Notes from an "alternate universe": September 29 - October 28. (Do you know what happened at Farpoint Station?)

I am exploring it. It is the experience that "this" (everything) is all as I will it to be. Yes, it is becoming more apparent and I am working to describe my experience to others, so they can share in it, which has led me to investigate further into just how to gain further understanding. You Chaol have become a centerpeice to my current delusion. :D. We will always doubt the unknown... it just doesn't exist yet(in our current perspective)

Cool thread. Lots of parallels to my recents thoughts/experiences/perceptions. Funny to see other people experiencing life similarly.

Last night I was reading the other Chaol thread for the first time just before going to sleep. This morning my friend (whose house I'm staying at) told me about her dream:

She and a group of people were being spoken to by a seer. This mystic was explaining how a there was an alternate reality that we(they) could visit. If they chose not to, they would be forced to cross the mountains and it would be very risky. In order to cross into this other world, you would have to eat a hair plucked from a brown house cat that had a kind of lion's mane. My friend said that she chose to eat the hair and indeed went to some other place. There she found some of her friends who told her that the seer had decided to try and cross the mountains but didn't make it.
Then my friend realized that she hadn't actually gone into the other world yet but then... I forget how... she did finally cross over to that other world.
In this other world I think she said all the building were like white stucco. She saw a friend of hers talking on a cell phone. Then she realized she had her own cell phone but she dropped it down some stairs. At the bottom of the stairs there were two girls with a kind of brown camera-looking object. My friend tried to casually divert their attention from her phone by complimenting the camera. The two girls were put of by this and pointed the brown device at the phone and disintegrated it. My friend swiped the device from the girls and ran off. She tried using the device on something else (I forget what) and was able to disintegrate it. But then she realized she would reintegrate both that item and her cellphone using the same device. Then she woke up.

I thought it was a funny dream cause its something I would've expected to dream about after reading about "neuronics".

Night before last, I had a dream which manifested itself in waking life thenext morning. So this kind of stuff is on my mind (more than usual).

Anyways... a few questions for the gentleman or lady or hermaphambiguathing (Chaol):

Unu: What is it about people using Ec or "genius" that makes you happy? (re: "glad to help" "you're welcome" and smiley faces)

Two: It seems to me that Ec is a relatively young technology. We have a history of subscribing to new technologies that make life more convenient but also end up creating destructive imbalances in life. Are you concerned that Ec may fit into this paradigm? (If not, I'd love a thorough explanation).

(more in a moment)

A thread of interest: Thread: Calling all Great Minds: A discussion on Reality

It is to discuss reality where anyone on this website can feel free to post and ask, and share their thoughts on reality, the universe, etc.

Enjoy!

Sleep has been difficult for me of late, it has become more common for me to miss an entire nights sleep, with less side effects than I would normally suffer in such circumstances. In fact, I have gleaned so much more of Ec in my sleepless state than at other times. When I do sleep though, I don't want to wake up, though I rarely remember my dreams.

The tremors! Yes, I have had them, and like ThohT, they have concerned me. In retrospect, the night I had them in which they were most extreme was 'coincidently' on Oct 1st. I feel relieved now that there is some explanation for them, I will relax the next time it occurs.

Strange dream-like occurances? Well yes. An example is I was sitting, relaxed, in a vague/day-dreamy state next to a window; in my peripheral vision, I noticed movement, what I saw was an indigo coloured 'swirl of light', surprised I turned to look. My rational mind filled in the blanks and there I saw a bird, a magpie. I love magpies/ravens/currawongs, and they like me, you just have to be kind to one magpie and they all trust you. Even if they are not directly familiar with you, as in they have never seen you before. So, was nice for a magpie to show me that. I notice lots of 'odd things' in my peripheries.

I feel as if I am in a perpetually dreamy state of late. It is a pleasant sensation. But I find it harder to do practical things like running my household, it doesn't seem so relevant anymore.

