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Calling all Great Minds: A discussion on Reality

 
MaJorMan
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Being that the dream world is merging with that of physicality I find it alarming that my dreams are vividly becoming more of my physicality than the contrary. For example I have a lot of dreams lately about being at work, seeing the same people I normally do, doing the same things I routinely do. Does that mean the dream world for me is the same as this one because of my attachment to it? I hope not. That would be pretty mundane..
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Great to see you have responses here . The nature of realality has always been disscussed by humans as we can think above the basic level of eat sleep mate and defend .Where as an animal cannot . Everything in animal stage is totally instinctuial .

So the reality is that if we waste our human birth only eat , sleeping , mating and defending without further , and higher inquiring at to
Who am I .
Why am I here
Where am I going .

Whos is this I on a the journey .
So I have only posed here the most basic of questions of what it means to be human .

From that level the searching begins
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i haven't gotten it, i haven't been turned on or shown or told, haven't experienced haven't seen.

this is what i keep looking at:

THIS AND THAT.

I AM HERE, YOU ARE THERE..THERES SOMETHING OVER THERE. A CHAIR THERE, A COFFEE CUP....all THINGS different THINGS.

but you(everyone...everyone) keeps saying
ITS ALL THE SAME TRIP, WAKE UP
YOU ARE THAT. THAT IS YOU. FEEL IT, MAN, CAN YOU FEEL IT? ITS CRAZY ITS AWESOME ITS GOD AND THE DEVIL!

i don't feel it.
i am me and there is a cup over there.

we are energy...atoms to protons, vibrating strings yadayada

from the same singularity pin point conscious 2D dot pre-big bang from where we came from, we were condensed there....

but right NOW it feels ... well it feels like i am here

and there is that thing, over THERE, different than me!
its science one day and spirituality the next.

maybe its a hologram, i never really "see" the coffee cup, my brain does for me, and i was part of the energy of the same cup way way long before, in the big bang stuff...yeah


but ITS NOT AMAZING. AMAZE ME. I DONT GET IT.
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silently aware of all movement

every thought is heard

otherness is an illusion

a fractalized self experiencing feedback loops
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Being that the dream world is merging with that of physicality I find it alarming that my dreams are vividly becoming more of my physicality than the contrary. For example I have a lot of dreams lately about being at work, seeing the same people I normally do, doing the same things I routinely do. Does that mean the dream world for me is the same as this one because of my attachment to it? I hope not. That would be pretty mundane..
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1528213


That is so boring that it causes me dismay.

Before falling asleep, could you, like, listen to some cool music or look at pretty pictures in a travel magazine or get yourself hepped up in some way about something that turns you on, and then fall asleep? Don't you think that would influence your dreams?

At the very least, daydream about all the different things you would do at work if you were, say, the CEO or some really rich guy that is only working for the hell of it. You know? Then, maybe your dreams about your routine waking world would turn into something with a little more pizzazz.

Dang. I might take my own advice, lol!
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What is Reality?

There's only one true answer to that.

I am Reality.

In other words, I am God.

But I have to wake up to that Myself, now, don't I?
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Could reality be nothing more than electrical impulses from the dark corners of your brain?

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Being that the dream world is merging with that of physicality I find it alarming that my dreams are vividly becoming more of my physicality than the contrary. For example I have a lot of dreams lately about being at work, seeing the same people I normally do, doing the same things I routinely do. Does that mean the dream world for me is the same as this one because of my attachment to it? I hope not. That would be pretty mundane..
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1528213


That is so boring that it causes me dismay.

Before falling asleep, could you, like, listen to some cool music or look at pretty pictures in a travel magazine or get yourself hepped up in some way about something that turns you on, and then fall asleep? Don't you think that would influence your dreams?

At the very least, daydream about all the different things you would do at work if you were, say, the CEO or some really rich guy that is only working for the hell of it. You know? Then, maybe your dreams about your routine waking world would turn into something with a little more pizzazz.

