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We are saved by GRACE through FAITH!

 
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We are not saved by works, but we are justified by them. Works shows who belongs to Jesus. Faith saves us, but works justifies us. Without works, faith is dead. Our good works proves our faith, loyalty, and commitment to Jesus Christ because we are devoted to him, and we want to glorify him in all that we do. We can't become part of the body of Christ if we choose not to serve him, to teach, to prophecy, to help others, to give to the poor, and etc.
(James 2:17) So you see, faith by itself isn't enough. Unless it produces good deeds, it is dead and useless.

It was God's grace who gave us the Holy Spirit. It was God's grace who forgaved us for our sins/transgressions. It was God's grace who saw us for our good works and good deeds. Because of God's grace, we as believers believed in him and have faith in him.

Romans 6:15 "What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? Of course not!"

If we obey the law, than his love is made perfect in us. Without faith, it is impossible to please God.

We do not work to be saved. We only work because we are saved. Do you understand?

Through observing the law, no one can be saved, but through obeying the law, our souls will be saved. The law was giving to show mankind that there is sin presented within each and every one of us. Apart from the law/Keeping the Law is like saying that we are not saved by the good deeds we do, or by not obeying the law, but by God's mercy and grace alone. (Romans 10:3) JESUS SAY'S: "For they are ignorant of the righteousness that comes from God while they try to establish their own, and they have not submitted to God's means to obtain righteousness."

READ THIS! Galatians 3:10-12 Those who depend on the law to make them right with God are under his curse, for the Scriptures say, “Cursed is everyone who does not observe and obey all the commands that are written in God’s Book of the Law.” So it is clear that no one can be made right with God by trying to keep the law. For the Scriptures say, “It is through faith that a righteous person has life.” This way of faith is very different from the way of law, which says, “It is through obeying the law that a person has life.”

In that verse, it states that "those who depend on the law to make them right with God are under his curse." It means that if you keep the law, and go apart from the law, than you are under his curse. Like for example. If you go to school so you can learn about the law, and you not using the law to obey the law, but to only remember the law, than that's being apart from the law. You're trying to keep the law rather then to obey the law, and that is an abomination to God. God wants us to Obey the law and not to use the law for teaching purposes. In reality, no one can't remember every single law in the bible, because not all people commit every sins in the law or commit the same exact sins in the law.
1 John 3:4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.

The only way to know that you're committing a sin is if you're going against the law. God made every single one of us out of his image. He set the laws in our hearts so that when we do sin, we will know which sins we are committing because we will feel that conviction from the Holy Spirit whenever we are about to sin. If we ignore the feeling of conviction, than we will cause ourselves to sin. Every sin comes with consequenses. Every sinner who commits a sin will eventually struggle in their sin and every sinner who commits a sin against their love ones will eventually struggle within their relationships/marriages/friendships, etc. When someone sins against us/when someone trespass against us, we tend to feel doubt, disbelief, and distrust towards that person that we once trusted. Without loyalty, faithfulness, and respect for each other, there is no true foundation or true love there. That is why sinners who commit sin will be condemned.

JESUS SAYS: John 14:15 "If you love me, you will obey my commandments."

That is why we need to forgive those who trespass against us, as well as asking the your love ones for forgiveness whenever we do sin against them and against our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. REPENTANCE IS IMPORTANT.

(Ephesians 2:8-9) "For by GRACE you have been saved through FAITH; It is a gift of God; not as a result of WORKS, so that no one may BOAST." God is clearly telling us here that we cannot save ourselves and that no amount of works can save us, but by trusting God alone without having to earn God's trust first, we can be saved through accepting him as our Lord and Savior, and by receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit, we can be made right with God through regeneration/transformation. The Lord wants to transform all of us by the renewing of our minds, which is done by the word and the Spirit.
By renewing your mind, you will be able to resist, discern, rebuke/reprove, and correct. Repentance and being baptized is the first step into receiving the Holy Spirit. By faith, we follow his commandments. By works, we build up the body of Christ when we help other's come to Christ.
(2 Corinthians 12:6) Even if we should choose to boast, we would not be a fool, because we would be speaking the truth. But we refrain, so that no one will think more of us than is warranted by what we do or say.

