"Something" happened after Sep 27 (the "Elenin doom fail" day)

here , I will help



Nothing happened.. I'll never trust another human again.. it was all lies, all hype.. FTW!

1. No not trolling

2. Yes the exist and have been observed and recorded.

3. ELEnin is a variant. It is a variant because of it's small size.

Very serious.

So serious our Earths axis has shifted twice while intersecting the neutrino power field cuasing thousands of deaths.

There is no BS to what you say...

You should say our Sun is changing without an external reason? More argument in 1st page

Last Edited by Geophysical Events on 09/30/2011 10:59 PM

That's a good post, and if you have to 'kiss-ass' for good Karma points, then you are not being true to yourself.

'To thine own self be true'.

Thankyou for being you.

Thankyou for being an individual, instead of a stupid robot GLP karma person.

You have your priorities straight, and that being done, you are now able to grow where your planted, to grow out of your 'inside',.. not trying to people please. But just projecting out of 'truth'.

I forgot to put quotes around the above response and who said it ,. But seriously dude a " neutron star " what are you 5 years old ?

Think about what a mass that larger would do to our planets orbits this close . That has to be the most ridiculous one I have heard yet . I mean a brown dwarf this close without serious effects even even laughable , BUT A NEUTRON STAR !!!!!!! . LOL

I forgot to add in the last post as well . that comets have been observed to emit electromagnetic energy before such as radio waves and gamma rays, and this is even predicted by various plasma cosmologists . Comets are like giant diodes when they are long period. They absorb all kinds of electromagnetic energy from the cosmic background in deep space . What do you think holds that huge coma onto the nucleus ???? Gravity from something that small ??? How does a 1km square object hold a coma larger than Jupiter like many have ????? an electro-magnetic field that is how ... Hence where the emissions are also generated . Many are composed of conductive elements

Ok let me give you a little lesson in neutron stars, you think you can throw out a word like " variant" for something that is very mathematically precise and have it support a ridiculous hypothethis , I am sorry for you you are not trolling .


basically what the following jibberish mean is according to the Chandrasekhar limit , your variant cannot exits mathematically . It is impossible according to the mechanics that govern neutron stars and their very existence. find a new object . Because common sense aside(which is bad enough all on its own) This just sounds ridiculous to anyone who knows even a little bit about what a neutron star is and how they are formed .


The minimum and maximum mass of protoneutron stars and neutron stars are investigated. The hot dense matter is described by relativistic (including hyperons) and non-relativistic equations of state. We show that the minimum mass ($\sim$ 0.88 - 1.28 $M_{\sun}$) of a neutron star is determined by the earliest stage of its evolution and is nearly unaffected by the presence of hyperons. The maximum mass of a neutron star is limited by the protoneutron star or hot neutron star stage. Further we find that the delayed collapse of a neutron star into a black hole during deleptonization is not only possible for equations of state with softening components, as for instance, hyperons, meson condensates etc., but also for neutron stars with a pure nucleonic-leptonic equation of state.

Thanks. Actually I also like good Karma before, but I don't need it anymore. I know 90% people are tired of the Elenin "crap" and won't pay more attention to it.

If you can still see this thread. Please check the wiki article copied by Julez Edward in page 4. It is important.

The geological changes of Elenin already happened. Now it's not important whether Elenin is real or not. What's important is watching the Canary Islands.

[link to www.astro.umd.edu]

If you cannot follow that , which basically says since it takes a star to form a neutron star you need at least the starting mass etc. Most would say around 1.4 solar masses for a lower limit according to the Chandrasekhar limit, which you are completely ignoring(among other things) You are obviously not a scientifically minded person. Because this really is ridiculous.
I was thinking about how you could get a smaller mass neutron star, and there is one possible way. By making it a pulsar . Since the radius is supposed to be large, the electro-magnetic field calculated for spin-down should be lower than that required by the magnetar model. Thus the Chandrasekhar limit can be lowered .But the mass is still wayyyyyyyy to large to be in the middle of our solar system without seriously and violently disturbing things, not to mention what a pulsar would do to us, I think we can all agree Elenin is not a smaller mass pulsar. Of course maybe you cannot after regarding hat we are discussing now .

Here check this out mr neutron star, you really need to watch this. [link to www.youtube.com]


A little schooling on plasma cosmology ,



I am actually arguing with a a guy about physics and cosmology that doesn't even know black holes are theories and so are neutron stars and have never been " directly observed ". 'sigh' I gave this site a chance.
You are the type that sees science headlines and takes them literally, instead of reading between the lines.
I hate to break it to you but half the stuff in the standard model has never been observed and most observations betray the predictions. It has seriously problems. They have observed what they think is a black hole eating a star , but in fact it could be something else altogether, and when you understand the entire picture you see how much of a strawman argument the physicists are making for them

Nice work. u have done good research

I know I'm soliciting 100 BS flag

you right, here you go

I need to collect 80 more flags.

But now I think Elenin is real, and Astromut is proven wrong.