Dang. I might take my own advice, lol!
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Good ideas! I'll try em
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Could reality be nothing more than electrical impulses from the dark corners of your brain?

(8.5 minutes)
[link to www.youtube.com]


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Yes, it could. :) that's the beauty in not knowing something until we know it.
Nothing is irrelevant.
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In regards to reality, do people here think we're heading towards a shift in reality and how we experience it in the near future?

I'm curious and excited to see what big changes will occur.

Anyone have any idea/noticed anything changing lately?

Chaol, what happened as a result of your October 1st date with the sun and what do you think is in store for us in the near future?

+S+I!

P.S. P+S+!
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silently aware of all movement

every thought is heard

otherness is an illusion

a fractalized self experiencing feedback loops
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Oh, that is sublime! :)
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Language and Vortex Mathematics

How does it fit?

No answers, sorry. Only questions.
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Why is the unified field sought as a mathematical expression? What does that do for values?

The unified field is more easily discerned with words as the underlying foundation.


It's time to eliminate "mean values!"
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when one is judged...all is judged
when one is blessed...all is blessed

judging is choosing to experience separation
blessing is choosing to experience unification

it is upon this axis that our reality revolves
projecting attaches while forgiving dissolves

judgment restricts love's flow and creates hell
blessing extends love's flow and creates heaven

each and every encounter offers this choice
we can bless silently or bless with our voice

any time you judge the heart does close
wouldn't you rather unfold like a rose?
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Reality is lived through the heart, and only perceived through the mind.

Cheers.
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Retrocausality – Handshakes from the past to the future






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Can a future event have impact on past events? This is the good question of the day:

For every choice you make, there’s the choice you didn’t make, and both realities are real and valid, and both exist “out there.” That means there’s infinite versions of yourself. I can grasp the basic concept of this, but I don’t have any answers as to how the timeline branches, how having multiple you’s on multiple timelines affects your soul, and why we can have all these different timelines / us’s existing independently of each other, with each one of them believing they are the only version of themselves and reality out there, completely oblivious to their other selves….

That fork you chose, what if you went another way, the impact of potentiality within the multiverse dictates that parallel you’s inhabit those little bubble universes being born and dying each moment.

Is the dreamworld a place to experience this, and why have the great mystics and teachers planted in time always insist upon laying down the sword?

Have you experienced deja vu, yup we’ve been here before.

or;

The implication of retrocausality on a cosmic scale is that each of us is continually engaged in the creation of this present moment by negotiating paths forward to our possible futures and back toward our possible pasts. Considerations of the past and the future present us with a dazzling array of alternate universes, as some of the world’s most renowned physicists, such as Stephen Hawking, seek out firm physical evidence to confirm the reality of those other possibilities. With new models for understanding how the future can affect the past, it becomes clear that the various alternate histories of the universe that have already occurred depend on the exact questions we ask right now.

On a more personal level, retrocausality encourages us to redefine our sphere of influence. We may begin to hold as much hope for a positive history as we do for a positive future, knowing we are capable of influencing both.
At a recent symposium of physicists assembled to discuss retrocausality, physicist Daniel Sheehan of the University of San Diego commented, “To say that it’s impossible for the future to influence the past is to deny half of the predictions of the laws of physics.” [21] Indeed, as physicists consider the possibility of time being as symmetrical as space, we are reaching a point at which it becomes increasingly evident that we have a great deal more ability to influence historical events than most of us have ever imagined possible. It will be up to us to learn how best to ask the questions that provide us with the healthiest future and the healthiest past.
[link to realityshifters.com]

Excellent, a handshake between the future and the past.

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a path of darkness or a path of light
where both paths meet is a great insight

mind is dualistic and heart is simplistic
does anyone know the truth, let's be realistic :)
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I don't know and I rather not know. This mystery is what keeps us alive.
At every new discovery there is always something else behind the curtain. (PE)
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Yeah. I think its cool to expand your frame of understanding as long as we always remember to acknowledge that its a "frame".

