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Bill AB499 *PASSED* Vaccination without parental consent

 
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none of yous better have any kids.
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Sorry, last post sounded reudundant. Still having my coffee!
I am wondering if they will be offering the vaccnine to 12 year old boys as well, without parental consent.
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"offering" lolsign
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Yes I know....I know there are other words out there that would better describe it! LOL.
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I can't believe this has been passed. How can anyone forcibly inject your children without telling you? If this comes over the pond parents would be gatecrashing the schools and refusing to let their children go to school until it was rescinded! Man this World just gets better and better, don't it?

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Stick a needle in my childs arm without my consent that will be your last day breathing on this earth...
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When the commercials came out about Gardisil, they made it look like you were doing your daughter a favor and saving her life.

My daughter was 15 or 16 when that came out. I told her no way in hell was she getting that shot. She looked at me like I was a horrible person.

I told her I don't trust that stuff, and for her to stay pure and not be out having sex and she wouldn't have to worry about it.

I also told her that I felt that this was a way to sterilize that generation. Now it is going to be done behind the parents back?

My daughter is 21 years old now and can see that I did her a favor by NOT getting vaccines for her.
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Sorry, last post sounded reudundant. Still having my coffee!
I am wondering if they will be offering the vaccnine to 12 year old boys as well, without parental consent.
 Quoting: MamaHasAwakened


I have not heard anything about them giving it to boys, so hence my question. They are pushing this vaccine here in Canada also. Thank the Creator that I don't have young children at this time, because I would not have my children take any vaccinations, now that I know what's in them.

Mothers.....if you want your children to have strong immune systems & be healthy....please stay away from vaccines.
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When the commercials came out about Gardisil, they made it look like you were doing your daughter a favor and saving her life.

My daughter was 15 or 16 when that came out. I told her no way in hell was she getting that shot. She looked at me like I was a horrible person.

I told her I don't trust that stuff, and for her to stay pure and not be out having sex and she wouldn't have to worry about it.

I also told her that I felt that this was a way to sterilize that generation. Now it is going to be done behind the parents back?

My daughter is 21 years old now and can see that I did her a favor by NOT getting vaccines for her.
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clappa
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As much as I can't stand Jerry Brown, let's look at the woman who actually put this bill on the docket. Her name is Toni Atkins and she's a dem from San Diego.

Is it ironic that this idiot of a woman is a lesbian and won't have children, so she puts something like this on the governor's desk? This is insane!! And FYI, I have nothing against a homosexual, I just find it ironic that this bill comes from a women who will never conceive a child.

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Want to know where Occupy Wall Street should be, at her front door taunting and yelling at her for trying to destroy people's lives merely because she has a relationship with big pharma. I don't hate anyone, but this woman makes me very angry. My oldest son had a severe reaction to his first vaccine and I will never give him another vaccine in my life. The moment someone tries to force something on me or my children is the moment I get violent.

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Today Governor Brown signed into law AB499 which will allow 12 year old children to be vaccinated with out parental knowledge or consent. This currently applies to the Gardasil and Hepatitis B vaccines, but will expand to include ANY new STD vaccine that is brought to market in the future.

well...this sets a new precedent.

[link to gov.ca.gov]
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Let them try, they will be sorry if they come aroound my kid with a needle full of poison
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Vaccines are junk science with no validity. It's a phony excuse bog pharma to poison you and make money at the same time. Shouldn't something that is "mandatory" have at least a little real value and usefulness? Apparently not. Jerry Brown has always been a shithead.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1122898


You obviously aren't old enough to remember Polio.
You should keep your mouth shut about things you know nothing about, cause when you open your piehole it removes all doubt that you are a retard.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2950729


lol Polio is the biggest fraud vaccine of them all. the credit for polio eradication was given to a vaccine when it was blatantly obvious that the credit should go to improved cleaning and sewer systems in America.

