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Calling all Great Minds: A discussion on Reality

 
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There is no wrong or right, of course, so I don't anticipate heated discussion.
 Quoting: Chaol


There is only one correct - that is, right - explanation of reality; all other explanations are incorrect - that is, wrong.

Sorry to pop that epistemic bubble, but it needs to be pointed out.
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I am so glad you get it. You are right, from your perspective.
Nothing is irrelevant.
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Evil serves good, and good serves evil, without one you couldnt get the other.

Weather we view somthing as bad or good, depends on perception, one mans rubbish can be an others man treasure.

Who therefore has the wisdom to judge such?

Unless the true needs and intent of each individual is known, or at the least, underlineing principles relative to both.
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This is a discussion on reality. All "old souls", inquisitive minds, skeptical minds, confused minds, and others are invited to crack the Reality nut (or go nuts in the process).

This can be quite a confusing matter to discuss, so I'd like to propose that we use two kinds of English.

1) Most Accurate (MA)
2) Plain English (PE)

Sometimes the only way to answer something is to try to express in the most accurate way possible. Usually this means resorting to quotation marks and high conceptual pathways in order to try to translate the complexities of the response (#1).

At other times we need to speak plainly, without quotes and complex syntax, so that others can easily understand. (So, #2.)

Feel free to respond as you wish. But for me I will begin some questions and responses with a "MA" or "PE" notation. Sometimes I may do both.

Yes, the true nature of reality can be complicated. But it really shouldn't be.

We can put our minds together to make sense of it, and understand a bit more about ourselves in the process.

About me:

I have a few threads on this site. During the past 2 years I've been posting about perception and perspective, dream world integration, reality, quantum physics, the world at large, etc.

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
Thread: Neuronics: The future of humanity (Humanity without physicality)
Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": September 29 - October 28. (Do you know what happened at Farpoint Station?)

But I'd like this to be a thread about how you think about reality, and other great minds to explain how reality works.

There is no wrong or right, of course, so I don't anticipate heated discussion.

If you want to know or share something about reality, post it here!
 Quoting: Chaol


bsflag

Only a moran would come to GLP in search of "great minds"
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1. Question is: do we exist because of each others perceptions, or one singular perception from God?

2. Is this God's reality, God's verse and we are his dreams?

3. Does the remaining 89% of brain-matter that we don't use construct our current verse...reality?

4. Reality has an owner...who?

 Quoting: CrazyBud


1dunno1

Anybody?
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I will give this a try:

1. We exist "because" of our (own) perceptions, that IS what we are. You only exist now (whatever your now (most relative perspective) is)... You could say (as you likely see it now) your past is gone and your future is not yet here.

2. It is God's reality. You,just you, are God. Or if you doubt you are god and don't believe you are, you do not believe in an all powerful all knowing being. That is god, from your perspective. Once you know everything that is, was and will be, you will cease to exist and be god.

3. No. The brain itself is something you perceive.

4. You.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


nice!
There's plenty of room for all God's creatures, right next to the mashed potatoes...noli timere messorem
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This is a discussion on reality. All "old souls", inquisitive minds, skeptical minds, confused minds, and others are invited to crack the Reality nut (or go nuts in the process).

This can be quite a confusing matter to discuss, so I'd like to propose that we use two kinds of English.

1) Most Accurate (MA)
2) Plain English (PE)

Sometimes the only way to answer something is to try to express in the most accurate way possible. Usually this means resorting to quotation marks and high conceptual pathways in order to try to translate the complexities of the response (#1).

At other times we need to speak plainly, without quotes and complex syntax, so that others can easily understand. (So, #2.)

Feel free to respond as you wish. But for me I will begin some questions and responses with a "MA" or "PE" notation. Sometimes I may do both.

Yes, the true nature of reality can be complicated. But it really shouldn't be.

We can put our minds together to make sense of it, and understand a bit more about ourselves in the process.

About me:

I have a few threads on this site. During the past 2 years I've been posting about perception and perspective, dream world integration, reality, quantum physics, the world at large, etc.

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
Thread: Neuronics: The future of humanity (Humanity without physicality)
Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": September 29 - October 28. (Do you know what happened at Farpoint Station?)

But I'd like this to be a thread about how you think about reality, and other great minds to explain how reality works.

There is no wrong or right, of course, so I don't anticipate heated discussion.

If you want to know or share something about reality, post it here!
 Quoting: Chaol


bsflag

Only a moran would come to GLP in search of "great minds"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 633021


why limite your own potential?

You think you dont have potential to grow?

All is needed is a little weeding, to allow in the light.......

hmmmm, how much reality lay behind parables?
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Who therefore has the wisdom to judge such?
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You do.
Nothing is irrelevant.
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Reality is that when I go to sleep, all of you cease to exist.