IN CONCLUSION:
Titus 2:11-14 For the grace of God has been revealed, bringing salvation to all people. And we are instructed to turn from godless living and sinful pleasures. We should live in this evil world with wisdom, righteousness, and devotion to God, while we look forward with hope to that wonderful day when the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, will be revealed. He gave his life to free us from every kind of sin, to cleanse us, and to make us his very own people, totally committed to doing good deeds.

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If you think the bible is actual proof then you are wrong.
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Brother, what do you think of Luke 24? What does your heart say about Jerusalem? Should the work start there, or is it speaking of Jerusalem being the heart; knowing we are witnesses of these things?
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We are not saved by works, but we are justified by them. Works shows who belongs to Jesus. Faith saves us, but works justifies us. Without works, faith is dead. Our good works proves our faith, loyalty, and commitment to Jesus Christ because we are devoted to him, and we want to glorify him in all that we do. We can't become part of the body of Christ if we choose not to serve him, to teach, to prophecy, to help others, to give to the poor, and etc.
(James 2:17) So you see, faith by itself isn't enough. Unless it produces good deeds, it is dead and useless.

It was God's grace who gave us the Holy Spirit. It was God's grace who forgaved us for our sins/transgressions. It was God's grace who saw us for our good works and good deeds. Because of God's grace, we as believers believed in him and have faith in him. If we obey the law, than his love is made perfect in us. Without faith, it is impossible to please God.

We do not work to be saved. We only work because we are saved. Do you understand?

Through observing the law, no one can be saved, but through obeying the law, our souls will be saved. The law was giving to show mankind that there is sin presented within each and every one of us. Apart from the law/Keeping the Law is like saying that we are not saved by the good deeds we do, or by not obeying the law, but by God's mercy and grace alone. (Romans 10:3) JESUS SAY'S: "For they are ignorant of the righteousness that comes from God while they try to establish their own, and they have not submitted to God's means to obtain righteousness."

READ THIS! Galatians 3:10-12 Those who depend on the law to make them right with God are under his curse, for the Scriptures say, “Cursed is everyone who does not observe and obey all the commands that are written in God’s Book of the Law.” So it is clear that no one can be made right with God by trying to keep the law. For the Scriptures say, “It is through faith that a righteous person has life.” This way of faith is very different from the way of law, which says, “It is through obeying the law that a person has life.”

In that verse, it states that "those who depend on the law to make them right with God are under his curse." It means that if you keep the law, and go apart from the law, than you are under his curse. Like for example. If you go to school so you can learn about the law, and you not using the law to obey the law, but to only remember the law, than that's being apart from the law. You're trying to keep the law rather then to obey the law, and that is an abomination to God. God wants us to Obey the law and not to use the law for teaching purposes. In reality, no one can't remember every single law in the bible, because not all people commit every sins in the law or commit the same exact sins in the law.
1 John 3:4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.

The only way to know that you're committing a sin is if you're going against the law. God made every single one of us out of his image. He set the laws in our hearts so that when we do sin, we will know which sins we are committing because we will feel that conviction from the Holy Spirit whenever we are about to sin. If we ignore the feeling of conviction, than we will cause ourselves to sin. Every sin comes with consequenses. Every sinner who commits a sin will eventually struggle in their sin and every sinner who commits a sin against their love ones will eventually struggle within their relationships/marriages/friendships, etc. When someone sins against us/when someone trespass against us, we tend to feel doubt, disbelief, and distrust towards that person that we once trusted. Without loyalty, faithfulness, and respect for each other, there is no true foundation or true love there. That is why sinners who commit sin will be condemned.

JESUS SAYS: John 14:15 "If you love me, you will obey my commandments."

That is why we need to forgive those who trespass against us and we need to ask forgiveness whenever we do sin against our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. REPENTANCE IS IMPORTANT.