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why are so many of you so gullible and believing of the propaganda and lies that come from Big Medicine/Big Pharma/Big Agra?
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Personally, I believe that vaccines are now more weaponized, as it were. Whereas my generation hasn't suffered debilitating aftereffects, nowadays even common vaccines can damage you. Case in point is my friend's young child: less than 2 year old and permanently lost her hearing the same afternoon she received a whooping cough vaccine for kids.
Also, in my country you can sooner sue God Almighty than a vaccine maker or its doctor peddler.

Needless to say, my friend cries (in vain) and her hubby wants to divorce her, cause she didn't ask him if he wanted to let their kid have the vaccine. Oh, and doctors are pretending to have hearing disability when she tries to point out the connection between the jab and awful results.
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Is it ironic that this idiot of a woman is a lesbian and can't have children,
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dear oh dear...
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Polio was a medical oddity that baffled researchers for years. It was first recorded in 1835 and grew steadily more prevalent. It took a long time to learn that the virus was transmitted by fecal matter and secretions of the nose and throat. It entered the victim orally, established itself in the intestines, and then traveled to the brain or spinal cord.[13]

At the start of the 20th century, during the 1914 and 1919 polio epidemics in the U.S., physicians and nurses made house-to-house searches to identify all infected persons. Children suspected of being infected were taken to hospitals and the child's family was quarantined until they were no longer potentially infectious, even if it meant they could not go to their child's funeral if the child died in the hospital.[14]

There are many famous polio victims, most of whom were able to overcome their disabilities, while others were less fortunate: Itzhak Perlman, one of the world's finest violinists, was permanently disabled at age four, and still plays sitting down; actor Donald Sutherland; writer Arthur C. Clarke; writer Robert Anton Wilson; actress Mia Farrow;[15] singer-musician Neil Young; Olympic dressage rider Lis Hartel; actor Alan Alda; musician David Sanborn; singer Dinah Shore; singer Joni Mitchell; former Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas; director Francis Ford Coppola; nuclear physicist J. Robert Oppenheimer; actor Lionel Barrymore;[16] and Congressman James H. Scheuer.[17]

As the fear of polio increased each year, funds to combat it increased from $1.8 million to $67 million by 1955. Research continued during those years, but, writes O'Neill, "everything scientists believed about polio at first was wrong, leading them down many blind alleys... furthermore, most researchers were experimenting with highly dangerous live vaccines. In one test six children were killed and three left crippled."[13]

"This was the situation when young Jonas Salk, a medical doctor in charge of a virology laboratory at the University of Pittsburgh, decided to use the safer killed virus", writes O'Neill. Despite a general lack of enthusiasm for this approach, O'Connor backed Salk handsomely. After successful tests on laboratory animals, it next had to be tested on human beings. "Who would take the risk?" author Dennis Denenberg asked. "Dr. Jonas Salk did ... along with his wife and children, who also allowed themselves to be human guinea pigs."[19] In November, 1953, at a conference in New York's Waldorf-Astoria Hotel, he said, "I will be personally responsible for the vaccine." He announced that his wife and three sons had been among the first volunteers to be inoculated with his vaccine.[20]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Maybe, if the heads of the pharm. companies and their families did like jonas and his family and tested the drugs they want to give us themselves, we could feel more secure in taking them. I think that is a fair demand and should be entered into law immediately.

If this group of posters had been around during the polio epidemic__ I guess polio would still be around.....
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Is the state going to pay for all these vaccines? Seriously, if you take your kid to the Dr for a 3 shot Gardisil series, it costs between $300-500. (last cost number I saw, may have come down in price) This is not a cheap vaccine, to my knowledge! So who is paying for this series if it's given at a school w/o parental consent?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1253271