Reality is the inside-out sock on my left foot.
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if reality is a dream, then what is a dream?
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=) Live it and love it. Chaol I really would love to have some in depth conversation with you. since we are existing together. My e-mail is tedj604@gmail.com I refuse to contribute so I can't e-mail you on here. No worries, no judgment, Just convo and love.
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Just wanted to say that I know there are other realities and I am not only what I perceive, but I am desperate not having access to this universe known / unknown. I do not want to wait any longer to wake up and I'm not sure how to do it

Nada más quería decir que sé que hay otras realidades y que no soy sólo lo que veo, pero me desespera no poder acceder a todo este universo conocido/desconocido. No quiero esperar más para despertar y no estoy seguro de cómo hacerlo
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Chaol:

Is the "dream" world and the "real" world "merging" at this time such that each of us will experience somewhat differing "realities" based upon our current level of "consciousness" and ability to avoid the manifestation of "negative" realities?

If so, I guess avoiding fear-based thoughts and working through past issues would be paramount. Anything else that can be done to aid the process?
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Soul is just the fancy word for your conciousness, if you look up what the human body is really made out of, will see that it is many different types of micro organisms, and bacteria that all work together.
That is what your genetic code is, the makeup of these tiny creatures.

the micro organisms control half the brain, your soul controls the other half, the conscious half.

God's temple is your body, that is in the bible, and that is true, god is in all of us, that is also true, the god particle is our soul, when we die the flesh, the the microbs, and all the rest seperate, including our memories, ready to be used again.

look up about your stomach having its own "brain" it is a colony of bacteria that knows how to talk to your subconscious. If it detects something very bitter / poison it will tell your subconscious to throw up. Your "soul" doesnt have a lot of control, and if you fight it, just makes it worse. they all talk with electricity.
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[link to montalk.net]

Philip K. Dick may have picked up on this when, as part of a series of mystical experiences, he experienced an overlap or temporal resonance between himself and his former incarnation living concurrently alongside him in ancient Rome:

Within our spatiotemporal universe it is impossible that USA 1974 and Rome AD 45 could be one and the same … how could they be? They are at two times and two places. The only way they could be one and the same would be if time and space were somehow not real; or, put another way, if something about the two continua themselves were not real. That is, if Rome was not Rome; USA was not USA; but both were a third thing, the same thing.

This is why I call it a meta-abstraction. USA 1974 and Rome AD 45 are two ways of looking at the same thing: two aspects of the same thing. And the only way you are ever going to realize this is if you literally actually see the two of them superimposed, commingled; and this will only happen if you experience anamnesis; and you will only experience this anamnesis if something simulates—releases, actually—your blocked memory.

I treat only the spatiotemporal realm as irreal, but, as in Gnosticism, I treat it as a deliberate trap by a deluder; therefore I envision a Savior who reveals the truth to us and who breaks the power of this world (heimarmene) over us (these are two things; he must obliterate time and its power over us, its ostensible reality, to free us from heimarmene). Therefore I envision an antithetical combat—dialectic—between the Deluder, who has only a posteriori knowledge, and the Savior, who has a priori knowledge, concerning us and the hold this world has on us. This is clear Gnosticism; but I envision the real world as Plato’s Form world, and I hold, with Plotinus, that it is near at hand, not a transcendent deity far removed from here; it is here and that deity is immediately here. I envision a hierarchy of realms, as with Plotinus. We fell; we were in a sense ensnared; we took this spatiotemporal realm to be real; we made an intellectual, not moral, error, and it was us, not our ancestors; each of us is a soul splintered through thousands of miles and thousands of years. Likewise, the real, morphological realm is exploded through our realm; the way of return is through anamnesis: by this we re-collect (ourselves, each one his own Self […]).
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Chaol, Did you log in yesterday?!
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The true nature of existence is that to which existence is irrelevant.

Nothing is without existence.
It is wholly experiencing your perceptions about yourself.
Existence is within nothing.
By understanding your perceptions you remember what is true.

