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Notes from an "alternate universe": September 29 - October 28. (Do you know what happened at Farpoint Station?)

 
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Hello Chaol.

I have been working to "memorize" the EC language. I've made flash cards with the respective "symbol" on once side and the "pronunciation" or sound on the other side.

I am finding that as I purposefully pronounce the "symbol" internally as described by the input/output considering the "meaning" of the "symbol," I am still suffering from an "English" inner dialog explaining the "symbol."

For example, the first "letter" you've provided us with the cAt sound, the input is +S and the output is S. When I think the "A" sound, my mind then resonates from that with inner-dialog "high symbol->neutral symbol" then "a representation of 'something' that is better than the normal version of that 'something' becomes or yields a normal or neutral version of that 'something'"


Do you have any techniques that can assist in "understanding the symbol" or EC "letter" as the concept with the input and output considered without the interference of the English inner-dialog-narative-resonance?
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


Some sort of inner dialogue must be there, whether in English or an other language or type of language.

If you've ever learned a second language, the process could be similar. The inner dialogue will change over time as you make the mental map of the new concepts and words.
 Quoting: Chaol


Choal, Thank you for responding. I appreciate the assistance, it helps a lot, will save me a lot of time taking a flawed path.
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Hi Chaol :)

I have to say that I was expecting something to happen in October 1st, but I'm not disappointed because 'nothing' happened.

I just wish for changes in this world, you know? I'm not happy with the way I live. I'm not happy with what this society offers to me. I just want to be happy, but instead I'm forced to do things that bore me... It's everything about money!

 Quoting: Gespenst


Hi.

Then don't resist.

When you resist what you perceive, you are resisting your perspective. And are thus resisting yourself, and creating more of what you resist.

It sounds like you are separating your perspective from yourself. How could anyone be 'happy' doing that?

Each is you in a different perspective, you could say.

More accurately, you can experience only your own perception.

I have some questions for you...

You are the only one of your world in our world? I remember reading of some friend of you, but and the others? They know what is happening here?
 Quoting: Gespenst


As far as I know, just me and my friend are here physically.

Others from my world don't really have an idea about what's going on. We have enough things to think about in our own world, I suppose.


And about the Mayans, what you can say about they? And about their calendar?

And it's really hard to me to express myself in english, so sorry for my mistakes! :D
 Quoting: Gespenst


As I've mentioned before, "ancient" civilizations are actually values of the current one.

The Mayans exist only now, not in the past.

I'm not sure what you mean by their calendar. They had many calendars, some starting or ending at different times. What would you like to know about it?

And it's really hard to me to express myself in english, so sorry for my mistakes! :D
 Quoting: Gespenst


What mistakes? I only notice when you draw attention to it :)
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Yet another absolute FAIL.
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Congrats! You posted something.

That sure was easy, wasn't it?

Although I would agree that "fail" exists from certain perspectives, "absolute" does not exist in any perspective.
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What if the "evil" ruling "elite" are "us?"

These "evils" are "external" manifestations of our "internal" world, our perspective? If you consider this, then there is no such thing as "unfair."

We can complain, point fingers, and blame others for the "problems" (challenges) we have in our individual lives (perspective) and the world (also perspective)... or we can accept it is as it is.

Once we accept it and set it to a symbol, we can consider the logic (structure) associated with it, consider the possibility (options we have to change it), interact with said possibilities to work toward a "world," "reality" or "paradigm" (an overarching symbol from perspective) that allows us to exist outside of the constraints of the majority of the population (while taking into consideration all of the relationships between perspectives, also a symbol)

This may sound ridiculous to some from their perspective, but try it on, think about it, pretend it applies to you (I think you'll be surprised).

We can go to "work," do our "mundane jobs," do the "best we can with what we have" if we just simply stop looking for what is "wrong" externally (from perspective) and start noticing "what's right" (from perspective). Then we can change it to fit preference (from perspective), opportunities will arise to leave non-preferred parts of our lives behind, opening up new possibilities for interaction.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


Very well said.

