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Why is Obama Rewarding Turkey With F-35 Stealth Fighters And Attack Helicopters?

 
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Why is Obama Rewarding Turkey With F-35 Stealth Fighters And Attack Helicopters?
[link to djosiris.blogspot.com]
UPDATE:
Just to correct some of OP's statements.

Turkey co financed at least part of the JSF program, along with the UK and other NATO countries.

The wall street journal reported back in something like 2009 that chinese hackers had stolen TERRABYTES of data from the JSF databases.

No worries about the turkish selling the design and specs to the chinese, as the chinese government probably already have them.
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I believe Obama is arming Turkey because their government is being overrun with fundamental Islamists, who are hell-bent on establishing full Sharia law in formerly secular Turkey, and establishing a worldwide Islamic Caliphate, something Obama desires. Actions always speak louder than words! We should be very afraid of Obama. In his book "The Audacity of Hope", he says he will side with the Muslims! He is dangerous!

Turkey has changed. During the last few months, Turkey has acted far more as an adversary than as an ally. So what’s Obama to do? A strategically-minded president wouldn’t hesitate to use his leverage to assert American interests and coerce countries acting against them to change their behavior or face consequences. Obama, however, isn’t strategically-minded. He doesn’t understand diplomacy and would rather play a losing hand than the hand he was dealt. In response to Erdoğan’s recent provocations, here is what the Obama administration has done or is doing:

* It continues its drive to supply Turkey with the next generation F-35 Joint Strike Fighter without so much as reporting to Congress the vulnerabilities of technology transfer should the fighters be supplied.

* It has agreed to provide Turkey with Predators, even as Turks suggest they want to develop their own version, again suggesting the Turks mean to reverse engineer the product we supply them.

* Now, Francis “Frank” Ricciardone, Obama’s recess appointee to be ambassador to Turkey, has announced the United States would provide Turkey with three Super Cobra helicopters, a platform that Turkey could easily turn against Cyprus or Israel.

It’s time for Congress to tell the White House: enough is enough. No more cutting edge weaponry for Turkey. Will Turkey Give China Or Iran Our Military Secrets?

More: [link to djosiris.blogspot.com]

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Here's why: the economy crisis can be solved through major war ONLY!

The war is being prepared in Mediterranean - Turkey vs. Greece with Israel on Greek side (for a mimic)

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Turkey has been a better friend than Israel. That's the honest truth.
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Here's why: the economy crisis can be solved through major war ONLY!

The war is being prepared in Mediterranean - Turkey vs. Greece with Israel on Greek side (for a mimic)

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Yes, that is part of it.
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They are buying them.

Turkey is an ally.

Turkey is a sovereign nation, it is free to defend and protect is vital interests as it sees fit, no one wants the U.S to be the policeman, including the U.S itself(at last check)

Turkey has not started any wars lately last I checked.

Turkey is the most secularist nation amongst ME countries, it is a wonderful place to visit to boot(been many times)

The U.S is the biggest arms dealer in the world.



Why is this hard to understand? The military industrial complex is your biggest cash cow.

If you worried about what regime and organizationss you sold weapons to, the obvious one would probably be Saudi Arabia and Pakistan first and formost.

The F-35 has had lots of reported problems

[link to www.defensenews.com]

