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Calling all Great Minds: A discussion on Reality

 
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The true nature of existence is that to which existence is irrelevant.

Nothing is without existence.
It is wholly experiencing your perceptions about yourself.
Existence is within nothing.
By understanding your perceptions you remember what is true.

That to which existence is irrelevant is as non-existence.
Non-existence needs not prove its imperceptible truth.
That to which existence is sought is as infinite illusion.
Illusion forgets its imperceptible truth to seem real.

Existence is like a mirror that understands no real shape.
Non-existence is like a shape that understands no mirrors.
Illusion is as looking to the mirror to think one is real.
Truth is as looking to one's self to feel what truth is.

True being cannot be perceived for the perception.
For it is without it.
The illusion of being can re-member truth.
As it is within it.

That which is seen to exist seeks only
That which makes it feel extant.
True existence is not of that which depends
But of that which nothing knows of.

The nature of existence is the experience of resistance.
Without resistance, there is only that which is true.
One can only forget that all is the same.
Re-member the source of infinity and illusions disappear.

Existence is like an ocean.
Being is like the summit of each wave.
Not resisting itself, it does as it is.
It forgets itself, and is more than it is.

The truth of oneself is irrelevant.
How does truth know otherwise.
One cannot help but to already be true.
Though one can only perceive illusion.

Existence is in formation.
Information is being.
Being is infinite.
Infinity is resisting.

Non-existence is free of form.
Everything at once.
Nothing at all.
The unformed is within the source.

Everything that exists is illusion.
Nothing-in-particular is more true.
Everything is nothing is most true.
Truth is so real it need not exist.

Resistance is fear.
Fear of truth is the only fear,
That the self would no longer exist.
The need to exist is to misunderstand true self.

Perception is you reflected without beginning or end.
Opposition is as two sides of the same spherical infinity.
Expression is how you realise your own understanding.
Truth is what is without any perception.

True unity is imperceptible.
There is nothing relative about it.
What relation is there when all things embrace.
What fear is there when love is understood.

How naked truth is.
So vulnerable nothing touches it.
So loving nothing hates it.
How clothed existence is.

What fears one when fears are loved.
What fears one when nothing resists.
The fear of one creates the separations,
And makes illusions into a reality.

The fear of unity occupies one
With thoughts that seem more real.
How real is something that withers.
Busying oneself with details keeps one ignorant of the simple truth.

One's fears are illusions of what one is.
All illusions are desires.
All desires are illusions.
For one is already everything one can be.

For one to exist one remembers the illusion.
The source cannot be understood unless one forgets its perception.
The truth is perceived when one unperceives.
The imperceptible truth is fully remembered when there is nothing.

One is all,
All is one.
One perceives not what one is not.
One perceives only what is one.

One is not one
Since there is only one.
One is nothing in particular.
One need exist only when one forgets oneself.

Love is remembrance
Of more of what one truly is.
Love for everything is realisation
That the source is without specification.

Hate is forgetting love.
It is love complexified.
These things cannot be done.
The self is only remembered.

Resisting unity, it multiplies.
Resisting hate, there is more of it.
Remember the self and love is all ready.
Forget the self and one is confused.

Existence is like knowledge;
The more of it you realise,
The more truth you have forgotten.
What truth is so precise.

Everything here
Is all resisted.
What is now not
Is resisted not.

Perception is being surrounded by mirrors.
Resist the reflection and more are perceived.
Re-member the reflection and separations will disappear.
Realise you are what you perceive yet more than what can be.

The most important thing is endless expression,
The continual illustration of remembrance.
What you are is the source of existence.
Beyond being anything in particular.

How do you perceive something to be real
If only you know of things through comparison.
What is reality or illusion in a sea of questions.
How illusory is anything that seems comparable.

One reflects itself infinitely.
All things are the same.
Separations seem as we remember and forget.
Go to the source of perceiving to remember what really is.

You experience what you re-member.
Details how you re-member the one.
The whole forgets each detail.
The end resists its own truth.

One thing exists of infinite illustration.
Something is what it does not seem to be.
One thing is not itself and not another.
Everything seems, for no thing is true.

What is understood cannot be
Without what is misunderstood.
What is created cannot be
Without what is uncreated.

Something in particular is most forgotten.
Nothing in particular is most re-membered.
All of nothing in particular.
Nothing in particular is all.

