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My Weight Loss Secret - TRH/T3/T4 Hormonal Tweaking

 
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OP...Thanks One last question:

Keeping in mind the Testosterone / SSRI question. How do you feel about Trazodone, and Ambien...I need them to sleep as I was in a horrible accident...Are they bad for my Testosterone levels...

I looked them up, but can't make heads or tails out of all the info...Greek to me!

PS do you have a degree in Bio or organic chemistry??? Because you sure are smart...




I've never seen increased levels of serotonin depleting testosterone. However what is insteresting is many SSRI Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (Prozac, Luvox or whatever) actually bleach the brain, and the net effect is pretty much all your hormones are going to drop as the pineal gland and such will be less effective.

The same result will come from fluordation of your water table one doctor did a pile of research showing the calcification of the brain because of water fluoridation.

"It is now known - thanks to the meticulous research of Dr. Jennifer Luke from the University of Surrey in England - that the pineal gland is the primary target of fluoride accumulation within the body."

[link to www.fluoridealert.org]
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OP you are a wizard, please post more information about keeping yourself healthy.
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OP...Thanks One last question:

Keeping in mind the Testosterone / SSRI question. How do you feel about Trazodone, and Ambien...I need them to sleep as I was in a horrible accident...Are they bad for my Testosterone levels...

I looked them up, but can't make heads or tails out of all the info...Greek to me!

PS do you have a degree in Bio or organic chemistry??? Because you sure are smart...


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I've never seen increased levels of serotonin depleting testosterone. However what is insteresting is many SSRI Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (Prozac, Luvox or whatever) actually bleach the brain, and the net effect is pretty much all your hormones are going to drop as the pineal gland and such will be less effective.

The same result will come from fluordation of your water table one doctor did a pile of research showing the calcification of the brain because of water fluoridation.

"It is now known - thanks to the meticulous research of Dr. Jennifer Luke from the University of Surrey in England - that the pineal gland is the primary target of fluoride accumulation within the body."

[link to www.fluoridealert.org]

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If you need vit D, then get some sunshine. Create Vit d, naturally. Oh skin cancer??? But from clorinated water exposure and anti freeze stabilizers in all your lotions and potions, shampoo and soaps, tooth paste and most personal hygiene products.

I always hate seeing all those unhappy people at the beach and hugely overweight tanned people.

Be aware and for once, just look around for awhile.
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OP...Thanks One last question:

Keeping in mind the Testosterone / SSRI question. How do you feel about Trazodone, and Ambien...I need them to sleep as I was in a horrible accident...Are they bad for my Testosterone levels...

I looked them up, but can't make heads or tails out of all the info...Greek to me!

PS do you have a degree in Bio or organic chemistry??? Because you sure are smart...


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I've never seen increased levels of serotonin depleting testosterone. However what is insteresting is many SSRI Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (Prozac, Luvox or whatever) actually bleach the brain, and the net effect is pretty much all your hormones are going to drop as the pineal gland and such will be less effective.

The same result will come from fluordation of your water table one doctor did a pile of research showing the calcification of the brain because of water fluoridation.

"It is now known - thanks to the meticulous research of Dr. Jennifer Luke from the University of Surrey in England - that the pineal gland is the primary target of fluoride accumulation within the body."

[link to www.fluoridealert.org]



I always exhaust the natriopathic options first before I migrate to the phd butchers lol!! How about a good bottle of Melatonin - that stuff is great, and at about 50 mg of it you can induce lucid dreaming. I tried it, it was amazing I dreamed all night on it, right till I woke up. It was weird like I didn't sleep but I wasn't tired lol
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OP you are a wizard, please post more information about keeping yourself healthy.
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Go Exercise :) Then do it again, and repeat. No magic eat raw cabbage take Vit D, or suntan in good quantities, Porridge is good, eliminate all processed foods amap. If you only do that you'll live a looong healthy life.

And Cayenne pepper - it will deplaque your arteries, it was used as a heart medication as it is a vasiodilator, so its good to consume them and hot spices on a regular basis if your anus will not put up a fuss lol!
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Thanks OP.
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how long a period of time have you done this OP? From what I'm reading, sounds like it could be dangerous.
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Thanks for the write up. Very interesting.

My guess is you would want to take the Vitamin C in the morning and the Iodine in the evening.

Vitamin C would probably react with iodine by giving it an extra electron converting it to iodide so it seems you wouldn't want to take them together, correct?
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Thanks for the write up. Very interesting.

My guess is you would want to take the Vitamin C in the morning and the Iodine in the evening.

