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Our Spiral System

 
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Ive tried to explain this concept to my friends multiple times. I said we are never in the same piece of space EVER. Question is, do the planets rotate perpendicular to the way the sun is traveling like the pic above or some other configuration that is much more complicated to visualize?
 Quoting: fraudulentzodiac


HA! That was EXACTLY my question! BUT, even if we moved parallel, we still have a waveform movement along the ecliptic of the galaxy. So the spiral would be skewed. OH! I wonder if we are angled perpendicular on the way 'down' and through the ecliptic, and transition perpendicular towards the apex of curve to perpendicular on the upswing. THAT is an interesting concept...whichever it is.
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What baffles me is the celestial mechanism that would cause the sun to travel in the sine wave form. What makes it turn back at the apex? I know its all balance, but its like we hit he roof of space then head back down the curve. Mind blowing...

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question though, dont spirals come to an end in the center? or is it just one of those infinity things?
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Perhaps the spiral aspect we are looking at is the center portion of a torus. Whether it's a columnar flow or a pinch-point develops is entirely dependent on the shape charge.

The eternal return/recursive fractal aspect is the outer/counter movement of the internal spiral.
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makes perfect sense. but like the OP said, the title is a little misleading.

we are orbiting the sun but since the sun is moving if we had a "tail" it would spiral.
 Quoting: MrOysterhead


It is the motion of movement that the tail is representing. So, we ARE moving spiral in form, we just don't 'see' that we do because there are no 'trails' visible.
 Quoting: SickScent


right....at least i think we are agreeing, lol.

question though, dont spirals come to an end in the center? or is it just one of those infinity things?
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They go through a type of inversion process, I imagine. Also, you are thinking in 3 dimensions. You need to think in more dimensions. Once you do that, you realize that the spiral is actually a torus in shape, and movement can retain infinite qualities.



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What baffles me is the celestial mechanism that would cause the sun to travel in the sine wave form. What makes it turn back at the apex? I know its all balance, but its like we hit he roof of space then head back down the curve. Mind blowing...

bonghit
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The barycenter does.

Sometimes the center of the solar systems gravity is outside of the sun. And the sun orbits around it.
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this is getting above my head now but fascinating nonetheless.

guess i got some research to do.
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Cool, SS! Thanks!

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What baffles me is the celestial mechanism that would cause the sun to travel in the sine wave form. What makes it turn back at the apex? I know its all balance, but its like we hit he roof of space then head back down the curve. Mind blowing...

bonghit
 Quoting: fraudulentzodiac

The barycenter does.

Sometimes the center of the solar systems gravity is outside of the sun. And the sun orbits around it.
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex


Ahh yesss.... That good ole barycenter.

What are your guys' feelings on the binary star theory? As Walter Cruttenton would say we are in a binary with the blue star of Sirius. Maybe that has something to do with the Interstellar Fluff?
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This also relates to the endless amount
of things related to spirals in existence. The most obvious example is our DNA.
 Quoting: doo doo butter 1441655


I have come to a firm conclusion, that the universe is spiral in form. From vibration in 4 dimensions, to Birkeland currents, Fibonacci, torus in motion, on and on...everything is spiral in form.

:SpiralS:

:bhjets:
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Is why pyramid structures figure so prominently in the scheme of things?
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What baffles me is the celestial mechanism that would cause the sun to travel in the sine wave form. What makes it turn back at the apex? I know its all balance, but its like we hit he roof of space then head back down the curve. Mind blowing...

bonghit
 Quoting: fraudulentzodiac

The barycenter does.

Sometimes the center of the solar systems gravity is outside of the sun. And the sun orbits around it.
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex

Other points of angular motion to consider: The rolling/eddy/vortexijah(look that up) of our little off shoot from the Orion arm of the Milky Way.....coupled with the possibility that the Sol system was originally from the Sag dwarf galaxy that ol Milky is assimilating. Our larger wobble could come from gradual stabilization within the larger disk...