(Maybe some of these questions have already been asked.)

Sun: In a community that uses Ecsys, what role does myth and ritual play?

Fourtet: In a community that uses Ecsys, what role do universal archetypes play?


Cinco: What role does an artist play in an Ecsys community? (is the artist's role diminished by the fact that the masses have a stronger link to their subconscious?)

66: Do you believe that Ecsys brings people closer to the pleroma? ( [link to en.wikipedia.org]

(as a side, perhaps "person" and "community" in my questions can be replaced with "perspective")

777: Can principles of Ecsys be applied to musical composition?

8: Can the (novice) use of Ecsys lead to death of the user or someone else (unintentional or otherwise)?


From my understanding, using "genius" is similar to a technique in learning how to draw. This technique is to take an image, turn it upside down and cover with another piece of paper. You move the paper down a little bit and attempt to draw the exposed portion of the picture. You repeat this in increments.
This technique helps you to focus on negative space and relations between contours.
While I appreciate the discipline that this teaches, I feel that this technique alone, while it might produce very impressive works of art, can't be expected to create works that resonate with spirit (forgive the abstraction).

Nine: How can Ecsys make my "separateness" more bearable?
Or, how can thinking/using Ecsys be used for spiritual growth?

From ecsys.org: "The Future Is entirely up to you. Your past/present/future is whatever you imagine it to be."

Ultima: Does the above claim suppose that there are not daimons/powers/others who have more influence over my past/present/future than I do?


Enjoy!

Hi Choal,
I'm finding this conversation quite interesting. I would like to know if you have input regarding Alzheimers?" Thank you for any info.

"potential energy with a massive input" would be high possibility, right? so could the output be high logic?



that would mean the input of energy changes the structure of our perspective, hence our "cognitive illusion" changes. perhaps into a higher state? if so, then the structure of the illusion becomes more relative to our perspective and we begin to "see through the illusion". does any of this make sense, chaol?

EDIT:
from a "physical" point of view, i think the energy goes into the (core of the) earth where it changes into matter which then causes the earth to expand. hence, more vulcanic and earthquake activity.

Last Edited by AWinterShadow on 10/10/2011 05:20 AM

I had those trembles, some 20 years ago. At the time I read a lot about OBEs so I thought I knew what they meant, but still I was scared to death when I felt them.

Since then I never had them anymore.

Tensions at home and work make it hard for me to concentrate on this stuff, but I definitely want to.

Oops I forgot to log in when I posted that continuation of questions.

-Breadsticks

I have been taking the train quite a bit lately and I notice that even a few seconds after I doze off I start dreaming. I notice I'm dreaming and wake up. This occurs within only a minute or two. I don't think it's typical to dream that quickly.

There are many times when the dreams turn on as soon as my eyes are closed. It's been that way for a while. I assumed it was the third eye awakening. Very vivid and spectacular dreamscapes as soon as the eyes close. It still happens from time to time now.

Thoht

Chaol,

Is the sun in the 'universe' going to change? Is the way we think changing? Is the energy from the sun changing the way we think?

Thoht

But it's not just dreamscapes, I've had them for quite a while also. I'm referring to dialog and interaction.

Hi.

Yes, I'm sure the tremors can be a bit off-putting sometimes. Especially when we don't know where they come from.

Where do you think these tremors will lead? Anywhere?

May I ask, what does golf represent to you? How do you feel when you play golf? And at what point in your life did you become interested in it?

The oct282011.com website isn't mine.

I have no real understanding of the tremors. I do know that the first time I really noticed them was this month. Sometimes they are like shaking and other times they are like chills. They are there almost all of the time now,.

I assume that the tremors are leading to the merger, so I can experience what I called 'dream physics' earlier and be able to map perception/perspective. Along with the tremors, I have had some thoughts this month that are the most alarming type that I can imagine. I am working to make these thoughts irrelevant. These thoughts can never become reality, and I would see my own existence ended before these thoughts would ever become manifest.