Vitamin C would probably react with iodine by giving it an extra electron converting it to iodide so it seems you wouldn't want to take them together, correct?
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Stagger them if you so choose, I take them together and notice no ill adverse effect.
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how long a period of time have you done this OP? From what I'm reading, sounds like it could be dangerous.
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The only danger I would be concerned so much about is your thyroid becoming exhausted from trying to generate too much T3/T4. If a person so chooses it would be good to cycle the protocol on and off.

I would listen to my body first, and adjust dosing as required. I do believe we are far more resilient than anyone ever realizes and if I had to choose between too much iodine, or too many halides it would be a no brainer. Taking iodine has been beneficial for me. I'm on year 6-7 of taking 5-10x the RDA on a on a ongoing basis.. I find personally if I go about 3-4 days without taking iodine my energy drops significantly. I do find sometime I will go a couple days and not take any.

I find taking it just prior to bed will leave me with too much energy, and I will have a poor sleep!
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I have not really taken Vitamin C and Iodine together since I started initially taking Iodine 6-7 years ago. But I do know that the last time I took them together I went from 235 down to 200lbs in a short period, and was also working out on a treadmill from the increased energy I had.. Its only been in the last few days I have made the connection that the two combined presented a weight loss solution. People are going to have to discover this for themselves, and just try it. I never really could figure out how I did that last time and I do believe this is it, as I have never since tried the two together, since my initial europhia about how much iodine gave me energy.

I do know that at my current age of 38 loosing weight is a serious endeavor with some commitment, and it's not as easy as it was when I was 25. Precursor hormones like DHEA are dropping at a rate of 15% per decade aged from our peaks at the age of 25. The same goes for everybody (you too!) As our hormones drop it slows down our healing - and once our rate of healing is slower than our rate of oxidational stress we start the aging process. That's why people will pay $700 for a vial of Growth Hormone. It will reactivate the healing process to a level that exceeds oxidative aging - and they will literally reverse age to a significant extent, become much more toned and loose a lot of their body fat.

If we can relengthen our telomere's, and induce a hormonal level that induces healing at a rate higher than oxidative stresses and aging, and toxicology damage we will have very long lifespans (aka > 120 years and forward).
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gonna try this. Thanks, OP.
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On my third week of HGH and wow I can see my abs. Haven't changed my diet or stopped drinking booze either.
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On my third week of HGH and wow I can see my abs. Haven't changed my diet or stopped drinking booze either.
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Where did you get your HGH
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On my third week of HGH and wow I can see my abs. Haven't changed my diet or stopped drinking booze either.
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I had a guy give me a source for like $300 a vial, I cannot remember who he said it was, but that was a really good deal for the proper HGH with the water etc etc. Its pretty tempting. Naturally the fear mongering parasitic government agents are buys harassing people from getting healthy - and probably reading this...
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Thanks OP...really do appreciate you sharing your knowledge. I was wondering what your recipe for porridge is? Thanks!
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OP, 1500 ug iodine is the same as 1500 mcg. Is this correct?

With regards to the protocoldetailed in this thread, do you have a problem with Kelp Thalus supplemnts which contain 330 mcg iodine?

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OP, 1500 ug iodine is the same as 1500 mcg. Is this correct?

With regards to the protocoldetailed in this thread, do you have a problem with Kelp Thalus supplemnts which contain 330 mcg iodine?
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Yep. 1500 ug is the same as 1500 mcg.

Nope - any available iodine source will do. Kelp will also have an array of other nutrients and minerals very beneficial to health.

I do not believe in 'exact protocols' its going to be different for every person depending on age, health, sex, weight, listen to your body and find what your comfortable with.

Myself I have upped my iodine intake and my Vitamin C significantly, since this writeup as I am curious to see it work - for myself.

I am noticing the following effects, sleeping more deeply and soundly - good and tired at end of the day, face is tightening up around the eye, and facial area for some reason.

I do feel 'lighter' even though I'm still not eating the perfect diet - Red Lobster last night lol! Where I am at the weight scale is completely out of wack so I have no reference to measure weight yet.
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Hi Op! I went to the health food store and bought a supplement called "Terry Naturally Thyroid care." The clerk talked me into buying it. She personally takes it and she said she's lost alot of weight and also has more energy. It says its 30 mg Iodine. It consists of 15 mg of potassium iodide, 7.5 of sodium iodide, and 7.5 mg of molecular iodine. It also has L-Tyrosine 400 mg. It claims on the bottle that L-Tyrosine is needed by the body to produce thyroid hormones.

I was wondering if you thought this sounded like it might work ok. It claims its 20,000 DV. Right now I'm also taking a low dosage of Levothyroid. My goal is to lose 20 lbs and then I'll be in a healthy weight range. Right now, even when I'm really strick on my diet, I still can only lose about 2 pounds a month. I hope this will raise my metabolism so that I can lose about 6 pounds a month. In the past I've always averaged 6 pounds a month with diet and excercise.

