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Is Smoking Marijuana A Sin? Christian Perspective!

 
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Mathew 15-11
Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
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I have not read anything in this thread....

I just want to say that God invented THC!
RIP. Berserk
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I have not read anything in this thread....

I just want to say that God invented THC!
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God put THC receptors in our Brains too.
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Thank you God for Cannabis. AMEN
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Thank you God for Cannabis. AMEN
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This!!!
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Jesus was the biggest stoner of all time, so YES it's OK.

His "annointing oil" contained 6 kg of cannabis.

Ever wonder why so many hippies "look like Jesus"? On top of that, cannabis has never harmed anyone physically and religions for millenia have been doing drugs.

So as long as you treat others as you would like to be treated and are a good, loving person, smoke as many bonghits as you desire!

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chech out;

"pharmacratic inquisition" ;

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I've browsed through this thread and have to say that I think I agree with the pro-cannabis Christians.

I myself was raised heavily in the Christian church, was not a Christian but went along with the motions. From 18-25 I did my own thing and followed the same path as OP; until God intervened by waking me up to the nature of the world followed by calling me to Him.

Back in the pre-Christ days, I smoked cannabis 2-3 x a day for months to years; and in the post-Christ days I've been using cannabis in the form of vaporizing / edibles.

I want to keep every member in subjection to Jesus Christ, but don't care to be a statist.

I AM A SINNER, and recognize my own evil; and confess and beg to be renewed each day - and God is faithful to show progress within me.

Here's what I consider to be the strongest scriptural opinions on the matter.

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"Give strong drink to him who is perishing,
And wine to him whose life is bitter.

Let him drink and forget his poverty
And remember his trouble no more."

- Proverbs 31:6-7

"He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man: that he may bring forth food out of the earth;

And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart."

- Psalms 104:15-16

"Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure.

Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities."

- 1 Timothy 5:22-23

"A jar full of sour wine stood there, so they put a sponge full of the sour wine on a hyssop branch and held it to his mouth.

When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, 'It is finished,' and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit."

- John 19:29-30

"And God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food."

- Genesis 1:19

"A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;"

- 1 Timothy 3:2-3

"Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, that they may follow strong drink; that continue until night, till wine inflames them!"

- Isaiah 5:11

"Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;"

- Ephesians 5:17-19

...and of course, Jesus' first miracle of his ministry - turning the water to wine; which was very much indeed wine as indicated by the concluding verse of this story:

" And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now."

- John 2:10

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I interpret this fairly clearly in understanding that state-effecting substances (i.e. WINE, COFFEE, CANNABIS, etc.) are CREATED by GOD for OUR USE in nourishment and healing. Those who are seeking to walk with God are to make God their primary focus, interest, and joy.

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“I am the LORD thy God…Thou shalt have no other gods before me.”

- Exodus 20:2-3

“Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

This is the first and great commandment.

And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.”

- Matthew 22:36-40

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We were created to worship and commune with our God. Pride is an internal process of worshiping ourselves which prevents us from worshipping God; as are false gods. When you are drunk as a skunk or stoned out of your mind you’re also in a state that prevents you from worshipping God. I know in the case of drunkenness – many times you are worshipping yourself but in a different form; as an unaware tyrant who is trapped in a cycle of self-destruction until the effects wear off enough to clear the head.

I know being drunk prevents one from entering a worshipful state with God; usually it places one in an odd form of self-worship. I’ve found drunks (myself included) to be brash, insensitive, and victims of the whims of their loudest passing sentiment; worshipping their own animalistic responses to whatever is welling up within. I believe this is dishonoring to God – not only because your focus is miles from God in such conditions; but also because many times you don’t exactly love your neighbor as yourself when under the suggestion of much strong drink.

