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Open Minded Questions to All American GLP visitors -- PLEASE READ and RESPOND.

 
InterMezzo

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OK. I have been reading a lot of threads on the Wall Street Occupation groups (and the possible infiltration or trigger), the discussion on who should be your next President, whether it be Obama or Paul or who ever else, but I failed to see in a lot of posts who will really change what in your government system and in what way that should happen according to the Americans.

My questions to all Americans:

- Do you care at all about the widening gap between rich and poor or not?
- What place do you see for yourself and your family in the US society in a few years?
- Can you mention at least something good that has been done over the past ten years for the American people?
- Why would the candidate you vote for be able to change things for the better and how?
- If you were President, what would you change?
- If the Wall Street Occupation Movement leads to nothing in your view, than what does?


Everything is allowed, so if you want to cuss and swear, that is your responsibility, but try to give a building opinion instead of a pointing finger.

For the record, of course you may, but you don't have to answer all questions and if you want to do that as AC, be my guest. As an outsider, I am merely trying to comprehend why, is that in all these threads I see a lot of bitching back and forth about the deficits of this president or the other candidates.

It seems that most discussion is driven by negativity and I still see little pride of people being American. I myself am positive to the point of being naive (I admit that much!), try to see options to make things better and see the glass always as half full instead of half empty. The USA was to the outside world always the Land of A Thousand Opportunities, where hero stories in sports and achievement where born, but the last decade or so, it seems things have turned to the negative.


And please, you don't have to tell me that we Europeans have no right to talk, because that is not how it is meant. I know very well that Europe is also one of the causes of the same shit we are dealing with globally. These psychological meant questions come with an open and inquiring mind.

I will try to keep track of the discussion (if there is any, lol.) and reply if I can, but I would love this in the first place to be an American discussion.

It would be great if it could get pinned for maximum replies. If not I will bump it up a few times. Thanks!

If this post is too long, I apologize up front.

hf from the Netherlands.

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I will state my opinion on how I look at things and will try to keep it short:

In my opinion the American system is, or is close to, almost an olygarchy. I assume that most know what that is, but for those who do not know: an olygarchy is a ruling form in which the power lies with a few people (often the richest of the rich, upper influental familie, like the Saudi Royals or big multinationals.). They share all the richdom and make the rules and the masses are totally submissive to the olygarchs. See also this link:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Now, having stated that, again, in my opinion, it does not matter much whether your next president is a Democrat or a Republican or maybe an in between politician (Ron Paul?) After all, they do not have the real power to change society issues. Yes, they can sign a bill here and there, but the real subjects that matter have to pass through a wide variety of institutions and house members (who are often backed in their elections by multinationals, elite, weapon industry and such.) And those who really push hard and at least had an charismatic appeal to the masses (apart from the discussion whether this was just or not, JFK and his brother, Martin Luther King) are stopped by bullets.

So, it is my view that no president, Democrat or Republican, will be able to really change society and make the increasing gap between rich and poor smaller. They are merely puppets on a string without actual power, at least in inner country politics. In fact, in todays society, more materialistic and individualistic than ever, with growing technology, thus less manpower needed (more unemployment), it is safe to say that the gap will only get bigger and at an increasing speed.

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- Do you care at all about the widening gap between rich and poor or not?

Yes. I have nothing against successful entrepreneurs being much wealthier than the norm. People like Zuckerburg or Gates who stole intellectual property and had their businesses nursed thanks to banking connections are not my idea of entrepreneurs. It is also important to note that the real rich are not on the lists of world's richest people and get free money from a private banking cartel that runs most governments around the world including ours.


- What place do you see for yourself and your family in the US society in a few years?



- Can you mention at least something good that has been done over the past ten years for the American people?

Rather focus on where we need to go.

- Why would the candidate you vote for be able to change things for the better and how?

The elections are currently rigged here. No point.

- If you were President, what would you change?