Thanks OP! I know I'm a little late to posting this. I hope you're still keeping track of this thread! I appreciate your posting this info!

hf
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This is going to be big, nothing for sale here just the protocol.

I wrote this paper explaining how it works, how by taking Vitamin C and Iodine in increased levels can trigger a hormonal tweak and subsequent weight loss.

Spread the word lets kick Big Pharma and Big Food in the nuts!!

[link to www.scribd.com]
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I would give almost anything if this actually worked.
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hmmmmmmmmmmmm...........why not just eat right, don't overeat, and maintain a healthy lifestyle?

mercola.com is a great place to begin.
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hmmmmmmmmmmmm...........why not just eat right, don't overeat, and maintain a healthy lifestyle?

mercola.com is a great place to begin.
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Certainly - :) Trying to eat healthy on a consistent basis in North America is like a heroin addict trying to stay off heroin while living in the corner of a warehouse filled with the stuff.

We have culturally accepted a high caloric, high fat, low nutritional food system, and its everywhere. Even at the grocery fatty, sugary processed foods take up 70% of the food aisles, yet the unrefined flours and rices take up maybe 20ft of a single aisle.

If they were looking out for our best interests they would of pulled aspartame, high fructose corn syrup, and MSG off the market decades ago..

Guys like Kevin Treadu sat in the meetings where big food was hiring scientists to discover ways to make the foot more fattenting, more addictive, and the consumer unable to get off of it.

"The most recent study to examine the addictive quality of fattening foods was published online March 28 by the journal Nature Neuroscience. For the paper, researchers at the Scripps Research Institute in Jupiter, Fla., examined three groups of lab rats that were fed various diets for 40 days. One group was given typical rat chow only; a second group was offered rat chow, plus a buffet of bacon, sausage, cheesecake, chocolate frosting and other delectable goodies for one hour a day; and a third group was allowed extended access to the fatty buffet for up to 23 hours a day. (See the 10 worst fast food meals.)

The extended-access group began consuming twice as many calories as the other rats, and, not surprisingly, became obese. The limited-access rats, meanwhile, developed a binge pattern of eating, consuming most of their daily calories during the single hour they were allowed in the junk food "cafeteria."

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Hi Op! I went to the health food store and bought a supplement called "Terry Naturally Thyroid care." The clerk talked me into buying it. She personally takes it and she said she's lost alot of weight and also has more energy. It says its 30 mg Iodine. It consists of 15 mg of potassium iodide, 7.5 of sodium iodide, and 7.5 mg of molecular iodine. It also has L-Tyrosine 400 mg. It claims on the bottle that L-Tyrosine is needed by the body to produce thyroid hormones.

I was wondering if you thought this sounded like it might work ok. It claims its 20,000 DV. Right now I'm also taking a low dosage of Levothyroid. My goal is to lose 20 lbs and then I'll be in a healthy weight range. Right now, even when I'm really strick on my diet, I still can only lose about 2 pounds a month. I hope this will raise my metabolism so that I can lose about 6 pounds a month. In the past I've always averaged 6 pounds a month with diet and excercise.

Thanks OP! I know I'm a little late to posting this. I hope you're still keeping track of this thread! I appreciate your posting this info!

hf
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Sure - sounds good (but some questions about it..) they covered both the Iodine, and the L-Tyrosine, the feedstocks for the T3/T4. I would simply add lots of Carrots for its Vitamin A, and of course the Vitamin C. The Vitamin A is going to help your Thyroid absorb the Iodine, the Vitamin C is going to increase TRH which is going to call the thyroid to make more (like turning up the thermostat basically of your body). 30mg of Iodine those is a large quantity - like wow! Thats 30,000 mcg, or ug of Iodine. I'm surprised their having people taking it at that levels, and when I have gone above 15,000 in the past (3 drops of lugols at 6,000 ug / drop) I started actually getting less energy, and needing to rest. Do you notice if your experiecing that?

At 30,000 you might even experience discomfort or swelling around your thyroid gland. It literally wraps around your lower neck and if it feels sore or swollen then listen to your body, and try reducing that dosage. Again that is what I would do for myself, as I cannot by law give or treat or recommend personal health advice to any individual.

I stick with a more modest 5-10x the RDA at about 1,500 to 3000 ug, or mcg, but if it works for you and your body is happy kudos! 1,500 to 3,000 is what works for me the best and I have stuck with it for a very long time.
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I would give almost anything if this actually worked.
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A bottle of Trophic Iodine is from $9 - 15, and Vitamin C you always see deals at the local big blocks. Its not a big investment coupled with a steady stream of exercise, and watching one's diet, to possibly greatly improve ones life. Go for it keep a weight log and post to this forum tell everybody if it works.