Read the first page again.

Last Edited by Geophysical Events on 10/01/2011 05:37 AM

No. Elenin is not a neutron star or a variant as you insist. There is not such thing as a neutron star variant. Elenin is a very small comet.

The Sun is the largest source of neutrinos around but neutrinos interact extremely weakly with ordinary matter.

[link to cupp.oulu.fi]

This shows the reactions inside the Sun that produce neutrinos.

[link to www.sns.ias.edu]

There are trillions of these reactions every second yet on Earth all we can detect is about 80 per day

[link to math.ucr.edu]

Movies are not reality.

Comets emit radio frequency. That is how the OH molecule is detected in comets.

[link to meetingorganizer.copernicus.org]

Neutron stars are not pre-blackholes. Neutron stars do not have enough mass to become a blackhole or else they would be blackholes. Neutron stars are supported by neutron degeneracy.

To say there is no such thing as a NSV (neutron star variant) is hilarious.

The word "variant" means:

obsolete : variable
2: manifesting variety, deviation, or disagreement
3: varying usually slightly from the standard form <variant readings> <variant spellings>

So to say there is no such thing is saying that all neutron stars are 100% alike.

That statement alone is to say there is "no such thing as a variant" shows your lack of understanding of the universe.

You may also be suprised to know the Earth is not the center of the solar system and the Earth is also not flat (both theories at one time were standard accepted facts of science by the way)

Look out....come November 22nd - 23rd - 24th - 25th my theory will be proven true.

Hilarious is you making up terms and thinking they can mean something. All you are doing is engaging in equivocation errors. Variant also means; not agreeing or conforming; differing, especially from something of the same general kind.

The biggest differences in neutron stars are their rates of spin and their range in mass. There is nothing in the astronomical community called "neutron star variant". They are simply called neutron stars and Elenin is not one.

Neutron stars are defined above 1.4 solar masses. However, the definition is not arbitrary, there are physical reasons for that limit. White dwarfs are supported from collapse by electron degeneracy. Neutron stars are supported from collapse by neutron degeneracy. A "neutron star" below 1.4 solar masses (the white dwarf Chandrasekhar limit) would expand by the internal pressure from neutron decay. Such a star would expand to the size of a white dwarf.

Above the Tolman–Oppenheimer–Volkoff limit (which really isn't well defined because of unknowns in the equation of state) neutron degeneracy could not support the weight. It would become a black hole or, for the lower mass stars, could possibly become quark star (if such things exist) supported by quark degeneracy.

However, using your definition, you are a homo sapien variant.

The alignment was closest on Sep 26, not 27. At about 18:30 at 1.91 degrees.

The time was closer to 00:00 UT on 9-27 than at 00:00 UT on 9-26, and people using the defaults on the JPL diagram were comparing those two dates.

Using

2011-Sep-26 18:00 1.9084
2011-Sep-26 18:30 1.9078
2011-Sep-26 19:00 1.9087

JPL Horizons output.

Thanks, I'll correct it. The key is the Sun, not the exact geometrical position. X-class on Sep 24, CME hit Earth on Sep 26.

Besides, X-class on Mar 9, the Tohoku Earthquake on Mar 11

The mechanism between solar activities and geological activities is unknown. I don't know how to explain the timing.

^^I like it and using it for my own^^

[link to i.imgur.com]

Just remember, the doom squad only has to be right once. The BS squad has to be right all of the time. Doom!!!!!!!!

ELEnin is still very much intact and powerful.

ELEnin I speculate is NOT a comet but a NSV or a Neutron Star Variant.

The small size is what makes ELEnin a "variant".

Definition of the word "Variant"

Definition of VARIANT
1: variable
2: manifesting variety, deviation, or disagreement
3: varying usually slightly from the standard form <variant readings> <variant spellings>

What makes ELEnin a Neutron Star VARIANT is it's VERY small size.

It is because of this variation in size that ELEnin does not destroy our solar system as it enters and exits..BUT it IS of sufficiant size to cause the observed changes on Earth and the other planet as it passes.

Comets brighten when they approach the Sun...ELEnin did not.

Comets contain water.....ELEnin does not.

Neutron Stars emit radio signals...ELEnin does.

Therefore evidence would lead to the conclusion that ELEnin is not a comet but a Neutron Star Variant.

Now this NSV ELEnin is in fact our Suns binary twin and comes into our system like clock work every few thousand years and when it does it causes massive Earth changes and near extinction events on Earth and at times has caused the onset of Ice ages.

Now it is the energetic connection between NSV ELEnin and our Sun that is the problem.


You can imagine this energetic and active connection as an channel or cord of pure energy.

When ever in the recent past as ELEnin approached our Sun the Earths orbit intersected this energy channel between ELEnin and our Sun was when we witnessed massive quakes and 2 recorded shifts of the Earth' axis.

What people are missing right now is the fact that the Earth is NOT intersecting this massive energy connection between the object ELEnin and the Sun but in fact the Earth is on the OUTSIDE of the two bodies and therefore we have not intersected this energy channel as we have in the past events.