That to which existence is irrelevant is as non-existence.
Non-existence needs not prove its imperceptible truth.
That to which existence is sought is as infinite illusion.
Illusion forgets its imperceptible truth to seem real.

Existence is like a mirror that understands no real shape.
Non-existence is like a shape that understands no mirrors.
Illusion is as looking to the mirror to think one is real.
Truth is as looking to one's self to feel what truth is.

True being cannot be perceived for the perception.
For it is without it.
The illusion of being can re-member truth.
As it is within it.

That which is seen to exist seeks only
That which makes it feel extant.
True existence is not of that which depends
But of that which nothing knows of.

The nature of existence is the experience of resistance.
Without resistance, there is only that which is true.
One can only forget that all is the same.
Re-member the source of infinity and illusions disappear.

Existence is like an ocean.
Being is like the summit of each wave.
Not resisting itself, it does as it is.
It forgets itself, and is more than it is.

The truth of oneself is irrelevant.
How does truth know otherwise.
One cannot help but to already be true.
Though one can only perceive illusion.

Existence is in formation.
Information is being.
Being is infinite.
Infinity is resisting.

Non-existence is free of form.
Everything at once.
Nothing at all.
The unformed is within the source.

Everything that exists is illusion.
Nothing-in-particular is more true.
Everything is nothing is most true.
Truth is so real it need not exist.

Resistance is fear.
Fear of truth is the only fear,
That the self would no longer exist.
The need to exist is to misunderstand true self.

Perception is you reflected without beginning or end.
Opposition is as two sides of the same spherical infinity.
Expression is how you realise your own understanding.
Truth is what is without any perception.

True unity is imperceptible.
There is nothing relative about it.
What relation is there when all things embrace.
What fear is there when love is understood.

How naked truth is.
So vulnerable nothing touches it.
So loving nothing hates it.
How clothed existence is.

What fears one when fears are loved.
What fears one when nothing resists.
The fear of one creates the separations,
And makes illusions into a reality.

The fear of unity occupies one
With thoughts that seem more real.
How real is something that withers.
Busying oneself with details keeps one ignorant of the simple truth.

One's fears are illusions of what one is.
All illusions are desires.
All desires are illusions.
For one is already everything one can be.

For one to exist one remembers the illusion.
The source cannot be understood unless one forgets its perception.
The truth is perceived when one unperceives.
The imperceptible truth is fully remembered when there is nothing.

One is all,
All is one.
One perceives not what one is not.
One perceives only what is one.

One is not one
Since there is only one.
One is nothing in particular.
One need exist only when one forgets oneself.

Love is remembrance
Of more of what one truly is.
Love for everything is realisation
That the source is without specification.

Hate is forgetting love.
It is love complexified.
These things cannot be done.
The self is only remembered.

Resisting unity, it multiplies.
Resisting hate, there is more of it.
Remember the self and love is all ready.
Forget the self and one is confused.

Existence is like knowledge;
The more of it you realise,
The more truth you have forgotten.
What truth is so precise.

Everything here
Is all resisted.
What is now not
Is resisted not.

Perception is being surrounded by mirrors.
Resist the reflection and more are perceived.
Re-member the reflection and separations will disappear.
Realise you are what you perceive yet more than what can be.

The most important thing is endless expression,
The continual illustration of remembrance.
What you are is the source of existence.
Beyond being anything in particular.

How do you perceive something to be real
If only you know of things through comparison.
What is reality or illusion in a sea of questions.
How illusory is anything that seems comparable.

One reflects itself infinitely.
All things are the same.
Separations seem as we remember and forget.
Go to the source of perceiving to remember what really is.

You experience what you re-member.
Details how you re-member the one.
The whole forgets each detail.
The end resists its own truth.

One thing exists of infinite illustration.
Something is what it does not seem to be.
One thing is not itself and not another.
Everything seems, for no thing is true.

What is understood cannot be
Without what is misunderstood.
What is created cannot be
Without what is uncreated.

