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HOW TO DEFEAT BEING ON "THE LIST" - A How-To Guide

 
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What is an anonymizer?
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Only when humanity breaks free of the bonds of religious dogma, will we truly be able to grow as a species.
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How do I make the white vans go away?

........wait....

Now I have black helicopters circling the house.

OP... Help!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1152779


I'll be happy to assist.

Put out a large "Obama for 2012" sign in your yard - big enough to be read by helicopter. That will let them know you are a loyal party member.
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might have a crowd of folks show up with hot tar and feathers.....
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Fuck 'em

I'm on a List, Whoo Hoo.....

We are ALL on a list

TPTB are looking after themselves NO-ONE Else...

NO-ONE

FEAR is their tool..
 Quoting: strange fellow


I feel that bro, no idea if I'm on a list somewhere, but if there's too many of us who just don't care they can't really do anything about it.
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I'm going down to the DMV and try setting up my driver's license with a temporary address - see what happens.

While I'm at it I'll change my registered address with the post office. The forced me to fill out a new form (homeland security crap) and divulge my physical address. I think I'll change that as well, bastards.

The Feds act like they own us, like slaves!
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I'm going down to the DMV and try setting up my driver's license with a temporary address - see what happens.

While I'm at it I'll change my registered address with the post office. The forced me to fill out a new form (homeland security crap) and divulge my physical address. I think I'll change that as well, bastards.

The Feds act like they own us, like slaves!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1476119


Hey, I just did this. The voter registration desk didn't require me to show any address paperwork - that, and a vehicle registration (with my temporary address) was all I needed to get past the trannical DHS RealID crap.

My license now shows a temporary address that I've never lived at, will never live at. Same with my post office box!!!

F the Man.
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i just changed my name to dick cheney
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Paranoid much?
 Quoting: BRIEF


Paid government shill.

He's trying to infect you with the inability to resist ignorance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4991679


I would love an app to hunt down these shills. Trace them down to an IP, then a street address. From there (most likely a strip mall or non-descript warehouse business) to the desk of a greasy gov't paid shill working a ManTech contract.

You can imagine their eyes going round as you sit down next to them and smile. The smell of sudden excrement wafting from their seats...
 Quoting: Cheyenne


....until you realize that they are better at the game than you,......and the excrement is in your pants as you are apprehended while pulling into the parking lot of said non-descript offices and your very own posts, like the above, are trotted out for you,....right after you claim you were just going there out of curiosity.

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The real scary thing about government watch lists, Red-Blue lists, ect. is that they know where you live. I'll give some tips here on how to make you the hardest 5% to find if they ever try scooping people up.

But first some questions for you:

Why do you think Census workers religiously GPS marked every home and possible habitation on their tablet computers? [link to www.wnd.com]

Why do you think the RealID standards are so obsessed with your home of residence? RealID is now known as "Gold Star". [link to www.scribd.com]

Answer: The State is telegraphing to you the famous words of Mobsters: "We know where you live..."

What You Can Do

1) Use a prepaid cell phone and reload with cash. There's even smart phones with prepaid plans now. Get an internet voice mail account phone number and give that out to anyone you don't trust - like the government, banks, ect. Don't ever give them your cell phone number.
 Quoting: Cheyenne


But the online voicemail (which, face it, most people are gonna go with google voice) connects to the pre-paid cell number which can be connected to you if you make or recieve any calls to or from any of your friends that have a contract based phone. If they are interested in you, they're checkin out all your friends too. You can be pegged to a pre-paid phone in about 5 minutes.

2) Rent a cheap apartment in the seediest part of town you can find. The parts cops are afraid to go to. Cost $250 every four years. Kill the lease after a month.
 Quoting: Cheyenne


Unfortunately it doesn't work at all like that. I live in one of those neighborhoods. The rent isn't $250 every 4 years...it was supposed to be $450 a month but since it's the slums the slumlords know they can get away with just about anything so most of them don't even give you a lease and my slumlord has charged me as much as $630 for a months rent because he knew he could and that I was not really in a position to do much about it and have no legal prrof of what the rent is actually supposed to be.

The other issue with renting a slum apartment without the intent of living in it is...how wasteful and shitty could you possibly be? Like you're more important than the poor person who is trying to find an apartment to live in?! You're just gonna rent up a place and leave it empty? That is something that someone with more money than they've got sense would do.