However, to be fair – let us not forget the concession made for the person filled with sorrow and low estate in Proverbs 31:6-7 “Give strong drink to him who is perishing, And wine to him whose life is bitter. Let him drink and forget his poverty, And remember his trouble no more.” It wouldn’t take much study to find that, especially in Christ, the Bible would suggest that it is better to focus on Jesus and find joy and peace in His light than get intoxicated to forget one’s woes. However, let it be noted that the Lord IS gracious to those of low estate.

The prophets and other men who ‘walked with God’ usually had points in their ‘careers’ where they were stripped or almost stripped of everything that gave them comfort in their caporal form. From Abraham being told to slay his only son Isaac to Jeremiah being thrown down a miry well – the Bible is full of accounts of God reiterating to His people that their human existence isn’t about ‘escaping’ the woes of fallen creation; but rather (especially under the New Covenant) taking up their crosses and following God.

"All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

Let no man seek his own, but every man another's wealth.

Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved."

- 1 Corinthians 10:23-31

My belief is this –

If you are working hard all day and can’t wait until you get home so that you can - -

Spark up a couple bowls and zone out into “you time”; and if anything gets in the way of you and that “reward” after work then you become victimized or flustered. It looks like you’ve made an cannabis an idol in your heart and need to repent.

Have a glass of wine…and a couple more, or maybe a couple drinks of something stronger at home, or out at a nice restaurant – whatever your desired scenery while you reward yourself by subduing some of the ‘edge’. If anyone interferes or causes that process to become jolted, you get angry and disgruntled inside; never worry there’s always more liquid sedation to put you back to where you needed to be to finish your reward – after all you deserve it. It looks like you’ve become a drunkard and need to repent.

Pull up some beers or corn-juice infused ‘soft drinks’ around the old tube and drift off into the fantasy of alters and illusions; you had enough of hard reality all day – now time to reward yourself with make-believe and play. It looks like you’ve made vain imaginations your idol and you need to repent.


Drink some bull sperm and rage through the evening questing or deathmatching with the latest technology in alter-ego fantasy dissociation. It looks like you’ve made vain imaginations your idol and you need to repent.

CONTINUE with your 3rd vanilla lattee and 10th cigarette for the day, because why should your reward be limited to only 1x a day! Couple the chemically altering speedy upswing of caffeine with the crushingly addictive nature of cigarettes for around the clock rewards to keep your mind and soul in constant chipmunk mode! It looks like you’ve made your addiction to coffee and cigarettes an idol in your heart and you need to repent.

I’m not even going to go into obviously forbidden territory like addiction to actually devastating drugs (like crystal meth, heroin, etc) or addiction to SIN (like murder, fornication, etc.). I’m trying to drag out all the things that in and of themselves I consider to be within the ‘all things are allowed but not all things are profitable’ zone. If you’d like more clarification on this, I can make a table but the base data would be ( ‘Is not directly forbidden in the Bible’, ‘Does not destroy the temple of the Holy Spirit’, ‘Does not go against my witness’, etc. ).

I believe the behavior that God is looking for is that we don’t hurt our fellow man due to our own selfishness (break our testimony) and that we don’t raise up idols in our own hearts.

Jesus told us if your hand or eye makes you sin – remove them! There’s nothing inherently sinful about your hand or your eye, but if you are elevating things in this created world to a status that is in competition with God in your own heart then you are committing the greatest act of treason against God and its then better to do without that thing than to continue in liberty with it.

There’s a preacher I heard growing up as a kid who used to say that he would usually get a donut on the way home from church each Sunday, but sometimes he would purposefully restrain himself from doing so (or anything else his heart routinely desired) as a pre-meditated attempt to prevent any potential addiction / idolatry from springing up around that thing in his heart. I think that’s the idea. I think if you need to dissociate by hitting yourself with large quantities of alcohol or cannabis or routinely zone out in vain imagination fantasyland as your reward for your dreary routine – then what do you need Jesus for? And why do you have an eternal God who you confess to have a relationship with; but apparently He’s not that powerful if you need to hide in whatever space in your head still gives you peace in exchange for dissociation at the cost of a routine offering to an addiction.