Also, most star systems are 2 or more orbiting members, the chances of the sun having one or more than one long orbit companions are high.

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Effects of planets on barycenter:

[link to orbitsimulator.com]
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What baffles me is the celestial mechanism that would cause the sun to travel in the sine wave form. What makes it turn back at the apex? I know its all balance, but its like we hit he roof of space then head back down the curve. Mind blowing...

bonghit
 Quoting: fraudulentzodiac

The barycenter does.

Sometimes the center of the solar systems gravity is outside of the sun. And the sun orbits around it.
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex

Other points of angular motion to consider: The rolling/eddy/vortexijah(look that up) of our little off shoot from the Orion arm of the Milky Way.....coupled with the possibility that the Sol system was originally from the Sag dwarf galaxy that ol Milky is assimilating. Our larger wobble could come from gradual stabilization within the larger disk...

Also, most star systems are 2 or more orbiting members, the chances of the sun having one or more than one long orbit companions are high.
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex


I have heard of the Sagittarius Galaxy theory. Some say that is why the galactic plane is "crooked" in the sky. According to the guys over at Thunderbolts.info, 85% of stars have a companion. That is pretty damn likely.

[link to www.thunderbolts.info]

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Is why pyramid structures figure so prominently in the scheme of things?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1371470

Many reasons.....and sometimes the scheme of things figure prominently in pyramid structures =)



Wikimid:

In 1859, the pyramidologist John Taylor claimed that, in the Great Pyramid of Giza, the golden ratio is represented by the ratio of the length of the face (the slope height), inclined at an angle θ to the ground, to half the length of the side of the square base, equivalent to the secant of the angle θ.[77] The above two lengths were about 186.4 and 115.2 meters respectively. The ratio of these lengths is the golden ratio, accurate to more digits than either of the original measurements. Similarly, Howard Vyse, according to Matila Ghyka,[78] reported the great pyramid height 148.2 m, and half-base 116.4 m, yielding 1.6189 for the ratio of slant height to half-base, again more accurate than the data variability.

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This also relates to the endless amount
of things related to spirals in existence. The most obvious example is our DNA.
 Quoting: doo doo butter 1441655


I have come to a firm conclusion, that the universe is spiral in form. From vibration in 4 dimensions, to Birkeland currents, Fibonacci, torus in motion, on and on...everything is spiral in form.

:SpiralS:

:bhjets:
 Quoting: SickScent


Is why pyramid structures figure so prominently in the scheme of things?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1371470


Kind of. Pyramid is a representation of the first stable form of matter...a tetrahedron. The 1st dimension of a tetrahedron is a sphere (torus). 4 of them make the first stable form of mass. The tetrahedron.
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Effects of planets on barycenter:

[link to orbitsimulator.com]
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Very cool! thumbs
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This also relates to the endless amount
of things related to spirals in existence. The most obvious example is our DNA.
 Quoting: doo doo butter 1441655


I have come to a firm conclusion, that the universe is spiral in form. From vibration in 4 dimensions, to Birkeland currents, Fibonacci, torus in motion, on and on...everything is spiral in form.

:SpiralS:

:bhjets:
 Quoting: SickScent


Is why pyramid structures figure so prominently in the scheme of things?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1371470


A lot of pyramids use the golden ratio. 1.618, the same exact ratio of the Fibonacci Sequence. Which is the sequence of life.
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Kind of. Pyramid is a representation of the first stable form of matter...a tetrahedron. The 1st dimension of a tetrahedron is a sphere (torus). 4 of them make the first stable form of mass. The tetrahedron. - SickScent


Damn that was going to be my next post....

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What baffles me is the celestial mechanism that would cause the sun to travel in the sine wave form. What makes it turn back at the apex? I know its all balance, but its like we hit he roof of space then head back down the curve. Mind blowing...

bonghit
 Quoting: fraudulentzodiac

The barycenter does.