3) Get a post office box and on the registration form put your cheap apartment address. Never have mail go to the house you live in.

4) Get that home address off your driver's license! When it comes time to renew your DL, renew your license and give a P.O. Box for the mailing address. Provide the cheap apartment lease paperwork as proof of your physical address. If allowed, give a full face smile when they photograph you. This will cause facial recognition programs issues.

5) Fill out warranty cards, surveys, ect. with your apartment address. Give out the voice mail line like a real phone number. Get loyalty cards from supermarkets and fill out with your safe "public" address. This is how Big Brother gathers information on you - through "Little Brother" - corporate America.

6) Run your own business. If not, provide your employer with the info above. Your place of work is your Achilles Heel from a privacy standpoint.
 Quoting: Cheyenne


Yeah, but it's still YOUR NAME! Hurr durr. Unless you're talking about DIY witness protection then you're just talking shit and being paranoid. All of this shit you're talking about still has YOUR NAME WRITTEN PLAINLY ALL OVER IT. What are you, like 16 or something? Only someone with no life experience whatsoever would even think that this is good advice.

7) Put your Internet account in your business name or get free Wifi access. Use good privacy practices with your computer in regards to cookies, SOL cookies, ect.

8) Use an anonymizer when posting about controversial material (danke 2690470)
 Quoting: Cheyenne


And most of the anonymizers are run by intelligence agencies or private security firms that sell the information to the intelligence agencies. The TOR Project was jointly started by the Naval Research Labs and the Office of Naval Intelligence back in the late mid-90's.

"As every man goes through life he fills in a number of forms for the record, each containing a number of questions . There are thus hundreds of little threads radiating from every man, millions of threads in all... Each man, permanently aware of his own invisible threads, naturally develops a respect for the people who manipulate the threads."

Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Cancer Ward.
 Quoting: Cheyenne


16 year old boy living out his paranoid fantasies on yet another internet conspiracy forum.
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Didn't the Wikileaks guy just release a bunch of cables with info about this very same thing? Didn't he give a press conference that ended with "You're all screwed?"

Very timely info OP!

hf
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Didn't the Wikileaks guy just release a bunch of cables with info about this very same thing? Didn't he give a press conference that ended with "You're all screwed?"

Very timely info OP!

hf
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timely bloody bollocks more like.
Cheyenne (OP)

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Paranoid much?
 Quoting: BRIEF


Paid government shill.

He's trying to infect you with the inability to resist ignorance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4991679


I would love an app to hunt down these shills. Trace them down to an IP, then a street address. From there (most likely a strip mall or non-descript warehouse business) to the desk of a greasy gov't paid shill working a ManTech contract.

You can imagine their eyes going round as you sit down next to them and smile. The smell of sudden excrement wafting from their seats...
 Quoting: Cheyenne


....until you realize that they are better at the game than you,......and the excrement is in your pants as you are apprehended while pulling into the parking lot of said non-descript offices and your very own posts, like the above, are trotted out for you,....right after you claim you were just going there out of curiosity.

cool2
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1331428


An apologist for the police state. You've watched too many NCIS episodes and your faith in the surveillance state is misplaced.

We all know how this started - with the Patriot Act.

Let me tell you how it will end:

Remember in Eastern Europe in the late 1980's. Ransacked soviet bureaucracies, mobs storming secret police headquarters, informant files being looted.

I see the same thing happening here. Instead of files, hard drives will be carried out - then the fun begins. Names of informants and shills will be published. Unlike the fall of the USSR where KGB types melted back into society and disappeared, those GS and contractor types who violated the Constitution will be dealt with.

I predict that once this country returns to the Constitution, there will be no comfortable place for those of the former police state in CONUS. May I suggest Canada, shill? Or how about south of the border for your future home?
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The real scary thing about government watch lists, Red-Blue lists, ect. is that they know where you live. I'll give some tips here on how to make you the hardest 5% to find if they ever try scooping people up.

Yeah, but it's still YOUR NAME! Hurr durr. Unless you're talking about DIY witness protection then you're just talking shit and being paranoid. All of this shit you're talking about still has YOUR NAME WRITTEN PLAINLY ALL OVER IT. What are you, like 16 or something? Only someone with no life experience whatsoever would even think that this is good advice.

7) Put your Internet account in your business name or get free Wifi access. Use good privacy practices with your computer in regards to cookies, SOL cookies, ect.

