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Notes from an "alternate universe": September 29 - October 28. (Do you know what happened at Farpoint Station?)

 
Chaol (OP)

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"The actual date of importance is September 29th"

Im still waiting op =/
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By the time you wrote this, it had already happened.
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No desire for doom here. Made the decision years ago to spend my life creating.... So I do indeed connect to the ideas you've presented in terms of the creative process becoming more direct and obvious.
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might HAVE found out ...more efficient THAN our current way...A language for a genius!!
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You are coming with me punk.

:bologna:
 Quoting: Daikirai


Would anyone have done differently if they were he, with the same life and experiences and circumstances, and experiencing the same conditions?
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Maybe the 'tremendous amount of energy' that came to Earth from the Sun on September 9th have something to do with the portal...
 Quoting: Gespenst


Yes, I was also trying to make a heart shape in the ionosphere that day but it didn't work out. I had to settle for a left ventricle instead.
 Quoting: Chaol


How much power do you have over this world and the people in it?
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[snips]

What I do understand is; that it is all a matter of perspective, but what I don't quite get is whether or not the language of EC is meant to be one you can use to communicate with other "conscious" beings "aware" of it or is it something only to be used "internally?"

[snips]
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


Hi.

A thought takes on a 'life of its own' when it is entertained in your mind.

The same thought, when expressed*, becomes something else that is limited by more common denominators.

So you have more freedom in expressing Ec for yourself and are more limited in the expression when expressing it to others so that they can understand (and better-relate to) you.

Hope this helps.

*Though even the thought is an expression.
 Quoting: Chaol


Thank you so much for the assistance. It does help. (Time to make flash cards)

Thanks again Chaol.
Nothing is irrelevant.
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe": September 29 - October 28. (Do you know what happened at Farpoint Station?)
Chaol, if I knew what 'western civilisation' was to be saved from it would help me answer the question.

If civilisation is to be saved from immense trauma and suffering, then I say yes, yes, then all or parts do need to be saved. My children are members of civilisation, how can I condemn them, and all their friends?
 Quoting: curve


From itself.

And there is the paradox.
 Quoting: Chaol


Ah. Then it shouldn't be "saved" then. Let it go. Something else will take its place. Whether that something is better or not, I won't say.
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What is your relationship to "western civ"? If the idea has a neg charge, only you can change that with perspective. Moreover, if you don't, that relationship will neg affect your life in all other relationships. Further more, even if western civ "goes away", it will still be an experiential reality via time travel or via something like an other worldly internet existing on another earth! Either way, to consider that something bad is gonna happen or should, reflects more on thar particular perspective rather than some coherent intelligible articulation on the nature of reality itself or the workings therein. Thank you all for the blessings you bring. Our efforts create it...

[snips]

 Quoting: Mathemagician 1472805


Hi.

It will cease to exist in any form, other than the new forms it has 'influenced'.

No time travel would be able to save it. No one would be able to experience it.

(It would be severely colored by your current perspective. Even your memory of the past is so colored.)
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September 29th the Earth was not shaken.

It clearly states in the OP that the Earth would be shaken.

Not the core, not a layer, but the EARTH would be shaken.

Says that right in the OP.

So here's a follow up to the shaken event that didn't occur....do beings in your alternative universe demonstrate bad character on as wide a scale as they do in this universe?

Just curious OP.

Thanks.


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Does any of this have anything to do with what's happening in Libya right now & also is it related to a place in greek mythology called the Isle of the Blest?
 Quoting: YOUCITY23abE 1554286


In a way, yes.

The forces of Western civilization are seeking to destroy the most democratic nation on Earth.

This is very symbolic.

Libya is a part of its own dream. It is thus destroying a future possibility, you could say. This "future" destruction is actually in the present. So a present value is being destroyed so we are seeing the effects of it.

In a way, we are destroying ourselves. No Chaol needed.
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Well, if it's a trial:

1. What are the charges?
2. Who's prosecuting? And will the defense be allowed reasonable time for discovery?
3. Who will be approving whatever defense that gets submitted to the judge?
4. Who's judging?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1554387


Unfortunately, these questions do not apply here because they are based on your own systems of law and justice.

The real question is one that we can each ask ourselves. Perhaps, "should we continue with the current perspective or go tabula rasa?"