The only thing truly known
Is no thing is truly known.
The only thing certain
Is no thing is certain.

The only thing that truly exists
Is that to which existence is irrelevant.
The only thing that is true
Is that nothing is true, including this.

The imperceptible is so basic,
Existence is irrelevant to it.
When existence is perceived,
Existence is not understood.

The imperceptible is easy.
If it is made more complex,
It will confuse ignorance,
And simply not exist in it.

The perceptible is infinitely divided.
It is so desirable to misunderstand.
It is frightening to unify things,
For everything must become free.

The perceptible is infinitely complex.
It is so hard to hide the truth.
The perceptible is actually imperceptible.
Perhaps the greatest illusion of all.

One's perception is
One's belief of oneself.
How long before one believes
That what one truly is is imperceptible.

When you are the whole universe is.
Act and the universe acts with you.
Take the universe into consideration all ways.
Think of yourself as being everything that is.

Where you are the whole universe is.
Nothing outside of you, nothing within.
The infinite being is as close to your heart
As nothing is to something in particular.

Anything not perceived is that which is perceived.
Nothing need exist outside of perception.
Perception is resistance illustrated.
Everything resists truth.

The illusion of a wheel turning
Is the complexification of its central source.
Yet the source cannot be perceived.
For the source is nowhere specific.

The source of resistance is non-resistance.
What can resist what knows no resistance.
The source of all things is so true
It does not do have to do anything.

What is small is big as well.
Small cannot seem to be unless bigger is bigger.
What is big is small as well.
Big cannot seem to be unless smaller is smaller.

The source cannot perceive itself as being the source.
The source is everywhere and nowhere.
Being everything yet nothing it does not think itself
The source of all that is yet is not.

Truth is free of experience.
It is free of any event.
Truth is free of existence.
It is free of any being.

The nature of time's pace
Is to remember what is forgotten.
Remembering one by realising the infinite illustrations.
Where is one exactly but nowhere in particular.

Remembering here and now
Your source is remembered.
You are more this loving
Than any remembered thing.

If you are,
You will think yourself not to be.
If you are not,
You will think yourself to be.

If you are an illusion,
You will seem to yourself to be real.
If you are real,
You will seem to yourself to be an illusion.

Looking out, infinite illusions are seen.
Looking in, basic truth is close to feeling.
Truth cannot be explained,
Why when you are most true.

What is perceived
Is only illusion,
As what is perceived
Is wholly incomplete.

One has not to understand existence.
One can only remember what one already is.
What reason should you perceive something,
If no truth of your own is perceived.

You must be something that you are not
In order to be more of what you truly are.
You can only be more of what you truly are
By being what you do not think yourself to be.

Being is remembering that everything is already.
Doing is resisting what naturally tends to be.
Being is remembering more of what one really is.
Doing is resisting more of what one really is.

Existing,
It is not that one forgets to remember,
But existing,
One remembers to forget.

Nothing extant is complete.
Only nothing completes existence.
Without nothing, there is nothing.
Nothing is more complete than anything.

All things exist as one, at once.
Everything can be perceived from anything.
Something tries to illustrate nothing.
It endlessly tries to illustrate nothing.

Everything is perceived
As nothing is forgotten.
Nothing is remembered
As everything perceives.

Nothing is the bond that holds all things together.
Without nothing, the illusion of things cannot be.
All things are illusions that forget what is true.
Within nothing there seems to be something.

How can one think of everything at once
From a changing perception.
How can one perceive nothing at once
From any perception.

One can remember oneself as the source
By perceiving freely,
By thinking without resistance,
And being one self.

Everything that exists has the single purpose
Of resisting what is true by seeking an endlessness.
Remembering the source of existence,
The infinite distraction is no longer needed.

What makes you feel like you are
Makes you forget what you are.
What seems to exist from without
Is not remembered from within.

How can two things exist in an infinite universe.
How can anything finite exist in any universe.
How can a source exist anywhere.
How can something really be the ultimate source.

To perceive once your own perception.
Is to remember your self as the source of existence.
To think once your own thoughts.
Is to remember your self as the cause of being.

In one perception
Is the entire universe.
In each moment
It is perceived anew.

To want is to ignore everything one already is.
What one cannot possess is nothing.
Everything one perceives is one's already.
Nothing can all ways be forgotten.