(Ephesians 2:8-9) "For by GRACE you have been saved through FAITH; It is a gift of God; not as a result of WORKS, so that no one may BOAST." God is clearly telling us here that we cannot save ourselves and that no amount of works can save us, but by trusting God alone without having to earn God's trust first, we can be saved through accepting him as our Lord and Savior, and by receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit, we can be made right with God through regeneration/transformation. The Lord wants to transform all of us by the renewing of our minds, which is done by the word and the Spirit.
By renewing your mind, you will be able to resist, discern, rebuke/reprove, and correct. Repentance and being baptized is the first step into receiving the Holy Spirit. By faith, we follow his commandments. By works, we build up the body of Christ when we help other's come to Christ.
(2 Corinthians 12:6) Even if we should choose to boast, we would not be a fool, because we would be speaking the truth. But we refrain, so that no one will think more of us than is warranted by what we do or say.

IN CONCLUSION:
Titus 2:11-14 For the grace of God has been revealed, bringing salvation to all people. And we are instructed to turn from godless living and sinful pleasures. We should live in this evil world with wisdom, righteousness, and devotion to God, while we look forward with hope to that wonderful day when the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, will be revealed. He gave his life to free us from every kind of sin, to cleanse us, and to make us his very own people, totally committed to doing good deeds.
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AMEN, A 1,OOO TIMES AMEN!!!!!

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I love seafood.

Therefore I am DOOMED.

I also love bacon.

God is going to torture me alive in satanic flames forever because I love bacon.

What a mature sensible loving compassionate example setting God we have eh?
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another religitard thread... never get tired of these. 1doh1

Jebus and Gawd are gonna saveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee us all if we believe in them. Never mind that, if they did actually exist as omniscient and omnipotent entities, they would be the ones allowing us to be in the all of the shit they are suppose to save us from.

Bibletards... please go away.
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Anti-Mormon trolling yawn
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A clone cannot know it is a clone.
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A clone cannot know it is a clone.
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And a total fucking RETARD never works it out that its a TOTAL FUCKING RETARD no matter HOW many times they are wrong.

..so long as they have a "Thus saith the LORD" backing them up they will always be FUCKING RETARDS because EVERY ONE of them who ever used this phrase has been WRONG.
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A clone cannot know it is a clone.
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And a total fucking RETARD never works it out that its a TOTAL FUCKING RETARD no matter HOW many times they are wrong.

..so long as they have a "Thus saith the LORD" backing them up they will always be FUCKING RETARDS because EVERY ONE of them who ever used this phrase has been WRONG.
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This.
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A clone cannot know it is a clone.
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And a total fucking RETARD never works it out that its a TOTAL FUCKING RETARD no matter HOW many times they are wrong.

..so long as they have a "Thus saith the LORD" backing them up they will always be FUCKING RETARDS because EVERY ONE of them who ever used this phrase has been WRONG.
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LOL. I was being a bit more diplomatic, but so much for that.


Indeed, these clones are backed by the book they wrote about god in which they say god wrote it and so it has to be true - and they see no problem with that.


They are, from beginning to end, pretty damn stupid.
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The bible is the word of GOD for our understanding. The gates of hell shell not prevail against it. The LORD'S grace is hard for many to understand, to be given such a gift, free of charge, paid in full, for a perverse generation this just can't be believed by some. FAITH in JESUS CHRIST is for all, just accept it and BELIEVE. Enter into GOD'S rest and thank HIM.
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A clone cannot know it is a clone.
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....IF a clone can know anything, then it must be able to know it's a clone...unless you're confusing self-aware with general knowledge...IF I know I was a clone,that does not alter my cloneness..
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"I love seafood. Therefore I am DOOMED.I also love bacon.
God is going to torture me alive in satanic flames forever because I love bacon.

What a mature sensible loving compassionate example setting God we have eh?"
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It seems you have chosen Bacon and Seafood over Eternal Life
Not sure you made the Right Choice there ;)

You don't have to worry about being Tortured alive Forever
That's a Lie that the Catholic Church teaches
(so they can get purgatory money from your loved ones)

You are Correct a Loving God wouldn't want you to Burn forever just because you ate Bacon Most People are not that Gullible to think God would PUNISH them like that.

However those who reject Gods Love will be Destroyed
in the lake of fire after the Judgement
The More Sin's the more Burning

Can you see why Jesus would want to save you from that?

