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Notes from an "alternate universe": September 29 - October 28. (Do you know what happened at Farpoint Station?)

 
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when are you people going to realise, no Hollywood type shit will happen while your living on this planet.

go back to your super market jobs, only you can save yourself.
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While I agree totally - this/these thread(s) are bullshit, I do not like the condescending tone of this poster from Japan.
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For the person who gave me negative karma with this response: Says "you should never use a negative to gain a positive" while calling for the destruction of humanity..

I never called for the destruction of humanity, i said it didnt deserve saving, there is a big difference in the two.. i would never willingly wish anyone to be hurt but if they are going to be hurt from an outside source and i have to risk my life to save theirs.. and humanity is the one who needs saving .. then no Im not going to expend my energy to save someone who doesnt deserve it in my opinion.. this is very different than being the person who pushes them in front of the bus..

Who do i believe deserves saving on this planet, all children under 21 and anyone over 21 who does believe that becoming a united humanity with co ownership of the resources of this planet is the only way to peace and prosperity.. those who happily take care of their neighbour out of their own pocket.. those who give their time tirelessly in volunteer work and those who believe in no borders .. they are the ones who deserve saving.
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe": September 29 - October 28. (Do you know what happened at Farpoint Station?)
September 29:

[link to www.01.ign.es]

Immense pressure, like a Bond, is not only building up tremendously but has "shaken loose" an important layer in the Earth's mantle in that region.

This bond (meaning 3) stretches all around the Earth, of course, so it is telling us that pressure in the mantle is at extreme levels and magma is continuing to build up at a rapid pace.
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Good call, and an impressive graph. You were absolutely right with your post on sept 29th.

I do not like to see "doom", at all. What I would like though is a significant change from the current state of this world, where greed and money make the rules.
That has to change, or destroyed.

Thanks again for sharing these thoughts with us chaol.
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I love Fringe. I think its the best sci-fi show on telly.
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September 29:

[link to www.01.ign.es]

Immense pressure, like a Bond, is not only building up tremendously but has "shaken loose" an important layer in the Earth's mantle in that region.

This bond (meaning 3) stretches all around the Earth, of course, so it is telling us that pressure in the mantle is at extreme levels and magma is continuing to build up at a rapid pace.
 Quoting: Chaol


Good call, and an impressive graph. You were absolutely right with your post on sept 29th.

I do not like to see "doom", at all. What I would like though is a significant change from the current state of this world, where greed and money make the rules.
That has to change, or destroyed.

Thanks again for sharing these thoughts with us chaol.
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I agree with you hf
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Synopsis?
 Quoting: Daikirai




I found the above El Hierro thread a little difficult to read.

However, from what i have gleened...of late there has been a lot of seismic activity under the island, parts of the island were evacuated this week due to potential of volcano erupting (last erupted 1790's?). I think as at today the evacuees have been allowed home.

Why people are worried about a potential disaster from this eruption, is due to nearby island La Palma having a fault line or split which, if there were an eruption could cause a massive landslide and tsunami. A tsunami big enough to make it to the US west coast.

I am wondering though, if it is El Hierro that is erupting...to what degree will it effect the fault line of La Palma?
 Quoting: curve



I think this is what they are most afraid of:

El Hierro’s Volcanic/Seismic Past

El Hierro is situated in the most southwestern extreme of the Canaries. The island was formed after three successive eruptions, and consequent accumulations, the island emerged from the ocean as an imposing triangular pyramid crowned by a volcano more than 2,000 metres high.

The volcanic activity, principally at the convergence of the three ridges, resulted in the continual expansion of the island. A mere 50,000 years ago, as a result of seismic tremors which produced massive landslides, a giant piece of the island cracked off, crashed down into the ocean and scattered along the seabed. This landslide of more than 300km3 gave rise to the impressive amphitheatre of the El Golfo valley and at the same time caused a tsunami that most likely rose over 100 metres high and probably reached as far as the American coast.

[link to forum.fok.nl]



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Many in the Western world have true AGAPE love for the world. Many others are striving for it. Many have come to a place where they have realized their selfish ways and are on a spiritual path to higher love.

We are having trouble with higher ups and there corrupt and greedy ways.

Many of us know they have power and control issues and all that goes with it. The fear based.

Many of us are love based.
 Quoting: finley


Hi.

I'm not sure that we can know how an other person feels or what they are thinking and why they do something.

Are not the 'higher ups' having much the same problems as those 'below' (with their own 'higher ups')?