Nothing is easy to forget.
Something is easy to remember.
Nothing is difficult to remember.
Something is difficult to forget.

Something that can be attained
Is not worth attaining.
The illusions exhaust one infinitely.
The illusion is not what it seems to be.

Remembering your inherent value,
There is nothing more valuable.
The only thing that can be done
Is remember or forget the truth.

Nothing is the most difficult to remember,
As it requires no effort.
Nothing in particular is the most difficult to be,
As it requires no action.

Creating something is easy,
As it only requires forgetting unity.
Creating something in particular is easy,
As it requires forgetting inherent wholeness.

In everything you do,
Its opposite you also do.
In everything you say,
Its opposite you also say.

In everything that you feel,
Its opposite you also feel.
In everything that you are,
Its opposite you also are.

By one thing,
All things are.
Everything in one thing.
One thing in everything.

What does the source of existence matter.
Why should anything have a purpose.
What would be the purpose of the purpose.
Why should the truth be remembered.

All things come from the nothing all things really are.
The truest thing is the least resistant to everything.
The least resistant thing is most the source of existence.
The source of existence resists not anything.

One can only perceive one's thought.
One can only experience one's self.
One can only hate what one is.
One can only love what one is.

Remember one, sixty in one,
Thirty in two, twenty in three,
Fifteen in four, twelve in five.
All things equal in whole and in part.

The more basic one is,
The less resistant everything is.
In simplicity there is more abundance,
In complexity there is more resistance.

You are more what you are unaware of
Than that which you seem to be aware.
Something is more of what nothing is
Than what something seems most to be.

Doing is forgetting
That you are.
Being is remembering
That you are.

The more you resist something
The more you are already
Affected by what you resist,
And the more you are of what you resist.

What you perceive yourself
To be
Is what you perceive the imperceptible
To be.

If any thing was complete in perception,
All things would be perceived the same.
When any thing is complete in perception,
Nothing is misunderstood.

You consider your self as you consider others.
You love your self as you love others.
You remember your self as you remember others.
The only the truth is of what you are.

When anything is done to the last
The same is done to the first.
For infinity is where you are;
The source is everywhere and nowhere in particular.

Everything is the source
Of everything.
Nothing is the source
Of nothing.

Everything is nothing specific.
Nothing is everything specific.
What anything is is nothing.
Nothing is what is is not.

Only when one is vulnerable
Can one be open to the source.
Only when one forgets beliefs
Can one remember what is true.

Think what is not thought.
Feel what is not felt.
See what is not seen.
To understand what is true.

We can only really perceive something
By perceiving what it seems not to be.
We can only really understand something
By understanding what it seems not to be.

Everything is in the whole
Of your perception this moment.
Nothing is not what you are.
Nothing knows no existence.

When the truth is realised
It is no longer true.
When the imperceptible is perceived
It is no longer imperceptible.

Nothing is true.
Nothing is false.
Nothing is perceptible.
Nothing is imperceptible.

What is perceived is
How you remember your self.
All things perceived
Is you in complete.

The only thing that can be seen is nothing.
The only thing that can be thought is nothing.
The only thing that can be done is nothing.
With nothing nothing is done not.

Everything perceived
Is nothing illustrated.
The only perception there is
Is the misunderstanding of truth.

One perceives not
That which perceives not.
One perceives only illusion
That truth does not remember.

Loving another,
Another must love.
Doing something,
Something must do.

One does not perceive,
But believe that one does.
How sleepy perceptions are
On dense clouds of illusion.

Things only seem different
As existence is not wholly perceived.
Existence only seems to be real
As things seem wholly different.

Truth is you without the perception of you.
Truth is you without the misunderstanding of you.
Illusion is the misunderstanding of truth.
Illusion is needed to perceive existence.

One remembers the whole of existence
As one remembers nothing in particular.
One remembers the whole of oneself
As one forgets the endless details.

To embrace that not you
Is to remember yourself.
To love that which hates
Is to embrace your being.

The more something is resisted,
The more it will be perceived.
All things are the same one.
Something cannot be forgotten.

Each thing resists
What it is truly.
What each thing truly is
Is nothing in particular.

As everything is resisted
Nothing is truly resisted.
As everything is perceived
Nothing is truly perceived.

