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Is America Dying??

 
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This quotation is from Sir Alex Fraser Tytler (1742-1813). A Scottish jurist and historian, he was widely known in his time and was professor of history at Edinburgh University in the late 18th century.


The quotation is from the 1801 collection of his lectures:


"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess from the public treasury. From that time on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the results that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.

The average age of the world's great civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence:


From bondage to spiritual faith;

from spiritual faith to great courage;

from courage to liberty;

from liberty to abundance;

from abundance to selfishness;

from selfishness to complacency;

from complacency to apathy;

from apathy to dependence;

from dependency back again into bondage."


WHERE ARE WE TODAY ? ? ?


Complacency: quiet satisfaction, contentment, self-satisfaction, smugness

Apathy:
lack of emotion, lack of interest, listless, indifference
7 Billion people on the planet!
That's a BIG number!
And I am one.
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America isn't dying, the world is. :\
“Saying one government is better than another government because one only killed 10 million, as opposed to 100 million is absolute insanity.” - Shingen.

"You can't live in a happy and carefree world and have freedom while you are trying to impose your will onto others." - Anonymous Coward.
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Dying ... Some might argue that America is already dead with a myriad of different dates and times while other stare at the old TV or facebook + other social networks and in blissful ignorance.
 Quoting: aSlowClock


OTHERS= majority
 Quoting: <<exploitive_deleted


I think that the reason that the majority would rather watch TV, or browse FaceBook or other social networks, is because they're scared.

I told a former girlfriend about many of the things that I know about what has happened, and what may happen in the near future, and she told me "STOP!" Then she said she was scared and didn't hear it. She said she would rather be like an ostrich with her head in the sand than to face the reality of anything I was telling her. She said that she knew that I AM right, and that was scaring her.

I think this "majority" that you're talking about is like a deer in the middle of the road at night when it sees the headlights of a car coming at it. It'll get SO scared, it'll just freeze and stand there, until the car crashes into it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1069180


I agree!!!
BUT
WHY?
Is this flat out proof that the 'human' would rather
curl up and die before exercising their own free will to survive, under ANY circumstances.?
LAW OF MAN
SURVIVE
SELF PRESERVATION

Technology (FB, Tv, ect.) is a distraction from 'mans' actual 'mission'
*"Imagination does not breed insanity, but reason. Artists and poets rarely
go crazy"*
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Oblivion does not equal happiness
it only furthers our journey to the "end"
*"Imagination does not breed insanity, but reason. Artists and poets rarely
go crazy"*
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America isn't dying, the world is. :\
 Quoting: Reikara


america is the backbone of the world, it's only dying because it's becoming paralyzed
*"Imagination does not breed insanity, but reason. Artists and poets rarely
go crazy"*
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This quotation is from Sir Alex Fraser Tytler (1742-1813). A Scottish jurist and historian, he was widely known in his time and was professor of history at Edinburgh University in the late 18th century.


The quotation is from the 1801 collection of his lectures:


"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess from the public treasury. From that time on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the results that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.

The average age of the world's great civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence:


From bondage to spiritual faith;

from spiritual faith to great courage;

from courage to liberty;

from liberty to abundance;

from abundance to selfishness;

from selfishness to complacency;

from complacency to apathy;

from apathy to dependence;

from dependency back again into bondage."


WHERE ARE WE TODAY ? ? ?


Complacency: quiet satisfaction, contentment, self-satisfaction, smugness

Apathy:
lack of emotion, lack of interest, listless, indifference
 Quoting: We Who Watch


I'd most definitely say we are directly in the middle of self- satisfaction and lack of emotion, hmmmmm.
what's to come with lack of interest???
*"Imagination does not breed insanity, but reason. Artists and poets rarely
go crazy"*
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There is no link
There are no experts
My uncle is a crackhead
I hate tomatoes
I never "shin any pit"
...... and I've been thinking..


I ask family, co-workers, friends, " what do you know about the constitution"?
Never do I get anymore than, "freedom of speech", "I plead the 5th", or "right to bare arms", wow...
It amazes me how nobody I talk to (aside from on here) know even one thing about the current status of 'our' constitutional rights.

NOBODY CARES!?!?!

At first thats what I thought, but now I realize, the constitution (to sheeple) is equivalent to moses and the 10 commandments, HISTORY
.... or at least not applicable, 'directly' to them because the changes (rights taken away) are so subtle..