You only exist when I "visit" this website.

The only part of the world that really exists is that which I can currently see.

When I log off in a few minutes, you will all disappear until I return, so answer quickly!

SmileyGlas
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This has been part of my understanding since I was first able to think.
 Quoting: Ozicell


"Think".
Why waste your energy with the superficial appeal of solipsism.
Cos it's fun?
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Reality is that when I go to sleep, all of you cease to exist.

You only exist when I "visit" this website.

The only part of the world that really exists is that which I can currently see.

When I log off in a few minutes, you will all disappear until I return, so answer quickly!

SmileyGlas
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1473848


This has been part of my understanding since I was first able to think.
 Quoting: Ozicell


"Think".
Why waste your energy with the superficial appeal of solipsism.
Cos it's fun?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 742532


I love this. It seems you took the time to browse this post enough (probably not very long) to understand it, then comfortably post a judgment. Well done, you've shown you've considered the concepts, researched enough into what we're talking about and then finally built up the confidence to decide "this doesn't apply to me" and consider it superficial. I can appreciate the irony. This is all from my perspective, of course. I can see how you may see this as a defensive jab.

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Reality is that when I go to sleep, all of you cease to exist.

You only exist when I "visit" this website.

The only part of the world that really exists is that which I can currently see.

When I log off in a few minutes, you will all disappear until I return, so answer quickly!

SmileyGlas
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1473848


This has been part of my understanding since I was first able to think.
 Quoting: Ozicell


"Think".
Why waste your energy with the superficial appeal of solipsism.
Cos it's fun?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 742532



Thanks, I learnt a new word today.
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The more I discover the truth/reality, the more my life feels like a dream.it simplifies
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The more I discover the truth/reality, the more my life feels like a dream.it simplifies
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Yes, to this I relate.
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it is my way of grasping things
i doubt that you would understand

we are just different filters for 1 reality
all will get mixed when interacting (all this and more)

hf
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I don't know and I rather not know. This mystery is what keeps us alive.
At every new discovery there is always something else behind the curtain. (PE)
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reality is a word
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reality is a word
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And this
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Reality is an individual experience. My experience and hence understanding of reality is probably different to my neighbour's.
 Quoting: Ozicell


Sounds plausible, but how would you know for sure if you only know your neighbors through your perceptions?

(And you may not be able to know them as they exist beyond your perception...)
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Ancient knowledge.
Silence the inner chatter - tune in to the Real News :)


peace
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I like that ;)
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reality is a word
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And what is a word?

In a scence we are living words, life is like a book, each moment we write an impression into it, molded by our own perception.

Biblical creative word???? related?
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Can we ever truly grasp reality considering that our unconscious self is, by definition, ungraspable?
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We cannot grasp ourselves (?)

If there is an unconscious or subconscious, and it is part of what we are...

then we are already grasping it the same way we are grasping "breathing".

Each part of us may not fully understand the other part, but why would it need to?

Our fingernails may not understand how our heart works, and our conscious mind may not understand how the subconscious works.

But do these parts need an understanding?
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But what happens when we talk to someone else?

Are we talking to ourselves? Is it any different than sitting in a chair? (Because it's all perception anyway)
 Quoting: Chaol


Didn't we do this Chaol? What are we doing here? Are you creating additional room for possibility? Is this thread a symbol representing your next goal? I respect and look forward to what you have to say, I am confused by your implied intent.(from my perspective, of course and I question you, only with the utmost respect)
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


Hi.

On my threads, I have an agenda.

On this thread, there is no agenda. Its open to (m)any interpretations and opinions.

Hopefully others will see the value in discussing something we're not sure about.
 Quoting: Chaol


Thank you!

Alright I'll take a stab at it...

"Reality" could be defined as... all there is, was and will be.

Our reality (current perspective) is a reflection of our choice. Each time a choice was available, we made one, like it or not, that led us to this moment. It doesn't matter if we came into being at this moment with a fabricated awareness of a past, we still behave at this moment as if it's true.

Our reality holds no default meaning, all meaning is assigned by the one experiencing reality. This is why we have so many different view points on reality. You are the one that assigns the meaning to all that exists within your reality.

What you believe is True, is true to you. If you doubt it, then obviously it's not true to you. Your reality follows the rules of your belief.

Reality responds to your will.

5a
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Can you give an example of how reality responds to your will?
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Can we ever truly grasp reality considering that our unconscious self is, by definition, ungraspable?
 Quoting: Breadsticks


We cannot grasp ourselves (?)

If there is an unconscious or subconscious, and it is part of what we are...

then we are already grasping it the same way we are grasping "breathing".

Each part of us may not fully understand the other part, but why would it need to?