If there was one problem, what would it be?
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Ain't it a bitch when we get blamed for what those in power do? The majority of people in the west are good individually, easily brainwashed en masse. It's the conditioning, it can be broken. The nice thing? Most have enough dissonance in their lives now they're questioning and guess what? Those good people are choosing love over fear more and more often. Don't judge us by our leaders, that's the mark of insanity. We all deserve a one on one session with the ALL, don't you think?
 Quoting: Snoocherdoodle (Queen Bea)


Who are the leaders if not for persons just like anyone else?

Leadership is just a façade, an illusion of what something should be like.

We are all in charge of something, and may pretty much echo the same personas as those we think we are subservient to.

If one leader was not there, surely there would be someone ready to take their place.

We could say that under the same conditions we would be making the same choices.

So what is the real difference between one who leads and one who follows other than the environment they have been conditioned to?
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From my perspective western civilisation should not be saved. Collectively, it is a barbaric evolution that has nearly destroyed the planet with which it was gifted. The lower forms of life are blameless for this destruction - it belongs to the human races alone to bear the punishment for their ruthless carnage.
 Quoting: Distant Observor 2268819


Assuredly, this civilization is incapable of destroying the planet. Dare we think we have that much of an effect on this planet? (It will be here for billions more of your years yet. Will we?)

However, we are very much capable (and perhaps ready) to destroy ourselves.

We are also capable of, as a whole, evolution towards a continued existence.

Which one is the work in progress?
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@Chaol, is there a reason your website icon is the same as that of abrahamhicks.com?

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 Quoting: Gespenst


It appears that we both use Plesk on our servers. The icon you see is the default Plesk icon.

There is no relation.
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Nothing happened on 23th. Thread is invalid.
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What happened on that day is:

- faster-than-light neutrino discovered @ CERN

- Palestine applied for membership as a state @ the UN

That second thing could very well be the pretext of war.
 Quoting: tuuuuur


Yes, and a lot of people are exceedingly angry at what happened that day. (And the result that followed.)
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This new thread is certainly shaking things up a lil. Responses unlike what I have seen on your other threads Chaol.
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Mostly because this thread was pinned.

The other thread, fortunately, was never pinned.
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe": September 29 - October 28. (Do you know what happened at Farpoint Station?)
"Imagine that you are Captain Jean Luc Picard standing in front of Q at Farpoint Station, and humanity is being put on trial. (Except you are helping to explain why Western civilization should not be destroyed.)"


Thank you for this opportunity Chaol.

In front of a "Q", the destruction of "Western civilization" is unnecessary. A being of infinite, unrestricted and intelligent power could change the minds of all men over time (or instantly) before the need to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


Would not 'Q' want to see how they change their own minds? (If they are capable, surely they have not really exercised it for the betterment of their fellow human.)
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Well, if it's a trial:

1. What are the charges?
2. Who's prosecuting? And will the defense be allowed reasonable time for discovery?
3. Who will be approving whatever defense that gets submitted to the judge?
4. Who's judging?
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Unfortunately, these questions do not apply here because they are based on your own systems of law and justice.

The real question is one that we can each ask ourselves. Perhaps, "should we continue with the current perspective or go tabula rasa?"

Anything less than a blank slate would probably not be effective. It would be similar to what you find yourself in every few years when new leaders are 'elected'.

More of the same, but slightly different stage and actors.
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You may be correct Chaol, but why shall I be worried if it doesn't have any effect on overall humanity...I mean the "changes" and "Doom" part...
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[link to www.startrek.com]

quote ['Initially thought to be a large spaceport on Deneb IV, the station was actually a giant, shape-shifting lifeform, forced to assume the form of the base by the natives of Deneb IV, the Bandi.

Thanks to the intervention of the U.S.S. Enterprise-D, the creature was able to return to space.']


On this planet (or rather in the space station/life-form), ideas/thoughts are manifested in reality quickly and easily.

Chaol, are you suggesting that the 'Bandi' are metaphors for Western civilisation? If so, who do the shape-shifters represent?
 Quoting: curve


What is your guess?
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while there are a few pockets of humans that deserve saving 95% do not.. i can not actually think of a single reason to save humanity..

Humanity is greedy, selfish, stupid, hateful, wasteful, abusive, violent, and above all else lacking in love .. love of the self and love of their fellow man.. evidence is everywhere and while that small 5% of humans have the right energy, ideas, attitudes and systems that could vastly improve the way we all live, the other 95% are too stupid, fearful and selfish to even bother to consider them..