We cannot see beyond our own perceptions. (That's all we can possibly know.)
 Quoting: Chaol


So I should just basically pretend like nothing is going on, and forget that my government is oppressing me, against the law of the land, without impunity? Hell, an American Citizen was just assassinated this week, and the media is cheering it on like blood sucking vampires. I should just be ok with that?
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Nothing of the such is implied.
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Hi Chaol,

I have learned more from you than anyone else on GLP. Thank you for everything you give, and continue to give. I find your words authentic and genuine, and I am glad you are here with us :)
 Quoting: Flow


Thank you :)

It's always a pleasure to be here.
 Quoting: Chaol


:)

Hey Chaol, any word on that app for either Android or IOS?
 Quoting: Flow


It's vaporware until I find a developer who can actually understand my specifications.

I haven't been looking after the last one. (However, I have given some instructions on how to create it. That no one has responded to that particular post on the other thread nor created something according to those instructions tells me that most people aren't truly interested, but more curious. So I haven't pursued it.)
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Hi chaol,

I am not afraid to admit, I failed to learn your lesson before you explained your goal. I think the main reason we look for doom on GLP, is the hope that the world we know will drastically change, and through chaos or conflict, change for the better.

I've always admired the quote, "Conflict breeds consciousness".

But anyway, it's great to be here :)

I've been trying to wrap my brain around ecsys for over a year now. I believe I understand the concepts that ecsys proposes, but my problem is failure to incorporate it into my everyday life. I've tried using the genius before but I never created anything physical per se, I only made a couple drawings that I would apply a specific meaning to. I would love to post one on here but I don't have a camera, maybe I will try using my phone later today.

Well, mainly just saying hi chaol :)

Regards

Matt
 Quoting: JustAnotherExperience


Thanks, Matt.

But keep in mind that with the genius you have to create something physical. Otherwise, it cannot be mapped to your physical world (which includes what you call mental, emotional, psychological, spiritual, etc.)
 Quoting: Chaol


I hope my example can help:

I described your "The Genius" to my brothers and a couple good friends yesterday and I used "Getting a Job in your field" (as they are all unemloyed college grads)

I explained (with your website up) the following:

"The steps to making a Genius map follow the basic principles of Ecsys Prime."

1-Create symbol: Represent your desired thought, object, or experience physically.

Create a resume', portfolio, buy clothing that someone in your field would wear.


2-Find possibility: Create or use space for your symbol or the interactions.


Send the pieces of paper off to possible employers (creating possibility for interaction)


3-Interact: Allow the symbol or representation to interact with the various elements of your reaity


Visit, call or frequent places where the people in your field (possible employers) are, show your work, talk to people about what you do. Contact the people/places you've sent resume's to.


5-Structure: For added bonus, develop structure around the interactions.

Speak and behave as one would in your field, wear the clothing you purchased.


I know, it's simple and it's just an example, but the group I was speaking with was very receptive.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


Hi. It's good you shared your understanding of the Genius. I'm impressed with your efforts.

Your model is a good start. I'd be interested to see your next one.

Some notes:

2 could possibly work. Though "possibility" would be in the space itself, not in the sending.

For 3, allow the representation to interact.
For 5, try specific rules.

Good stuff :)
 Quoting: Chaol


Chaol, thank you again for responding. I REALLY appreciate that you pointed out I am wrong, but on the right path. It's reassuring and again, thank you.

If I understand you correctly, your "body" cannot be the "symbol" in the interaction in #3? It has to be something representing your "future body" in that position?

for #5 Would setting your alarm clock for 7:00 am, taking a shower and dressing in "field" appropriate clothing be an adequate set of rules?


Thank you again.
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Things are in the saddle and riding mankind. You're not exactly the first person to note these things.

However, you mentioned CFLs

[link to www.wnd.com]

I'm curious, what is it about them that makes dogs and cats freak out. I'm pretty sure whatever it is, it's not good for either them or us dumb and blind humans, but I do like explanations for empirical observations.
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Toxic substances are not just for the nose.

It radiates toxicity in the physical world.

