a weakling! The bible exposes Lucifer! It is only blueprints for Lucifer's fall. It's apparent you never read it. *sigh* Hopefully when you get older and mature in spirit you will realize your error and repent. May God forgive you but you are working to turn others away from the bible and leaving them open to demons. The word is the armor! How will those works look before God? The new age movement is a snare.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 968792


Lucifer already fell, his rebellion was adjudicated in 1984. Have fun fearing what doesn't exist anymore. By the way, spirituality is based more on helping your fellow man than memorizing a book. Telling someone that they are doomed unless they follow your belief system doesn't count. Peace.
 Quoting: overmind


Ya right. The worship of Lucifer is so prevalent today. It's really the dominant religion among corporations governments and mainstream religions. Learn the language of symbolism to understand what I am talking about.
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OP...I knew you'd have negative karma when I read your thread! A tolerent christian brother gave me my negative mark for daring to question his religion. Reason : Jesus is King. So I gave you good karma to balance the scales.

As far as gurus go, no, Ive never met one. However I've been to alot of differnt churches and met alot of different pastors, priests and whatnot and they always radiate this "holier than thou" vibe. Especially the really good charismatic preachers who are popular, they give off a "Rock Star" spirituality that is very eerie. Look at a service by John Hagee one of the many charismatic christian stars, he's creepy, weird, devilish, worships Israel and acts like he's one of the 12 disiples reincarnated.

In reality he's probably smokin crack, buggaring the choir boys and spending the millions of tax free money running around on nude beaches in France fondling his weiner. All the while begging little old ladies for their last dollar so they could go to heaven, with his blessing. Talk about bad karma!!

goodevil
 Quoting: Suffering Through Temptation


All karma is bad karma. Karma needs to be transcended. The only karma that is good karma is no karma.

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