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Oct 7-8th Elenin Images From GRAS - 45p/Honda Closing In On Stereo A Until Nov 7th

 
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Oct 7-8th Elenin Images From GRAS - 45p/Honda Closing In On Stereo A Until Nov 7th
On the Oct 7th images, I see nothing on the GRAS Images. Note, the 2 Stars in between the Three main ones are Magnitude 17.5. You can see the Dim Stars, but No Comet Elenin. On the Oct 8th images, a couple smudges can be seen close to the Elenin positions in a couple of the images.

45p/Honda will be visible on Stereo A HI2 until it makes it's Close Passage on Nov 8th at a mere 0.127 AU from the Camera.

Hi Def Version: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_Ne2agcIEc


Hi Def Version: www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lbmg6_CI1E


Hi Def Version: www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfSR_dTJT48


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Re: Oct 7-8th Elenin Images From GRAS - 45p/Honda Closing In On Stereo A Until Nov 7th
Anyone see a Comet anywhere? Dwarf hiding under a pixel?

Here is the Yahoo link;
[link to tech.groups.yahoo.com]
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Re: Oct 7-8th Elenin Images From GRAS - 45p/Honda Closing In On Stereo A Until Nov 7th
Here's a video I just did for Francis Walsh examining his images from this morning;



He might mention it here: [link to www.freedomslips.com]
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Nice work in that video.

So still can not see the comet remains,
how is it for a comet to dissapear that way?
Do you remember any other similar to this?

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Nice work in that video.

So still can not see the comet remains,
how is it for a comet to dissapear that way?
Do you remember any other similar to this?

gaah
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The case for fragmentation is looking very strong. That would explain recent events. There is a formula for predicting if a comet will fragment at perihelion, Elenin was right at the dividing line. The case for that formula being correct is looking stronger...
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Re: Oct 7-8th Elenin Images From GRAS - 45p/Honda Closing In On Stereo A Until Nov 7th
well im from kansas and was listening to the weather station here this afternoon. they showed skycam to the east in the sky to talk about the weather outside were i noticed a object in the sky [looked round and not moving]. i though they were going to talk about the object but didnt. every night the object is in the eastern sky and bright.do u think this is elenin or the comet that is suppose to pass between the earth and moon...
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well im from kansas and was listening to the weather station here this afternoon. they showed skycam to the east in the sky to talk about the weather outside were i noticed a object in the sky [looked round and not moving]. i though they were going to talk about the object but didnt. every night the object is in the eastern sky and bright.do u think this is elenin or the comet that is suppose to pass between the earth and moon...
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Hmmmm...

The Moon rose in Lawrence Kansas around 4:40 pm today, bearing 100° T. The next brightest object in your sky would be Jupiter. Jupiter rose at 8 pm bearing 074° T. At 10 pm tonight, from Lawrence, Jupiter will be bearing 092° T altitude 23°.

You can't see Elenin with a telescope, I don't think you will see it tonight. I don't know of any Comet that will be passing between the Earth & Moon anytime soon.
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Hi TBar, in your opinion, do you think Elenin's fragments will be viewable at any time in the near future or will they be too faint to see?
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Hi TBar, in your opinion, do you think Elenin's fragments will be viewable at any time in the near future or will they be too faint to see?
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It looks like you will need a very large scope to see anything.

I will hand you another real conspiracy. Anyone notice the glaring inconsistencies with the two main images I viewed today? The one from this morning was said to be taken with a "5" refractor and ST10xmei ccd" [link to tech.groups.yahoo.com] yet, we are looking at Stars at magnitudes dimmer than 17. The images I received from Francis were said to be taken with a 20" 'deep space' scope, yet it appears to have trouble with anything dimmer than around magnitude 14.

Exposure times? 'Deep Space' is not 0.267 AU? Anyway, I thought I'd point that out.

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Nice work in that video.