Our fingernails may not understand how our heart works, and our conscious mind may not understand how the subconscious works.

But do these parts need an understanding?
 Quoting: Chaol


I think so, alot of problems would be solved, if they were solved on a mental level, before it manifested into its phyical equivilent. A better understanding of our nature, and its relationship to its envioment, would greatly help.

Just think of all the subconsous programming, we get effected with, if there was a method were by, the subconsouse could be mad conscouse, then we get the choice of accepting the programming, because we are aware of it.
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Can we ever truly grasp reality considering that our unconscious self is, by definition, ungraspable?
 Quoting: Breadsticks


We cannot grasp ourselves (?)

If there is an unconscious or subconscious, and it is part of what we are...

then we are already grasping it the same way we are grasping "breathing".

Each part of us may not fully understand the other part, but why would it need to?

Our fingernails may not understand how our heart works, and our conscious mind may not understand how the subconscious works.

But do these parts need an understanding?
 Quoting: Chaol


In a way, I believe that we cannot grasp ourselves. Just as the eye can see a reflection of itself but never see itself directly.

Through observation and reasoning, we can learn about ourselves/reality but our perspective is always limited.

It would stand to reason that we must be grasped by something other than our selves in order to exist.

Thus, so long as we are in the business of perceiving, we will never fully perceive.

But furthering our understanding of our reality/selves is instinctive and not inherently harmful.

I agree that understanding is empowering. However, I carefully tread the path to empowerment.

"Power attracts the corruptible."

As our understanding of reality increases, so too must be our experiencing of chaos.

How does one know if they are properly equipped to face the chaos?

How does one prepare?
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The Reality is ...


... the ship is sinking

... the crew is lying about it

... there are not enough life boats

... some can swim and some cannot

... it's dark and the water is very fucking cold

... the band is still playing 'doing up the Ritz'

... there is only one way out of this situation.



You must learn to fly and you must learn quickly!

start by making yourself as light as possible

and look toward Heaven as this is where you want

your new found wings to take you.

You can navigate by the stars.

Help may or may not be coming so
be ready to make that leap of Faith.

Nothing is Real

I hope this helps!

hf
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The nature of reality
while normal- reality just is
on acid- reality is a cartoon of colors and nothing really connects to anything else it all just sort of vibrates against each other or rotates slowly. The concepts we think create reality and the brain connects those concepts to experiences we had before to create an understanding of the concepts.
on mushrooms- everything is hyper real and if you look into the mirror you will see how you look to others and lose all the ego which obscures elements of yourself that others might see but you cannot see about yourself.
on salvia- the world is a frightening jumble of madness that hits you like a sledgehammer and leaves you wondering who you are and what your doing here and whether anything is even real at all.
On DXM- everything has happened before, all moments are the same moment and were a soul controlling a body like remote control. Floating outside and above and behind controlling it like a puppet. The universe is all blending together and time is an illusion, a repeating vibration.
In meditation- reality the universal conciousness
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what is DMX??

thanks!!
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oh Man!

don't get high on cough medicine.

that's a no go, really.
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Evil serves good, and good serves evil, without one you couldnt get the other.

Weather we view somthing as bad or good, depends on perception, one mans rubbish can be an others man treasure.

Who therefore has the wisdom to judge such?

Unless the true needs and intent of each individual is known, or at the least, underlineing principles relative to both.
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True however when the scales are tipped to an unfair advantage for so long things become stalemate in any game !

exstreme good and exstream evil is self-explanitive

reality is co-agree(D)-ment consencence of conscious/unconscious real(m) i (UNI)ty

so when enough illusionary perceptive beings experience bore-dumb with exstreamism , ......

A NEW GAME IS CREATED and NEW RULES are set in the mix !
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Uranus - Uranium

Neptune - Neptunium

Pluto - Plutonium

:)
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Can you give an example of how reality responds to your will?
 Quoting: Chaol


I guess, I should define my perspective on "will." To me will is choice.

I know this all comes off as delusional if you don't "FEEL" IT AS I DO, I didn't start out this way. I had been an atheist, until a couple years ago I noticed it takes "faith" to believe in ONLY the obvious. I found self hypnosis/nlp/meditation and by noticing that "AS ABOVE, SO BELOW" I was eventually led to a whole new UNDERSTANDing of MY REALITY.

So with that said, the answer to your question is yes, I can describe how reality responds to my will(choice) though I doubt this will be enough to convince those who can not see from my eyes or PERCEIVE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. It is a challenge to teach a toddler to work as an ice-road trucker, they just don't have the pre-conceptual framework and that would have to be NURTUREd, by the time they CAN LEARN TO BE an ice-road trucker, they're probably not a toddler anymore. Something may sound simple and too-good-to be true, but that's not entirely accurate.