All desires are fears.
All fears are desires.
Desires know no existence.
Existence knows only fear.

Whatever one resists, exists.
Whatever exists, one resists.
Whatever exists not is one all ready.
Whatever one resists not needs not exist.

Big is small.
Small is big.
The opposite validates the other's existence.
The other's existence validates the opposite.

How old is time to itself.
How big is space to itself.
How you are you to yourself.
How infinite is infinity to itself.

The perception of nothing
Is why perceptions are illusions.
Nothing is wholly independent
Of the infinite perceptions.

All is less than a single thought.
One is all ways infinite.
Nothing understands it.
Something misunderstands it.

The less one perceives,
The more one remembers oneself.
The less one perceives,
The more one remembers all to be one.

The origin of something
Is the perception of something.
The truth of something
Is that which is not perceived.

The more you fear the truth
The more you seek to validate your existence.
The more you fear your self
The more you seek others for your own truths.

As the source of existence is forgotten,
Its simplicity seems to be complex.
As the source of existence is remembered,
Its complexity seems to be simple.

One seems to exist
As one remembers what one really is.
As one remembers what one really is,
One needs not exist.

If the truth of you were perceptible,
Perceptions would change not.
If the truth of you were imperceptible,
You would remember it not.

Perceive nothing in particular,
And all things are perceived.
Remember this the source,
And all is remembered.

All things are true,
Nothing is most true.
Perceive something in particular
And truth is forgotten.

The illusion is perceived.
The truth is not perceived.
Everything is the illusion.
Nothing is the truth.

Something cannot ever truly be exact.
Something is not what it seems to be.
Anything is really nothing in particular.
Nothing is really anything in particular.

That which does not see for itself is blind yet sees all.
That which lives not for itself is immortal yet eternal.
That which acts not for itself is nowhere yet everywhere.
That which accepts everything is everything yet nothing.

To resist is to remember not that one is everything.
To desire is to remember not that one already possesses.
To act is to remember not all things are all ready.
To think is to remember not the thought that is there.

By knowing, wanting, thinking, or acting not,
The truth is near perception.
By acting, thinking, wanting, or knowing,
Are illusions near perception.

Being is the imperceptible.
Being not is the perceptible.
All is the imperceptible illusion.
Nothing is the perceptible truth.

The truth is imperceptible.
One is true as one does not realise it.
The truth sees nothing in particular.
Nothing in particular perceives not truth.

Remember the source is complete.
Remember the source is true.
Remember the source is forgotten.
Remember the source is what you are.

Everything exists not in completion
If not for your complete existence.
The more you remember your self,
The more complete everything is.

For something to be true,
Its opposite is also true.
For an illusion to be,
All things must be illusory.

Around every source
Everything is found.
Within every center
The source is nothing.

Nothing is extant if it is not.
Nothing is true if it is extant.
Everything is extant if it is not.
Everything is true if it is not.

Something is truly
Nothing in particular.
Nothing is truly
Everything that seems.

Truth is remembered not
When beliefs know perceptions.
Illusions are forgotten not
When something is perceived.

A wheel forgets its source as it turns.
Its size makes complex the simplicity.
The wheel complexifies itself to try to equal
The simplicity of its source that it remembers.

The source is so efficient, nothing is done.
The source is so simple, nothing is seen.
The source is so true, all things seek it.
The source is so real, it exists not.

A thing remembers and thinks its exists,
But non-existence could not forget.
A thing forgets to think it exists,
And the source remains forever constant.

By nothing is anything true.
Truth is not what restricts.
By nothing is truth anything.
Truth is not what resists.

For an answer to be perceived,
The question must be expressly understood.
For the source to be remembered,
The perception must be expressly forgotten.

Fear is the energy of illusion.
Only illusion is perceptible.
The nothing of truth is feared.
This fear is dependent upon the perception.

What seems good
Is not really good
But is less resisted
In that which loves.

What seems bad
Is not really bad
But is more resisted
In that which fears.

Everything extant must be perceived
Before one understands what something is.
Everything extant must be experienced
Before one understands what is happening.

In the source
The complexity surrounds us.
In the perceptible
Nothing is truly found.

What is sought
Is existence.
What is sought not
Is non-existence.

Perceive others
To seem extant.
Perceive one self
To be extant.

Whatever you perceive in another
You are also experiencing of you.
You are experiencing your self
Whenever you perceive an other.