So still can not see the comet remains,
how is it for a comet to dissapear that way?
Do you remember any other similar to this?

gaah
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The case for fragmentation is looking very strong. That would explain recent events. There is a formula for predicting if a comet will fragment at perihelion, Elenin was right at the dividing line. The case for that formula being correct is looking stronger...
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It did get taged by at least two CME's

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Re: Oct 7-8th Elenin Images From GRAS - 45p/Honda Closing In On Stereo A Until Nov 7th
TBar I think I may have something but have no idea whether it is Elenin! Sure looks like a comet though.

[link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov]

Go to Sterio Ahead Hl2

Date range 20111001 to 20111008

512 resolution
slide show

Increase speed to max

Just to the right of whatever planet is showing you see what appears to be a small object with tail away from the sun moving up the screen and slightly across to the right in direction! Sorry, I can't do captures.
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It's going to get a lot closer to Stereo A over the next month. It looks like Comet Levy will be making an appearance on Stereo A soon as well.

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Well, a least you will be able to watch one Comet through Nov, even if it's only on a satellite...
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is there any possibility that this comet still being in one piece?
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is there any possibility that this comet still being in one piece?
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It's possible, but not very probable. Francis sent more images this morning, I'm working on another video.
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Does anyone know if there's any evidence from past events to the idea that a comet's fragments will decelerate as a result of the disintegration process?
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The Great Chicago Fire and the Peshtigo fire were caused by a comer breaking up over the Midwest if that's what you mean.
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Hey, TBar, good work.
Looks like the "sour-grapes-Elenin-Doom-tard" people gave you a one star rating, lol...
Guess they can't handle the fact that Elenin was always just an insignificant little comet. Not some Holy harbinger of doom :)
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Does anyone know if there's any evidence from past events to the idea that a comet's fragments will decelerate as a result of the disintegration process?
 Quoting: A Voice In The Wilderness


One more time.

Comets have disintegrated in the past, they don't slow down, and they don't instantly scatter...

Comet Elenin Could Be Disintegrating
[link to www.universetoday.com]

“You don’t see it it that often, but it happens surprisingly more than people think,” Musgrave said. “Van Ness just happened, but ever couple of years there is a comet that visibly breaks up into fragments, maybe about 6 comets in the last 10 years — excluding the Kreutz-sun-grazer family of comets which split and vaporize on a regular basis.”

“But you have to remember that when a comet breaks up, the fragments stay in the same orbit. If it evaporates, you’ll have a mass of rubble and gas on the same orbit. People don’t seem to get that space is big, really big, and when a comet breaks up it follows Newtons Laws and the fragments will slowly draw apart, but over the timescale that we see them, the difference will be so miniscule.”

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New Oct 8th images;

Hi Def Version: www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lbmg6_CI1E


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Images of Elenin from Today.

The only Images of it on the board....

hmm
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Here's the post about J. Bortle’s formula for disintegration.

Comet Elenin – the final prospect
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"...We spoke earlier about the probablility of such an outcome, but I considered it less than 50%. On the graph at left you can see a selection of ten comets that approach the Sun closer than 0.5 a.u. The red line shows the boundary, to the left of which, derived from J. Bortle’s formula, is the safe zone, but to the right is the zone of disintegration. The yellow color shows Comet Elenin, with absolute magnitude obtained by visual observations, and the blue is from JPL-NASA data. As we see, Bortle’s formula, all-in-all, doesn’t work too badly..."
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is there any possibility that this comet still being in one piece?
tomato
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The comet was never in one piece. It's always been a cluster.
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is there any possibility that this comet still being in one piece?
tomato
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The comet was never in one piece. It's always been a cluster.
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Right.
There is a detailed list of the 2275 Observations made over a period of over 9 months, somehow, none of those Observations were capable of detecting that Elenin was a cluster.
[link to minorplanetcenter.net]
Right...
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is there any possibility that this comet still being in one piece?
tomato
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The comet was never in one piece. It's always been a cluster.
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Right.
There is a detailed list of the 2275 Observations made over a period of over 9 months, somehow, none of those Observations were capable of detecting that Elenin was a cluster.
[link to minorplanetcenter.net]
Right...
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I have seen them all more times that I'd like to admit.

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