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BISHOP LUCIFER of Sardinia and the Luciferians , What Ecclesiastical Scandal Immortalized his Name?


How did the Lucifer name get to where it is today? Here is a theory..

Imagine, being a once respected Bishop in the Catholic Ecclesiastical History who watches other sects build up in a changing religious and political scene. Then there appears one sect whose beliefs goes againsts yours. In freedom of speech you open your mouth to state your opinion, only to find your named soon immortalized in History books and equated with the Devil himself !!

This what happened to Bishop Lucifer Calaritanus in the years of 355 in Italy during the reign of Emperor Constantius.

Lucifer Calaritanus was a bishop in Sardinia. right before Jerome ( hired by Pope Damascus) was translating Hebrew text into Latin and the famed Lux Ferre became written within the book of Isaiah. Jerome finished his revisions in 405 AD known as the Latin Vulgate. He was working with the translation of the name Heylel and turned it into Lucifer in Isaiah 14:12.

King James version:

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer., son of the morning ! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

The word "Lucifer" comes from 2 Latin words: Lux (LIght) + Ferous (to carry)

Now what did cause a scandal in those years? The beliefs that Lucifer Calaritanus was against was the teachings of Christian Presbyter Arius from Alexandria Egypt, He believed that Jesus was a created being and not the same as God. In the form of speeches, Lucifer sided with a Bishop in Alexandria wrote to the Emperor complaining of Arianism.

This is what the Bible translator, Jerome was observing during this time, Jerome pratically lived at the hip of Bishop Lucifer and could see this take place.

Here is a list of speeches by Lucifer, showing his growing anger against Emperor Constantius for allowing this sect to flourish,.

Moriundum esse pro Dei filio (It is Necessary to Die for the Son of God)

, De non conveniendo cum haereticis (On not meeting with heretics),

De regibus apostaticis (On apostate kings),

De non parcendo in Deum delinquentibus (On not forgiving those who transgress against God)

and the two books of Quia absentem nemo debet iudicare nec damnare, sive De Athanasio

(That no one ought to be judged or damned while absent, or On Athanasius).

This led to Lucifers excommunication and his exile, for he was likely a thorn in the flesh of the church dealing with all kinds of scisms and ideas already . Lucifer was so over powering in defending the Catholic Orthodoxy that it actually stressed more schisms in the church and backfired ! Jerome the Bible translator who was observing the drama called Lucifers followers, Luciferians ! Not quite what you thought Luciferians to be, eh? Well this is where the term originated.

.Jerome (the Bible translator) discusses Lucifer and his supporters in his polemic Altercatio Luciferiani et orthodoxi ("Altercation of a Luciferian and an Orthodox"), as well as describing Lucifer bishop's in De Viris Illustribus De Viris Illustribus

Veneration

In memory the Church of Cagliari celebrates the Feast of St Lucifer on May 20th. Also a church is dedicated in Lucifer Calaritanus name.

Qoute: The Church of Cagliari celebrated the feast of a Saint Lucifer on the 20th of May. Two Archbishops of Sardinia wrote for and against the sanctity of Lucifer. The Congregation of the Inquisition imposed silence on both parties, and decreed that the veneration of Lucifer should stand as it was. The Bollandists defend this decree of the Congregation ... contending that the Lucifer in question is not the author of the schism, but another Lucifer who suffered martyrdom in the persecution of the Vandals. "


In the end. Lucifer put his support behind the Eustathian party which had unflinchingly stood by the Nicene creed, After a exile, more opposition and arguments after a most likely excommunication.. Lucifer returned to Cagliari, where, according to Jerome the Bible translator., he died in 370.

So who really is memoralized in Isaiah 14:12, A Babylonian King? A Bishop? A Bringer of LIght? Or Satan himself? What a mess, that politics and religion can be.

Isaiah 14:12.

King James version:

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer., son of the morning ! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

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So how does Beyonce's pregnancy fit into all of this?
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Lucifer was a common Latin boys name,

Illuminati is Latin term for Mystics and the Enlightened,

We need to grow up and stop telling Fundie Halloween stories.
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Nice piece of history!
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Grow up, We need this info to move out of the dark ages.

Enough already of bogeyman. Lucifer and Satan.
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Thanks to those that High Star me ! Anything we can do to make this world better !

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Would this be your theory or your religion?
Born of the Cosmos...

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Grow up, We need this info to move out of the dark ages.

Enough already of bogeyman. Lucifer and Satan.
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yeah, a guy with horns that got in a fight with god and is now so ticked off that he rules over a fiery underworld is much more plausible
"Stop putting a dollar sign on every goddamn thing on this planet"- Bill Hicks.
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BY APOLLO ILLUMINAUGHTY

How did the Lucifer name get to where it is today? Here is a theory..

Imagine, being a once respected Bishop in the Catholic Ecclesiastical History who watches other sects build up in a changing religious and political scene. Then there appears one sect whose beliefs goes againsts yours. In freedom of speech you open your mouth to state your opinion, only to find your named soon immortalized in History books and equated with the Devil himself !!