THey are probably trying to offload them to some suckers. Hence Turkey buying them. The F-35 JSF program is HEAVILY in debt.
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Turkey has been a better friend than Israel. That's the honest truth.
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To be totally honest, I am not choosing a side between them. I am choosing the side of NO WAR. The sandbox is big enough for us all! They are all behaving like children!
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p.s Turkey might be able to reverse engineer a F-35 JSF in about 100 years.
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The president can't sell, give, rent, shit to anyone. It goes through Congress. Why are you idiots so eager to believe some blog on the internet as truth?
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Link please
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Turkey has been a better friend than Israel. That's the honest truth.
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To be totally honest, I am not choosing a side between them. I am choosing the side of NO WAR. The sandbox is big enough for us all! They are all behaving like children!
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Fair enough. And I tend to agree with the latter part of your statement.hf
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Turkey has been a better friend than Israel. That's the honest truth.
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That's not exactly been difficult at times.
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Not to mention Obama gave allot of F15 fighter jets to the most parts of middle east.... or was it bought hmm.drevil
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Because The administration made a deal with turkey to put the missile detection grid in turkey For defense against first strikes.
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The president can't sell, give, rent, shit to anyone. It goes through Congress. Why are you idiots so eager to believe some blog on the internet as truth?
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Oh really? I checked it out before writing this blog article and could not find any congressional authorization for the F-35, Cobra Attack helicopters or Drones. Maybe it went through the ILLEGAL Secret Super Congress.

Why are you so eager to believe the MSM LIARS?

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The president can't sell, give, rent, shit to anyone. It goes through Congress. Why are you idiots so eager to believe some blog on the internet as truth?
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This is very often the case.

People will believe almost anything that sides with their internal partisanship.

Some of the links you see sometimes are absolutely outrageous propaganda.
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Lots of opinions, yet you guys are quite away and do not know whats happening here.


Erdogan is bullying around here and that attitude is well known.
He wanted a piece of the pie
[link to www.politis-news.com]

They always threat and ask for more, at the end they take something in return. Its a bit of a bargaining system. It works most of the times.

None of the things you mention is true.
The guy, he is a charismatic leader indeed, took out of this, at least up to now, better arms. These will be more likely gonna be used were he needs them the most and that is not at his southwest, rather his east/northeast.

After all, everybody knows that this kind of weaponry cannot be used against any target.. only to those that US agrees to.

I still remember Turkey's move to change the targeting system of their current weapons to include as foes whatever they want, yet this is blocked by the NATO systems. Do you think that they are 'permitted' to do this?


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The president can't sell, give, rent, shit to anyone. It goes through Congress. Why are you idiots so eager to believe some blog on the internet as truth?
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Oh really? I checked it out before writing this blog article and could not find any congressional authorization for the F-35, Cobra Attack helicopters or Drones. Maybe it went through the ILLEGAL Secret Super Congress.

Why are you so eager to believe the MSM LIARS?
 Quoting: LoVeLiGHT420


Where is your evidence? I don't partake in the MSM, and I don't take internet blogs as truth of anything without proof.
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Because war is big money. They all love it, buy our planes etc... of course there is a big markup on the prices.
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The president can't sell, give, rent, shit to anyone. It goes through Congress. Why are you idiots so eager to believe some blog on the internet as truth?
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Oh really? I checked it out before writing this blog article and could not find any congressional authorization for the F-35, Cobra Attack helicopters or Drones. Maybe it went through the ILLEGAL Secret Super Congress.

Why are you so eager to believe the MSM LIARS?
 Quoting: LoVeLiGHT420


Why are you clearly making stuff up now?

So you have no source and you do not understand that any and all arms sales that someone such as yourself would catch wind of would be heavily monitored and passed through congress.

The Illegal Super Congress is still bi-partisan and the choice is not made by the POTUS alone.

Obama would only do what the military industrial complex asks of him with regard to arms sales.

And they don't give a fuck who gets sold what, as long as it gets sold.

You have yet to address my original post, which pretty much dismantles this entire threads precipice.
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The president can't sell, give, rent, shit to anyone. It goes through Congress. Why are you idiots so eager to believe some blog on the internet as truth?
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Oh really? I checked it out before writing this blog article and could not find any congressional authorization for the F-35, Cobra Attack helicopters or Drones. Maybe it went through the ILLEGAL Secret Super Congress.

Why are you so eager to believe the MSM LIARS?
 Quoting: LoVeLiGHT420


Where is your evidence? I don't partake in the MSM, and I don't take internet blogs as truth of anything without proof.
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US Senate Approves Selling 100 F-35's To Turkey — Military Forum ...Nov 9 2006
[link to www.airliners.net]

That was 3 yeas ago. So what? That just proves Congress is as big of a traitor as Obama is. I was looking for recent news and there is none.

