Notes from an "alternate universe": September 29 - October 28. (Do you know what happened at Farpoint Station?)

a) People wont fight for it because because there has been and is enough evidence out there for them to make the changes neccessary however they dont even when they are shown the truth because thats just too hard or too inconvienient .. 95% of humans are too lazy to save themselves .. this information has been around for decades..

and b) fighting for love and peace is completely ridiculous.. you should never have to use a negative to gain a positive.. ever.. and to suggest that we might have to in the future is another point of proof that humanity doesnt deserve the gift they have been given..

Thread: THE SAD TRUTH OF WHY 90% OF PEOPLE WONT WAKE UP!!!!

Remember peoples...


quote [Why should Western civilization be saved?

In helping to answer this question, imagine that your words heavily influence what happens next.

Imagine that you are Captain Jean Luc Picard standing in front of Q at Farpoint Station, and humanity is being put on trial. (Except you are helping to explain why Western civilization should not be destroyed.)

Strangely, your words will decide the "fate" of humanity.] emphasis added

chaol I have a question in the past month I got sometype of fungal infection in my mouth that I thought was thrush but the doctors have no idea what it is, its just makes my tongue white, it has never happened to me in my entire 25 years of life.. I maintain a pretty good diet, excercise and right now I'm trying to eat primarily meat, water, vegetables staying away from any yeast.sugars etc, do you think this has anything to do with the human body becoming more vulnerable and less needed as we start shifting our perceptions

Chaol, if I knew what 'western civilisation' was to be saved from it would help me answer the question.

If civilisation is to be saved from immense trauma and suffering, then I say yes, yes, then all or parts do need to be saved. My children are members of civilisation, how can I condemn them, and all their friends?

OP,

Back in 2007 I dreamed September 23rd would "roll in black clouds" or something terrible was going to happen. I believed it so much, it was scary to me. It felt real, but nothing happened. It pretty much was my awakening moment back then.

Just thought I'd share. Maybe I connected to your world briefly?

Nothing happened on 23th. Thread is invalid.

chaol,

having only discovered your threads 10 minutes ago & having skim read some of this thread and some from one of your links, I found this:

[link to ecsys.org]

can I ask you a question. Why is number 4 missing please?

your threads are very intruiging to say the least. i hope what you say is true as that would be fantastic.

thanks

What is a positive in a universe of perspectives?

Ok Chaol, you have opened a enormous can of worms here. Come back please.

We obviously still require a lil guidance.

What are we to be saved from?

I cannot find it in myself to judge and/or condemn anything or anyone. If we look at civilisation from the big picture perspective, do not the 'bad' things of the world exist purely so we can participate in this illusion? Are they not representations of the illusion of seperation? Grrr...brain/hardware meltdown.

Why do we need to save anything? Can we not change the things we deem as negative to our perspective? Who can say what is negative versus what is not? All I know is what feels more comfortable, what resonates with me, what does not repel me, is what I might call right or positive.

How can I trully know from anothers' perspective what resonates with them until the illusion of seperation ends?

i just had to puke....

I personally don't believe Western Civilization should be saved. If most people can't see what it is responsible for, then they are not looking. Sure there have been good things along the way but the good is not enough to redeem the bad. This is why we are in the situation we are now in.

The problem is people are to frightened to let go of it because they don't know what will replace it. However, it does not matter it is coming down anyway. It is in its death throws.

Why I don't like West. Civ.

1.) WASP & C - appear to believe we are THE RACE and entitled. As such we have decimated the indigenous people throughout the world. The very people whose knowledge we need right now because they knew how to live in balance with nature and we sure as hell don't.

2.) We don't play well with one another. We are fiercely competitive to a gigantic fault. I personally think we would do much better COOPERATING rather than competing.

3.) We have way too many wars. That traumatize us all even if we don't think they do.

4.) Most of us are so superficial talking about anything past the weather or last nights game really taxes us.

5.) We are all on too many meds. because we all have endogenous depression or anxiety. Come on we are so alienated form who we were meant to be that is our real problem. We have compromised ourselves so much we don't know who we really are But since now one can agree on anything we stay stuck.

6.) I could go on but writing this has depressed me and I need to take one of my meds.

Anyway, hopefully you see what I am getting at. The western world will fall because it needs to and it will take everything else with it. So get ready. And don't blame it all on TPTB cause we all played a role, myself included.

thank you op, i know somthing is happening and its picking up speed rapidly, i am aware of the others around me ,i may not be able to see them , but they are here, pure love ,is the only way to describe them, youve mentioned that its our dreams you use to communicate with us??? who was talking to me in my dreams 1980 ,june 2nd-25th, i was being shown a valuble lesson one i have never forgotten , i have known now not to disregard my dreams i also heard that humans born on a certain time frame dec 18-23 have certain abilites . do you know what i am talking about???????????