Something in particular is most forgotten.
Nothing in particular is most re-membered.
All of nothing in particular.
Nothing in particular is all.

The only thing truly known
Is no thing is truly known.
The only thing certain
Is no thing is certain.

The only thing that truly exists
Is that to which existence is irrelevant.
The only thing that is true
Is that nothing is true, including this.

The imperceptible is so basic,
Existence is irrelevant to it.
When existence is perceived,
Existence is not understood.

The imperceptible is easy.
If it is made more complex,
It will confuse ignorance,
And simply not exist in it.

The perceptible is infinitely divided.
It is so desirable to misunderstand.
It is frightening to unify things,
For everything must become free.

The perceptible is infinitely complex.
It is so hard to hide the truth.
The perceptible is actually imperceptible.
Perhaps the greatest illusion of all.

One's perception is
One's belief of oneself.
How long before one believes
That what one truly is is imperceptible.

When you are the whole universe is.
Act and the universe acts with you.
Take the universe into consideration all ways.
Think of yourself as being everything that is.

Where you are the whole universe is.
Nothing outside of you, nothing within.
The infinite being is as close to your heart
As nothing is to something in particular.

Anything not perceived is that which is perceived.
Nothing need exist outside of perception.
Perception is resistance illustrated.
Everything resists truth.

The illusion of a wheel turning
Is the complexification of its central source.
Yet the source cannot be perceived.
For the source is nowhere specific.

The source of resistance is non-resistance.
What can resist what knows no resistance.
The source of all things is so true
It does not do have to do anything.

What is small is big as well.
Small cannot seem to be unless bigger is bigger.
What is big is small as well.
Big cannot seem to be unless smaller is smaller.

The source cannot perceive itself as being the source.
The source is everywhere and nowhere.
Being everything yet nothing it does not think itself
The source of all that is yet is not.

Truth is free of experience.
It is free of any event.
Truth is free of existence.
It is free of any being.

The nature of time's pace
Is to remember what is forgotten.
Remembering one by realising the infinite illustrations.
Where is one exactly but nowhere in particular.

Remembering here and now
Your source is remembered.
You are more this loving
Than any remembered thing.

If you are,
You will think yourself not to be.
If you are not,
You will think yourself to be.

If you are an illusion,
You will seem to yourself to be real.
If you are real,
You will seem to yourself to be an illusion.

Looking out, infinite illusions are seen.
Looking in, basic truth is close to feeling.
Truth cannot be explained,
Why when you are most true.

What is perceived
Is only illusion,
As what is perceived
Is wholly incomplete.

One has not to understand existence.
One can only remember what one already is.
What reason should you perceive something,
If no truth of your own is perceived.

You must be something that you are not
In order to be more of what you truly are.
You can only be more of what you truly are
By being what you do not think yourself to be.

Being is remembering that everything is already.
Doing is resisting what naturally tends to be.
Being is remembering more of what one really is.
Doing is resisting more of what one really is.

Existing,
It is not that one forgets to remember,
But existing,
One remembers to forget.

Nothing extant is complete.
Only nothing completes existence.
Without nothing, there is nothing.
Nothing is more complete than anything.

All things exist as one, at once.
Everything can be perceived from anything.
Something tries to illustrate nothing.
It endlessly tries to illustrate nothing.

Everything is perceived
As nothing is forgotten.
Nothing is remembered
As everything perceives.

Nothing is the bond that holds all things together.
Without nothing, the illusion of things cannot be.
All things are illusions that forget what is true.
Within nothing there seems to be something.

How can one think of everything at once
From a changing perception.
How can one perceive nothing at once
From any perception.

One can remember oneself as the source
By perceiving freely,
By thinking without resistance,
And being one self.

Everything that exists has the single purpose
Of resisting what is true by seeking an endlessness.
Remembering the source of existence,
The infinite distraction is no longer needed.

What makes you feel like you are
Makes you forget what you are.
What seems to exist from without
Is not remembered from within.