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The president can't sell, give, rent, shit to anyone. It goes through Congress. Why are you idiots so eager to believe some blog on the internet as truth?
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This is very often the case.

People will believe almost anything that sides with their internal partisanship.

Some of the links you see sometimes are absolutely outrageous propaganda.
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The president can't sell, give, rent, shit to anyone. It goes through Congress. Why are you idiots so eager to believe some blog on the internet as truth?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2555423


Oh really? I checked it out before writing this blog article and could not find any congressional authorization for the F-35, Cobra Attack helicopters or Drones. Maybe it went through the ILLEGAL Secret Super Congress.

Why are you so eager to believe the MSM LIARS?
 Quoting: LoVeLiGHT420


Why are you clearly making stuff up now?

So you have no source and you do not understand that any and all arms sales that someone such as yourself would catch wind of would be heavily monitored and passed through congress.

The Illegal Super Congress is still bi-partisan and the choice is not made by the POTUS alone.

Obama would only do what the military industrial complex asks of him with regard to arms sales.

And they don't give a fuck who gets sold what, as long as it gets sold.

You have yet to address my original post, which pretty much dismantles this entire threads precipice.
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The president can't sell, give, rent, shit to anyone. It goes through Congress. Why are you idiots so eager to believe some blog on the internet as truth?
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Oh really? I checked it out before writing this blog article and could not find any congressional authorization for the F-35, Cobra Attack helicopters or Drones. Maybe it went through the ILLEGAL Secret Super Congress.

Why are you so eager to believe the MSM LIARS?
 Quoting: LoVeLiGHT420


Where is your evidence? I don't partake in the MSM, and I don't take internet blogs as truth of anything without proof.
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US Senate Approves Selling 100 F-35's To Turkey — Military Forum ...Nov 9 2006
[link to www.airliners.net]

That was 3 yeas ago. So what? That just proves Congress is as big of a traitor as Obama is. I was looking for recent news and there is none.
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LOL....math isn't one of your strong traits either I see. That would be from 5 years ago under the Bush White House.
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PFFF Turkish tribes, They always put their big noses where they cause more problems.beavis
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Oh really? I checked it out before writing this blog article and could not find any congressional authorization for the F-35, Cobra Attack helicopters or Drones. Maybe it went through the ILLEGAL Secret Super Congress.

Why are you so eager to believe the MSM LIARS?
 Quoting: LoVeLiGHT420


Where is your evidence? I don't partake in the MSM, and I don't take internet blogs as truth of anything without proof.
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US Senate Approves Selling 100 F-35's To Turkey — Military Forum ...Nov 9 2006
[link to www.airliners.net]

That was 3 yeas ago. So what? That just proves Congress is as big of a traitor as Obama is. I was looking for recent news and there is none.
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LOL....math isn't one of your strong traits either I see. That would be from 5 years ago under the Bush White House.
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another do Yeah I just woke up a couple hours ago and yeah, math never was my best subject. This just proves my original point that Obama is doing an end run around Congress! There is nothing about Congress approving NEW F-35's, shifting production of parts to the F-35 to Turkey, the Cobra attack helicopter or the drones! Obama is doing whatever he wants!

Congress has actually demanded that Obama CUT the F-35 program and Obama said he would VETO any funding cuts for it.

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I believe Obama is arming Turkey because their government is being overrun with fundamental Islamists, who are hell-bent on establishing full Sharia law in formerly secular Turkey, and establishing a worldwide Islamic Caliphate, something Obama desires. Actions always speak louder than words! We should be very afraid of Obama. In his book "The Audacity of Hope", he says he will side with the Muslims! He is dangerous!