Let the peace that surpasses all understanding fill your heart, not serving masters that are lower than yourself.

"Judge not, that ye be not judged.

For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."

- Matthew 7:1

We’re told not to judge, and we’re also told that people of certain circumstance are allowed to drink enough to forget their bitterness; and that even spiritual leaders can partake in drinking wine for personal wellbeing. We have Jesus’ first miracle being turning water into wine, and before giving up the Ghost – Jesus did drink the sour vinegar. It is my personal conviction that I cannot judge someone for their personal alcohol intake (I’m told to not judge period, lest I am to be judged – but as a Christian if I see another Christian engaged in idolatry I am to be concerned and admonish them to see if it is so). I also will not judge a believer or anyone on their personal intake of cannabis.

For myself, as a Christian, I believe the Bible is clear that there is no reason to doubt that I have freedom in setting my own reasonable boundaries with drinking alcohol. Alcohol is a ‘state altering’ substance, with chemical changes that occur in your body; and is the strongest in those effects than its siblings – cannabis, coffee, cocoa leaves, and tobacco. If we have freedom in using alcohol, and if the Bible does not state otherwise, I do not see any reason why we do not have freedom also in those things. Cannabis is not physically addictive and produces less chemical change in your body than caffeine, yet there isn’t any Christian campaign against caffeine apart from the Mormons. So congratulations, Christians, you prove to be as crazy as Mason-founded cults once again.

I’ve been somewhat sickly for the past couple years, and have enjoyed the benefits of using cannabis in vaporized and edible form. I am not ‘stoned’ nor in a trans-dimensional plane bartering my soul with cthulhu, I am usually productively working away writing code in various programming languages for my job that I get to do from home, engaged in a conference call, hiking, praying, or drawing. The reason I enjoy cannabis in my life is chiefly from the health benefits that come from the medicinal qualities of the cannabis plant. I have been sitting for most of my life, due to my work, and have developed severe muscle issues in my neck and head and experience terrible pressure pain and breathing issues from this (and also probably from the years I smoked cigarettes before). I also have digestive issues and hold stress in my abdomen that prevent me from eating sufficiently. Cannabis relaxes those muscles, gives me awareness of what areas I need to massage out and heal, and relaxes my stomach enough to overcome eating issues.

I’ve also had a seizure and came close to having more. I have been able to regulate it with cannabis use.

Here’s an article detailing more health benefits related to this plant - [link to www.trueactivist.com] | [link to www.trueactivist.com] | [link to norml.org]

Apart from that, I’ve found that even people who have chronically addicted themselves to cannabis were still more healthy and positive than people who were flirting with alcoholism. You want to be careful with it, just like anything else, but unlike alcohol – in and of itself, it is not physically addictive and it cannot kill you. It is up to the individual to set their personal moderation level as it is glorifying to God and to not make it (just like anything else) an idol.

I believe that all truth comes from God. I actually came to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ through a chain of events that began with watching the Loose Change documentary. So in a weird way, people telling the truth about 9/11 led me to belief in Jesus Christ. Therefore, it is important to me to not take a ‘status quo opinion’ on anything just because it is comfortable to conform to repeat what you’ve been told to repeat.

We are told we can use alcohol in the Bible, and alcohol is a quite dangerous compared to cannabis. With vaporizing and eating there is no tar, and no harmful side-effects. Many of the people who go to my dispensary are kindly sickly people with respiratory problems or cancer (or both). I couldn’t image myself to be much more than an ignorant tyrant if I was to pass blanket judgment for them on obtaining a natural medicine which has been scientifically proven to cure and prevent ailments which would otherwise be treated by mutilation, actual drugs, or worse by modern medicine.