The net result is much worse (and much more expensive) than what it replaced.
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What if the "evil" ruling "elite" are "us?"

These "evils" are "external" manifestations of our "internal" world, our perspective? If you consider this, then there is no such thing as "unfair."

We can complain, point fingers, and blame others for the "problems" (challenges) we have in our individual lives (perspective) and the world (also perspective)... or we can accept it is as it is.

Once we accept it and set it to a symbol, we can consider the logic (structure) associated with it, consider the possibility (options we have to change it), interact with said possibilities to work toward a "world," "reality" or "paradigm" (an overarching symbol from perspective) that allows us to exist outside of the constraints of the majority of the population (while taking into consideration all of the relationships between perspectives, also a symbol)

This may sound ridiculous to some from their perspective, but try it on, think about it, pretend it applies to you (I think you'll be surprised).

We can go to "work," do our "mundane jobs," do the "best we can with what we have" if we just simply stop looking for what is "wrong" externally (from perspective) and start noticing "what's right" (from perspective). Then we can change it to fit preference (from perspective), opportunities will arise to leave non-preferred parts of our lives behind, opening up new possibilities for interaction.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


Very well said.

We cannot see beyond our own perceptions. (That's all we can possibly know.)
 Quoting: Chaol


So I should just basically pretend like nothing is going on, and forget that my government is oppressing me, against the law of the land, without impunity? Hell, an American Citizen was just assassinated this week, and the media is cheering it on like blood sucking vampires. I should just be ok with that?
 Quoting: Bertoxxulous


From my perspective, we (I, you, Everyone else) need to first accept that all is as it is, now.

I am not personally "ok" with "them"(a distant extension of our selves) killing our American citizens. You also do not have to be "ok" with it. But it IS the way it IS.

The way I interpret what Chaol is telling us, there are things that are physically relative to our lives(close to us in distance, time, reality), things that are less relative(further from us in distance, time, reality) and nothing exists beyond what we are aware of (no energy is independent of our "individual" perspective). It's a continuum, with the things most relevant to us here closest (in perspective) and the things least relevant furthest.

I know it is "upsetting" to see such horrible things happening in our world, but until it is closer to us "relatively" from our individual perspective, it is beyond our control.

So, you can choose to bring it closer, using a technique like Chaol's "The Genius" model or you can dismiss it as not as relevant to your life.

I don't mean to sound uncaring or apathetic to the horrid things happening in our world, I am just trying to share my perspective.

I also subscribe to the childish notions that "everything happens for the best, from perspective", that "our experience is a reflection of our choices" and that "we experience EXACTLY what we deserve"
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


Often, we care not to find out why we are perceiving something.

In this way we play the victim without knowing it, thinking that things happen regardless of whether we perceive it or not. (Some even think that they should experience it simply because it exists. The question for them would be, "why are you drawn to those perceptions?")
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Choal,

I am having guests over for a dinner party this Friday. You are invited. Give me a call on my cell phone to r.s.v.p.

Thanks
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Very well said.

We cannot see beyond our own perceptions. (That's all we can possibly know.)
 Quoting: Chaol


So I should just basically pretend like nothing is going on, and forget that my government is oppressing me, against the law of the land, without impunity? Hell, an American Citizen was just assassinated this week, and the media is cheering it on like blood sucking vampires. I should just be ok with that?
 Quoting: Bertoxxulous


From my perspective, we (I, you, Everyone else) need to first accept that all is as it is, now.

I am not personally "ok" with "them"(a distant extension of our selves) killing our American citizens. You also do not have to be "ok" with it. But it IS the way it IS.

The way I interpret what Chaol is telling us, there are things that are physically relative to our lives(close to us in distance, time, reality), things that are less relative(further from us in distance, time, reality) and nothing exists beyond what we are aware of (no energy is independent of our "individual" perspective). It's a continuum, with the things most relevant to us here closest (in perspective) and the things least relevant furthest.

I know it is "upsetting" to see such horrible things happening in our world, but until it is closer to us "relatively" from our individual perspective, it is beyond our control.

