Who has stocked up on food and water for the coming collapse?

Before you run into your bunkers do not forget the two items that you simply can not survive without and that is fine red wine and chocolate, can anyone expect to enjoy the Apocalypse without these.
So I want you to make haste and run to the markets straight away and purchase these as I truly believe these will make your Apocalyptic experience a more pleasurable one...

Last Edited by Quasar on 10/11/2011 02:11 PM

I agree, condoms, wine and chocolate... we make our own wine and beer at home, so we have loads of that.. nothing like a good buzz on while the whole shit house goes up in flames..

I mean to store 2 gallons per person. NOT to carry. Water purification tabs and filters.

Have 10 cases of red wine and about 20 lbs of yummy dark chocolate mylar packed w/ oxy absorbers.

Yep for this one, and the purported last 10 that were coming. Dipshit!

Government did pass a rule, if you have needed items, i.e. food, fuel, water or such, they can take it in time of need.

First is from Executive Orders in place dating back to 1939 which Clinton has grouped together under one order. The following EOs all fall under EO#12919:


10995--Federal seizure of all communications media in the US;
10997--Federal seizure of all electric power, fuels, minerals, public and private;
10998--Federal seizure of all food supplies and resources, public and private and all farms and equipment;
10999--Federal seizure of all means of transportation, including cars, trucks, or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports and water ways;
11000--Federal seizure of American people for work forces under federal supervision, including the splitting up of families if the government so desires;
11001--Federal seizure of all health, education and welfare facilities, both public and private;
11002--Empowers the Postmaster General to register every single person in the US
11003--Federal seizure of all airports and aircraft;
11004--Federal seizure of all housing and finances and authority to establish forced relocation. Authority to designate areas to be abandoned as "unsafe," establish new locations for populations, relocate communities, build new housing with public funds;
11005--Seizure of all railroads, inland waterways and storage facilities, both public and private;
11051--Provides FEMA complete authorization to put above orders into effect in times of increased international tension of economic or financial crisis (FEMA will be in control incase of "National Emergency").

These EOs are not aimed at anti-hoarding but rather at seizure or confiscation of items and facilities "to provide a state of readiness in these resource areas with respect to all conditions of national emergency, including attack upon the United States." You'll find most 'seizure' legislation ends with this phrase. These Executive Orders don't define what specifically constitutes a national emergency and maybe this is as it should be. The specifics on hoarding are left up to the individual states.

A person after my own heart!!

Dont leave out Operation Garden Plot and Presidential Directive 51

Vitamins are very important to have plenty of and also bartering items like booze and cigs are useful.

yep, I've been warning everyone I know, few listen though. I took it a step further and bugged out to a rural location.

Yep most forget that little detail and regardless of how well one thinks they have stocked up privately its known.Everything we buy is tracked even if we use cash due to cameras,photo taken with checkout etc time stamped.So really its pointless to stock a huge amount.

These EOs are not aimed at anti-hoarding but rather at seizure or confiscation of items and facilities "to provide a state of readiness in these resource areas with respect to all conditions of national emergency, including attack upon the United States." You'll find most 'seizure' legislation ends with this phrase. These Executive Orders don't define what specifically constitutes a national emergency and maybe this is as it should be. The specifics on hoarding are left up to the individual states.

What Is FEMA's Role?

EO #11051 is interesting; it authorizes FEMA near-total power in times of crisis. There's been lots of discussion on the Internet regarding the excessive control FEMA has been granted and it was pointedly commented upon in July's world premiere movie release of the "X-Files".

FEMA was created by President Carter under Executive Order #12148. Its legal authorization is Title 42, United States Code 5121 (42 USC Sec. 5121) called the "Stafford Act." During activation of Executive Orders, FEMA answers only to the National Security Council which answers only to the President. Once these powers are invoked, not even Congress can intervene or countermand them for six months.

What Clinton, or Reagan, or any other president did when writing an EO, was to direct his Cabinet member(s), in this case FEMA, to take specific action to carry out the directives of the EO. Where Jimmy Carter had created FEMA by Esecutive Order in 1979, Robert Safford took it a step futher and pushed a bill through in 1988 that made it law. This legislation made FEMA a bonafide department like Justice. Where the EO is critical to the USC (United States Code) and Title 50, is in interpreting the law how that department or FEMA, should conduct itself when declaring they will tell the states, national guard, military forces, or whomever, to confiscate extra hoarded food or medical supplies or whatever...

We must also consider any PDD (Presidential Decision Directives) Ok, so who will determine how much food we have in our house - why FEMA of course. And the amount depends on the need of all...not your needs or my needs...but the "welfare" of the the needy.

Bottom line? Clinton delegated authority to FEMA to run the show however it sees fit if he declares a national emergency. Who will determine how much food we can have in our house? FEMA. And the amount depends on the needs of all...not your needs or my needs...but the "welfare" of the needy.

Many people have balked about FEMA's extensive authority, but think about it, what other agency has the manpower to cover and implement aid? As it is, FEMA still does not have the manpower to control every city all over the US in times of crisis. Chances are they would only be dispatched to larger metropolitan areas where more crowd control might be needed. Lots of people suggest darker reasons for their existence, but this site is only addressing anti-hoarding legislation, nothing else.

EO #11051 covering "economic or financial crisis" certainly would have terrorism implications as well. An emergency does not have to be defined as another Hurricane Hugo or massive Midwestern flooding.