Humanity gets a huge F in the universal school
 Quoting: Enchanted Wanderer


What it if were the other way around, that the 5% are going in the 'wrong' direction? Is that possible?
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Dearest Choal,

Maybe if i ate liquid crystal I could tell you why this civilization needs to be saved. I did not drink or eat any such thing, so instead, let me just say this:

This world WILL be saved, regardless of what I want. How many of our "western civilizations" do you think our planet has gone through. Do you REALLY think this will change? The trap is sprung, and we're stuck in it.

Personally, I would wish it to end, all of us go Home, wipe the whole scene out of existence (but not out of memory) and start again, with BETTER rules (not better man made rules, but ....well need i actually explain this to a crystal liquid drinking person? I didnt think so. Better rules that we actually know in advance, for any of us that are dumb enough to decide that we want to give it another go. Those who BREAK the fucking rules get ejected from the game. Its really shitty to live in a world where the ones who destroy all that is are the ones who "get ahead". The whole point of playing the fucking game was to have FUN. Are we having fun yet?

I digress. If I were home addressing Source, after my recapitulation was completed, if asked to save it or wipe it clean, my vote is wipe it clean.

Occupy Home! Boycott Earth!
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Wipe it clean because... this paradise of which you speak cannot be achieved? Or some other reason?
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Oh yeah it was very astonishing I yank one before I went to bed and it was good. Then I had some good dreams. My dream was of the Stay Puff marshmallow man taking a big load on my town.....I woke up in horror when the load came out and splattered all over the expressway and residential homes....Then he said,"oh I am sorry," then he farted very loud and I woke up to the sound of the alarm. I went back to sleep and yank one out again, then I had the same dream again. This time Emitt Smith came out and started to have some good times with the marshmallow man, and then I woke up again. geez.....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1227309


this right here is why the humanity experiement should be graded a huge Fail and wiped clean so we can all go back home and stop trying to wake these poor souls up..
 Quoting: Enchanted Wanderer


Wake "them" up to what?

Why would they need to be awakened?
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"Imagine that you are Captain Jean Luc Picard standing in front of Q at Farpoint Station, and humanity is being put on trial. (Except you are helping to explain why Western civilization should not be destroyed.)"


Thank you for this opportunity Chaol.

In front of a "Q", the destruction of "Western civilization" is unnecessary. A being of infinite, unrestricted and intelligent power could change the minds of all men over time (or instantly) before the need to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


Would not 'Q' want to see how they change their own minds? (If they are capable, surely they have not really exercised it for the betterment of their fellow human.)
 Quoting: Chaol


I think the short answer is no? A being like "Q" would already know exactly what decisions "they" would make. In this scenario "Q" is choosing to ask the question, I believe, in order to cause self-reflection to inspire a change.

Chaol, thank you so much for responding.
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Why should Western civilization be saved?
 Quoting: Chaol


I think that western civilization should be saved since people have been lied to and tricked into thinking that everything is a competition. If there was no greed we would be in a different world. People also don't realize that they are all in the same boat and if they worked together we wouldn't be in this terrible situation where we allow a small percentage of society to control us and direct our lives. I would love it if you gave us a second chance.
 Quoting: RelaxingVibes


Are you sure of these things? That lies, competition, and greed exist?
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while there are a few pockets of humans that deserve saving 95% do not.. i can not actually think of a single reason to save humanity..

Humanity is greedy, selfish, stupid, hateful, wasteful, abusive, violent, and above all else lacking in love .. love of the self and love of their fellow man.. evidence is everywhere and while that small 5% of humans have the right energy, ideas, attitudes and systems that could vastly improve the way we all live, the other 95% are too stupid, fearful and selfish to even bother to consider them..

Humanity gets a huge F in the universal school
 Quoting: Enchanted Wanderer


What it if were the other way around, that the 5% are going in the 'wrong' direction? Is that possible?
 Quoting: Chaol


There is no "wrong direction", only perspectives. The 95% is the 5%. Mostly there is no difference. All thought is "positive", even so called "negative thinking", since all thought posits and is a movement in time away from what is.
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe": September 29 - October 28. (Do you know what happened at Farpoint Station?)
The Farpoint Station mentioned in this thread's title is a reference to Star Trek:

[link to en.m.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: tuuuuur


From the link above:

The episode premièred on 28 September, 1987[1] and was the first new live-action episode of Star Trek to have been created since 1969.

spock
 Quoting: Path_No_Logical_Ire


It premiered twice on September 28 ;)

Or shall I say, once?