So, you can choose to bring it closer, using a technique like Chaol's "The Genius" model or you can dismiss it as not as relevant to your life.

I don't mean to sound uncaring or apathetic to the horrid things happening in our world, I am just trying to share my perspective.

I also subscribe to the childish notions that "everything happens for the best, from perspective", that "our experience is a reflection of our choices" and that "we experience EXACTLY what we deserve"
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


Often, we care not to find out why we are perceiving something.

In this way we play the victim without knowing it, thinking that things happen regardless of whether we perceive it or not. (Some even think that they should experience it simply because it exists. The question for them would be, "why are you drawn to those perceptions?")
 Quoting: Chaol


The most common answer I've heard is "It's the way I am."

I often advise people that "You are confined to that which you define yourself" and the eye-rolling stuff in my signature. Most people don't realize that they're living in a life-sized plinco-game, and they can choose which way they fall.
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TRUTH HAS NO MASK. If you knew something you would simply say when and where.

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Yes, I suppose I could do things the way you imagine.
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Hi.

Then don't resist.

When you resist what you perceive, you are resisting your perspective. And are thus resisting yourself, and creating more of what you resist.

It sounds like you are separating your perspective from yourself. How could anyone be 'happy' doing that?

Each is you in a different perspective, you could say.

More accurately, you can experience only your own perception.


 Quoting: Chaol


Thanks for your responding, Chaol!

In your perspective, how I am resisting what I perceive? I didn't get it, sorry!

As I've mentioned before, "ancient" civilizations are actually values of the current one.

The Mayans exist only now, not in the past.

I'm not sure what you mean by their calendar. They had many calendars, some starting or ending at different times. What would you like to know about it?


 Quoting: Chaol


I want to know about the calendar that ends this October 28th (the name is 'Tun', I think). How much accurate it is? It's really about the human consciousness? How could they measure it?

Thank you!
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The point is that if some was disappointed that there was no doom on October 1, it's because they:

1) haven't been paying attention, and/or
2) really want doom to occur and are disappointed when it doesn't happen

So hopefully a lot more people on this website can stop wishing for doom and realize what is going on around them now and participate more in its 'creation'.

We can do fantastic things together, but we need your active participation. Don't just sit on the sidelines.

Let's figure it out together. (A cliché that works!)
 Quoting: WatchingTheThinker


An amazing tie together!

clappa
 Quoting: Chaol


Chaol,

When you write;

1) haven't been paying attention, and/or
2) really want doom to occur and are disappointed when it doesn't happen.

Does anyone really want doom to happen? In reality doom does happen and no one in their right mind enjoys it or wishes for it to happen.

When someone as enigmatic as yourself appears and makes a prediction, some of us more idiosyncratic humans might hope that you are right. I want to emphasize that they are not hoping for doom, they are looking for that someone special in whom they can place their trust. This world is many things, good, bad, beautiful, ugly, certain and this world can be uncertain. People are searching for security, not doom.

You made the prediction and you fail to understand the reason people are disappointed in you.
 Quoting: Silent Wind


Surely neither of us speaks for all. But if we were to pretend that we did, it could be said that we often seek out dramatic events in our lives.

Without drama there would be no human existence.

No one was saying that people are searching for doom. This would be ridiculous.

But I would say that, as humans, we search for (and create) the drama necessary and relevant for our lives.
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[snips]
You've explained how to change our reality, but how do others, loved ones, friends, and family fit into the picture?
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Are not those people part of your reality?
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I have only one other question Chaol.

Tell me something about Marijuana and your world?

Ever since I started using marijuana, I've been getting closer to nature and have been realizing the truth about how our world really works, with other "potheads". i'd like to know what you think about it.
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I want to know about the calendar that ends this October 28th (the name is 'Tun', I think). How much accurate it is? It's really about the human consciousness? How could they measure it?

 Quoting: Gespenst


I realize you are asking Chaol, but I "think" I can answer your question (not on his behalf, of course, but inspired by him)

If you believe it is relevant to you, it will be. It only exists for you, from your perspective. The fact that you came across the information, means it's within your perception and therefore relative to you.
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Chaol, thank you again for responding. I REALLY appreciate that you pointed out I am wrong, but on the right path. It's reassuring and again, thank you.