State Legislation's Role in Anti-Hoarding

The other area where anti-hoarding confusion might have arisen is state legislation. Most states have chosen to enact their own anti-hoarding laws. That means some states may not have such laws, others do and not all are uniform. However, uniformity of state law is something governors are striving for under the Interstate Compact Agreement. The Compact Agreements, much like Executive Orders for the president, really don't require voters' input. They are law if the legislature doesn't object, much like Congress that has 30 days to object to an EO before it becomes law.

At times of "declared emergencies", each governor cedes (gives over) authority of his/her state to the federal government. When a governor declares it for his state, he becomes the delegated representative of the federal government according to an Interstate Compact Agreement. Bottom line, even though federal legislation does not directly address anti-hoarding, goods can be seized if national circumstances are felt to warrant it whether or not amounts stored are deemed excessive in your state's eyes.

How Can I Find The Legislation for My State?

Since these anti-hoarding laws are not federal in nature, one would need to look at Titles for his/her own state. These statutes should be located under Public Safety laws or titles. For specific URLs go to State Legislation Locator. To locate information for your state, look for laws about:

* Blood Typing
* Disaster Preparedness
* Emergencies
* Hoarding
* Injections
* Martial Law
* Militia
* National Guard
* Public Safety or Public Welfare
* State Militia
* State Police Force

Hawaii As A Specific Example of Anti-Hoarding

For Hawaii, this information will be found in Title 10 under "Public Safety". It is located after legislation on militias, state guard troops, etc. Then you find the jewel... In Hawaii you are considered a "hoarder" if you have more than one week's provisions on hand BUT you have to dig to uncover this information. Here is a specific example:

"HAWAII REVISED STATUTES REVISED 1997, Title 10:

(1) Prevention of *hoarding, waste, etc. To the extent necessary to prevent hoarding, waste, or destruction of materials, supplies, commodities, accommodations, facilities, and services, to effectuate equitable distribution thereof, or to establish priorities therein as the public welfare may require, to investigate, and any other law to the contrary notwithstanding, to regulate or prohibit, by means of licensing, rationing, or otherwise, the storage, transportation, use, possession, maintenance, furnishing, sale, or distribution thereof, and any business or any transaction related thereto."

If martial law is enacted. Within 30 days, give or take a few, armed local groups/leaders will be going house to house to confiscate your food/supllies in the name of the greater good of the community. Be prepared

That is true! Dig a hidden root cellar

Remember the tank incident in LA? Somebody just might steal one and do just that.....

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I hate to break it to you folks,

but,

the end will be swift,

you won`t need much food,

a couple of months at the most,

once the earthquakes come,

the tidal waves will finish off what`s left,

whole continents will be at the bottom of the ocean.

They will be well prepared when that times comes.All these people that think they can keep their stuff will be in for a big surprise.With all the technology thats out there and all the ways that are in place to deal with people no one stands a chance.If all else fails they will blow you up or burn you out.Best to take it one day at a time

Well there is one bunker I certainly would like to spend the Apocalypse in...

failing to prepare is preparing to fail

why did you not eat them and buy new? LOL

baloney

Stock up on the things you actually eat, rather than some "special" things that you think you would only eat in some cataclysmic time.

Example: (for two people) buy up about a hundred pounds of assorted dried beans and put them in 1 lb sacks, and do the same with another hundred pounds of rice. (also dry milk, olive oil, seasonings, etc)

When you have eaten up a few pounds of them, go buy some more and restock.

Put the newly purchased food at the back/ bottom of your cache.

This is the principle of FIFO (first in, first out) or rotating your stock.

At all times you'll have several months to a year of staples on hand, and nothing expires.

6 months worth of stuff is a whole lot easier to handle than a full years worth.

they don't have the man power to go house to house and confiscate everything. that is baloney

i am new here...i thought anonymous coward was a pretty smart dude. Ha-hah, I get it now that I see the id#s are different.

My take is what others have may already stated, people are ignorant pigs out there. They over buy to empty stores even if they dont have room for it. Folks will go from 0 to kill you for a parking spot (merry Xmas) at the Mall.

Best to prepare ASAP and let God do what he feels is right. May he have mercy on us all. But it defintely is his will we protect ourselves when in need.

" A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves Monies from the public treasury. From that time on the majority will vote for the candidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the results that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship."
Sir Alex Fraser Tytler (1742-1813)

Look, stock up on what you can, but learn everything you can get your hands on.
Just for an example, yeast to make bread can be made from the organic peach trees, or you can start your own sourdough. The lining of a calf that is still nursings stomach was the orginal rennet to make cheese, you can also use "ladies bedstraw, a weed.
You can use a pressure cooker as a autoclave if you have too.
The antibiotics that you buy for fish or birds are chemically the same as the drugstore variaety. Now of course I'm not telling you to use them, shouldn't use perscription medication without seeing a doctor. I'm just saying.
I know how to brain tan, drive horses, skin game and cook it, train oxen, make a solar still or a debri hut. I don't live on a farm, but my family and I have been learning for years, my husband teaches primative skills, it great.
If nothing happens, what do you lose? I have a great pantry and have had a lot of fun.

Absolutley. READ READ READ. and if you do not have time to read now buy the books so you can access the knowledge. We are not a self reliant population. Life has become to easy, convienant and full of instant gratification. Half the population would be dead within the year when there is no more electricity.