Anything less than a blank slate would probably not be effective. It would be similar to what you find yourself in every few years when new leaders are 'elected'.

More of the same, but slightly different stage and actors.
 Quoting: Chaol


Sure. Let's press the reset button. I don't have anything to lose, although I tend to say that without thinking it through. But still, sure, let's try something new. Part of my mission is data collection. I like more data.
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe": September 29 - October 28. (Do you know what happened at Farpoint Station?)
I guess that depends on how you interpret the word "destruction," which Chaol has repeatedly used to describe the intended effect on Western civilization. Does destruction mean millions of members of this civilization dying or simply that the concept of the present form of civilization will cease to exist in the hearts and minds of its members and evolve into something different and hopefully better? That's the circumstance I'm personally anticipating.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2352005


Have you ever died in a dream?

How do you think the people you were dreaming with feel about it?

(Or were there people at all?)

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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe": September 29 - October 28. (Do you know what happened at Farpoint Station?)
September 29:

[link to www.01.ign.es]

Immense pressure, like a Bond, is not only building up tremendously but has "shaken loose" an important layer in the Earth's mantle in that region.

This bond (meaning 3) stretches all around the Earth, of course, so it is telling us that pressure in the mantle is at extreme levels and magma is continuing to build up at a rapid pace.
 Quoting: Chaol


Good call, and an impressive graph. You were absolutely right with your post on sept 29th.

I do not like to see "doom", at all. What I would like though is a significant change from the current state of this world, where greed and money make the rules.
That has to change, or destroyed.

Thanks again for sharing these thoughts with us chaol.
 Quoting: tuuuuur


Thanks.

Why need it change? What about it is not working?
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You may be correct Chaol, but why shall I be worried if it doesn't have any effect on overall humanity...I mean the "changes" and "Doom" part...
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Why do you think it would not have an effect?

"Because it is impossible"?
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You may be correct Chaol, but why shall I be worried if it doesn't have any effect on overall humanity...I mean the "changes" and "Doom" part...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2365557


Why do you think it would not have an effect?

"Because it is impossible"?
 Quoting: Chaol


Because 99.9% of world population dont know anything happened in Canary islands, so the "shake" was not for earth but for few people in those areas and fewer on GLP....

I would wait for a day more to see what happens on 1st october, I hope I am not disappointed....
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"Imagine that you are Captain Jean Luc Picard standing in front of Q at Farpoint Station, and humanity is being put on trial. (Except you are helping to explain why Western civilization should not be destroyed.)"


Thank you for this opportunity Chaol.

In front of a "Q", the destruction of "Western civilization" is unnecessary. A being of infinite, unrestricted and intelligent power could change the minds of all men over time (or instantly) before the need to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


Would not 'Q' want to see how they change their own minds? (If they are capable, surely they have not really exercised it for the betterment of their fellow human.)
 Quoting: Chaol


I think the short answer is no? A being like "Q" would already know exactly what decisions "they" would make. In this scenario "Q" is choosing to ask the question, I believe, in order to cause self-reflection to inspire a change.

Chaol, thank you so much for responding.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


True such a being would be able to figure out what would logically come next in a person's experience.

But why would that being even bother? It is more efficient (energy-wise, or perception-wise) to not figure it out but instead be surprised by it.

If self-reflection is the answer, then surely we'll be reflecting until the shine falls off the mirror.

Without something apparently outside of the self, what could possibly be seen (or known)?

Would not something vastly different be an impetus for change?

And if that something is vastly different, would not something be destroyed in its wake?

Does the change come from without?

Is drastic change organic or is it alien?

I propose that "alien changes" destroy, they do not fix.

Fixing it would be a waste of energy. And how long have we been trying to 'fix' what we cannot properly define?
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe": September 29 - October 28. (Do you know what happened at Farpoint Station?)
There is no "wrong direction", only perspectives. The 95% is the 5%. Mostly there is no difference. All thought is "positive", even so called "negative thinking", since all thought posits and is a movement in time away from what is.
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If there is only perspective, then what is moving away from what?
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CHAOL, I accidentally reported one of your threads for copy right violation.. I confused yours with another thread that was open in my computerscreen.

GLP has now unjustly shortened the text.

I'm terribly sorry!!