...from having the right to choose a "leader", say what's on your mind, refuse home, entry , and the right to bear arms (the american dream), to being censored, fined, policed, profiled, followed, 'mined' tracked, ect. ect. and inslaved (financially), all in the name of the NEW WORLD ORDER aka America
rant

ANY THOUGHTS
 Quoting: <<exploitive_deleted



Public education, TV and the MSM are working exactly as intended.
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America is not dying they are being bought,

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SHAME ON NYPD
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Fuck it...who cares. I will live off the grid in the remote wilderness of america with no money, politics, religion, no msm lies, etc. I don't care if we're under chinese occupation. Anything is better than this twisted world of lies and deception. Fuck yeah it will be utopia, just me and my dog.
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It's not just America. I think there's something wrong with humanity in general. There's an aggressive, intolerant under current flooding throughout society.

We aren't educating our future generations properly and they see celebrity as the only goal in life.

I'd like to hear the thoughts from people how they see their country in 100 years time.

R)
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yeah it is, and there's so little worth saving now to care.

we keep the Constitution alive inside of us so that when we break away from the parasitic tumor we can use it as a guide and begin again.

Balkanization is the ONLY way there will ever be peace on this continent.
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Sometimes I really do think a Red State/Blue State split - if it can be done peacefully - would be best for everyone. Yeah, I know it would be so much more messy than that (even if peaceful). You'd have places like Austin, a "Blue State" city in the middle of a sea of Red - what do you do about them? Likewise, you have the very Red Upstate New York getting caught in a Blue land. Those are just two examples.

There are two major and very different ideologies about what American means, what it should be. People who have two entirely different views on reality to the point where they can never come to common ground anymore. I think the media and division-based politics (the kind that I see as starting with Lee Atwater's run campaign for Bush I, but has often been taken up by both sides since), has been a big cause of increasing these divisions.

There were always big ideological divisions but the two sides weren't as far apart in the past and on the big issues generally could find common cause. Once the Soviet Bloc fell, I think not having that clear external enemy also caused the sides to fracture and see each other as enemies more and more.

I like to joke and call the two new split countries Blutopia and Redistan (yeah, I tend favor the Blue ideologies, hence the more positive name for that one), but really it's no joking matter. Something is going to eventually have to give between the two very different world views, and I just hope it can be done in a sensible and sane way, and not a messy and destructive way. But really, how likely is something like that to happen sanely and sensibly these days?
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Everything is dying, sweetie.
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America is/was an "idea". Now its just part of the plan...whatever
 Quoting: ZoomDoom


correction america was part of the plan, the idea is to demolish it for security reasons.. if america fails, who governs the world, trust me its a catastrophic event
 Quoting: <<exploitive_deleted


I agree with you, except that the world is dependend on Americans. That's the real source of the problem, anyone thinking they are more important / better than the rest of the world. This turns into the hunt for more and more power.
Chi pecora si fa, il lupo se la mangia
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yeah it is, and there's so little worth saving now to care.

we keep the Constitution alive inside of us so that when we break away from the parasitic tumor we can use it as a guide and begin again.

Balkanization is the ONLY way there will ever be peace on this continent.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2483794


It didn't solve our problems, I doubt it will solve yours.
Good luck with whatever you guys chose.
I'd still chose unity.
Just not over fried chicken or who has bigger house.
Your founding fathers were some of the most intelligent people I read about.
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'Every dog has his day' as the saying goes. US is on it's way out. It had better get a grip with the new reality - no longer being the BIG CHEESE. About time too.
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Fuck it...who cares. I will live off the grid in the remote wilderness of america with no money, politics, religion, no msm lies, etc. I don't care if we're under chinese occupation. Anything is better than this twisted world of lies and deception. Fuck yeah it will be utopia, just me and my dog.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68118


Off grid? So how do you access internet, power, clean water etc?
No pun intended, I would love to live like that. Anything better than what it is atm..
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No its not, but communists are trying to kill it.
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the sheeple are awakening slowly from thier obama hope N change coma's .
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Time for new ideas. New ways of living. Money, governments, democracy, America, blah blah blah.
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This quotation is from Sir Alex Fraser Tytler (1742-1813). A Scottish jurist and historian, he was widely known in his time and was professor of history at Edinburgh University in the late 18th century.


The quotation is from the 1801 collection of his lectures:


"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess from the public treasury. From that time on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the results that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.