I am primarily concerned with national security issues that are not appropriate to discuss in public. As far as changes for public consumption go: nationalizing the federal reserve, declassifying certain technology that would help the economy, making credit available to productive industry, breaking up (non)Federal Reserve funded monopolies, removing anti-competitive regulation that supports said monopolies, arresting banksters under the trading with the enemy act, reforming the medical industry to focus on health rather than things like spreading autism through eugenicist/satanist Gates-funded programs, just to name a few...

- If the Wall Street Occupation Movement leads to nothing in your view, than what does?

This movement has legs, but there is no real free speech in America. Consequently, people are still very much in the dark about who their enemies are, what these people have done, and where we need to go from here.
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Thank you for your honest answers.

I am still trying to find a concept for myself on how to deal with answers people give, as I want it mostly to be an open discussion between your fellow Americans. I know, I aim high with that with so much traffic and threads... ;-)

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I would pin it myself, but am a few points short of being able to. So I'll bump it up a a few times. ;-)
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Thank you for your honest answers.

I am still trying to find a concept for myself on how to deal with answers people give, as I want it mostly to be an open discussion between your fellow Americans. I know, I aim high with that with so much traffic and threads... ;-)
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I said it myself. Maybe I need to throw in a commercial for thinking time:



Allthough, maybe to much distraction. Hmmm...

Come on my American friends. Where are your answers? Don't be shy! Or are they to open to answer?

I have no prizes to offer, otherwise I would. After all this is an ever increasing material world.

hf

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OK. I have been reading a lot of threads on the Wall Street Occupation groups (and the possible infiltration or trigger), the discussion on who should be your next President, whether it be Obama or Paul or who ever else, but I failed to see in a lot of posts who will really change what in your government system and in what way that should happen according to the Americans.

My questions to all Americans:

- Do you care at all about the widening gap between rich and poor or not?
- What place do you see for yourself and your family in the US society in a few years?
- Can you mention at least something good that has been done over the past ten years for the American people?
- Why would the candidate you vote for be able to change things for the better and how?
- If you were President, what would you change?
- If the Wall Street Occupation Movement leads to nothing in your view, than what does?


Everything is allowed, so if you want to cuss and swear, that is your responsibility, but try to give a building opinion instead of a pointing finger.

For the record, of course you may, but you don't have to answer all questions and if you want to do that as AC, be my guest. As an outsider, I am merely trying to comprehend why, is that in all these threads I see a lot of bitching back and forth about the deficits of this president or the other candidates.

It seems that most discussion is driven by negativity and I still see little pride of people being American. I myself am positive to the point of being naive (I admit that much!), try to see options to make things better and see the glass always as half full instead of half empty. The USA was to the outside world always the Land of A Thousand Opportunities, where hero stories in sports and achievement where born, but the last decade or so, it seems things have turned to the negative.
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Now my questions to the Americans:

- Do you care at all about the widening gap between rich and poor or not? Yes

Because it leaves all of the majority of the people unable to help them selves or others when the rich refuse to give out what they have gathered or worked for or saved..
And the government no longer wants to or can invest relief for the poor......than there is no hope of helping them selves when such things like:

Disaster strikes "Haiti" the lasting effects from one disaster can crush the power of people to even assist in the rebuilding and the maintain their national residence and way of living...this is very much a bad investment by their own government to not invest into its own people and allow then to be stuck in a weak state of assistance...never investing into the peoples own body of strenght so the persons then are left to stand in the hour of calamity not even a remnant large enough to maintain themselves their own survival..and to be there to assist others and get their nation on its way to retained...

Unbalanced nation is the loss of the nation when the near empty is the majority and they are stricken out....the hoarding is no longer a nation but a hoarder in a desolation heap of disease and stagnation and death....and it can come at the worst of times when other nations have not enough themselves to build a sustaining level of a nation immediately out of thin air at survival rate time..

This can be our future nearing of greater than the previous disaster and even striking the same place again and utterly destroying the nation...due to corruption and lack of input into their own nation of people.