This was the thread: Thread: Neuronics: The future of humanity (Humanity without physicality)

I have saved the complete text so you can adjust it the way it was:


[snips]
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Hi.

Thanks for the text.

No worries :)
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might HAVE found out ...more efficient THAN our current way...A language for a genius!!
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You are coming with me punk.

:bologna:
 Quoting: Daikirai


Would anyone have done differently if they were he, with the same life and experiences and circumstances, and experiencing the same conditions?
 Quoting: Chaol


I guess that goes back to not understanding where someone is coming from. I wonder how much free will humanity has sometimes. Is everyone on autopilot? Hello. Is there anybody in there? Just nod if you can hear me. Is there anyone home?

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Maybe the 'tremendous amount of energy' that came to Earth from the Sun on September 9th have something to do with the portal...
 Quoting: Gespenst


Yes, I was also trying to make a heart shape in the ionosphere that day but it didn't work out. I had to settle for a left ventricle instead.
 Quoting: Chaol


How much power do you have over this world and the people in it?
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1528213


Hi.

It doesn't work that way.

It's like building a bridge and making it wide enough that, eventually, people use it.

Call it the internet of the dream world.

(Except that it is somewhat physical, and becoming more physical from your perspective as we go along. Soon you'll be able to build your own bridges and won't have a need for the mess I make.)
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September 29th the Earth was not shaken.

It clearly states in the OP that the Earth would be shaken.

Not the core, not a layer, but the EARTH would be shaken.

Says that right in the OP.

So here's a follow up to the shaken event that didn't occur....do beings in your alternative universe demonstrate bad character on as wide a scale as they do in this universe?

Just curious OP.

Thanks.


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 Quoting: BOWMAN


Hi. A valid question, of course.

Then we are certainly working from your definitions, aren't we?

If that is the case, then how would you define my "alternative universe"?
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Sure. Let's press the reset button. I don't have anything to lose, although I tend to say that without thinking it through. But still, sure, let's try something new. Part of my mission is data collection. I like more data.
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That's an interesting way of putting it ;)

Yes, we have more data!
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September 29th the Earth was not shaken.

It clearly states in the OP that the Earth would be shaken.

Not the core, not a layer, but the EARTH would be shaken.

Says that right in the OP.

So here's a follow up to the shaken event that didn't occur....do beings in your alternative universe demonstrate bad character on as wide a scale as they do in this universe?

Just curious OP.

Thanks.


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 Quoting: BOWMAN


Hi. A valid question, of course.

Then we are certainly working from your definitions, aren't we?

If that is the case, then how would you define my "alternative universe"?
 Quoting: Chaol


It's hard to fess up, I know. hugs

Thanks for your response OP.


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ec is some made up nonsense...dumb little lines and dots...I challenge anyone to use this crap to communicate.... ridiculous
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You're using it now.

You just don't realize it ;)

Would you like to?
 Quoting: Chaol


nope, I used the english language.
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You may be correct Chaol, but why shall I be worried if it doesn't have any effect on overall humanity...I mean the "changes" and "Doom" part...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2365557


Why do you think it would not have an effect?

"Because it is impossible"?
 Quoting: Chaol


Because 99.9% of world population dont know anything happened in Canary islands, so the "shake" was not for earth but for few people in those areas and fewer on GLP....

I would wait for a day more to see what happens on 1st october, I hope I am not disappointed....
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It doesn't matter what "99.9%" of the world's population knows about what happened.

(Things certainly have an effect regardless, don't they?)

You will, indeed, be disappointed. (What you are looking for is not on these threads, in books, or in Alex's pocket. Seek the origin of your existence through conversation with those nearest you to find what is unexpected and cleverly placed between the Lines.)

But isn't that part of the plan when some of us play checkers and some of us play chess?

We are always looking for more than what our imagination will allow. That is the nature of a ceaseless imagination.

No matter what happens we will not be satisfied, because the nature and meaning would be unacceptable to our perceptual capacity.
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Would anyone have done differently if they were he, with the same life and experiences and circumstances, and experiencing the same conditions?
 Quoting: Chaol


I guess that goes back to not understanding where someone is coming from. I wonder how much free will humanity has sometimes. Is everyone on autopilot? Hello. Is there anybody in there? Just nod if you can hear me. Is there anyone home?

