Notes from an "alternate universe": September 29 - October 28. (Do you know what happened at Farpoint Station?)

Greetings, everyone.

It is interesting to read many of the comments on this thread in my absence for the past couple of days.

I do owe you an apology for the misdirection with the "October 1 event".

If you know what happened at Farpoint Station (Star Trek: TNG) then you could probably guess that "Q" already knew what would happen and did not plan to destroy humanity. But he wanted to see how humans would respond in a chaotic situation.

Some clarification...

Yes, I am who I say I am. I am quite different from what you're used to, from "another world", and here for my own reasons.

You have only to carefully read my words in order to know that each has a deeper meaning than what may be readily apparent.

People on my world are quite different than people here. We look pretty much the same but speak and do different things for different reasons than you would find here. Often times in this world, I may ask someone a question that I already know the answer to just to see their response, for example. Sometimes I will forget or 'un-know' things in order to have a normal conversation and enjoy life.

Learning and understanding others, I think their more natural and immediate response is more telling than the scripted verbiage that usually comes out of their mouths. Catching someone by surprise is one of the better ways to really know a person. An other way of really getting to know someone is by how they are when they are upset or angry. In this way, thoughts are more primal and less controlled.

The point of my "October 1" prediction exercise was to proclaim "the doom you were obviously expecting" and see how you respond.

Although most of you did, indeed, find "the doom you were obviously expecting" (which is 'nothing happening/GLP effect/BS' etc) what interested me most was how your interference in natural processes was displayed, as is usually the case with this world.

In a way, I saw the more natural side of you. (i.e., how is this particular person when it is important?)

However, I never planned any "doom" for October 1. Should anything harmful have happened that day a lot of persons would, indeed, be upset at me for it being such a coincidence and me maybe having something to do with it.

I would not want to be in that position.

Am I capable of knowing with 'will' occur? Yes.

Is your world and my world merging? Yes.

Do I know the innermost details of every person that posts in this forum? Yes. (Read my posts carefully and perhaps you will see a glimpse of it.)

Am I capable of creating any kind of destruction imaginable in this world? Yes.

Is everything that I wrote (aside from October 1) accurate? Yes.

Can I already do the things I say you will do one day? Yes.

Do I care to prove any of this? No.

The thing is, I don't have to prove it. I live it regardless of whether or not anyone is convinced.

If you are walking down the street and someone asks you if you can lift a rock on the ground, you would probably think twice about responding. Even fewer of you would prove that you could, even if you could.

Such powers do not need to be proven. But perhaps in our conversations and interactions we can help each other as friends.

I actually don't want to convince you that I am capable of something, even thought I knew exactly what would happen in Japan, with the Virginia earthquake, September 23, and with any event or process for the previous or next 20 years or so (less so the less relative the time conditions are).

If you've read my other thread you will know that I feel the message should be separated from the messenger with this (and other) material. I've previously mentioned that I'm not aiming for credibility. (Credibility is partially why your social and political systems seems to be a mess right now.)

Can you imagine how much of a prophet I would become if there was "doom" on October 1? My message would get lost in the noise.

Such experiences are unnecessary for me and detract from the core of the reason I care to post and respond on this forum (and create a website).

The question, "Why should Western civilization be saved?" is still an important question but it is important for you and those around you. Thank you all for your responses.

I will not answer questions about what will happen this year or next year in the same way that you would not pick up the rock to satisfy someone's curiosity. It is more important for you to figure it out for yourself that (as I continue to mention) when something happens is not important, but how and why are.

Really, it is interesting that most of the (vocal) persons in this forum want and desire "doom" and destruction, and get upset when a promised doom date passes with no such doom having taken place.

Were you eagerly awaiting something to happen? Were you looking forward or even a bit afraid of October 1? If so, why?

(What's interesting are all the people who get angry a few hours into the day, some even after a few minutes!)

I will not tell you what events will occur tomorrow or next week. I will give you some hints not because I want you to know but as part of a normal conversation. I will continue to speak with you as a friend in a two-way conversation, giving and taking as people normally do (rather than a one-way fresk show).