This what happened to Bishop Lucifer Calaritanus in the years of 355 in Italy during the reign of Emperor Constantius.

Lucifer Calaritanus was a bishop in Sardinia. right before Jerome ( hired by Pope Damascus) was translating Hebrew text into Latin and the famed Lux Ferre became written within the book of Isaiah. Jerome finished his revisions in 405 AD known as the Latin Vulgate. He was working with the translation of the name Heylel and turned it into Lucifer in Isaiah 14:12.

King James version:

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer., son of the morning ! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

The word "Lucifer" comes from 2 Latin words: Lux (LIght) + Ferous (to carry)

Now what did cause a scandal in those years? The beliefs that Lucifer Calaritanus was against was the teachings of Christian Presbyter Arius from Alexandria Egypt, He believed that Jesus was a created being and not the same as God. In the form of speeches, Lucifer sided with a Bishop in Alexandria wrote to the Emperor complaining of Arianism.

This is what the Bible translator, Jerome was observing during this time, Jerome pratically lived at the hip of Bishop Lucifer and could see this take place.

Here is a list of speeches by Lucifer, showing his growing anger against Emperor Constantius for allowing this sect to flourish,.

Moriundum esse pro Dei filio (It is Necessary to Die for the Son of God)

, De non conveniendo cum haereticis (On not meeting with heretics),

De regibus apostaticis (On apostate kings),

De non parcendo in Deum delinquentibus (On not forgiving those who transgress against God)

and the two books of Quia absentem nemo debet iudicare nec damnare, sive De Athanasio

(That no one ought to be judged or damned while absent, or On Athanasius).

This led to Lucifers excommunication and his exile, for he was likely a thorn in the flesh of the church dealing with all kinds of scisms and ideas already . Lucifer was so over powering in defending the Catholic Orthodoxy that it actually stressed more schisms in the church and backfired ! Jerome the Bible translator who was observing the drama called Lucifers followers, Luciferians ! Not quite what you thought Luciferians to be, eh? Well this is where the term originated.

.Jerome (the Bible translator) discusses Lucifer and his supporters in his polemic Altercatio Luciferiani et orthodoxi ("Altercation of a Luciferian and an Orthodox"), as well as describing Lucifer bishop's in De Viris Illustribus De Viris Illustribus

Veneration

In memory the Church of Cagliari celebrates the Feast of St Lucifer on May 20th. Also a church is dedicated in Lucifer Calaritanus name.

Qoute: The Church of Cagliari celebrated the feast of a Saint Lucifer on the 20th of May. Two Archbishops of Sardinia wrote for and against the sanctity of Lucifer. The Congregation of the Inquisition imposed silence on both parties, and decreed that the veneration of Lucifer should stand as it was. The Bollandists defend this decree of the Congregation ... contending that the Lucifer in question is not the author of the schism, but another Lucifer who suffered martyrdom in the persecution of the Vandals. "


In the end. Lucifer put his support behind the Eustathian party which had unflinchingly stood by the Nicene creed, After a exile, more opposition and arguments after a most likely excommunication.. Lucifer returned to Cagliari, where, according to Jerome the Bible translator., he died in 370.

So who really is memoralized in Isaiah 14:12, A Babylonian King? A Bishop? A Bringer of LIght? Or Satan himself? What a mess, that politics and religion can be.

Isaiah 14:12.

King James version:

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer., son of the morning ! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Last Edited by APOLLO ILLUMINAUGHTY
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINAUGHTY


Apollo, this is absolutely correct.. Great job!
I did a research report on him some years back, the same time I was doing a very controversial KJV text validity evaluation ..

Just an off topic note:
The KJV was published in 1611 AD..and this year marks the version's 400 year anniversary..
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Interesting,

Thanks!

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Grow up, We need this info to move out of the dark ages.

Enough already of bogeyman. Lucifer and Satan.
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Cagliari was a member of the cult of semiramis otherwise as Babylon's mystery religion. Catholicism itself is paganism mixed with Christian concepts. In other words another half truth used by the devil to deceive and you are his agent.
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Would this be your theory or your religion?
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Yes ! Reason, Logic, Truth, Beauty, Light and Love. tounge
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Grow up, We need this info to move out of the dark ages.

Enough already of bogeyman. Lucifer and Satan.
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yeah, a guy with horns that got in a fight with god and is now so ticked off that he rules over a fiery underworld is much more plausible
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LOL

Amazing and sad how theres still hundreds of millions of people still believing that.
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BY APOLLO ILLUMINAUGHTY

How did the Lucifer name get to where it is today? Here is a theory..

Imagine, being a once respected Bishop in the Catholic Ecclesiastical History who watches other sects build up in a changing religious and political scene. Then there appears one sect whose beliefs goes againsts yours. In freedom of speech you open your mouth to state your opinion, only to find your named soon immortalized in History books and equated with the Devil himself !!

This what happened to Bishop Lucifer Calaritanus in the years of 355 in Italy during the reign of Emperor Constantius.