If the state pays for it, that means the taxpayers pay for it. YOU pay for it with your tax dollars, your neighbor pays, everyone does. So everyone in California who pays taxes is paying to kill and harm innocent children. The Governor and legislature should be ashamed of themselves.
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The governor just signs the bill into law, there were 50 votes for the bill and 25 against it in the California Assembly.
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Toni Atkins can be contacted at (916) 319-2076, (916) 319-2176 (fax), and assemblymember.atkins@assembly.ca.gov. Her website is [link to democrats.assembly.ca.gov] Her primary occupation is Legislator.
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Toni Atkins can be contacted at (916) 319-2076, (916) 319-2176 (fax), and assemblymember.atkins@assembly.ca.gov. Her website is [link to democrats.assembly.ca.gov] Her primary occupation is Legislator.
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She wrote the bill, by all means please email or call her and let her know how retarded she is. Oh and by the way, Like ALWAYS, FOLLOW THE MONEY, Toni Atkins, the rep that want's 12 year olds to be able to authorize their own immunization for HPV has acceepted $60k+ in contributions from medical and pharmaceutical organizations.
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Polio was a medical oddity that baffled researchers for years. It was first recorded in 1835 and grew steadily more prevalent. It took a long time to learn that the virus was transmitted by fecal matter and secretions of the nose and throat. It entered the victim orally, established itself in the intestines, and then traveled to the brain or spinal cord.[13]

At the start of the 20th century, during the 1914 and 1919 polio epidemics in the U.S., physicians and nurses made house-to-house searches to identify all infected persons. Children suspected of being infected were taken to hospitals and the child's family was quarantined until they were no longer potentially infectious, even if it meant they could not go to their child's funeral if the child died in the hospital.[14]

There are many famous polio victims, most of whom were able to overcome their disabilities, while others were less fortunate: Itzhak Perlman, one of the world's finest violinists, was permanently disabled at age four, and still plays sitting down; actor Donald Sutherland; writer Arthur C. Clarke; writer Robert Anton Wilson; actress Mia Farrow;[15] singer-musician Neil Young; Olympic dressage rider Lis Hartel; actor Alan Alda; musician David Sanborn; singer Dinah Shore; singer Joni Mitchell; former Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas; director Francis Ford Coppola; nuclear physicist J. Robert Oppenheimer; actor Lionel Barrymore;[16] and Congressman James H. Scheuer.[17]

As the fear of polio increased each year, funds to combat it increased from $1.8 million to $67 million by 1955. Research continued during those years, but, writes O'Neill, "everything scientists believed about polio at first was wrong, leading them down many blind alleys... furthermore, most researchers were experimenting with highly dangerous live vaccines. In one test six children were killed and three left crippled."[13]

"This was the situation when young Jonas Salk, a medical doctor in charge of a virology laboratory at the University of Pittsburgh, decided to use the safer killed virus", writes O'Neill. Despite a general lack of enthusiasm for this approach, O'Connor backed Salk handsomely. After successful tests on laboratory animals, it next had to be tested on human beings. "Who would take the risk?" author Dennis Denenberg asked. "Dr. Jonas Salk did ... along with his wife and children, who also allowed themselves to be human guinea pigs."[19] In November, 1953, at a conference in New York's Waldorf-Astoria Hotel, he said, "I will be personally responsible for the vaccine." He announced that his wife and three sons had been among the first volunteers to be inoculated with his vaccine.[20]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Maybe, if the heads of the pharm. companies and their families did like jonas and his family and tested the drugs they want to give us themselves, we could feel more secure in taking them. I think that is a fair demand and should be entered into law immediately.

If this group of posters had been around during the polio epidemic__ I guess polio would still be around.....
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Is it ironic that this idiot of a woman is a lesbian and can't have children,
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dear oh dear...
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"Won't have children."

I am glad you went all out to pull that from the post. I am trying to make a point here about this disgust of someone taking the authority of pushing vaccines on my children. And thought I'd add in that the woman that decided to do so is one that probably won't raise a child herself.