Thanks, Chaol for opening this discussion up.
Good to find it on the front page.

I continue to find what you write fascinating.

From my point of view, the most interesting on GLP at the moment.

Good to see old friends from the other thread -

Hi, Curve
Hi, Gespenst
Hi, Tuuuuur

As said it's all in your perspective.

I think we, as a civilization, have potential but need a wake up call. I find most to be self absorbed, but during times of catastrophe many put their lives aside to help their fellow citizens. I've seen it time and time again, not just here but globally. I think we all want the same things, but find ourselves stuck in a situation we feel we have no control over and even if we come to see the bars on our cage, it is difficult to step outside the walls of the cage.
I lost my job over a year ago and it was the most freeing experience I have had in many years, where time once again was my own. I decided to return to school and began to learn how the bars came to be in the first place. If people could only realize to what lengths those who hold the power and the wealth have gone to create this reality you would be overwhelmed by the truth of it!
I think we have the potential to do good, to love our fellow human being but within a capitalist system which breeds competition as someone else pointed out and limits and directs our participation the task becomes difficult. Unfortunately, we live in a fear based and materialistic existence where the need to have has become more important than the need to do the right thing, all the time. With out an alternative readily available, short of going back to pre-technology, our lives have been intentionally wrapped up in our current way of living, so it makes it difficult for those of us who would like to live differently to do so.
I believe in the good of all people but few realize that it is simply their choice to live that good life and are caught up in this current reality and do not see the bars on their cage, nor do they see a need to hold those accountable for their grave disservice to humanity in spite of all the contradictions that are right in front of us.
I think all should not suffer the consequences for those crimes committed against humanity by the few, but sometimes the sledge hammer approach is needed to wake people up.
We have the ability to choose at any time to change, but few will desire to change either because they see nothing wrong with how things are going or they feel powerless to do anything about it so they become complacent or try to make the best of a bad situation.
Anyway, I would like to see change for the better, but without enough people desiring the same thing the demand is not there. Should Western Civilization be saved? I would say, if it is in the greatest good of all, then so be it, if it is not then what should happen will! I am ready to make the necessary sacrifices for the good of all but many are not! Does that mean I am willing to die for what I believe, absolutely! I have been humbled to the point of not seeking fulfillment at the expense of others, yet in this world all that I touch has been at the sacrifice of someone else and my heart is torn to know what others suffer so that I might have. But, I too am still trapped within this cage.

So if destruction is necessary than how are we to be saved?

[snips]

What I do understand is; that it is all a matter of perspective, but what I don't quite get is whether or not the language of EC is meant to be one you can use to communicate with other "conscious" beings "aware" of it or is it something only to be used "internally?"

[snips]

So when does the "shaking" begin?

Getting a bit nervous now... ;-)
I notice that I get more emotional on simple things than I normally am.

We need to come together and save ourselves, but most people don't see the need. They don't realize we are on the VERGE.

Discovered Chaol's thread just a couple of days ago. Just wanted to thank him for all the information contained within it and his patience with all the questions asked about the material. What roped me in initially was both the eloquence and unwavering kindness shown to the members of the forum. Kudos.

My vote is a resounding NO for destruction of western society. Simply put, there are too many generous, caring souls stuck here in the mix to wipe us all out indiscriminately. Plenty of us have awakened to the fact that there is more to life than financial success... and that we all play a part in the drama unfolding around the world currently. Living in the US, I am amazed on a daily basis at both the acts of kindness I witness and the self-centered, myopic, racist view of the world that a good portion of the population has. On the whole it's a bit of a schizophrenic environment... duality on steroids.

If the point of all this would be to effectively wake us all up... then, why all the doom? It would be like pushing your child out of bed in the morning onto the ice cold floor. In this grand universe, surely there have been more poetic transitions between experiential vantage points.

Hi again Chaol. I just wanted to say thanks for your website. I'm reading it now, and it actually makes sense to me. I still don't think the western world is worth saving though, at least not as it is now. However, I also acknowledge that this is due to my perception of the "western civilization". Perhaps further reading/action into this new system of thought/perception will help change this.

One thing i do have to say, although the world itself didn't (to my knowledge) get shaken today, I did. Thanks!

FROM SPACEWEATHER.COM:

MERCURY PRESS CONFERENCE: NASA will announce new findings about Mercury during a press conference on Thursday, Sept. 29th. Tune in at 2 pm EDT to find out what the MESSENGER spacecraft has been learning about the innermost planet.
[link to spaceweather.com]

ec is some made up nonsense...dumb little lines and dots...I challenge anyone to use this crap to communicate.... ridiculous

Maybe the 'tremendous amount of energy' that came to Earth from the Sun on September 9th have something to do with the portal...

By the way Wubbo... you would have got 3 karma points for reporting him....

I read the whole thread; now I feel weird as shit.