I propose to deal with the ‘stoner’ like the drunkard. All things are permissible until they are not convenient. If someone’s abuse of coffee or beer is making them a more sinful person than usual – kindly address them on it, the same for cannabis or tobacco products. Me, personally, I won’t touch tobacco products for the same reason I won’t touch GMOs – I don’t want to deface the temple of the Holy Spirit. I’m also scared to death of dying of cancer.

If you feel that a thing or things in your life are putting you at war with the Holy Spirit – then put them in check! Maybe the right thing relative to the circumstance is to put it away for a long time or forever – but I believe that is a personal choice and we do not have the liberty to enforce that on other people.
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I think that you really know the answer to this question, but I will give you the short and long version.

1. Short version. Yes, smoking marijuana is a sin. The definition of "sin" is "missing the mark". Using any mild-altering substance (alcohol, pot, any other non-prescribed medication) is altering your brain chemistry and by definition "a sin".


2. Long version. Why is altering my brain chemistry missing the mark? Doing anything that harms your body is missing the mark. Your body is the temple of Christ.

When did my body become the temple of Christ?
Under the old testament, animals were sacrificed for mankind's "missing the mark or sin". People brought animals to the temple and the priest went into the "holy of holies" and sacrificed these animals to God so that mankind could be forgiven. (OLD TESTAMENT WAY)

Under the new testament, Christ did away with the sacrifice process and BECAME our eternal sacrifice, for our past sins, our present sins and our future sins. So we went from having animal sacrifice to Christ being our eternal sacrifice. (that is why he had to die on the cross).

Now, since we don't sacrifice animals anymore, Christ also did away with the idea that we had to go to the holy of holies temples and pray through a priest. With Christ, our body now BECOMES the temple and Christ lives IN us. So because Christ is now residing IN us -- we have to keep the temple as clean as possible. Christ also did away with the idea that we have to pray through priests -- now we have a direct line from our prayer directly to God through Christ -- not through priests.

So -- the reason you cannot smoke pot, smoke cigarettes, drink alcohol, or anything else detrimental to your health is because your body, once you accept Christ as your savior, now becomes a holy temple and should not be defiled.

Having said all that -- I think you already knew this answer but you wanted to see it in print.

Here is your sign.

In love.
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So you base your outlook on whether it is sinful or not is whether it is prescribed or not? So if a doctor issues a prescription, a man made act, all of a sudden That scrip justifies in God's eyes that action as not sinful?

I think you need to rethink your opinions before putting them online. There are enough sheep already.
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thank you all for your answers! I appreciate it! Looking for more of a debate on the topic because im still not convinced!
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What you mean is your scared...a word to the wise. Abstention does not equal salvation.
Remember that. Every breath you take is "sin" sin means you missed the mark. That's why your here and not dead and in "heaven".
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You guys are scared of an invisible guy in the sky.

I think that is your biggest problem.

Not smoking pot.

You religious people are AFRAID of a man-made stories and make belief.
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thank you all for your answers! I appreciate it! Looking for more of a debate on the topic because im still not convinced!
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What you mean is your scared...a word to the wise. Abstention does not equal salvation.
Remember that. Every breath you take is "sin" sin means you missed the mark. That's why your here and not dead and in "heaven".
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Riiight.

Tell that to starving people worldwide.

People like you should be re-educated, honestly, you have no fucking idea what you are talking about. You are an abuser of human emotions. Heaven? Where the fuck is your proof of heaven? A book written by people? Go fuck yourself clown.
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thank you all for your answers! I appreciate it! Looking for more of a debate on the topic because im still not convinced!
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What you mean is your scared...a word to the wise. Abstention does not equal salvation.
Remember that. Every breath you take is "sin" sin means you missed the mark. That's why your here and not dead and in "heaven".
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Riiight.

Tell that to starving people worldwide.