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1554387


We experience in "surrounding" moments what is most relative and logical, all things considered.

We would do the same things because we would, in effect, be them.

We're not on autopilot, of course. You can decide whatever you want. Your will to choose is free.

But you are likely to choose what you have already chosen.

Your next moment is likely to look pretty much like those around it.
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True such a being would be able to figure out what would logically come next in a person's experience.

But why would that being even bother? It is more efficient (energy-wise, or perception-wise) to not figure it out but instead be surprised by it.

If self-reflection is the answer, then surely we'll be reflecting until the shine falls off the mirror.

Without something apparently outside of the self, what could possibly be seen (or known)?

Would not something vastly different be an impetus for change?

And if that something is vastly different, would not something be destroyed in its wake?

Does the change come from without?

Is drastic change organic or is it alien?

I propose that "alien changes" destroy, they do not fix.

Fixing it would be a waste of energy. And how long have we been trying to 'fix' what we cannot properly define?
 Quoting: Chaol


If we, like you said, automatically see the result of "1+1", then wouldn't a being of comparatively infinite intelligence automatically understand the inevitable?

I think I see where you're going with this and I believe you're right. I've heard that "If god knows and understands all that is and will be how can he experience or grow." We forget, so that we can have a perspective, because to know all that is or will be is to have no perspective.
Nothing is irrelevant.
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Hi. A valid question, of course.

Then we are certainly working from your definitions, aren't we?

If that is the case, then how would you define my "alternative universe"?
 Quoting: BOWMAN


It's hard to fess up, I know. hugs

Thanks for your response OP.


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Your demonstration of "good character" is impressive.

Perhaps I have a lot to learn yet.
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ec is some made up nonsense...dumb little lines and dots...I challenge anyone to use this crap to communicate.... ridiculous
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1543591


You're using it now.

You just don't realize it ;)

Would you like to?
 Quoting: Chaol


nope, I used the english language.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1543591


You also use something more fundamental.

Perception.

Could the manner in which you perceive be logical, and measurable? (If not to scientists today, to a sufficiently advanced civilization?)

If so, could the manner of perception not only be illustrated but used as a tool to 'manipulate' perceptions?
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You may be correct Chaol, but why shall I be worried if it doesn't have any effect on overall humanity...I mean the "changes" and "Doom" part...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2365557


Why do you think it would not have an effect?

"Because it is impossible"?
 Quoting: Chaol


Because 99.9% of world population dont know anything happened in Canary islands, so the "shake" was not for earth but for few people in those areas and fewer on GLP....

I would wait for a day more to see what happens on 1st october, I hope I am not disappointed....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2371450


It doesn't matter what "99.9%" of the world's population knows about what happened.

(Things certainly have an effect regardless, don't they?)

You will, indeed, be disappointed. (What you are looking for is not on these threads, in books, or in Alex's pocket. Seek the origin of your existence through conversation with those nearest you to find what is unexpected and cleverly placed between the Lines.)

But isn't that part of the plan when some of us play checkers and some of us play chess?

We are always looking for more than what our imagination will allow. That is the nature of a ceaseless imagination.

No matter what happens we will not be satisfied, because the nature and meaning would be unacceptable to our perceptual capacity.
 Quoting: Chaol


I am not looking for Doom per se, I am looking for tangible changes to the environment around me , which tells me that there is hope beyond...even it means a reset of sorts...

"Before Enlightenment chop wood carry water, after Enlightenment, chop wood carry water."-Zen saying

So the change (enlightenment?) will have something tangible?
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe": September 29 - October 28. (Do you know what happened at Farpoint Station?)
If we, like you said, automatically see the result of "1+1", then wouldn't a being of comparatively infinite intelligence automatically understand the inevitable?

I think I see where you're going with this and I believe you're right. I've heard that "If god knows and understands all that is and will be how can he experience or grow."
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


We define what those values are.

Those values would not be the same for the "alien" civilization.

(But we like to think that they have the same values, even similar physical and biological attributes as we.)

1+1 is most often irrelevant.

We could be asking, "What do they value, and why?" if we really want to understand such an intelligence.

Most of the intelligence of Earth we have not yet discovered.

We forget, so that we can have a perspective, because to know all that is or will be is to have no perspective.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


Yep. That'd be it.

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