I can ;)
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We are not saved by works, but we are justified by them. Works shows who belongs to Jesus. Faith saves us, but works justifies us. Without works, faith is dead. Our good works proves our faith, loyalty, and commitment to Jesus Christ because we are devoted to him, and we want to glorify him in all that we do. We can't become part of the body of Christ if we choose not to serve him, to teach, to prophecy, to help others, to give to the poor, and etc.
(James 2:17) So you see, faith by itself isn't enough. Unless it produces good deeds, it is dead and useless.

It was God's grace who gave us the Holy Spirit. It was God's grace who forgaved us for our sins/transgressions. It was God's grace who saw us for our good works and good deeds. Because of God's grace, we as believers believed in him and have faith in him. If we obey the law, than his love is made perfect in us. Without faith, it is impossible to please God.

We do not work to be saved. We only work because we are saved. Do you understand?

Through observing the law, no one can be saved, but through obeying the law, our souls will be saved. The law was giving to show mankind that there is sin presented within each and every one of us. Apart from the law/Keeping the Law is like saying that we are not saved by the good deeds we do, or by not obeying the law, but by God's mercy and grace alone. (Romans 10:3) JESUS SAY'S: "For they are ignorant of the righteousness that comes from God while they try to establish their own, and they have not submitted to God's means to obtain righteousness."

READ THIS! Galatians 3:10-12 Those who depend on the law to make them right with God are under his curse, for the Scriptures say, “Cursed is everyone who does not observe and obey all the commands that are written in God’s Book of the Law.” So it is clear that no one can be made right with God by trying to keep the law. For the Scriptures say, “It is through faith that a righteous person has life.” This way of faith is very different from the way of law, which says, “It is through obeying the law that a person has life.”

In that verse, it states that "those who depend on the law to make them right with God are under his curse." It means that if you keep the law, and go apart from the law, than you are under his curse. Like for example. If you go to school so you can learn about the law, and you not using the law to obey the law, but to only remember the law, than that's being apart from the law. You're trying to keep the law rather then to obey the law, and that is an abomination to God. God wants us to Obey the law and not to use the law for teaching purposes. In reality, no one can't remember every single law in the bible, because not all people commit every sins in the law or commit the same exact sins in the law.
1 John 3:4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.

The only way to know that you're committing a sin is if you're going against the law. God made every single one of us out of his image. He set the laws in our hearts so that when we do sin, we will know which sins we are committing because we will feel that conviction from the Holy Spirit whenever we are about to sin. If we ignore the feeling of conviction, than we will cause ourselves to sin. Every sin comes with consequenses. Every sinner who commits a sin will eventually struggle in their sin and every sinner who commits a sin against their love ones will eventually struggle within their relationships/marriages/friendships, etc. When someone sins against us/when someone trespass against us, we tend to feel doubt, disbelief, and distrust towards that person that we once trusted. Without loyalty, faithfulness, and respect for each other, there is no true foundation or true love there. That is why sinners who commit sin will be condemned.

JESUS SAYS: John 14:15 "If you love me, you will obey my commandments."

That is why we need to forgive those who trespass against us and we need to ask forgiveness whenever we do sin against our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. REPENTANCE IS IMPORTANT.

(Ephesians 2:8-9) "For by GRACE you have been saved through FAITH; It is a gift of God; not as a result of WORKS, so that no one may BOAST." God is clearly telling us here that we cannot save ourselves and that no amount of works can save us, but by trusting God alone without having to earn God's trust first, we can be saved through accepting him as our Lord and Savior, and by receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit, we can be made right with God through regeneration/transformation. The Lord wants to transform all of us by the renewing of our minds, which is done by the word and the Spirit.
By renewing your mind, you will be able to resist, discern, rebuke/reprove, and correct. Repentance and being baptized is the first step into receiving the Holy Spirit. By faith, we follow his commandments. By works, we build up the body of Christ when we help other's come to Christ.
(2 Corinthians 12:6) Even if we should choose to boast, we would not be a fool, because we would be speaking the truth. But we refrain, so that no one will think more of us than is warranted by what we do or say.