Turkey has changed. During the last few months, Turkey has acted far more as an adversary than as an ally. So what’s Obama to do? A strategically-minded president wouldn’t hesitate to use his leverage to assert American interests and coerce countries acting against them to change their behavior or face consequences. Obama, however, isn’t strategically-minded. He doesn’t understand diplomacy and would rather play a losing hand than the hand he was dealt. In response to Erdoğan’s recent provocations, here is what the Obama administration has done or is doing:

* It continues its drive to supply Turkey with the next generation F-35 Joint Strike Fighter without so much as reporting to Congress the vulnerabilities of technology transfer should the fighters be supplied.

* It has agreed to provide Turkey with Predators, even as Turks suggest they want to develop their own version, again suggesting the Turks mean to reverse engineer the product we supply them.

* Now, Francis “Frank” Ricciardone, Obama’s recess appointee to be ambassador to Turkey, has announced the United States would provide Turkey with three Super Cobra helicopters, a platform that Turkey could easily turn against Cyprus or Israel.

It’s time for Congress to tell the White House: enough is enough. No more cutting edge weaponry for Turkey. Will Turkey Give China Or Iran Our Military Secrets?

More: [link to djosiris.blogspot.com]
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Are they not part of NATO?
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p.s Turkey might be able to reverse engineer a F-35 JSF in about 100 years.
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or give it to someone who can in one year.
You dont need to reproduce it anyway, you have only to know it's limitations and how it operates, and you cana countermeasure to those specifics.
There is always an achilles heal to any system, a cecret which it's capabilities are based upon.
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I believe Obama is arming Turkey because their government is being overrun with fundamental Islamists, who are hell-bent on establishing full Sharia law in formerly secular Turkey, and establishing a worldwide Islamic Caliphate, something Obama desires. Actions always speak louder than words! We should be very afraid of Obama. In his book "The Audacity of Hope", he says he will side with the Muslims! He is dangerous!

Turkey has changed. During the last few months, Turkey has acted far more as an adversary than as an ally. So what’s Obama to do? A strategically-minded president wouldn’t hesitate to use his leverage to assert American interests and coerce countries acting against them to change their behavior or face consequences. Obama, however, isn’t strategically-minded. He doesn’t understand diplomacy and would rather play a losing hand than the hand he was dealt. In response to Erdoğan’s recent provocations, here is what the Obama administration has done or is doing:

* It continues its drive to supply Turkey with the next generation F-35 Joint Strike Fighter without so much as reporting to Congress the vulnerabilities of technology transfer should the fighters be supplied.

* It has agreed to provide Turkey with Predators, even as Turks suggest they want to develop their own version, again suggesting the Turks mean to reverse engineer the product we supply them.

* Now, Francis “Frank” Ricciardone, Obama’s recess appointee to be ambassador to Turkey, has announced the United States would provide Turkey with three Super Cobra helicopters, a platform that Turkey could easily turn against Cyprus or Israel.

It’s time for Congress to tell the White House: enough is enough. No more cutting edge weaponry for Turkey. Will Turkey Give China Or Iran Our Military Secrets?

More: [link to djosiris.blogspot.com]
 Quoting: LoVeLiGHT420


Are they not part of NATO?
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Yes and acting AGAINST the best interests of America just like how NATO is working with Al Qaeda in Libya. Before you even say it, this has nothing to do with supporting Israel. I support a peaceful END to the conflict between them and Turkey but instead of Obama working on that he is busy giving Turkey even more weapons! Turkey is already the largest military power over there and is actively threatening both Geece (NATO) and Israel (US Ally).
wtf

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p.s Turkey might be able to reverse engineer a F-35 JSF in about 100 years.
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or give it to someone who can in one year.
You dont need to reproduce it anyway, you have only to know it's limitations and how it operates, and you cana countermeasure to those specifics.
There is always an achilles heal to any system, a cecret which it's capabilities are based upon.
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Exactly, and that somebody is China.
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0bama is only here to secure Communist Islamic Fascists into a world power.. No matter who he claims he's killing or ordering hits on..
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can it get any clearer who is doing the rewarding???


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