Most of what I know I am unable to explain to you here. I am illustrating the basics of some of what I know and understand. Telling you things directly is sometimes not possible, and sometimes not for the best (all things considered).

Regarding the question, "Why should Western civilization be saved?" no one talked about the natural course of events (or anything similar) in response. Most all of the responses were, unfortunately, focused more on what each person wanted for themselves.

And that is the point.

Western civilization, which influences the lives of billions of people in this world, interferes in the natural process much more than do other societies. For example, we have moved from working with our children to leaving them in the care of strangers or, oftentimes, themselves. Such things are called progress or necessities for the world we live in. We then take basic inventions, like light bulbs, and outlaw them and replace them with something toxic all while calling the replacement "green". (Yes, your "green" not only goes against what you would call nature but is actually killing you, and making others go hungry.)

I ask each of you to look at your own responses and ask the question, "Do I care more about how and why, or what and when?"

Western civilization is destroying itself. There is no need for me to interfere. My work is much different than what you'd expect and, although important, is not something that anyone in this world would understand (yet).

(I chose the nickname "Chaol" because it represents "chaos" which, as I've mentioned before, is an order that we do not yet understand.)

It would not be expected that most of you really know or understand what I am talking about, but I still welcome your response and conversation.

Your responses will illustrate to yourself how you really feel and think.

Greetings, everyone.

...The point of my "October 1" prediction exercise was to proclaim "the doom you were obviously expecting" and see how you respond...

...Really, it is interesting that most of the (vocal) persons in this forum want and desire "doom" and destruction, and get upset when a promised doom date passes with no such doom having taken place...

...Were you eagerly awaiting something to happen? Were you looking forward or even a bit afraid of October 1? If so, why?...

...(What's interesting are all the people who get angry a few hours into the day, some even after a few minutes!)
Your responses will illustrate to yourself how you really feel and think...

The short of it (as I know that most of you don't actually read something longer than 4 lines)...

Yes, it was a lesson. (And we all failed.)

And, yes, I am who I say I am (but have no need to prove it, much to your disappointment).

Friends?

Hi Chaol,

I have learned more from you than anyone else on GLP. Thank you for everything you give, and continue to give. I find your words authentic and genuine, and I am glad you are here with us :)

Hi Chaol, and welcome back

I honestly didn't really care about all this october 1 business because you've already helped me out more than I could have imagined a month or so ago. And it seems that I was already consciously using genius before i even read your material:D But you did help me put some pieces together so thank you for that.







I was actually wondering about that. Glad you've stated it yourself, lol:D

Chaol,

I assume that "passing" the lesson would have meant that we focused on the how and why. The truth is we just don't understand how and why.

As an example, I am still using my representation to experience a pro golf career (from other thread). The rules and interaction i am using include placing it beside me while I practice and moving it from one pocket in the golf bag to another (space). I continue to use the genius but have no clue how and why it will work. Sure the concept of a mental map makes sense but still falls short on how and why. I am hoping it's time for you to explain this much more in depth.

Thoht

That reminds me the "white lie" of Nancy Lieder in 2003.

Chaol,

Outside of preparing my family for the possibility of a megatsunami, experiencing some fear and praying that all those people would not be harmed, I also spread the message with friends, coworkers and family that I thought would listen. Now I just look like a paranoid doomer. The reason I mention this is I am still working towards using the genius and ecsys, with the goal of sharing it with others. I think that now I have lost all credibility in their eyes, so sharing any understanding and application of genius and ecsys is going to be very challenging (most probable based on them now thinking I am a nutter). Can you explain the how and why of that? Thanks.

Thoht

Greetings, everyone.

It is interesting to read many of the comments on this thread in my absence for the past couple of days.

I do owe you an apology for the misdirection with the "October 1 event".

If you know what happened at Farpoint Station (Star Trek: TNG) then you could probably guess that "Q" already knew what would happen and did not plan to destroy humanity. But he wanted to see how humans would respond in a chaotic situation.

Some clarification...