People like you should be re-educated, honestly, you have no fucking idea what you are talking about. You are an abuser of human emotions. Heaven? Where the fuck is your proof of heaven? A book written by people? Go fuck yourself clown.
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Great, re educate me...I put quotation marks around "heaven" for a reason. The simple fact is...what I previously said, because you're to stupid to understand...is the following...I'll type it slow for you...As a "christian" (see those quotation marks?) op is worried it is a "sin". And a salvation issue. Not smoking weed or "abstaining" will not get you in to "heaven" if such a place exists, and is NOT a salvation issue. Just as smoking it will not send you to hell-its about your heart, not what goes into your vessel. In fact, op is as dumb as you. As marijuana is the "plant that heals all nations" Spoken of in his "basic instruction manual". As far as the definition of sin, it means to "miss the mark", that is to say, that you live in a monopoly game, and you can actually make it out alive, without death...but I wouldn't expect a fucktard like yourself to know that. As far as human emotion and existence the gnostics (those who KNOW and have GNOSIS, that is to say KNOWLEDGE-gained through DIRECT COMMUNION)had an interesting term for people who "live", they call them the "dead". Do you know why? No you don't, why? Because your a bitter little man. I could explain it to you, but you'd have to get rid of your hate first.
If I offend your "sensibilities" too fucking bad, truth hurts. Bitch.
So try to teach me something, Ill rip your brain out and show you there is nothing there.
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I'll have to wait forever to get a coherent response out of you Im sure...get out of your mommy's basement...lol Keyboard warrior...cruiseangel3drevil
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Oh, Im sorry, did I kill your thread...my bad.
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Either way op, pot use is NOT a "SIN" sin comes from your heart and what comes out of your mouth, not what goes in.
Michael.
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any other non-prescribed medication
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At first, I laughed.
But then I realized how dumb you are and that made me a bit sad.
Sorry for this wording, but I couldn't find a better one that quickly and I'm kinda lazy when it comes to such things.
Anyways - wake up.
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Ezekiel 47:12
And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.
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First off, there is no such thing as sin!! It's all a big, big, BIG SCAM!!!! This thing called "religion" is THE biggest hoax EVER pulled on mankind. So, go ahead and smoke your face off!! bonghit
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Making nature Illegal is idiodic.
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Hope this helps

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Only if you eat it
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It's a sin, but a minor one. It's less of a sin than tobacco, since it is not addictive, but it still isn't perfect.

Also, think of this. How many people are killed every year because some people want to do drugs? Do you want to support a system, the drug system, that causes so much misery in the world? So if you are going to smoke, make sure you grow it yourself or know who did grow it.
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Telling God he made a mistake is a sin.
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Telling God he made a mistake is a sin.
You c wen ur not chosen
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Man youre a disgrace to the rest of us stoners, get high enough to SEE PAST RELIGION next time? Being christian is for dumb old fucks who got indoctrinated by the system so hard the shit is physically impossible to get out of their heads.. but a motherfucking 22 year old completely brainwashed by religion, worshiping an idol and expressing his love for his lord jesus christ, you fucking disgust me and I'm only a couple of years older than you
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Marijuana is the idol your worshiping. I had the same question and prayed that the Lord Jesus Christ would reveal his truth to me about this plant. I was directed to this verse

Romans 1:25

They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen
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Worshipping anything made by god is good.
Those who worship man made things are bad.
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I have never smoked Marijuana but I'll tell you how I feel about it. Most of my friends smoke it. I'd rather be around someone who smokes pot than someone that drinks and I do drink occasionally.

My opinion is smoking Marijuana is not a sin in itself because it is natural. But having said that I would say you are responsible for your actions and if you buy Marijuana from a dealer then you are sinning. The reason is because you are responsible for putting money into the hands of murdering swine. They use your money to arm themselves and kill others over turf. You fund them and you will be held accountable for that sin.

Now if you grow your own then thats another story. You are not funding murderers if you grow your own.



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Your argument is inaccurate. Not all drug dealers sell so they can arm themselves. I smoke marijuana and the person I have bought from for quite a while is only doing it to take care of his family who cannot support themselves without it

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