IN CONCLUSION:
Titus 2:11-14 For the grace of God has been revealed, bringing salvation to all people. And we are instructed to turn from godless living and sinful pleasures. We should live in this evil world with wisdom, righteousness, and devotion to God, while we look forward with hope to that wonderful day when the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, will be revealed. He gave his life to free us from every kind of sin, to cleanse us, and to make us his very own people, totally committed to doing good deeds.
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Grace is a fantasy concocted by man. There is nothing to be saved from besides your own conjecture that there is.

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A clone cannot know it is a clone.
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And a total fucking RETARD never works it out that its a TOTAL FUCKING RETARD no matter HOW many times they are wrong.

..so long as they have a "Thus saith the LORD" backing them up they will always be FUCKING RETARDS because EVERY ONE of them who ever used this phrase has been WRONG.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2345757





LOL. I was being a bit more diplomatic, but so much for that.


Indeed, these clones are backed by the book they wrote about god in which they say god wrote it and so it has to be true - and they see no problem with that.


They are, from beginning to end, pretty damn stupid.
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No, it's the opposite. You are the foolish ones - thinking it's impossible for God to inspire a Holy Book without Error and Preverve it for mankind to know him.

Duh, He's God - Nothing's impossible with him!

If He said He inspired his Word and it will never pass away, then that's what He did, We christians Belive Him! SIMPLE


Here's a site for you to camp out at.hf

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A clone cannot know it is a clone.
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And a total fucking RETARD never works it out that its a TOTAL FUCKING RETARD no matter HOW many times they are wrong.

..so long as they have a "Thus saith the LORD" backing them up they will always be FUCKING RETARDS because EVERY ONE of them who ever used this phrase has been WRONG.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2345757





LOL. I was being a bit more diplomatic, but so much for that.


Indeed, these clones are backed by the book they wrote about god in which they say god wrote it and so it has to be true - and they see no problem with that.


They are, from beginning to end, pretty damn stupid.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1323894


No, it's the opposite. You are the foolish ones - thinking it's impossible for God to inspire a Holy Book without Error and Preverve it for mankind to know him.

Duh, He's God - Nothing's impossible with him!

If He said He inspired his Word and it will never pass away, then that's what He did, We christians Belive Him! SIMPLE


Here's a site for you to camp out at.hf

[link to www.godandscience.org]
 Quoting: Morganite




A child has no perspective as they are a child and cannot realize how their perspective(or lack thereof) makes them a child. And just as a child, they get one thing for certain in their heads and suddenly the whole world revolves around it. YOU are a child. You cannot appreciate or know you are a child. Your truth is simple, as even a child can easily understand it - which should be your first clue that it is the product of simple minds - but you don't get it - because you are a child. You are in spiritual pre-kindergarten. You think you have found the keys to nirvana and you aren't even near the ballpark. You haven't made it into school yet. But as a child you will never, ever, shut up. You command center stage and all the attention because you have the "truth" on your side and you aren't shy about shouting it from the rooftops - again, which is what children do.
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You are saved by grace after learning obedience with some non-serious errors in obedience here and there.

Some flaws are tolerated as long as we keep them in our past.

That is grace. It is not a license to continue in behaviors which are a violation of scriptural law.
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I love seafood.

Therefore I am DOOMED.

I also love bacon.

God is going to torture me alive in satanic flames forever because I love bacon.

What a mature sensible loving compassionate example setting God we have eh?
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Shows how much you truly do not understand God or the bible
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Truth is the new hate speech in our age of absurdity-Ted Nougat

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another religitard thread... never get tired of these. 1doh1

Jebus and Gawd are gonna saveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee us all if we believe in them. Never mind that, if they did actually exist as omniscient and omnipotent entities, they would be the ones allowing us to be in the all of the shit they are suppose to save us from.

Bibletards... please go away.
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I will not go away, get over it
Life is tough, but its tougher when you're stupid. -john wayne

Truth is the new hate speech in our age of absurdity-Ted Nougat

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"I love seafood. Therefore I am DOOMED.I also love bacon.
God is going to torture me alive in satanic flames forever because I love bacon.