This fact that we are now on the outside of the ELEnin and Sun alignment explains why we are lucky to have no major tectonic events at this time.

Now does this mean we are out of the clear?

No.

Why?

Because we have some pending ELEnin alignments to be watchful of.

Watch dates:

October 17th -18th -19 - 20th

Neutron Star ELEnin at Earth orbit and nearest position. 0.232 AU from Earth @ 21.57 million miles. This could be a problem as the speed of ELEnin may have slowed putting its position much closer to Earth at that time...we will just have to see.

November 3rd - 4th - 5th - 6th - 7th

Earth passes through the tail area of Neutron Star ELEnin. Anticipated fireballs and meteor impacts. We are seeing a lot of this now and I am sure it will get worse as these dates are upon us.

November 22nd - 23rd - 24th - 25th

Here is the BIG DANGER!

Neutron Star ELEnin, Earth and Sun alignment with Earth intersecting the power energetic power connection between ELEnin and the Sun.

At that time not only will we be between the ELEnin and the Sun but it will be the closest alignment between the 3 we have ever seen and the result may be a MASSIVE transfer of energetic power resulting in MASSIVE Earth changes.

This energetic interaction between ELEnin which is a NSV or Neutron Star Variant and our Sun is a constant energetic exchange between the two is the transfer of NEUTRINOS.

It is when Earth aligns between the two bodies, one being ELEnin and the other our Sun, that the Earth is drenched within this flow of energetic neutrinos that activates the effects noted of tectonic movement, volcanic eruption and magnetosphere disruption.

This current alignment of this week has the Earth on the OUTSIDE of the two bodies and therefore we have not intersected this intergetic line of neutrino exchange and because we have not we see near zero geophysical changes.

As you can see the next time we intersect this active neutrino line of transfer will be the week of November 22nd - 23rd - 24th - 25th and this time we will be in the closest alignment observed by modern man.
As I said above Neutron Star Variant ELEnin is our Suns Binary twin.

"Binary neutron starsAbout 5% of all neutron stars are members of a binary system The formation and evolution scenario of binary neutron stars is a rather exotic and complicated process.[30] The companion stars may be either ordinary stars, white dwarfs or other neutron stars. According to modern theories of binary evolution it is expected that neutron stars also exist in binary systems with black hole companions. Such binaries are expected to be prime sources for emitting gravitational waves. Neutron stars in binary systems often emit X-rays which is caused by the heating of material (gas) accreted from the companion star. Material from the outer layers of a (bloated) companion star is sucked towards the neutron star as a result of its very strong gravitational field. As a result of this process binary neutron stars may also coalesce into black holes if the accretion of mass takes place under extreme conditions."

Also stated above Neutron Stars emit...NEUTRINOS!

"A neutron star is a type of stellar remnant that can result from the gravitational collapse of a massive star during a Type II, Type Ib or Type Ic supernova event. Such stars are composed almost entirely of neutrons, which are subatomic particles without electrical charge and with a slightly larger mass than protons."

Also as I noted above ELEnin is emitting radio signals!

This is a signature of Neutron Stars!

"Neutron stars have been observed to "pulse" radio and x-ray emissions believed to be caused by particle acceleration near the magnetic poles, which need not be aligned with the rotation axis of the star. Through mechanisms not yet entirely understood, these particles produce coherent beams of radio emission"

A Day without DOOM is boring as Hell.

Here's the thing...

While I believe that we do need to be watching what is going on in the Canary Islands and that there is definitely potential for a tsunami...

There was an eruption in the 1700's that DIDN'T cause one.

The odds of it happening are astronomical (no pun intended) and though it should be watched as a potential "worst case scenario," I'm going to go with history.

Maybe it is easy for me to say because I don't live on any coasts. :o)

Yeah, something happenned.


this:

is it elenin who knows?
but there is something going on.
look at the string of sun spots all seem to line up oddly close to the solar equator.
[link to sidc.oma.be]
this is a fact.
if you have the time look at this data on just solar flares from feb 2002 to present.
[link to hesperia.gsfc.nasa.gov]
wait for it to load it take a couple minutes.

we have as of now had more 6.0 earthquakes this year then the last 10 years.
[link to quakewatch.wordpress.com]
we are on the way to the most 4.0 + earthquakes in 50 decades.
here is the history back to 1900
[link to www.johnstonsarchive.net]
this is today
here you do the search.
[link to quake.geo.berkeley.edu]

who knows why or what is the cause?
there is something happening!
remeber the whole 2012 thing is more then the Mayans. how many ancient cultures talk about this? there is a new age coming. we as a solar system are entering into the age of Aquarius. this is scientific truth. look to the stars. this is not just our sun or solar system, or even the milkyway. this is universal! there are powers in this universe we know nothing about.

as i have said before, "If we took all of human's knowlege of the universe it would be a mere grain of sand in the ocean."

Ninja ele....nobody knows untill it hits
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