Resistance is fearing self.
Resistance is illusion.
There is nothing to resist.
Not resisting is truth.

When the outside is forgotten
The inside is remembered.
All is complex and seems
To remember the simple and is.

The more non-resistant something is
The more existence is understood.
The more truth is misunderstood
The more resistance seems to be.

Non-resistance is nothing.
As it does not resist resistance.
Resistance is everything.
And everything is really nothing.

Why is the same thing said
And said and said and said.
Why is one thing extant
And only extant in everything.

By opposing
You create something to oppose.
By resisting
You create something to resist.

In this way
Simple things seem complex,
Easy things seem hard,
Understandings seem confused.

To pursue what you create
And not the source of you,
Is to pursue illusion
And resist your truth.

To perceive not something
Is everything perceived.
To remember the source
Is nothing perceived.

Truth is ramified not.
Everything ramifies its truth.
What is illusion is truth forgotten.
What is truth is illusion remembered.

Nothing is perceived
And everything seems to be.
Everything is illusion
And nothing is existence.

The imperceptible is the only truth
Of one's existence.
Existence, to fear not what truly is
The source of one.
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Bump for this!!!
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Ditto

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@Chaol. I am touched by your long post. It has made me so calm. Thank you.

You lost me with this:

The source is so efficient, nothing is done.
The source is so simple, nothing is seen.
The source is so true, all things seek it.
The source is so real, it exists not.


Source exists. It is energy. How can it not exist?

It seems you've drawn amazing and profound conclusions from having exposed every facet of perception there is to be found...and even beyond that. Even to the point of feeling you created yourself. But, it is all still within duality. There is a place beyond duality.

Did not Source allow this and provide for this? Aren't there things in your life "that just happen" that you do not know how or why?
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It is so real it cannot be perceived ;)

And thus, it is beyond existence.

And thus, does not exist.

(Existence is irrelevant to it.)
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Projection is the key- everything we see, touch, taste, or smell is merely a projection of how our mind interprets the electronic signal it is receiving. Each of us has our own "story", which acts as a filter to distort the signal and manipulate it so it fits into our version of "reality". The key, for ALL of us, is to dettach from our "stories' and filters and allow the electronic impulses to surge through us without being processed through our filters. When this is achieved, one reaches enlightment. In my experiences, the only brief times I have felt this was during periods of heavy meditation and stillness. The mind must become very still- which is why The Thugs in Charge have created an environment of distraction and endless noise.
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perhaps, once "there", you will realize you were there all along ;)
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Careful whos reality you accept as your own.

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Careful whos reality you accept as your own.

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Yes, you should be.
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My understanding of reality is quite simple.
Res ipsa loquitur Latin for "the thing speaks for itself".

It is far easier to rely on another's interpretation of life according to set accreditation. It is far more difficult we say to look into the mirror of our own understanding and experience life untethered by human understanding or dogma.

Only then can we know the truth for the truth of right and right is instilled within us raw and unfettered.
We have our place as do all creatures, we shall learn our place once again.
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"We have our place as do all creatures, we shall learn our place once again."

yes..."A mountain is a mountain."
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There have been several mentions of Thomas Campbell in these threads. He wrote a book called "My Big T.O.E." with 820 pages of an intriguing, fresh perspective.

Aside from Campbell's theories, I find a lot of value in his admonition to take one's time in absorbing new information slowly. He basically scolds many of us for rushing through presentations of new information, pushing ourselves to reach a goal of understanding, all the while skipping over the introductions that would help clarify the new information. I couldn't find the exact passage, but Campbell relates how, in olden times, a person would sit for a long while, contemplating a single, simple concept until he had plumbed the depths of that concept. In our modern day rush for the "meat" of the information, this is something that we longer do and our understanding suffers because of it.

We need to slow down and savor an idea. Roll it around on one’s tongue. Look at it. Examine it. Explore its peripherals. Discover any tangents to other ideas.

Below are some quotes from the Preface to the book, which I think are relevant to the study of these "Chaol" threads.

Thomas Campbell writes:

"Yes, you should read this preface.

I understand that many readers have little interest in, or patience for, lengthy prefaces or forewords. This first question is always: Should I take the time to read this ancillary text, or can I skip it without missing anything important?