If I understand you correctly, your "body" cannot be the "symbol" in the interaction in #3? It has to be something representing your "future body" in that position?

for #5 Would setting your alarm clock for 7:00 am, taking a shower and dressing in "field" appropriate clothing be an adequate set of rules?


Thank you again.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


The physical representation should be something newly-created.

Otherwise you risk interfering with what your brain has already mapped to the pre-existing symbol. It will still work, but not as effectively.

(The symbol would represent your intention. You would create the new physical representation with that in mind. With more advanced neuronics you are doing this on-the-fly and mentally, with more immediate results. For some this may be easier but the method I illustrate can be just as effective for most, if properly used.)

For number 5, yes those rules would be fine.
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Chaol, thank you again for responding. I REALLY appreciate that you pointed out I am wrong, but on the right path. It's reassuring and again, thank you.

If I understand you correctly, your "body" cannot be the "symbol" in the interaction in #3? It has to be something representing your "future body" in that position?

for #5 Would setting your alarm clock for 7:00 am, taking a shower and dressing in "field" appropriate clothing be an adequate set of rules?


Thank you again.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


The physical representation should be something newly-created.

Otherwise you risk interfering with what your brain has already mapped to the pre-existing symbol. It will still work, but not as effectively.

(The symbol would represent your intention. You would create the new physical representation with that in mind. With more advanced neuronics you are doing this on-the-fly and mentally, with more immediate results. For some this may be easier but the method I illustrate can be just as effective for most, if properly used.)

For number 5, yes those rules would be fine.
 Quoting: Chaol


Thank you again. I understand. I would love to have a (realtime) conversation with you (as would many I suppose)

This has been an honor.
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I want to know about the calendar that ends this October 28th (the name is 'Tun', I think). How much accurate it is? It's really about the human consciousness? How could they measure it?

 Quoting: Gespenst


I realize you are asking Chaol, but I "think" I can answer your question (not on his behalf, of course, but inspired by him)

If you believe it is relevant to you, it will be. It only exists for you, from your perspective. The fact that you came across the information, means it's within your perception and therefore relative to you.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


Thanks! I really believe in this calendar, but I don't know why! :D

But I have asked about this because Chaol seems to have a great knowledge about ancient cultures. The question the thing about the calendar that amaze me it's how they are able to create it.

The Mayan civilization was fascinating!
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The most common answer I've heard is "It's the way I am."

I often advise people that "You are confined to that which you define yourself" and the eye-rolling stuff in my signature. Most people don't realize that they're living in a life-sized plinco-game, and they can choose which way they fall.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


We not only perceive that which is easiest to perceive but do that which is easiest (most relative) to do.

It may be easier for someone to continue doing things that harm them, for example, if it is relative to their experience (all things considered).

When we think. "Why does that person do that?" then we can think either because they want to or, perhaps more accurately, because it is most relative to their perspective.

When someone claims they don't want to experience or perceive "bad" things but continue to, it's because they don't understand what they really want.

This, of course, would lead to all sorts of questions about people being abused, suffering, killed, etc.

When was the last time anything bad happened in your dreams? Did it seem real? Did you want it to happen or what it just the most logical thing at the time (all things considered)?
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Chaol, thank you again for responding. I REALLY appreciate that you pointed out I am wrong, but on the right path. It's reassuring and again, thank you.

If I understand you correctly, your "body" cannot be the "symbol" in the interaction in #3? It has to be something representing your "future body" in that position?

for #5 Would setting your alarm clock for 7:00 am, taking a shower and dressing in "field" appropriate clothing be an adequate set of rules?


Thank you again.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


The physical representation should be something newly-created.

Otherwise you risk interfering with what your brain has already mapped to the pre-existing symbol. It will still work, but not as effectively.