Golf represents challenge, accomplishment, doubt, fun, and most of all self mastery. I feel every sensation under the rainbow when I golf...joy, elation, accomplishment, anger, frustration, helplessness, hope, comfort, anxiousness. I first became interested in golf as a young boy when I would play regularly with my father. I became re-interested in playing golf about 10 years ago and then I became interested in playing well enough to make a living at it over the past 2-3 years and then playing to experience winning $5Million per year for the next 10 years on the PGA Tour as I started working with the Genius for about 6 months or so.

Thoht

Now I remembered how I got those trembles; by doing a focussing technique, where you try to send your attention to every part of your body, starting by the toes, then feet, then ankles, etc.

brother from another mother,

What am I stepping to the other side of?

Where do the tremors come from? What do they mean? Why are they necessary? Will everyone experience them? Where do the tremors lead?

Thank you,

Does anyone notice any dream elements trying to boil to the surface in their field of perspective?

Is there any strange stuff that you perceive that you brush off, thinking "I'm not going crazy, am I?"

When you experience these elements in your waking life (even if a little bit for now), you know that the two worlds are merging.

The question is, are you resisting it or exploring it?


It is very simple OP.

Once october 29 comes and goes,you will be branded just another hoaxer,since you were playing with peoples hopes and dreams,making them hope for something that will not happen this fall.
Your crop circle date references to this month will fall flat on everyone and you will be seen as a BS hoaxer as all the rest.

If not,I will personally take my words back,but we both know that I am right,and nothing of magnitude will be experienced on october 28-29.

So you are really sad for dragging it out,saying itll take another 12 years man. Pff,give me a break.12! years,all the way to 2023.Now THAT is a hoax of hoaxes.

It is very simple OP.

Once october 29 comes and goes,you will be branded just another hoaxer,since you were playing with peoples hopes and dreams,making them hope for something that will not happen this fall.
Your crop circle date references to this month will fall flat on everyone and you will be seen as a BS hoaxer as all the rest.

If not,I will personally take my words back,but we both know that I am right,and nothing of magnitude will be experienced on october 28-29.

So you are really sad for dragging it out,saying itll take another 12 years man. Pff,give me a break.12! years,all the way to 2023.Now THAT is a hoax of hoaxes.



I can see where you are coming from and I appreciate your perspective. Your post will help me to make a point.

When people, including you, come across information from any source, we process the information and decide "this is relative to my experience " or we decide "this is not relative to my experience "... we have a tendency to throw the baby out with the bath water. To dismiss everything Chaol is doing and to focus on what "doesn't " fit is to limit your perspective. Notice where he is right.(to you)

I can see where you are coming from and I appreciate your perspective. Your post will help me to make a point.

When people, including you, come across information from any source, we process the information and decide "this is relative to my experience " or we decide "this is not relative to my experience "... we have a tendency to throw the baby out with the bath water. To dismiss everything Chaol is doing and to focus on what "doesn't " fit is to limit your perspective. Notice where he is right.(to you)

I notice not where he сant be proven wrong,however I focus on where he can be, and thta is the origina lpost he made,a prediction of october 28 being the merging of dream world and our world fully.
He knows very well that no actual shift will happen this month.And he still gave that message and date nad even the cropcircle to back it up saying each circle is a day.

This thread was made on the basis of october 28 and crop circle,the rest is a rant unproven really,and he can speak on it in his other threads,like the oen he made about peopels take on reality.

Anonymous Coward 3076036, may I ask you a more personal question? If not, please do not read any further.

Do you find that you dislike things regularly? Has your life been difficult for you? Do you feel like things are unfair?

