NASA CONFIRMS ASTEROID IMPACT on 29th, 34 METRES! PIN THIS!

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Last Edited by 2Crazy4U on 09/28/2011 02:20 PM

The question is whether or not you could calculate the orbit independently using just the data given above. Dumping every known satellite into Stellarium and just ID'ing it that way is not the same as actually doing the calculations to determine its orbit using that data. Just for the sake of argument say it's not in the database (indeed using current TLE's to try to identify a satellite observation from almost a year ago would probably be somewhat tricky, though given Molniya's average orbital altitude, maybe you could get lucky), how would you determine the orbit using that data?

Last Edited by Astromut on 09/28/2011 02:24 PM

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No No, Elenin was based on numberology !!! damn read the other posts...or...thank God a comet was coming by at the same time an asteroid was going to strike the earth...ah,I feel better...and is the Pope flying this asteroid as the Anti-Christ returns to earth so he and the jewish people can join "them" and complete the police state of the NWO which is being ignored by the MSM...see clear as mud.

condition code does not equal torino scale.delete this crap.

According to the mindset of doomtards and conspiracy nuts, they can say: "That's obviously cover-up done by TPTB! NASA has the most advanced equipment so they must know the asteroids weeks or even months or years before! People live on their normal life and workdays blinded from truth. When they notice it, it's already too late and panicking would be useless. TPTB's job is to prevent panic outbreak in the public, to maintain the order of THEIR society and so the elites are always being notified first!"
To this point, I'm almost speechless and the only thing I can say is "You are stupid!!" and they still think they're more rational than me!

Last Edited by Yumgingdaango on 09/28/2011 02:38 PM

yea i'm mainly calling you dumb because you're wasting a great talent by saving the doomtards from their doom. I mean if you can actually calculate the orbit of celestial bodies and invest in telescopes capable of peering into deep space, then why stop there? I'll say that if I had what you do, and maybe one day I will when I can get my priorties straight, I would be going to school for astronomy and leave internet fame behind me. At first, you did come off as a bullshitter but you proved me wrong. Now for all of those calling me a troll, do trolls ever say they were wrong?

Astromut, I think you and another poster were busy fighting when I posted this.

I was joking about launching something out of my backyard.


Here is what I posted and I respect your knowledge. I hope you can answer these questions from me.

Thanks, Miggy


Please forgive me if this has already answered. I've got 9 pages of reading to do.

But when I looked at the chart on the first page I was FUMING about some things that stood out about this thing.

If anyone would be kind enough to address them I'd be much happier than I am as I type this:


Can someone please decipher these codes?

In looking at the chart here it looks like Elenin has already passed the earth in the last few days- cause for fireballs, maybe?

We were always told that it would be the debris in the tail that would get us.

Is tomorrow a big chunk of the tail?

What was that site we all kept viewing the flight of the downed NASA satellite? Anyone remember? The one that kept showing it orbiting even as NASA said it had already landed.

And if anyone can explain a couple of things on this site I would sincerely appreciate it.

I've highlighted the ones I'm curious about in red and asked the questions below.

Thank you, Miggy



Orbital Elements at Epoch 2455823.5 (2011-Sep-19.0) TDB
Reference: JPL 3 (heliocentric ecliptic J2000)
Element Value Uncertainty (1-sigma) Units
e .5246705025235431 0.0016424
a 1.790290393599156 0.0055539 AU
q .8509778331264152 0.00030154 AU
i 2.662059915863911 0.0069555 deg
node 178.4568098900887 0.00031607 deg
peri 244.8960320448201 0.003328 deg
M 338.6894241828488 0.11344 deg
tp 2455875.293627939745
(2011-Nov-09.79362794) 0.034708 JED
period 874.9508327833048
2.40 4.0714
0.01115 d
yr
n .4114516913536782 0.0019146 deg/d
Q 2.729602954071897 0.0084678 AU
Orbit Determination Parameters
# obs. used (total) 26
data-arc span 5 days
first obs. used 2011-09-18
last obs. used 2011-09-23
planetary ephem. DE405
SB-pert. ephem. SB405-CPV-2
condition code 8
fit RMS .49646
data source ORB
producer Otto Matic
solution date 2011-Sep-24 00:50:24

Additional Information
Earth MOID = .00736701 AU
T_jup = 3.904



1. Does the first/last object used seem odd? We didn't use it until 9/18/2011 and it's already coming back down?!

2. What does solution date mean? It occurred 1 day after the last obs was used. Is THAT when they knew it was coming down?

WHY THE HELL DIDN"T ANY OF US EVEN KNOW THIS THING WAS LAUNCHED IN THE FIRST PLACE TO BE USED LESS THAN A WEEK?!

3. Does anyone get the feeling that NASA is showing how pissed off they are that Obama gave the shuttle to the Russians and are laying off 10,000 workers- many who might have been angered enough to push a few buttons while packing up their offices?

4. WHO the HELL is this "producer" Otto Matic? I'm googling that one right now.

[link to ssd.jpl.nasa.gov]

I'll take that as a left handed compliment. Thanks. I enjoy being here, it often provides me an opportunity to improve my analytical skills in ways I normally wouldn't. It's actually made me better at astronomy.