(The symbol would represent your intention. You would create the new physical representation with that in mind. With more advanced neuronics you are doing this on-the-fly and mentally, with more immediate results. For some this may be easier but the method I illustrate can be just as effective for most, if properly used.)

For number 5, yes those rules would be fine.
 Quoting: Chaol


Thank you again. I understand. I would love to have a (realtime) conversation with you (as would many I suppose)

This has been an honor.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


Maybe, one day, we all can share some drinks together! :D

hf
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chaol, how effective would it be to draw out a completely new symbol on a piece of paper that would say, represent a certain amount of money, then to place it in your pocket and carry it around with you, while on occasion taking it out and absorbing the meaning of the symbol in and its representation of the cash value you gave it?

would this work to any degree in having it appear in your life? have enough of the elements been covered in this example in order to achieve the monetary value of the new representation?
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Hey OP, love your threads..

I have a question, do you know what dreams are exactly?

It seems sometimes dreams are just random 3d manifestations in our mind, with the stupidest, nonsensical situations, dialog in these dreams can be totally retarded, and our actions often times are erratic and ridiculous, maybe even embarrasing or traumatazing.. who knows, these are all manifestations of our inner psyche apparently, and are largely symbolic, I assume these types of dreams are nothing but fabrications of our physical ego consciuos/subconscious mind aided by all the 'data' stored in your memory from this life..

But then there's these other dreams... where you are a full-blown different person.. different identity, different parents even, different setting, time period, etc.. these dreams are serious, whoever you are in this dream knows what they're doing, sometimes there's a larger purpose going on, some type of battle, struggle, project.. I've had dreams that were just so real and yet so alien to this world, that I just wonder, am I seeing flashes of past lives, alternate universes or what? For example, I had a dream of being in a different body, as a child, and my parents werent the ones from this life, I was in what I perceived to be the 80s-90s but I was using this computer-like device, and I was manipulating visual elements and data in a way I can't even describe.. it was multi-dimensionally intuitive..

The dream felt like a memory.. and I've had many more like that, including ones in more ancient time periods, and even what looks like other planets.. anyway what I'm trying to say is, do you know anything about what dreams actually are, and what are dreams like in your universe? can you dream about our universe from yours or vice-versa?
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Hi.

Then don't resist.

When you resist what you perceive, you are resisting your perspective. And are thus resisting yourself, and creating more of what you resist.

It sounds like you are separating your perspective from yourself. How could anyone be 'happy' doing that?

Each is you in a different perspective, you could say.

More accurately, you can experience only your own perception.


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Thanks for your responding, Chaol!

In your perspective, how I am resisting what I perceive? I didn't get it, sorry!

As I've mentioned before, "ancient" civilizations are actually values of the current one.

The Mayans exist only now, not in the past.

I'm not sure what you mean by their calendar. They had many calendars, some starting or ending at different times. What would you like to know about it?


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I want to know about the calendar that ends this October 28th (the name is 'Tun', I think). How much accurate it is? It's really about the human consciousness? How could they measure it?

Thank you!
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For example, when you don't like or want something you are resisting what you perceive.

I'm not suggesting you accept everything that comes your way and integrate it into your life but what I am saying is that when you perceive something you don't like that is 100% you.

When you actively resist you then you will experience difficulties.

Learn to not resist, and those difficulties will disappear.

Regarding the calendar, the Mayan calendar does not "end" at all in the way I think you're talking about.

For an explanation of the calendar (and mis-interpretations) see [link to www.2012.com.au]

Hope this helps.
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I have only one other question Chaol.

Tell me something about Marijuana and your world?

Ever since I started using marijuana, I've been getting closer to nature and have been realizing the truth about how our world really works, with other "potheads". i'd like to know what you think about it.
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I don't know anything about marijuana in my world. I think it's called something else but I've never bothered to find out what.

Such drugs are not popular, however. We stick to alcohol and caffeine, mostly for the same reasons as you do here.
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I want to know about the calendar that ends this October 28th (the name is 'Tun', I think). How much accurate it is? It's really about the human consciousness? How could they measure it?