You'll see the beauty of how reality (past/present/future) is 'created' soon enough.
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Everyone can interpret crop circles in their own way, including DOOMTARDS.
EPIC FAIL.
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That's the beauty of perspective.

But how do you perceive the same thing that your friend perceives?

(Or do you?)
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Why should Western civilization be saved?
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Please define exactly what you mean by "Western Civilization"... Please answer in your native language....

Sincerely,
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 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


Hi.

My native language is English.

However, I mean something along the lines of "The English Empire". And, no, I don't specially mean England.

Language is a powerful tool. And English has created vast empires in the minds of all of us.

However, it is also useful. So it is time to retire the 'dictionary' authors and allow new definitions to create new experiences.
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while there are a few pockets of humans that deserve saving 95% do not.. i can not actually think of a single reason to save humanity..

Humanity is greedy, selfish, stupid, hateful, wasteful, abusive, violent, and above all else lacking in love .. love of the self and love of their fellow man.. evidence is everywhere and while that small 5% of humans have the right energy, ideas, attitudes and systems that could vastly improve the way we all live, the other 95% are too stupid, fearful and selfish to even bother to consider them..

Humanity gets a huge F in the universal school

WORD TO THEIR MOTHERS
 Quoting: anonymous reality 2272510


Speak for yourself. You couldn't be further from the truth IMHO. The small minority that wants us to believe that tripe certainly are what you say. There are also a number of individuals outside of that realm that are equally challenged and hateful, because they've been taught to think that way since childhood. Many have been saved from this cycle of hatred though (through the good works of others), so the condition certainly isn't permanent. Nonetheless, there are some that will never be saved...they are only here to serve themselves and enhance their power. In the end, however, they will lose all they've saught.

All in all, however, I truly believe that the average human strives to be sincere, loving, helpful and gracious. Yes, there are varying degrees, with a few bad days in between; however, most people want peace and love. But we will fight when those senses are challenged, which is where we find ourselves more and more today.

Unfortunately, we may all have to fight for our survival in a very short time, but I still believe that love and light will eventually shine through it all. When it does, those like us will remain.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 671825


And here is the crux of the matter.

We divide one from an other. And we usually pretend that we don't do it, it doesn't happen, or when it does happen we make an excuse for it.

This goes against a natural process.

Without division there would exist no universe or illusion to perceive.

We do it secretly, quietly, and behind others' backs.

It is natural, but do we nurture this process or try to kill it?
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Synopsis?
 Quoting: Daikirai




I found the above El Hierro thread a little difficult to read.

However, from what i have gleened...of late there has been a lot of seismic activity under the island, parts of the island were evacuated this week due to potential of volcano erupting (last erupted 1790's?). I think as at today the evacuees have been allowed home.

Why people are worried about a potential disaster from this eruption, is due to nearby island La Palma having a fault line or split which, if there were an eruption could cause a massive landslide and tsunami. A tsunami big enough to make it to the US west coast.

I am wondering though, if it is El Hierro that is erupting...to what degree will it effect the fault line of La Palma?
 Quoting: curve


Curve

aren't the canary islands located off the west coast of africa? Are you suggesting the tsunami would cover the entire US to make it to the west coast?
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i see it like a transmutation process.

evryones holding onto something that they think defines them, but unknown to them now, it will be the case of them holding onto an anchor that ties them down.
 Quoting: Gunnz, Lots Of Gunnz 2276516


Yes, and what is "killing" us is probably something very unexpected.

Trying to help the ants, we destroy their livelihood because we do not understand the process.

We invent systems and ways and methods, etc., that we think will help but are really hurting the natural process.

The problem is much more fundamental than it appears to be (of course).
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so i browsed through...
so we all have to choose where to go right? which is soon?

based on my readings, your dream/real world sounds more like a "limbo-world' in the film INCEPTION.

it is kind of scary....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1325985


There is no choice that needs to be made.

In my world we have discovered what you'd call the law of the universe (please, no tomatoes...)

This law is simply that no energy is indepedent of your perspective.

This means that we perceive that which takes the least amount of energy to perceive.

Which means that your experience 'will be' whatever comes next, in a logical sense. (Not logical to you, but logical to all things considered in your reality.)

If you want a new experience then make it logical to get there from where you are.

And if, eventually, that new experience takes less energy than what you had previously, then it will be a part of your reality.

This is the simple explanation, of course. But actually it's all you need because all of the complex things can be represented and worked with as they were simple at their core (which they are).

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