Most of us are eager to zip past the preliminaries and immediately sink our teeth into the meat of the main text. Anticipation and expectation push us to get on with the real thing. We of Western culture are an impatient goal oriented people driven toward endpoints. In our rush to the finish line, we take little notice of the journey that gets us there. Such a misappropriation of emphasis often squanders our opportunities because, more often than not, the tastiest and most nourishing part of life lies in experiencing the process, not in attaining the goal.

...

I strongly suggest that you adopt an attitude of patience toward gaining an understanding of the profound mysteries and ancient secrets that are logically unraveled by this new physics...

You may find it more productive to pace yourself by depth of comprehension than by percent of completion. Avoid rushing from concept to concept the way children pursue presents on Christmas day. Take your time. A feast for heart, head, and soul is best ingested little by little, bite by bite, with many thoughtful pauses and much careful cogitation to aid digestion. Genuine breakthroughs must be absorbed slowly as existing paradigms grudgingly dissolve. Familiar paradigms, like a favorite teddy bear, can be extremely difficult to let go.

Every successful journey, regardless of how long or difficult, begins with a single step that is animated by gumption, directed by goals, and repeated as often as necessary by dogged perseverance."

My Big T.O.E.
by Thomas Campbell

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Now, how many of you rushed through the previous post?

Did you actually read it carefully and let it sink in?
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Now, how many of you rushed through the previous post?

Did you actually read it carefully and let it sink in?
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I read it, understood it, and find agreement with it.

You can put your big toe in my water any time.
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It has become clear that we see and experience what we think; that the thinking comes first and the manifestation follows. (PE)
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But how can a thought of reality be expressed, when the thought can only be declared through systems of symbols that are not derived from the nature of reality, but the nature of man's thought?
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Now, how many of you rushed through the previous post?

Did you actually read it carefully and let it sink in?
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I read it, understood it, and find agreement with it.

You can put your big toe in my water any time.
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Thank you for reading all the way through.

You make an interesting invitation.

I'm thinking about it. Considering it. Looking at the ideas surrounding it. Rather enjoying the contemplation of it.

However, my big toe wants to know: is there wine in your water?
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It has become clear that we see and experience what we think; that the thinking comes first and the manifestation follows. (PE)
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But how can a thought of reality be expressed, when the thought can only be declared through systems of symbols that are not derived from the nature of reality, but the nature of man's thought?
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Are you proposing that man's thoughts are not natural? That his system of symbols are un-natural? Can you give us an example of an un-natural thought? Or an example of an un-natural reality?
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Now, how many of you rushed through the previous post?

Did you actually read it carefully and let it sink in?
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I read it, understood it, and find agreement with it.

You can put your big toe in my water any time.
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Thank you for reading all the way through.

You make an interesting invitation.

I'm thinking about it. Considering it. Looking at the ideas surrounding it. Rather enjoying the contemplation of it.

However, my big toe wants to know: is there wine in your water?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853315


You provide the Wine,

I make it water.
Thread: Chains

Have you the strength to break them?
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There have been several mentions of Thomas Campbell in these threads. He wrote a book called "My Big T.O.E." with 820 pages of an intriguing, fresh perspective.

Aside from Campbell's theories, I find a lot of value in his admonition to take one's time in absorbing new information slowly. He basically scolds many of us for rushing through presentations of new information, pushing ourselves to reach a goal of understanding, all the while skipping over the introductions that would help clarify the new information. I couldn't find the exact passage, but Campbell relates how, in olden times, a person would sit for a long while, contemplating a single, simple concept until he had plumbed the depths of that concept. In our modern day rush for the "meat" of the information, this is something that we longer do and our understanding suffers because of it.

We need to slow down and savor an idea. Roll it around on one’s tongue. Look at it. Examine it. Explore its peripherals. Discover any tangents to other ideas.

Below are some quotes from the Preface to the book, which I think are relevant to the study of these "Chaol" threads.

Thomas Campbell writes:

"Yes, you should read this preface.

I understand that many readers have little interest in, or patience for, lengthy prefaces or forewords. This first question is always: Should I take the time to read this ancillary text, or can I skip it without missing anything important?