Yes, I am who I say I am. I am quite different from what you're used to, from "another world", and here for my own reasons.

You have only to carefully read my words in order to know that each has a deeper meaning than what may be readily apparent.

People on my world are quite different than people here. We look pretty much the same but speak and do different things for different reasons than you would find here. Often times in this world, I may ask someone a question that I already know the answer to just to see their response, for example. Sometimes I will forget or 'un-know' things in order to have a normal conversation and enjoy life.

Learning and understanding others, I think their more natural and immediate response is more telling than the scripted verbiage that usually comes out of their mouths. Catching someone by surprise is one of the better ways to really know a person. An other way of really getting to know someone is by how they are when they are upset or angry. In this way, thoughts are more primal and less controlled.

The point of my "October 1" prediction exercise was to proclaim "the doom you were obviously expecting" and see how you respond.

Although most of you did, indeed, find "the doom you were obviously expecting" (which is 'nothing happening/GLP effect/BS' etc) what interested me most was how your interference in natural processes was displayed, as is usually the case with this world.

In a way, I saw the more natural side of you. (i.e., how is this particular person when it is important?)

However, I never planned any "doom" for October 1. Should anything harmful have happened that day a lot of persons would, indeed, be upset at me for it being such a coincidence and me maybe having something to do with it.

I would not want to be in that position.

Am I capable of knowing with 'will' occur? Yes.

Is your world and my world merging? Yes.

Do I know the innermost details of every person that posts in this forum? Yes. (Read my posts carefully and perhaps you will see a glimpse of it.)

Am I capable of creating any kind of destruction imaginable in this world? Yes.

Is everything that I wrote (aside from October 1) accurate? Yes.

Can I already do the things I say you will do one day? Yes.

Do I care to prove any of this? No.

The thing is, I don't have to prove it. I live it regardless of whether or not anyone is convinced.

If you are walking down the street and someone asks you if you can lift a rock on the ground, you would probably think twice about responding. Even fewer of you would prove that you could, even if you could.

Such powers do not need to be proven. But perhaps in our conversations and interactions we can help each other as friends.

I actually don't want to convince you that I am capable of something, even thought I knew exactly what would happen in Japan, with the Virginia earthquake, September 23, and with any event or process for the previous or next 20 years or so (less so the less relative the time conditions are).

If you've read my other thread you will know that I feel the message should be separated from the messenger with this (and other) material. I've previously mentioned that I'm not aiming for credibility. (Credibility is partially why your social and political systems seems to be a mess right now.)

Can you imagine how much of a prophet I would become if there was "doom" on October 1? My message would get lost in the noise.

Such experiences are unnecessary for me and detract from the core of the reason I care to post and respond on this forum (and create a website).

The question, "Why should Western civilization be saved?" is still an important question but it is important for you and those around you. Thank you all for your responses.

I will not answer questions about what will happen this year or next year in the same way that you would not pick up the rock to satisfy someone's curiosity. It is more important for you to figure it out for yourself that (as I continue to mention) when something happens is not important, but how and why are.

Really, it is interesting that most of the (vocal) persons in this forum want and desire "doom" and destruction, and get upset when a promised doom date passes with no such doom having taken place.

Were you eagerly awaiting something to happen? Were you looking forward or even a bit afraid of October 1? If so, why?

(What's interesting are all the people who get angry a few hours into the day, some even after a few minutes!)

I will not tell you what events will occur tomorrow or next week. I will give you some hints not because I want you to know but as part of a normal conversation. I will continue to speak with you as a friend in a two-way conversation, giving and taking as people normally do (rather than a one-way fresk show).

Most of what I know I am unable to explain to you here. I am illustrating the basics of some of what I know and understand. Telling you things directly is sometimes not possible, and sometimes not for the best (all things considered).

Regarding the question, "Why should Western civilization be saved?" no one talked about the natural course of events (or anything similar) in response. Most all of the responses were, unfortunately, focused more on what each person wanted for themselves.

And that is the point.