If yes, then I would strongly reccomend working to notice why and how even the rediculous, confusing, painful and stupid benefits you. You came across this thread, grabbed on to something that you immediately knew was irrelevant to you and decided you'd point out it's irrelevant. Congrats, youve done well. Now with your goal achieved, look inside and notice how your external concern mirrors your internal concern for yourself. We judge based on our own insecurities and I assure you, as made obvious by this response to you, judging is one of mine. You will het through the issues in your life. Notice that there are no problems, unless you make them.

send me link to the "Genius"

There's no way to answer that, as the question is irrelevant. Meaning, those things do not generally represent "happiness".

Yes, I am glad to help. And, if someone says thank you it is not a stretch for me to say "you're welcome".

:)



What do you consider "a relatively young technology"? 10 years? 50? 100?

I ask because your queries presuppose that Ec is something that has not be made extensive use of.

I'm not sure about what you mean by "destructive imbalances". The term would not apply.

The tremors are directly related to solar activity as we cross over into new physicalities.

I understand how you feel that it is harder to do practical things in your more wakeful state. Hopefully, you'll find out how to balance/manage both "realities" as it progresses.

It is difficult to say what differences in my world are directly because of Ecsys or because of some other happenstance.

We have myths and rituals, but perhaps some of us consider the myths more real than people here normally would.

I would extend the definition of ritual to include just about anything that is done, so I'm not sure how you're using the term.



Can you provide a specific example?



What kind of artist do you mean? Someone that calls themselves "an artist"?



Ecsys is not religiously-oriented, in the traditional sense.



Entirely.

Though it would sound quite different to what you're used to. Perhaps not very appealing.

And it's not something you do consciously. It just happens. But obviously, the principles are there.

Instruments are pretty much the same, however.



No more death than you would see in your dreams.

Destruction, death, etc., has quite a different meaning in my world.

Yes, people "die". However, they have not gone anywhere.

Ecsys can appear to be destructive, of course. But it is perspective which destroys, not Ecsys.

Same as anything else.



The Genius is about mapping one experience, or perspective, to an other.

I'm not sure how that technique related to this, other than the relationship between contours. There is no "space" between perspectives. But we can pretend there are in order to draw the map.

There is actually but one perspective, endlessly divided.



It doesn't do anything directly. That would be up to you.

What do you mean by spiritual growth?



It's said as a matter of convenience where not future actually exists. More accurately, a "now" that cannot be wholly perceived. (And, thus, is perceived as whatever we can perceive at the time.)

There is nothing outside of your perspective to have any influence.

If there are "powers" then those are values in your current perspective.

My apologies for the obscurity of some answers. I feel that sometimes the question could have some terms more defined in order to provide an accurate response.

Sometimes there are parts of our perspective that illustrate the more distant (less relative) of the "now" than others.

Sometimes these parts are illustrated as people, sometimes as animals or strange occurrences, events, etc.

This is not to say that we're gravitating towards them. But they are certainly there.

To a person 'with' that, their reality is logical and coherent. (Although of course there is only you.)

For your reality to be logical and coherent, all values within your reality must also be logical and coherent. (This includes things that you think are not.)

Chaol,

Are you responsible for the oct 28th website? New information recently put on it referencing the imminent merging of dream world with this one etc...

Think there are links to the site on glp's home page currently

Thanks,

N

"potential energy with a massive input" would be high possibility.

You could make the output whatever you wanted it to be. But if it is in the same expression, the output would be neutral possibility, low possibility, high logic, neutral logic, or low logic.

However for this particular "potential energy with a massive input" it would be high logic because it IS the structure of physicality (of this perspective).

You are accurate in saying, <<...that would mean the input of energy changes the structure of our perspective, hence our "cognitive illusion" changes. perhaps into a higher state? if so, then the structure of the illusion becomes more relative to our perspective and we begin to "see through the illusion".>>

You figured it out!

Although this isn't really seeing through the illusion. You'd just be trading one illusion for an other. (Illusion is all there is.)

But it is a very nice illusion :)

From a physical perspective, you've already answered the question in the preceding paragraph. The energy goes to your perspective (e.g., a new value is introduced. And the 'event' is your way of making it logical to what you'd call your subconscious.)