Most of us are eager to zip past the preliminaries and immediately sink our teeth into the meat of the main text. Anticipation and expectation push us to get on with the real thing. We of Western culture are an impatient goal oriented people driven toward endpoints. In our rush to the finish line, we take little notice of the journey that gets us there. Such a misappropriation of emphasis often squanders our opportunities because, more often than not, the tastiest and most nourishing part of life lies in experiencing the process, not in attaining the goal.

...

I strongly suggest that you adopt an attitude of patience toward gaining an understanding of the profound mysteries and ancient secrets that are logically unraveled by this new physics...

You may find it more productive to pace yourself by depth of comprehension than by percent of completion. Avoid rushing from concept to concept the way children pursue presents on Christmas day. Take your time. A feast for heart, head, and soul is best ingested little by little, bite by bite, with many thoughtful pauses and much careful cogitation to aid digestion. Genuine breakthroughs must be absorbed slowly as existing paradigms grudgingly dissolve. Familiar paradigms, like a favorite teddy bear, can be extremely difficult to let go.

Every successful journey, regardless of how long or difficult, begins with a single step that is animated by gumption, directed by goals, and repeated as often as necessary by dogged perseverance."

My Big T.O.E.
by Thomas Campbell

[link to books.google.com]
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This is exactly why I have 9 blogs with Chaol's material in them. It's how I learn...by integrating myself with the concepts.
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I am not a billionair. That is a lousy reality that I have to accept.

Right now, I actually accept it happily. LOL


Reality can not be perceived in this state of currently reality. Something that we can only see when we are dead.
Maybe we moved out the reality so that we can experience in this fake reality. who knows.

Buddhism teaches people how to see the reality. It is not a religion. But most people don't get it. It is not easy but it can be done.
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This is a discussion on reality. All "old souls", inquisitive minds, skeptical minds, confused minds, and others are invited to crack the Reality nut (or go nuts in the process).

This can be quite a confusing matter to discuss, so I'd like to propose that we use two kinds of English.

1) Most Accurate (MA)
2) Plain English (PE)

Sometimes the only way to answer something is to try to express in the most accurate way possible. Usually this means resorting to quotation marks and high conceptual pathways in order to try to translate the complexities of the response (#1).

At other times we need to speak plainly, without quotes and complex syntax, so that others can easily understand. (So, #2.)

Feel free to respond as you wish. But for me I will begin some questions and responses with a "MA" or "PE" notation. Sometimes I may do both.

Yes, the true nature of reality can be complicated. But it really shouldn't be.

We can put our minds together to make sense of it, and understand a bit more about ourselves in the process.

About me:

I have a few threads on this site. During the past 2 years I've been posting about perception and perspective, dream world integration, reality, quantum physics, the world at large, etc.

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
Thread: Neuronics: The future of humanity (Humanity without physicality)
Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": September 29 - October 28. (Do you know what happened at Farpoint Station?)

But I'd like this to be a thread about how you think about reality, and other great minds to explain how reality works.

There is no wrong or right, of course, so I don't anticipate heated discussion.

If you want to know or share something about reality, post it here!
 Quoting: Chaol


Too funny. You want to propose we discuss reality. Then you propose there are two ways to do this. Hilarious. Do you want reality or do you want reality as proposed two possible ways and no other. Hilarious.
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Perhaps it is there, but it is beyond perception.

When we try to perceive something that is beyond perception it seems infinite and ever-changing.

We try to grasp something that isn't there, first slowly then faster and faster with great purpose, creating a small tornado in the process.

Then we think, "Okay, that is something!"

Then the tornado, along with our hands, creates something else. Eventually we end up with what seems to be a complete universe.

When really we didn't actually perceive it to begin with.
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I'll be danged.....Chaol has pointed out to me, quite often I might mention...that we don't create...and here he is using that word!!!!!!


Busted...hehe!
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But what happens when we talk to someone else?

Are we talking to ourselves? Is it any different than sitting in a chair? (Because it's all perception anyway)
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Didn't we do this Chaol? What are we doing here? Are you creating additional room for possibility? Is this thread a symbol representing your next goal? I respect and look forward to what you have to say, I am confused by your implied intent.(from my perspective, of course and I question you, only with the utmost respect)
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Hi.

On my threads, I have an agenda.

On this thread, there is no agenda.
Its open to (m)any interpretations and opinions.

Hopefully others will see the value in discussing something we're not sure about.
 Quoting: Chaol




Our agenda now is to get you back!!!!

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