I swing back and forth into work camps with super crazy fatty foods literally lining the shelves keeping my weight down around them is a very tough endeavor. Its either that or eat boiled eggs every single day, or literally pack food to the work camp in my duffle bag so I at least can have a can of tuna.

When I am not in camp I eat awesome - a weight lifters diet, tuna, rice, chicken breasts, endless carrots, go work out all the time - I do see great results.
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Thanks OP...really do appreciate you sharing your knowledge. I was wondering what your recipe for porridge is? Thanks!
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Isn't it on the side of the bag when you buy quick oats?
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Hi Op! I went to the health food store and bought a supplement called "Terry Naturally Thyroid care." The clerk talked me into buying it. She personally takes it and she said she's lost alot of weight and also has more energy. It says its 30 mg Iodine. It consists of 15 mg of potassium iodide, 7.5 of sodium iodide, and 7.5 mg of molecular iodine. It also has L-Tyrosine 400 mg. It claims on the bottle that L-Tyrosine is needed by the body to produce thyroid hormones.

I was wondering if you thought this sounded like it might work ok. It claims its 20,000 DV. Right now I'm also taking a low dosage of Levothyroid. My goal is to lose 20 lbs and then I'll be in a healthy weight range. Right now, even when I'm really strick on my diet, I still can only lose about 2 pounds a month. I hope this will raise my metabolism so that I can lose about 6 pounds a month. In the past I've always averaged 6 pounds a month with diet and excercise.

Thanks OP! I know I'm a little late to posting this. I hope you're still keeping track of this thread! I appreciate your posting this info!

hf
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Sure - sounds good (but some questions about it..) they covered both the Iodine, and the L-Tyrosine, the feedstocks for the T3/T4. I would simply add lots of Carrots for its Vitamin A, and of course the Vitamin C. The Vitamin A is going to help your Thyroid absorb the Iodine, the Vitamin C is going to increase TRH which is going to call the thyroid to make more (like turning up the thermostat basically of your body). 30mg of Iodine those is a large quantity - like wow! Thats 30,000 mcg, or ug of Iodine. I'm surprised their having people taking it at that levels, and when I have gone above 15,000 in the past (3 drops of lugols at 6,000 ug / drop) I started actually getting less energy, and needing to rest. Do you notice if your experiecing that?

At 30,000 you might even experience discomfort or swelling around your thyroid gland. It literally wraps around your lower neck and if it feels sore or swollen then listen to your body, and try reducing that dosage. Again that is what I would do for myself, as I cannot by law give or treat or recommend personal health advice to any individual.

I stick with a more modest 5-10x the RDA at about 1,500 to 3000 ug, or mcg, but if it works for you and your body is happy kudos! 1,500 to 3,000 is what works for me the best and I have stuck with it for a very long time.
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Hi OP! Today is the first day of taking these pills. I did notice a feeling of nervousness and fast heartbeat come over me for awhile. I think I'll back off that dosage quite a bit because now that you've pointed it out, it does seem a little extreme. No wonder the sales lady was losing alot of weight! I think I'll go ahead and order the trophic instead, it might be safer. One thing that is really strange is it said you could safely up the amount to twice that but to build up to it. That would be 60 mg of Iodine a day. I wonder if it becomes toxic at that amount? I'm surprised they are allowed to sell it!

Thanks for warning me about the dosage! hf
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Had an actual M.D. perscribe Armour thyroid 300. The bitch almost killed me. Way too much!
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well.......this certainly has motivated me to go back and start with the iodine as i already do the vit c,D,brewers yeast,apple cider vinegar, a pinch ofgood sea salt with water etc-
but have been having too much detox headaches when taking more than a drop of the 2% lugols -can go about 3 days and WHAM it hits and hits hard--was very happy though with iodines "expectorant" qualities though--effortlessly hacking up years of bronchial JUNK.

thyroid crapped out about 10 years ago and man,what a you know what as those synthroids or levoxyls are a poor substitute for how i once felt and looked--packed on about 30pounds by now and i'm not too happy about this either.
Now i know how people joke about simply looking at food and gaining weight . I'm still very active etc but nothing is moving the fat.

thanks for the info and thanks for the pure happy joyous motivation to once again try and improve my health
as I most certainly do believe in nutrition and supplementing in a natural way !
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Thank you so much. I have chronic fatigue from 100% malfunctioning thyroid though on t3 and t4 supplements, and this looks very good. :)

Not just weight loss. Energy. And immune system.

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