I love the typical English attitude!!! Stay in the UK, it'll help us all!
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ok yah im about to pull my kid from public school. fuck this
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I don't get the uproar....This isn't mandatory vaccination -this just allows teens to get the vaccine if they want to, in confidence. In CA teens already have access to testing and treatment of STDs (in confidence).

Trust me, there are some absolutely crazy parents out there that will and do abuse their kids. I know a girl that this happened to - she was 17, and had gotten on birth control and her mother found them and dragged her up to the health department (literally) and walked in and forced her daughter to tell the folks there to give her mother her medical records - and then she went home and beat the living daylights out of the girl.

I'm not saying vaccines are good or bad - but I do think teens should have a voice in the decision process (that's what freedom means, right?). After all, it is THEIR body. While I encourage teens to involve their parents in health care decisions, for some teens, good family communication is not possible or may actually be dangerous.

For the record, I do have good communication with my three (now young adult) kids. Never did get my daughter vaccinated although we all talked about it. My main concerns were long term effects - hers was that she felt like she was putting poison in her body and wasn't comfortable with it.

But not every teen has a mom they they can discuss things like this with....and this bill simply allows those that do want the vaccine to get it without having to go through their abusive parents first.....And yes, I do believe teens are old enough and cognitive enough to make these types of decisions.
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It is my understanding that children under the age of 18 have not reached the "age of consent" to have sex without it being a crime. If the state believes a 17 year old shouldn't be able to have sex with someone over 18 because they aren't old enough to make that decision on their own, then why does the state believe someone under 18 has the ability to consent to having vaccines with questionable histories injected into their bodies? So which is it California? A child should be able to consent to a vaccine without their parents' consent at 12, but can't make any other decisions like voting, driving, joining the military, etc? I am not condoning those things at 12, I am just saying that 12 year olds are impressionable and will take the shot if pressured to by their school or the propaganda offered by the government and media. This law is BAD.
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If a child under the age of 18 wants to get their ears pierced, a parents has to sign a form.

If a child under the age of 18 wants to get a tattoo, a parent has to sign a form.

These "vaccines" are way more invasive & dangerous than ear piercings or tattoos.

This will make its way across America soon enough.

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I just emailed her and told her to go inject some mercury into her veins and see how she likes it.
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Polio was a medical oddity that baffled researchers for years. It was first recorded in 1835 and grew steadily more prevalent. It took a long time to learn that the virus was transmitted by fecal matter and secretions of the nose and throat. It entered the victim orally, established itself in the intestines, and then traveled to the brain or spinal cord.[13]

At the start of the 20th century, during the 1914 and 1919 polio epidemics in the U.S., physicians and nurses made house-to-house searches to identify all infected persons. Children suspected of being infected were taken to hospitals and the child's family was quarantined until they were no longer potentially infectious, even if it meant they could not go to their child's funeral if the child died in the hospital.[14]

There are many famous polio victims, most of whom were able to overcome their disabilities, while others were less fortunate: Itzhak Perlman, one of the world's finest violinists, was permanently disabled at age four, and still plays sitting down; actor Donald Sutherland; writer Arthur C. Clarke; writer Robert Anton Wilson; actress Mia Farrow;[15] singer-musician Neil Young; Olympic dressage rider Lis Hartel; actor Alan Alda; musician David Sanborn; singer Dinah Shore; singer Joni Mitchell; former Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas; director Francis Ford Coppola; nuclear physicist J. Robert Oppenheimer; actor Lionel Barrymore;[16] and Congressman James H. Scheuer.[17]

As the fear of polio increased each year, funds to combat it increased from $1.8 million to $67 million by 1955. Research continued during those years, but, writes O'Neill, "everything scientists believed about polio at first was wrong, leading them down many blind alleys... furthermore, most researchers were experimenting with highly dangerous live vaccines. In one test six children were killed and three left crippled."[13]