How can two things exist in an infinite universe.
How can anything finite exist in any universe.
How can a source exist anywhere.
How can something really be the ultimate source.

To perceive once your own perception.
Is to remember your self as the source of existence.
To think once your own thoughts.
Is to remember your self as the cause of being.

In one perception
Is the entire universe.
In each moment
It is perceived anew.

To want is to ignore everything one already is.
What one cannot possess is nothing.
Everything one perceives is one's already.
Nothing can all ways be forgotten.

Nothing is easy to forget.
Something is easy to remember.
Nothing is difficult to remember.
Something is difficult to forget.

Something that can be attained
Is not worth attaining.
The illusions exhaust one infinitely.
The illusion is not what it seems to be.

Remembering your inherent value,
There is nothing more valuable.
The only thing that can be done
Is remember or forget the truth.

Nothing is the most difficult to remember,
As it requires no effort.
Nothing in particular is the most difficult to be,
As it requires no action.

Creating something is easy,
As it only requires forgetting unity.
Creating something in particular is easy,
As it requires forgetting inherent wholeness.

In everything you do,
Its opposite you also do.
In everything you say,
Its opposite you also say.

In everything that you feel,
Its opposite you also feel.
In everything that you are,
Its opposite you also are.

By one thing,
All things are.
Everything in one thing.
One thing in everything.

What does the source of existence matter.
Why should anything have a purpose.
What would be the purpose of the purpose.
Why should the truth be remembered.

All things come from the nothing all things really are.
The truest thing is the least resistant to everything.
The least resistant thing is most the source of existence.
The source of existence resists not anything.

One can only perceive one's thought.
One can only experience one's self.
One can only hate what one is.
One can only love what one is.

Remember one, sixty in one,
Thirty in two, twenty in three,
Fifteen in four, twelve in five.
All things equal in whole and in part.

The more basic one is,
The less resistant everything is.
In simplicity there is more abundance,
In complexity there is more resistance.

You are more what you are unaware of
Than that which you seem to be aware.
Something is more of what nothing is
Than what something seems most to be.

Doing is forgetting
That you are.
Being is remembering
That you are.

The more you resist something
The more you are already
Affected by what you resist,
And the more you are of what you resist.

What you perceive yourself
To be
Is what you perceive the imperceptible
To be.

If any thing was complete in perception,
All things would be perceived the same.
When any thing is complete in perception,
Nothing is misunderstood.

You consider your self as you consider others.
You love your self as you love others.
You remember your self as you remember others.
The only the truth is of what you are.

When anything is done to the last
The same is done to the first.
For infinity is where you are;
The source is everywhere and nowhere in particular.

Everything is the source
Of everything.
Nothing is the source
Of nothing.

Everything is nothing specific.
Nothing is everything specific.
What anything is is nothing.
Nothing is what is is not.

Only when one is vulnerable
Can one be open to the source.
Only when one forgets beliefs
Can one remember what is true.

Think what is not thought.
Feel what is not felt.
See what is not seen.
To understand what is true.

We can only really perceive something
By perceiving what it seems not to be.
We can only really understand something
By understanding what it seems not to be.

Everything is in the whole
Of your perception this moment.
Nothing is not what you are.
Nothing knows no existence.

When the truth is realised
It is no longer true.
When the imperceptible is perceived
It is no longer imperceptible.

Nothing is true.
Nothing is false.
Nothing is perceptible.
Nothing is imperceptible.

What is perceived is
How you remember your self.
All things perceived
Is you in complete.

The only thing that can be seen is nothing.
The only thing that can be thought is nothing.
The only thing that can be done is nothing.
With nothing nothing is done not.

Everything perceived
Is nothing illustrated.
The only perception there is
Is the misunderstanding of truth.

One perceives not
That which perceives not.
One perceives only illusion
That truth does not remember.

Loving another,
Another must love.
Doing something,
Something must do.

One does not perceive,
But believe that one does.
How sleepy perceptions are
On dense clouds of illusion.