We(I, you, all of us) all START SOMEWHERE different, in perspective. WE think/see/feel differently. In order to TRULY UNDERSTAND ME, you have to "BE" ME. We need to have the conceptual bridges given to us(through experience, that is either coaching or trial and error), so that we can BRIDGE THE GAP between what we BELIEVE we have and what we BELIEVE we want.

let's say YOU ARE "hungry"... that slightly CHANGEs YOUR PERSPECTIVE and you CHOOSE TO ALLOW it to CUSTOMIZE YOUR PERSPECTIVE to seek food. You will begin to NOTICE THE POSSIBILITIES of quenching your hunger.

If we are (at first) honest with our self about our current situation, while knowing YOU ONLY EXIST NOW, where you believe you are, and where you believe you can go, then you can FEEL/see exactly HOW TO GET where/WHAT YOU WANT and the steps in-between.

YOU WILL also have more opportunities to do/have what you want the more you "CUSTOMIZE" YOUR PERSPECTIVE and to "NOTICE" YOUR PREFERENCE before you. For me this started with the belief that ALL IS AS IT IS NOW and that THIS IS THE BEST POSSIBLE MOMENT i can/do have right now. There is no right and wrong from my perspective, there is PREFERENCE and neutrality (thanks to Chaol who provided me many conceptual bridges with his teachings, I can refer to this as relative and not as relative, further assisting me on my path). From there I began to slowly ACCEPT that all "this" is an extension of MY SELF, albeit less preferential or relative. In the same way my car (when I drive it, it is my body) is a less relative VESSEL than my default biological body, my wife is a less relative form of my perspective, etc all the way down the line.

I can move my arm to grab a cup of water to drink. In the same way (less relative way) I can say something to someone and it will cause a domino effect with a desired outcome. (we all do this, most of us do not consciously notice it, so people should work on it, google NLP for some help).

If you CONSIDER ALL YOUR OPTIONS RIGHT NOW, without bias, without ego, COMPLETE HONESTY WITH YOUR SELF (others too, they are us), YOU CAN FIND which option is PREFERRED. The more YOU CHOOSE PREFERRED, the more preferred options show up (and they show up a lot, things have been getting crazy this last few weeks). It's just the way things have been as of late for me, from my perspective.

Before I got where I am now, before I could FORGET my EGO, I found that I had to not just FORGIVE MYSELF and everyone else, I had to NOTICE WHY they were never "wrong" in the first place.

EVERYTHING IS JUSTIFIED IN PERSPECTIVE.

We ASSIGN THE MEANING TO EVERYTHING that exists in our reality, if you don't like what you see, CHANGE IT.

None of this is permanent, we PROGRESS OVER TIME, time allows for options, shiz like entropy, systems fail over the WILL of THE INDIVIDUAL, etc... ACCEPT THE CHANGE, KNOW IT IS COMING, work it to your advantage, if you can't, notice how the CHANGE IS TO YOUR ADVANTAGE, that it IS YOUR WILL.

The TRUTH is, I cannot tell if I AM WILLING REALITY in a direction or if it is just going a certain way and i ALIGN MY PREFERENCE with the obvious. I don't THINK IT MATTERS, to me it's the same thing. Life has become like a dream, the strangest OPPORTUNITIES/nuggets of UNDERSTANDING come up from the strangest sources and situations, the next always more interesting/bizarre than the last. As long as i CHOOSE, KNOWING THAT THIS IS THE BEST POSSIBLE EXPERIENCE THIS MOMENT CAN HOLD, I can SEE THE POSSIBILITY in what lies before me LEADing TO more and more PREFERRED POSSIBILITY. I still don't BELIEVE I can win the lotto, spontaneously teleport to another land, etc... yet.

But... I am finding more and more evidence to support we are restricted ONLY by our BELIEF and that we are restricted by choice. I still doubt that which I feel doesn't fit (keep in mind we CHOOSE WHAT DOES and doesn't FIT) and that restricts me... when i NO LONGER DOUBT, well that would be a strange moment indeed.

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(P.E) Our reality is an 'expression'. Flowing out from within.
What we 'experience' is 'resistance' offered from other points of 'expression', received and documented by our sensory organs.
Our 'perception' is energy seeking the easiest ground point back to the source of 'expression' (energy following the path of least resistance to flow through), which is directed by our 'experience'.
What we 'perceive' 'filters' how the our particular 'expression' of the 'source'.
..... Expression>>Experience>>Perception>>Expression>>Experience...​..
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This kind of conversation always brings me back to Plato's allegory of the cave. I am sure most will say they know of it, or know what it's about and will be up-tight that I was so amateur as to refer to it here, but I think it is relevant to those unaware of it.

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