Some times the low and even the middle is all the rich have to count on to continue things because they are the lesser and money is not going to cut it in the face of something like this..the rich will be captives to the same desolation and no one to help them..

We would like to be able help our own government when it needs help so it does not fall away and just leave people on their own...but if they keep everybody poor we can not even help them when they need help...this is what helps and keeps us intact as one body of different functions in our own system body.


- What place do you see for yourself and your family in the US society in a few years? Same place

I am neither rich nor poor nor desire to be any other than what I am..living in America in my home with my family and friends and neighbors this will not change with harder times or better times. We will still just live our lives in them and through out all things and times we will just live through them...but for those who can do better by their strength of mind, age and abilities they should do the best they can for them selves..and this is for the best for others if they do....I am not the youth of America.


- Can you mention at least something good that has been done over the past ten years for the American people? Yes
The Federal and the State and the City or County has taken the action to try and get water to people who had no reliable water sources their wells were sinking and some never had any..yet they put their money from our revenues and even some of their extra rainy day money to get this done....even sewage.....so people would not be subjected to displacement for living that offers water and sewage...they got to have these and stay home...and safe from disease.

They make new roads and bridges so we are not as subjected to lethally congested out dated roads that can even leave us cut off and trapped in times of calamity and no one to get to us and help...they have tried to do this but not the entire nation at one time because it costs to much but they are working on it and have not given up this endeavor.

They have made an effort to educate us about things even like our heating and cooling needs and even assisted with updating them so we have more cost efficient and reliable relief in our homes.

They have given us a lot of other things and helped us but I will not take up the entire page with them at least they see us.


- Why would the candidate you vote for be able to change things for the better and how?


They may not be able to change world set rules by the world in the international realm...but they can offer the nation we live in ways to keep it from growing weak from the inside where we live and exist.. or keeping it from declining in our ways of maintaining our lives and livelihood..

They can work to keep us from getting into traps by looking out for us our well being to survive and continue...looking out for traps that either bring conflict on our homeland or take us into conflicts out side our home lands. Yet I do understand we have to work with what we have and sometimes it is not what we want so it is good to have some one with damage control brains over things to lessen the impact of the things we do not want but can not avoid..

- If you were President, what would you change?

Foreign relations over hauled it is to unbalanced and in upheaval and even chaotic and unreliable to work with as it is out there today in the former ways we have dealt with it..things are always changing and new ways enter for the bad as well as the god so we have to make sure we are also changing to face them good or bad come what may we have to stand up to it.


- If the Wall Street Occupation Movement leads to nothing in your view, than what does?

Changing Trade and Labor....set backs and unclosed loop holes and unaddressed issues...doe not mater if we owe....what matter is if we can make ways to pay....because there will always be things we just can not pay for all at one time and we will need loans...and credit. but to be unable to provide for the means to make payments is deadly and robbing the bank is no answer nor blowing it off the map..

Trying to stop abuse of the system we have instead of leaving the abuse to keep mounting and adding new laws and enactments that never treat the problems that just keep mounting actually they only add further the more organs to become also abused and then we have compounded abuse onto of abuse...

Freeze on the new created or imputed ways and laws even revising old ones.....instead fix what you already have so you can know how to maintain any new ones when you are experienced enough to handle them and manage them...We may find our selves not able to help other nations nor they help us if these ways keep going we will jeopardize humanity in a whole.

I take my money and give it to my City before it is ever due...I pay them one years worth of water bills at one time so they can have them money to use for what they need and I trust them they use my money that I paid them in advance and they count my bills paid even to the gallon it was charged as well as my thrash pick up and my sewage...they have been trust worthy to me.

I pay them their taxes for the entire year and they are high before that year rolls over on the calendar...so they have the money and I have my bill paid..

They keep me up to date with my balance and if I see it was under calculated I pay more in the kitty...

If this slump breaks I will just build a bigger kitty of money there and they can use it as they wish but pay my bills when they are due with it..even if I die they can keep using it until it is gone..

I would not want to be force to do this..I like doing b my own free will...and many of us do it because we love our city..it is good to us..