Things only seem different
As existence is not wholly perceived.
Existence only seems to be real
As things seem wholly different.

Truth is you without the perception of you.
Truth is you without the misunderstanding of you.
Illusion is the misunderstanding of truth.
Illusion is needed to perceive existence.

One remembers the whole of existence
As one remembers nothing in particular.
One remembers the whole of oneself
As one forgets the endless details.

To embrace that not you
Is to remember yourself.
To love that which hates
Is to embrace your being.

The more something is resisted,
The more it will be perceived.
All things are the same one.
Something cannot be forgotten.

Each thing resists
What it is truly.
What each thing truly is
Is nothing in particular.

As everything is resisted
Nothing is truly resisted.
As everything is perceived
Nothing is truly perceived.

All desires are fears.
All fears are desires.
Desires know no existence.
Existence knows only fear.

Whatever one resists, exists.
Whatever exists, one resists.
Whatever exists not is one all ready.
Whatever one resists not needs not exist.

Big is small.
Small is big.
The opposite validates the other's existence.
The other's existence validates the opposite.

How old is time to itself.
How big is space to itself.
How you are you to yourself.
How infinite is infinity to itself.

The perception of nothing
Is why perceptions are illusions.
Nothing is wholly independent
Of the infinite perceptions.

All is less than a single thought.
One is all ways infinite.
Nothing understands it.
Something misunderstands it.

The less one perceives,
The more one remembers oneself.
The less one perceives,
The more one remembers all to be one.

The origin of something
Is the perception of something.
The truth of something
Is that which is not perceived.

The more you fear the truth
The more you seek to validate your existence.
The more you fear your self
The more you seek others for your own truths.

As the source of existence is forgotten,
Its simplicity seems to be complex.
As the source of existence is remembered,
Its complexity seems to be simple.

One seems to exist
As one remembers what one really is.
As one remembers what one really is,
One needs not exist.

If the truth of you were perceptible,
Perceptions would change not.
If the truth of you were imperceptible,
You would remember it not.

Perceive nothing in particular,
And all things are perceived.
Remember this the source,
And all is remembered.

All things are true,
Nothing is most true.
Perceive something in particular
And truth is forgotten.

The illusion is perceived.
The truth is not perceived.
Everything is the illusion.
Nothing is the truth.

Something cannot ever truly be exact.
Something is not what it seems to be.
Anything is really nothing in particular.
Nothing is really anything in particular.

That which does not see for itself is blind yet sees all.
That which lives not for itself is immortal yet eternal.
That which acts not for itself is nowhere yet everywhere.
That which accepts everything is everything yet nothing.

To resist is to remember not that one is everything.
To desire is to remember not that one already possesses.
To act is to remember not all things are all ready.
To think is to remember not the thought that is there.

By knowing, wanting, thinking, or acting not,
The truth is near perception.
By acting, thinking, wanting, or knowing,
Are illusions near perception.

Being is the imperceptible.
Being not is the perceptible.
All is the imperceptible illusion.
Nothing is the perceptible truth.

The truth is imperceptible.
One is true as one does not realise it.
The truth sees nothing in particular.
Nothing in particular perceives not truth.

Remember the source is complete.
Remember the source is true.
Remember the source is forgotten.
Remember the source is what you are.

Everything exists not in completion
If not for your complete existence.
The more you remember your self,
The more complete everything is.

For something to be true,
Its opposite is also true.
For an illusion to be,
All things must be illusory.

Around every source
Everything is found.
Within every center
The source is nothing.

Nothing is extant if it is not.
Nothing is true if it is extant.
Everything is extant if it is not.
Everything is true if it is not.

Something is truly
Nothing in particular.
Nothing is truly
Everything that seems.

Truth is remembered not
When beliefs know perceptions.
Illusions are forgotten not
When something is perceived.

A wheel forgets its source as it turns.
Its size makes complex the simplicity.
The wheel complexifies itself to try to equal
The simplicity of its source that it remembers.