I've taken some college classes on astronomy. I'm not interested in pursuing it as a career at the present time though. I do it strictly because I enjoy doing it, and that means I can decide for myself what I want to observe and when. I can focus on whatever I want to focus on, whether it's satellite observing, planetary, solar, deep space, whatever. Debunking things here occasionally inspires me to try something new as well, and I really enjoy applying my equipment in new ways.

Thank you, I appreciate that.

If you're asking if 2011 S05 is a part of Elenin's tail... no, it's not. The orbit is completely different from Elenin. Even if a fragment somehow managed to come all this way it would still have certain characteristics of its orbit that matched elenin. 2011 SO5's longitude of ascending node is almost 50 degrees different, the argument of perihelion is almost 100 degrees different, the eccentricity is about half of elenin's, the perihelion distance is almost twice elenin's, etc. Aside from both having relatively low inclinations, they share little in common, and the former is shared by many NEOs.

Again, "realtime tracking" sites only show the currently predicted position based on the orbital elements. They don't account for the effects of the atmosphere, so those elements are occasionally updated and the output from the site won't show when a satellite de-orbits. "Realtime tracking" really just means "realtime solution from the elements." Those solutions are not terribly accurate for satellites about to re-enter and won't show re-entry occur.

Huh? No, that's not odd. That just means it was recently discovered and there are very few observations made of it for orbital determination.

Again, it's not "coming down." The solution date is the date the orbit was last computed using the astrometric data submitted to the minor planet center.

It wasn't "launched." It's an asteroid.

That just means the orbit was automatically computed. Lots of asteroids and comets on JPL carry that designation for the same reason. It's a nerd joke.

Last Edited by Astromut on 09/28/2011 03:18 PM

Thanks, Astromut.

I really appreciated your explanations.



Miggy

1,785,600 is not close!

That's just a bald face lie. I just got off the phone with someone boarding a plane at DIA......all activity/traffic normal for midweek.

I read somewhere I am not sure if it was on here or somewhere else that this asteroid does not have an axis or something and that it wobbles. Don't know where I heard that but anybody ready for a NASA press confrence?

Maybe from these prophets?




For the stars of heaven and their constellations
Will not give their light;

The sun will be darkened in its going forth,

And the moon will not cause its light to shine.

~ Isaiah 13:10 (NKJV)





When I put out your light,
I will cover the heavens, and make its stars dark;

I will cover the sun with a cloud,
And the moon shall not give her light.

~ Ezekiel 32:7 (NKJV)






The earth quakes before them,
The heavens tremble;

The sun and moon grow dark,
And the stars diminish their brightness …

The sun shall be turned into darkness,
And the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the LORD.

~ Joel 2:10,31 (NKJV)






“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.” ~ Matthew 24:29 (NKJV)





I watched as the Lamb broke the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake. The sun became as dark as black cloth, and the moon became as red as blood. ~ Revelation 6:12 (NLT)





Note that the darkening of the sun & moon in Joel 2:10 and Revelation 6:12 occur in conjunction with a great earthquake; Isaiah 13:10 and Ezekiel 32:7 also state the stars & heavens will go dark. Along with this darkening, in Matthew 24:29 Jesus says “stars will fall from heaven,” which could indicate an intense meteor shower: dozens of ‘shooting stars’ falling every minute, thousands each hour.

actually it is
130138.13017441 miles


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Last Edited by Nisa on 09/28/2011 07:05 PM

The orbit condition code is a number which was designed by the Minor Planet Center (MPC) to give a rough scale for how well determined a main-belt asteroid orbit was. 0 implies the orbit is about as well determined as possible (i.e., it has been observed for many oppositions over many decades) and 9 implies the orbit is very uncertain (typical for newly discovered asteroids with only a few observations over a day or two). The MPC has a web-page describing this parameter:

[link to www.minorplanetcenter.net]

Best GLP Line EVER!!!!!!

How about you get muts phone # and give him a call so you can save us all the bitch talk on this thread!

What , that it is an uncertain orbit 9 being worst and you think this 8 is good?

When will it end?Where are you getting your information?Your acting like a terrorist! Back up your claim with credible evidence.

I looked at the JPL orbit and it makes me wonder if we have that asteriod that is always out in front of Earth's orbit what happens from Sept 30 through October 3 when (2011 SO5) gets in that asteriods path?

I've played lots of pool before but since (2011 SO5) is in a spin...no telling if they hit each other what could happen and we'd just be coming up behind the wreckage path.

Could be interesting, No?




Possible doom on?

omg again this
comets
asteroids lol guys...

we have our own impact...with obama, angela merkel wanna greece lands..whatever

this topic is sux asteroids comets..
we have it since the begin

That was the Trojan asteroid that I spoke of, but the people on this thread are so over Elenin they don't even want to think about or discuss space objects. It's okay it is a human condition.

there is no asteroid near earth on the 28th of september

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Maybe just smarter in the field of astronomy where others like myself are completely dumb. Yup I admit, I don't know the first thing about it apart from naming the planets in our solarsystem in the right order.
But I'm sure this person doesn'tknow how to bake one brilliant wellington. *shrug*
So I'm quite happy with the info he gives even tho I'm sure part of it is still lost on me, if this person ever needs a good recepy ... he can come talk to me ;p

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Equatorial region will be area of impact. This thing is right on the ecliptic.