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I realize you are asking Chaol, but I "think" I can answer your question (not on his behalf, of course, but inspired by him)

If you believe it is relevant to you, it will be. It only exists for you, from your perspective. The fact that you came across the information, means it's within your perception and therefore relative to you.
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Thanks! I really believe in this calendar, but I don't know why! :D

But I have asked about this because Chaol seems to have a great knowledge about ancient cultures. The question the thing about the calendar that amaze me it's how they are able to create it.

The Mayan civilization was fascinating!
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It would seem that we 'create' the Mayan culture as much as it has created itself.

Anything could be fascinating once we mold it into our own shapes, and project things onto it.

Many of the "alien" civilizations that come into contact with us are actually beings more of this world. Although a somewhat different physicality, they exist here and now.

We just think of time the way we do because it is convenient.

But the reality is much more fascinating.
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chaol, how effective would it be to draw out a completely new symbol on a piece of paper that would say, represent a certain amount of money, then to place it in your pocket and carry it around with you, while on occasion taking it out and absorbing the meaning of the symbol in and its representation of the cash value you gave it?

would this work to any degree in having it appear in your life? have enough of the elements been covered in this example in order to achieve the monetary value of the new representation?
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Forget about drawing the symbol on a piece of paper.

Pieces of paper are some of the most-mapped objects. We use them all the time for different purposes.

Make it unique and make it as physical as you are.
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Just for the record, our timeline was altered/veered once again this morning. I felt it about 10am EST. I was in the middle of thinking about something and I felt the disruption/pause/null-time for a moment, and then we continued on.

The thread here says, "Alternate Universe" but I'm thinking more about how our timeline keeps getting shifted back and forth.
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Hey OP, love your threads..

I have a question, do you know what dreams are exactly?

It seems sometimes dreams are just random 3d manifestations in our mind, with the stupidest, nonsensical situations, dialog in these dreams can be totally retarded, and our actions often times are erratic and ridiculous, maybe even embarrasing or traumatazing.. who knows, these are all manifestations of our inner psyche apparently, and are largely symbolic, I assume these types of dreams are nothing but fabrications of our physical ego consciuos/subconscious mind aided by all the 'data' stored in your memory from this life..

But then there's these other dreams... where you are a full-blown different person.. different identity, different parents even, different setting, time period, etc.. these dreams are serious, whoever you are in this dream knows what they're doing, sometimes there's a larger purpose going on, some type of battle, struggle, project.. I've had dreams that were just so real and yet so alien to this world, that I just wonder, am I seeing flashes of past lives, alternate universes or what? For example, I had a dream of being in a different body, as a child, and my parents werent the ones from this life, I was in what I perceived to be the 80s-90s but I was using this computer-like device, and I was manipulating visual elements and data in a way I can't even describe.. it was multi-dimensionally intuitive..

The dream felt like a memory.. and I've had many more like that, including ones in more ancient time periods, and even what looks like other planets.. anyway what I'm trying to say is, do you know anything about what dreams actually are, and what are dreams like in your universe? can you dream about our universe from yours or vice-versa?
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Dreaming is what you call life from a physically different perspective.

We have the capacity to physically change what we are on a moment-to-moment basis.

However, we set rules for this process in order to function. I don't mean that we just set rules for sleeping and waking up. I mean more of an "I won't perceive that because it doesn't make sense to me now" sort of rule.

You are always dreaming, however.

Some examples of making this change are:

-walking down the street
-hitting our head
-touching something
-sensing anything (seeing, hearing, etc)

In other words, you do it all the time.

But when that something is very different from your current perspective you think of it as a dream (or remember it as a dream).

It also might be that you don't perceive it, or you block it out entirely for your immediate perception.

Again, it's not that you dream when you fall asleep. It's that you are experiencing something now that does not become relevant to you until you are in a different state. (Even though, too, that state is now.)
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hi chaol. thanks again for all the information you have been sharing with us over these last couple of years - paradigm shifting, to say the least! i wanted to ask if you are familiar with val valerian and the matrix V material? if so, what are your thoughts on it? again, many thanks!

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