Western civilization, which influences the lives of billions of people in this world, interferes in the natural process much more than do other societies. For example, we have moved from working with our children to leaving them in the care of strangers or, oftentimes, themselves. Such things are called progress or necessities for the world we live in. We then take basic inventions, like light bulbs, and outlaw them and replace them with something toxic all while calling the replacement "green". (Yes, your "green" not only goes against what you would call nature but is actually killing you, and making others go hungry.)

I ask each of you to look at your own responses and ask the question, "Do I care more about how and why, or what and when?"

Western civilization is destroying itself. There is no need for me to interfere. My work is much different than what you'd expect and, although important, is not something that anyone in this world would understand (yet).

(I chose the nickname "Chaol" because it represents "chaos" which, as I've mentioned before, is an order that we do not yet understand.)

It would not be expected that most of you really know or understand what I am talking about, but I still welcome your response and conversation.

Your responses will illustrate to yourself how you really feel and think.

Coincidentally, yesterday, in the very early hours of October 1st, I spent 4 hours explaining EC, neuronicons and the genius to my brothers and two good friends. After I had the conversation with them, by answering their questions, I believe I actually understand. Thank you Choal, again. I wish ya'd let some of us shoot you an email to get more coaching.


I cannot thank you enough for helping me(us) bridge the gaps in our understandings of reality. Thanks again for helping me(us) to understand.

Good to have you back Chaol.


You include yourself in the failing of this lesson, could you please expand on that?

How do we fail a lesson? Don't we fail a test? (in asking that I am not being pedantic)


Knowing us all as intimately as you do, none of our reactions would have been unexpected to you. So essentially you were just holding a mirror, giving us an opportunity to reflect upon ourselves. Is that all?

Are you recruiting people? Putting feelers out for a certain type? For what purpose I havn't a clue, but I felt compelled to ask the question.

Are there to be further installments on this lesson? I am not exactly sure what we have learned as yet. I know we are all capable of great change within ourselves....was this intended as a potentially enlightening moment for some/all? If so, was it a success?


I would love to explore the how and the why of all this with yourself Chaol, and the other participants.

What if the "evil" ruling "elite" are "us?"

These "evils" are "external" manifestations of our "internal" world, our perspective? If you consider this, then there is no such thing as "unfair."

We can complain, point fingers, and blame others for the "problems" (challenges) we have in our individual lives (perspective) and the world (also perspective)... or we can accept it is as it is.

Once we accept it and set it to a symbol, we can consider the logic (structure) associated with it, consider the possibility (options we have to change it), interact with said possibilities to work toward a "world," "reality" or "paradigm" (an overarching symbol from perspective) that allows us to exist outside of the constraints of the majority of the population (while taking into consideration all of the relationships between perspectives, also a symbol)

This may sound ridiculous to some from their perspective, but try it on, think about it, pretend it applies to you (I think you'll be surprised).

We can go to "work," do our "mundane jobs," do the "best we can with what we have" if we just simply stop looking for what is "wrong" externally (from perspective) and start noticing "what's right" (from perspective). Then we can change it to fit preference (from perspective), opportunities will arise to leave non-preferred parts of our lives behind, opening up new possibilities for interaction.

But I used the genius to create the false flag prophecy that I've alrady shared with them. I am already using the genius without an understanding of the how or why? Maybe 'success in golf' will catcs people's interest more than 'success in spreading false doom'. I feel I've done a disservice to those that are relevant to me.

Chaol.

Everything changes from 1 October. That comet that hit the sun was not "nothing".

I have appreciated your posts.

Good luck.

Chaol.

Everything changes from 1 October. That comet that hit the sun was not "nothing".

I have appreciated your posts.

Good luck.

Between my poor internet connection and my attempts at posting quotes, please pardon my previous 2 attempts. I hope it works this time, being my last.

posting quote



Yet another chink in your armor most people do not want doom to happen,but doom is a reality, ie, earthquakes, storms, wars and such. Most people do not believe in the para normal, but there are things that occur that defy explanation. Most people do not believe in people like you, Mr. Chaol. However, life & death are fundamentally mysterious. Is there a God, Why are things the way they are? and so many other questions. So Mr. Chaol, many of us seek & many of us encounter the likes of you (the list of charlatans is enormous & most likely the result o egotism gone delusional).
You have the gall, to accuse the readers who are disgruntled of being doom mongers, First you manipulate with rather obtuse but clever sounding verbiage, then you make a lame prediction which fails, then you report that we our reactions are being studied and as expected we are childish doom mongers.