And some towns almost could not pay their town light bills last year it was bad
...but because they are our neighbors we will help pay their bills so they keep power in the town..they do not make us we just do what we want and we get along good....because we like each other and think about each other...

When you force people to do what they do not want that is when what may have been there just by the asking or letting others know it was needed turns into a revolting fight of angry do not want to's..

We even have events for the city to get together and play and have fun with each other...it is a good city.
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Thank you for your very thorough answers.

I do like your frame of mind. Basically, from what I understand, is you are saying that the people can change a lot in this country be working together and having an eye for other people. Be more active in a positive way, whether it be bills or lending a hand. I read togethernes in your reply. I do like that.

You said it and it does sound like you are one of a generation that is fading. It would be a bad turn. To me that base of being self supportive and active instead of relying on the government and wait for change is the only way to make change happen. From within your own values, believe in yourself and the respect for others.

Thanks again! hf

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and another commercial, directed at the American viewers:



Now that you got yourself longing for a beer, relax, sit back and answer those questions please.

hf

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You ask too many questions! The govt has done nothing for any average American nor should they. The govt should get out of the way but they don't! They continue to encroach upon every aspect of our lives and will continue to do so. Technology is a leash and not a path to freedom!
No American family is better off today unless we agree that many families are now forced to live within their means. No purchases via credit is a good thing.
The rich get richer and I'm all for that if it is done honestly and not through political favors as is currently the case. I wouldn't use the term "Oligarchy" just yet but we are approaching something similar to that.
There is no candidate that can change things for the better as it is the American people that must make that change happen.
If I was President, I'd end the IRS, tariff the living fuck out of American companies that manufacture overseas to cut labor costs and then dump their wares on our shores, balance the budget by allowing the churches to assume the role they had in the social welfare issue up until the 1940's, end welfare programs, end foreign wars(we won WWII in 4 years but we can't win Afghanistan in 10?), then tell the rest of the world that we are taking two steps back so we can take a step forward as a nation, then leave it up to other nations to fill that void we just created - good or bad. But if they fuck with us, we will kill them all(See Gen. Mathis, CENTCOM Commander).
Dude, it's simple. If this country could ever return to the Constitution instead of Maritime Law, everybody wins!
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I totally agree. This is what I was aiming at. Open answers, commitment.

I do know that there maybe are to much questions and therefore it might take people to long to reply, so they skip it, but any answer that goes beyond yelling or cussing at eachother is a win in my opinion. It is refreshing.

Thanks to the posters so far.

It shows diversity, but also determination that things must change to make it the country again where people can be proud of.
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Repeating is the force of advertising.

OK. I have been reading a lot of threads on the Wall Street Occupation groups (and the possible infiltration or trigger), the discussion on who should be your next President, whether it be Obama or Paul or who ever else, but I failed to see in a lot of posts who will really change what in your government system and in what way that should happen according to the Americans.

My questions to all Americans:

- Do you care at all about the widening gap between rich and poor or not?
- What place do you see for yourself and your family in the US society in a few years?
- Can you mention at least something good that has been done over the past ten years for the American people?
- Why would the candidate you vote for be able to change things for the better and how?
- If you were President, what would you change?
- If the Wall Street Occupation Movement leads to nothing in your view, than what does?


Everything is allowed, so if you want to cuss and swear, that is your responsibility, but try to give a building opinion instead of a pointing finger.

For the record, of course you may, but you don't have to answer all questions and if you want to do that as AC, be my guest. As an outsider, I am merely trying to comprehend why, is that in all these threads I see a lot of bitching back and forth about the deficits of this president or the other candidates.

It seems that most discussion is driven by negativity and I still see little pride of people being American. I myself am positive to the point of being naive (I admit that much!), try to see options to make things better and see the glass always as half full instead of half empty. The USA was to the outside world always the Land of A Thousand Opportunities, where hero stories in sports and achievement where born, but the last decade or so, it seems things have turned to the negative.



hf

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