The source is so efficient, nothing is done.
The source is so simple, nothing is seen.
The source is so true, all things seek it.
The source is so real, it exists not.

A thing remembers and thinks its exists,
But non-existence could not forget.
A thing forgets to think it exists,
And the source remains forever constant.

By nothing is anything true.
Truth is not what restricts.
By nothing is truth anything.
Truth is not what resists.

For an answer to be perceived,
The question must be expressly understood.
For the source to be remembered,
The perception must be expressly forgotten.

Fear is the energy of illusion.
Only illusion is perceptible.
The nothing of truth is feared.
This fear is dependent upon the perception.

What seems good
Is not really good
But is less resisted
In that which loves.

What seems bad
Is not really bad
But is more resisted
In that which fears.

Everything extant must be perceived
Before one understands what something is.
Everything extant must be experienced
Before one understands what is happening.

In the source
The complexity surrounds us.
In the perceptible
Nothing is truly found.

What is sought
Is existence.
What is sought not
Is non-existence.

Perceive others
To seem extant.
Perceive one self
To be extant.

Whatever you perceive in another
You are also experiencing of you.
You are experiencing your self
Whenever you perceive an other.

Resistance is fearing self.
Resistance is illusion.
There is nothing to resist.
Not resisting is truth.

When the outside is forgotten
The inside is remembered.
All is complex and seems
To remember the simple and is.

The more non-resistant something is
The more existence is understood.
The more truth is misunderstood
The more resistance seems to be.

Non-resistance is nothing.
As it does not resist resistance.
Resistance is everything.
And everything is really nothing.

Why is the same thing said
And said and said and said.
Why is one thing extant
And only extant in everything.

By opposing
You create something to oppose.
By resisting
You create something to resist.

In this way
Simple things seem complex,
Easy things seem hard,
Understandings seem confused.

To pursue what you create
And not the source of you,
Is to pursue illusion
And resist your truth.

To perceive not something
Is everything perceived.
To remember the source
Is nothing perceived.

Truth is ramified not.
Everything ramifies its truth.
What is illusion is truth forgotten.
What is truth is illusion remembered.

Nothing is perceived
And everything seems to be.
Everything is illusion
And nothing is existence.

The imperceptible is the only truth
Of one's existence.
Existence, to fear not what truly is
The source of one.

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Hmmm....
My best answer would be reality=math. Math is absolute, everything else is perception.
Aside from that, I would have to ask you to define "reality," which would make the discussion end as you would be placing confinement on that which you may not be able to perceive.
Great thought provoking thread! 5*
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Perhaps reality is whatever you think is real.

And perhaps truth is not what you think is true, but what does not depend on something else to be real,

or to exist,

(or not).
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Maths is like a house we have built for ourselves.

We make it a certain shape and think it must be true because it keeps us so warm.

It is insulated for the warm weather and the cold, keeps out unwanted pests and lets in light where we want.

We don't see where our construction isn't useful.

Then we begin to think it is an absolute house.

Maths can only describe the simplicity of it all in complex terms.

It is not a house that would withstand the elements of perspective.

Perspective being the fundamental building block of reality, not maths.

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Maths is like a house we have built for ourselves.

We make it a certain shape and think it must be true because it keeps us so warm.

It is insulated for the warm weather and the cold, keeps out unwanted pests and lets in light where we want.

We don't see where our construction isn't useful.

Then we begin to think it is an absolute house.

Maths can only describe the simplicity of it all in complex terms.

It is not a house that would withstand the elements of perspective.

Perspective being the fundamental building block of reality, not maths.
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Agreed, but fail to see your point. You are asking of reality. One cannot know what is actual reality, one can only consider what one perceives. Therefore, another must define what they consider as real, which is arbitrary and entirely subjective in order to pose the question.
So what is reality? To me? In the most abstract of definitions? A variable.
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You mentioned that reality = math.

But wouldn't maths exist entirely in one's perception?

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