"This was the situation when young Jonas Salk, a medical doctor in charge of a virology laboratory at the University of Pittsburgh, decided to use the safer killed virus", writes O'Neill. Despite a general lack of enthusiasm for this approach, O'Connor backed Salk handsomely. After successful tests on laboratory animals, it next had to be tested on human beings. "Who would take the risk?" author Dennis Denenberg asked. "Dr. Jonas Salk did ... along with his wife and children, who also allowed themselves to be human guinea pigs."[19] In November, 1953, at a conference in New York's Waldorf-Astoria Hotel, he said, "I will be personally responsible for the vaccine." He announced that his wife and three sons had been among the first volunteers to be inoculated with his vaccine.[20]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Maybe, if the heads of the pharm. companies and their families did like jonas and his family and tested the drugs they want to give us themselves, we could feel more secure in taking them. I think that is a fair demand and should be entered into law immediately.

If this group of posters had been around during the polio epidemic__ I guess polio would still be around.....
 Quoting: Waterbug




shill
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That's funny. A anonymous coward saying a registered and paying member is a shill.

Not real bright, are you? If I'm a shill, it's to end nuclear. I'll own that. As for your accusation, pfft.

I went to school with many victims of polio.
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From the mindset of those that think government knows what's good for you.
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Thank God we don't live in Commyfornia.

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They don't call Gov. Jerry Brown of California Governor Moonbeam for nothing.

Apparently, Governor Moonbeam has caved in to Merck.

"Merck Bankrolled Anti-Parent Bill"

Key California legislators passing an anti-parent [Mandatory Gardasil Vaccination] bill grabbed campaign financing from the gigantic Merck conglomerate...

[link to www.calwatchdog.com]
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Since most girls are now fugging their brains out by the time they are adolescent, (12 years old) this is a very good thing.

If they are sexually active they should be able to chose the shots even though there is slight risk of death.

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Is it ironic that this idiot of a woman is a lesbian and can't have children,
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dear oh dear...
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"Won't have children."

I am glad you went all out to pull that from the post. I am trying to make a point here about this disgust of someone taking the authority of pushing vaccines on my children. And thought I'd add in that the woman that decided to do so is one that probably won't raise a child herself.

I love the typical English attitude!!! Stay in the UK, it'll help us all!
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Thank you for the negative Karma... xxxx
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Vaccines are junk science with no validity. It's a phony excuse bog pharma to poison you and make money at the same time. Shouldn't something that is "mandatory" have at least a little real value and usefulness? Apparently not. Jerry Brown has always been a shithead.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1122898


You obviously aren't old enough to remember Polio.
You should keep your mouth shut about things you know nothing about, cause when you open your piehole it removes all doubt that you are a retard.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2950729


lol Polio is the biggest fraud vaccine of them all. the credit for polio eradication was given to a vaccine when it was blatantly obvious that the credit should go to improved cleaning and sewer systems in America.

[link to www.rense.com]

why are so many of you so gullible and believing of the propaganda and lies that come from Big Medicine/Big Pharma/Big Agra?
 Quoting: DigitalGoodtime


Vaccines are junk science with no validity. It's a phony excuse bog pharma to poison you and make money at the same time. Shouldn't something that is "mandatory" have at least a little real value and usefulness? Apparently not. Jerry Brown has always been a shithead.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1122898


You obviously aren't old enough to remember Polio.
You should keep your mouth shut about things you know nothing about, cause when you open your piehole it removes all doubt that you are a retard.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2950729


lol Polio is the biggest fraud vaccine of them all. the credit for polio eradication was given to a vaccine when it was blatantly obvious that the credit should go to improved cleaning and sewer systems in America.

[link to www.rense.com]

why are so many of you so gullible and believing of the propaganda and lies that come from Big Medicine/Big Pharma/Big Agra?
 Quoting: DigitalGoodtime


Don't forget that some of the polio vaccine had some problems due to Simian Virus 40.

I won't fault all big pharma, though. I wouldn't be able to work right now if it wasn't for "big pharma". BTW, would you prefer "little pharma" with less scientists and equipment?

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