The average age of the world's great civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence:


From bondage to spiritual faith;

from spiritual faith to great courage;

from courage to liberty;

from liberty to abundance;

from abundance to selfishness;

from selfishness to complacency;

from complacency to apathy;

from apathy to dependence;

from dependency back again into bondage."


WHERE ARE WE TODAY ? ? ?


Complacency: quiet satisfaction, contentment, self-satisfaction, smugness

Apathy:
lack of emotion, lack of interest, listless, indifference
 Quoting: We Who Watch


bondage

Try doing anything with out government permission.

Is there anything government does not tax?

Is there anything on which government does not currently have two or more contrary regulations such that you are a criminal just by nature of being?

Can the government steal all you have without due process?

Can the government kill you without due process?

We are in bondage.
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u all think your the only ones who are paying attention...
and that makes you smart. In the Know. Better than the "sheeple". And thats why your an outcast. Because you come off as "know it all" assholes.....at least most of you do.

America isn't dying....Its changing. Its like the 60s on steroids....changing scares people. People fear change...


But change isn't dying. In fact, I see more people involved with Politics and voicing their opinions and awakening than I have in all my 50 years....

that is a good thing!! Thats a GREAT thing.....

Its not apathy I see anymore.... its a struggle over direction and power.... that struggle will always exist..and that is a good thing.... its biology at work.
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Stupid Question..

But the answer is NO
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u all think your the only ones who are paying attention...
and that makes you smart. In the Know. Better than the "sheeple". And thats why your an outcast. Because you come off as "know it all" assholes.....at least most of you do.

America isn't dying....Its changing. Its like the 60s on steroids....changing scares people. People fear change...


But change isn't dying. In fact, I see more people involved with Politics and voicing their opinions and awakening than I have in all my 50 years....

that is a good thing!! Thats a GREAT thing.....

Its not apathy I see anymore.... its a struggle over direction and power.... that struggle will always exist..and that is a good thing.... its biology at work.
 Quoting: DrJaybird


this is what makes America. America. The greatest Country that has ever existed.....
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Move to a safe spot

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u all think your the only ones who are paying attention...
and that makes you smart. In the Know. Better than the "sheeple". And thats why your an outcast. Because you come off as "know it all" assholes.....at least most of you do.

America isn't dying....Its changing. Its like the 60s on steroids....changing scares people. People fear change...


But change isn't dying. In fact, I see more people involved with Politics and voicing their opinions and awakening than I have in all my 50 years....

that is a good thing!! Thats a GREAT thing.....

Its not apathy I see anymore.... its a struggle over direction and power.... that struggle will always exist..and that is a good thing.... its biology at work.
 Quoting: DrJaybird


^^^^ This.

You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.

Right now, tbh there's a whole lot of eggs being broken all over the world.

Somebody is cooking up one serious motherfucking change omelette dig?

Could be great... could be the worst omelette ever made.
That depends on us, we need to accept that a massive shift in the system is taking place and get together and decide... just what kind of omelette we want for breakfast on the first morning of a new world.

I'm hungry now...
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OP: Thoughts? Yeah. Most Americans also believe 'separation of church and state' was established in the Constitution.

Few realize it came from a letter that Jefferson wrote many years later.

Ironically, he closed that letter in prayer. If the phrase 'separation of church and state' were applied to that letter the way it is applied today, the entire letter would have been invalidated!
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The world is dying.
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OP: Thoughts? Yeah. Most Americans also believe 'separation of church and state' was established in the Constitution.

Few realize it came from a letter that Jefferson wrote many years later.

Ironically, he closed that letter in prayer. If the phrase 'separation of church and state' were applied to that letter the way it is applied today, the entire letter would have been invalidated!
 Quoting: cdevidal


Article Six of the United States Constitution establishes the Constitution and the laws and treaties of the United States made in accordance with it as the supreme law of the land, forbids a religious test as a requirement for holding a governmental position and holds the United States under the Constitution responsible for debts incurred by the United States under the Articles of Confederation.
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America has already died. We're just experiencing the dead cat bounce. Sadly, it is going to get really bad.
 Quoting: withoutatrace


Agree.

It's going to be hell like the one in Bosnia. Sometimes I think disintegration of Yugoslavia was just micro experiment to see what could happen in America "in vivo".
 Quoting: Démodé


elaborate please , you have a link of the mentioned "micro experiment" (yugoslavia event)
 Quoting: <<exploitive_deleted


Bank of America is dieing, and as it does, AMERICA will awaken.

BTW you used dying, like dying cloths....
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