8) Use an anonymizer when posting about controversial material (danke 2690470)
 Quoting: Cheyenne


And most of the anonymizers are run by intelligence agencies or private security firms that sell the information to the intelligence agencies. The TOR Project was jointly started by the Naval Research Labs and the Office of Naval Intelligence back in the late mid-90's.

"As every man goes through life he fills in a number of forms for the record, each containing a number of questions . There are thus hundreds of little threads radiating from every man, millions of threads in all... Each man, permanently aware of his own invisible threads, naturally develops a respect for the people who manipulate the threads."

Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Cancer Ward.
 Quoting: Cheyenne


16 year old boy living out his paranoid fantasies on yet another internet conspiracy forum.
 Quoting: Cheyenne

You need to fully read the OP before shooting off your mouth.

I'll give some tips here on how to make you the hardest 5% to find if they ever try scooping people up.

The idea behind this post was not to completely disappear, but avoid being low hanging fruit in the unlikely event they try scooping people up.

"16 year old boy living out his paranoid fantasies on yet another internet conspiracy forum."

Ho, ho. That's a good one. Try 20 years in the very fields of electronic surveillance, communications, and remote sensing. Perhaps you were describing yourself?
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...or you could just avoid all of this and go live in a unabomber style shack deep in the woods.
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First this posting was put up in October - some thought it was just a paranoid rambling.

Then the NDAA was passed with the revokation of the Bill of Rights.

Now we hear some congress prick from PA who wants to revoke your citizenship for exercising your 1st Amendment rights. Rep. Charles Dent, you are a domestic enemy of the Constitution.

It seems like hiding your home address from Big Brother scores 1, shills 0.
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Paranoid much?
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lol
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Paranoid much?
 Quoting: BRIEF

What's the expression again?

'Being paranoid doesn't mean you're not being followed...' :)
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well well well---guess what ?
they know where we live and we know where they live.


besides that GPS shyte--didn't the little acorn ask you how many means of "egress" on that dwelling ?
how many rooms ? inhabitants
etc
LM@O ! so now they have this GPS and want to know if/how you can get out---shades of ussama !

i told them to go over to theee dept of buildings, as everything is right there for them to view as public knowledge
and i was then told-"don't make this difficult"
i......quietly...........closed......my door
and i live in a very crowded area and this was in JULY 2010.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1169966


Let me get this straight: they asked you how many ways out of your house there are? WTF???

The bass-turds came to my place last year, I told them it was a business location, not residential. They went away.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1476119


I nearly had to physically throw a census puke off my front porch. They spent months gathering in a coffee shop near here to plot how they they would get onto the local 5 acres properties and get the info that people refused to divulge on the paper census form that was mailed out.

These people were interested in a pay-check and zero concept that they were intimidating people and trespassing under guise of law, when, in truth they were thoroughly OUTSIDE the law.
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Thanks, all.
I try to tell folks about this, but, you know...
It was enough for me when I read about the "day patrols" plane, now I laugh as they furiously patrol the supermarket parking lot, but it is really not funny.
Then the "night patrol planeS" every night just
made me sick, I point them out and folks are stunned,
but I can't stop them.
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well well well---guess what ?
they know where we live and we know where they live.


besides that GPS shyte--didn't the little acorn ask you how many means of "egress" on that dwelling ?
how many rooms ? inhabitants
etc
LM@O ! so now they have this GPS and want to know if/how you can get out---shades of ussama !

i told them to go over to theee dept of buildings, as everything is right there for them to view as public knowledge
and i was then told-"don't make this difficult"
i......quietly...........closed......my door
and i live in a very crowded area and this was in JULY 2010.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1169966


Let me get this straight: they asked you how many ways out of your house there are? WTF???

The bass-turds came to my place last year, I told them it was a business location, not residential. They went away.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1476119


I nearly had to physically throw a census puke off my front porch. They spent months gathering in a coffee shop near here to plot how they they would get onto the local 5 acres properties and get the info that people refused to divulge on the paper census form that was mailed out.

These people were interested in a pay-check and zero concept that they were intimidating people and trespassing under guise of law, when, in truth they were thoroughly OUTSIDE the law.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20596154


Census Acorns in my area were the same. By being persistent in trying to hunt me down, the census lady and her family now has the reputation as being part of the Federal Vichy government around here. Not the kind of rep you want in Wyoming.
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