Sometimes the center of the solar systems gravity is outside of the sun. And the sun orbits around it.
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex

Other points of angular motion to consider: The rolling/eddy/vortexijah(look that up) of our little off shoot from the Orion arm of the Milky Way.....coupled with the possibility that the Sol system was originally from the Sag dwarf galaxy that ol Milky is assimilating. Our larger wobble could come from gradual stabilization within the larger disk...

Also, most star systems are 2 or more orbiting members, the chances of the sun having one or more than one long orbit companions are high.
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex


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Is why pyramid structures figure so prominently in the scheme of things?
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Kind of. Pyramid is a representation of the first stable form of matter...a tetrahedron. The 1st dimension of a tetrahedron is a sphere (torus). 4 of them make the first stable form of mass. The tetrahedron.


Damn that was going to be my next post....


HAHA! Beat you to it!
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These also explain, or demonstrate, the real path we follow, a corkscrew.

The first one is only 17 seconds, well within the attention span of most.




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This also relates to the endless amount
of things related to spirals in existence. The most obvious example is our DNA.
 Quoting: doo doo butter 1441655


I have come to a firm conclusion, that the universe is spiral in form. From vibration in 4 dimensions, to Birkeland currents, Fibonacci, torus in motion, on and on...everything is spiral in form.

:SpiralS:

:bhjets:
 Quoting: SickScent


Is why pyramid structures figure so prominently in the scheme of things?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1371470


A lot of pyramids use the golden ratio. 1.618, the same exact ratio of the Fibonacci Sequence. Which is the sequence of life.
 Quoting: fraudulentzodiac


Lateral movement!

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... and we're moving fast.
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:spiralsystem:
 Quoting: SickScent


this is why i keep saying that time travel is not possible..

you need to travel time AND move in space at the same time. so time travel will be an excellent way for one way space travels more than visiting your grandpa.
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These also explain, or demonstrate, the real path we follow, a corkscrew.

The first one is only 17 seconds, well within the attention span of most.




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That first diagram is the same one in the first post by SS.


I love your avatar btw...lol
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A lot of pyramids use the golden ratio. 1.618, the same exact ratio of the Fibonacci Sequence. Which is the sequence of life.
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Of aggregate life yes, but before that is the pattern/law of doubling to grow, you see this in cellular mitosis and in the musical scale.


We could probably compose a vertical equation of these functions as they rise and create the next scale iteration....well a functional sequence anyway and we'll find out which way is up when we get it to work! chuckle

Marko Rodin is quite a ways into the field of turning these living mathematics into functional tech....Tesla style sun
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Is this thread pinned yet??

So tired of all the BS pins where you cant learn a damn thing.
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A lot of pyramids use the golden ratio. 1.618, the same exact ratio of the Fibonacci Sequence. Which is the sequence of life.
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Of aggregate life yes, but before that is the pattern/law of doubling to grow, you see this in cellular mitosis and in the musical scale.


We could probably compose a vertical equation of these functions as they rise and create the next scale iteration....well a functional sequence anyway and we'll find out which way is up when we get it to work! chuckle

Marko Rodin is quite a ways into the field of turning these living mathematics into functional tech....Tesla style sun
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applause
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I have come to a firm conclusion, that the universe is spiral in form. From vibration in 4 dimensions, to Birkeland currents, Fibonacci, torus in motion, on and on...everything is spiral in form.

:SpiralS:

:bhjets:
 Quoting: SickScent


Is why pyramid structures figure so prominently in the scheme of things?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1371470


A lot of pyramids use the golden ratio. 1.618, the same exact ratio of the Fibonacci Sequence. Which is the sequence of life.
 Quoting: fraudulentzodiac


Lateral movement!


 Quoting: SickScent


I watched this vid the other day when I was checking out that post you made about Tool. I was thinking to myself...this could be a good visualizer for mind expanding substances. That graphic artist has his shit together.
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SS, you have a brilliant mind. I love each and every post you do. You have a much grander understanding of the universe then some of my professors.

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Namaste Brother!

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SS, you have a brilliant mind. I love each and every post you do. You have a much grander understanding of the universe then some of my professors.

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Namaste Brother!

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