Then there is this insult. on top of being accused of reacting typically to your childish manipulation, we do not read more than three lines. Well I have and do you know how difficult it is to read quasi intellectual verbiage? Any one who claims to understand what you write is graciously embellishing it with their own intellect.

I understand this is GLP and threads like yours are what one would expect to find here. On that note and all seriousness aside I think you provided some good entertainment and that is the reason I think people visit this GLP.

Greetings, everyone.

it is like the beating of a heart
it is all, or nothing at all
the same thing at the core creating
that which you love and that which you despise
there is no way to destroy the Empire
without destroying us
the people who dwell within it
let it be
let it flow
through its own temperance
into its own tomorrow
we, the people
will make of it what we can
in the fullness of time
we are not finished yet

Hi Chaos,

I am impressed by the level of creative energy you put into your post!!!

However, I would kindly submit that if you were interested in reviewing peoples response to failed prophecy, then this forum is replete with many examples and there was no need for you to debase your "currency" of discourse by lying to those of us that take you seriously.

You see by doing so, all future discussions are tainted and your credibility on all fronts goes out the window.

In regards to proving yourself, I don't think that anyone is asking you to pick up a rock to show them that you can. I think that at the core of it, they are asking you to share a bit of your culture, a bit of your world since after all they are merging.

So I would propose that you post an original poem known only in your world, or perhaps upload a piece of music unknown to us, not as a proof but as a gift to us, from your culture to ours.

Now, I must admit I was a bit taken aback by you bragging about your capabilities to "create any kind of destruction imaginable" I am afraid that kind of talk is frowned on in our world. And to tell you the truth, chaos is not looked upon favorably either (with a capital"C" or not)

Just one more thing. What you are nominally offering here is insights into being able to do all sorts of magical things, traveling in time or "perspective" as you say exploring our universe etc etc. Sounds rather enticing doesn't it.

But what you are offering is a change, "quantitatively" in our experience, where as what many of our established religions offer is a "qualitative" change in perception, which is to say what you are suggesting we would gain would be very "week beer" or "thin gruel" in comparison.

I guess the above verbiage is just a very long winded way of saying:

"Cool story Bro!"

Hi Chaol. Glad to see you still here.

The genius sure seemed to work for me. Only when I let go of what I thought should happen, and dropped my resistance to what I thought shouldn't happen, and it turned out the thing that I didn't want was perfect at this moment.

Could all just be coincidence though. It's possible that nothing actually means anything and we make what we can of what we have, can make that good or not, but it doesn't change anything. Everything does start from thought, and there really is no past or future, everything that ever was and will be absolutely exists right here and now (the molecules one day that make up me could be a distant star, and I'm made of star stuff right now).

My biggest fear is of when I die, if I will stop experiencing. Yet right now my experiences are far from "ideal". Yet I don't know if it is better to learn to love this experience that I don't prefer, or get used to non existance and just go there now (not in a suicidal way, but in a what may be will be and no need to be happy / sad about it).

Hi chaol,

I am not afraid to admit, I failed to learn your lesson before you explained your goal. I think the main reason we look for doom on GLP, is the hope that the world we know will drastically change, and through chaos or conflict, change for the better.

I've always admired the quote, "Conflict breeds consciousness".

But anyway, it's great to be here :)

I've been trying to wrap my brain around ecsys for over a year now. I believe I understand the concepts that ecsys proposes, but my problem is failure to incorporate it into my everyday life. I've tried using the genius before but I never created anything physical per se, I only made a couple drawings that I would apply a specific meaning to. I would love to post one on here but I don't have a camera, maybe I will try using my phone later today.

Well, mainly just saying hi chaol :)

Regards

Matt