What a mature sensible loving compassionate example setting God we have eh?"
-------------------------------------------------------------​
It seems you have chosen Bacon and Seafood over Eternal Life
Not sure you made the Right Choice there ;)

You don't have to worry about being Tortured alive Forever
That's a Lie that the Catholic Church teaches
(so they can get purgatory money from your loved ones)

You are Correct a Loving God wouldn't want you to Burn forever just because you ate Bacon Most People are not that Gullible to think God would PUNISH them like that.

However those who reject Gods Love will be Destroyed
in the lake of fire after the Judgement
The More Sin's the more Burning

Can you see why Jesus would want to save you from that?

I can ;)
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Why would he CREATE a place of painful and certain DOOM to SAVE everyone from??

Why go to all that trouble??

Does he have a fire/torture/agony fetish or something??

He seems to LOVE pain and misery.

Why not just let an evil person just die as an animal dies..just..dead..gone..dust.

Why create a place to roast them to death in agony?

WHY??

Is his sense of justice NOT satisfied UNLESS he gets to torture sinners FIRST?

What sort of a vengeful neurotic sadistic God do we have anyway?

Only a LOON would set up a system like this..to create a place of torture and death to save people from.
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Re: We are saved by GRACE through FAITH!
save us from yhwh
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Re: We are saved by GRACE through FAITH!
Of course, when doom does happen, then god works in mysterious ways. Always got their buts covered for any event.
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Re: We are saved by GRACE through FAITH!
faith, grace and belief in a religion has never saved anyone(~) it takes a relationship with Our Creator to be saved(~)

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We get the powers over us that we've earned collectively. Humanity, as a whole, is self-interested, shallow, ignorant, violent and immoral; small wonder, therefore, that our leaders (secret or otherwise) reflect that. You want better leaders, become better people.

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Of course, when doom does happen, then god works in mysterious ways. Always got their buts covered for any event.
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Anyone who wants to deny God can COME AT ME. You can blah blah blah what you dont understand behind your keyboard but in the end, and Ive seen it before a hundred times, those who believe with the whole heart, cant be touched and recieve what they need. So come get some. Stop whining and put your money where your mouth is. I see no one proving Him wrong. Where is your proof, where is your defense? Man? Science? Please. You smack talk what you dont understand.
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cant believe i get to be first

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Anyone who wants to deny God can COME AT ME. You can blah blah blah what you dont understand behind your keyboard but in the end, and Ive seen it before a hundred times, those who believe with the whole heart, cant be touched and recieve what they need. So come get some. Stop whining and put your money where your mouth is. I see no one proving Him wrong. Where is your proof, where is your defense? Man? Science? Please. You smack talk what you dont understand.
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now that is the christian spirit
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O the irony that 2 Billion Christians ignore what Jesus taught, and ignore what the Maker taught, in favor of Paul of Tarsus.

THE WELL KNOWN HISTORICAL ENEMY OF JESUS AND HIS MOVEMENT! THIS ASSHOLE EVEN TELLS YOU IN HIS LETTERS HE PREACHES ANOTHER GOSPEL AS HE BAD MOUTHS THE REAL APOSTLES! HE EVEN THREATENS TO KILL THE CORINTHIANS FOR ASKING FOR PROOF THAT JESUS SPEAKS IN HIM AFTER THE SUPER APOSTLES VISIT!

You christians truly are the most deceived people on planet earth. And the reality of the matter is that JESUS EVEN WARNED YOU THAT THE WAY WAS SMALL AND NARROW AND FEW WOULD FIND IT! Yet you never equate that with your religion which is the biggest on earth.

Op I truly hope you and the other christians in this thread wake up.

I might suggest you christians start with a read of the freeonline book

Jesus Words Only.

[link to www.jesuswordsonly.com]
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Anyone who wants to deny God can COME AT ME. You can blah blah blah what you dont understand behind your keyboard but in the end, and Ive seen it before a hundred times, those who believe with the whole heart, cant be touched and recieve what they need. So come get some. Stop whining and put your money where your mouth is. I see no one proving Him wrong. Where is your proof, where is your defense? Man? Science? Please. You smack talk what you dont understand.
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have at you! aaa


durrrriwishiwishiwishiwishiwishgod was real

now if you don't mind, JC and i are skipping vespers to stoner
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