Lucifer Calaritanus was a bishop in Sardinia. right before Jerome ( hired by Pope Damascus) was translating Hebrew text into Latin and the famed Lux Ferre became written within the book of Isaiah. Jerome finished his revisions in 405 AD known as the Latin Vulgate. He was working with the translation of the name Heylel and turned it into Lucifer in Isaiah 14:12.

King James version:

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer., son of the morning ! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

The word "Lucifer" comes from 2 Latin words: Lux (LIght) + Ferous (to carry)

Now what did cause a scandal in those years? The beliefs that Lucifer Calaritanus was against was the teachings of Christian Presbyter Arius from Alexandria Egypt, He believed that Jesus was a created being and not the same as God. In the form of speeches, Lucifer sided with a Bishop in Alexandria wrote to the Emperor complaining of Arianism.

This is what the Bible translator, Jerome was observing during this time, Jerome pratically lived at the hip of Bishop Lucifer and could see this take place.

Here is a list of speeches by Lucifer, showing his growing anger against Emperor Constantius for allowing this sect to flourish,.

Moriundum esse pro Dei filio (It is Necessary to Die for the Son of God)

, De non conveniendo cum haereticis (On not meeting with heretics),

De regibus apostaticis (On apostate kings),

De non parcendo in Deum delinquentibus (On not forgiving those who transgress against God)

and the two books of Quia absentem nemo debet iudicare nec damnare, sive De Athanasio

(That no one ought to be judged or damned while absent, or On Athanasius).

This led to Lucifers excommunication and his exile, for he was likely a thorn in the flesh of the church dealing with all kinds of scisms and ideas already . Lucifer was so over powering in defending the Catholic Orthodoxy that it actually stressed more schisms in the church and backfired ! Jerome the Bible translator who was observing the drama called Lucifers followers, Luciferians ! Not quite what you thought Luciferians to be, eh? Well this is where the term originated.

.Jerome (the Bible translator) discusses Lucifer and his supporters in his polemic Altercatio Luciferiani et orthodoxi ("Altercation of a Luciferian and an Orthodox"), as well as describing Lucifer bishop's in De Viris Illustribus De Viris Illustribus

Veneration

In memory the Church of Cagliari celebrates the Feast of St Lucifer on May 20th. Also a church is dedicated in Lucifer Calaritanus name.

Qoute: The Church of Cagliari celebrated the feast of a Saint Lucifer on the 20th of May. Two Archbishops of Sardinia wrote for and against the sanctity of Lucifer. The Congregation of the Inquisition imposed silence on both parties, and decreed that the veneration of Lucifer should stand as it was. The Bollandists defend this decree of the Congregation ... contending that the Lucifer in question is not the author of the schism, but another Lucifer who suffered martyrdom in the persecution of the Vandals. "


In the end. Lucifer put his support behind the Eustathian party which had unflinchingly stood by the Nicene creed, After a exile, more opposition and arguments after a most likely excommunication.. Lucifer returned to Cagliari, where, according to Jerome the Bible translator., he died in 370.

So who really is memoralized in Isaiah 14:12, A Babylonian King? A Bishop? A Bringer of LIght? Or Satan himself? What a mess, that politics and religion can be.

Isaiah 14:12.

King James version:

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer., son of the morning ! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Last Edited by APOLLO ILLUMINAUGHTY
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINAUGHTY


Apollo, this is absolutely correct.. Great job!
I did a research report on him some years back, the same time I was doing a very controversial KJV text validity evaluation ..

Just an off topic note:
The KJV was published in 1611 AD..and this year marks the version's 400 year anniversary..
 Quoting: Alesiah


Alesiah, wow, How timely ! I didnt know that, Everything is harmonious eh? and timed whether one knows it or not. I had no idea. Thats really awesome.
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Interesting,

Thanks!

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hf
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BTW, keep following this trail..
Every time a head popped up throughout the centuries in the Western World with evidence, whether it be a single individual, nations, internal movements within... that contradicted the RCC's ideology on Jesus Christ..

They were silenced..

However throughout the centuries, the L-rd has not allowed for a victory in the complete eradication of the Jewish nor Muslim counter position the JC.

HaShem has reason for this as well.

"All for a reason in the Grand plan"...

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BTW, keep following this trail..
Every time a head popped up throughout the centuries in the Western World with evidence, whether it be a single individual, nations, internal movements within... that contradicted the RCC's ideology on Jesus Christ..

They were silenced..

However throughout the centuries, the L-rd has not allowed for a victory in the complete eradication of the jewish's nor Muslim's counter position the JC.
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Nothing will stamp out the True Flame, you are correct Alesiah..

I had a vision of the Temple sacrifices resuming last night, Any imput on that ? It might be the subject of my next post.

I know many Christians think that was done away with, but I still feel the need or the vision of the Temple being built.
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So how does Beyonce's pregnancy fit into all of this?
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Lucifer was a common Latin boys name,

Illuminati is Latin term for Mystics and the Enlightened,

We need to grow up and stop telling Fundie Halloween stories.
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So you don't believe that there was a rebellion in the "heavens"? What about the book of Enoch? The rebel uses many names, so what does it matter if it is called lucifer or one of his many other names?
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So how does Beyonce's pregnancy fit into all of this?
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Lucifer was a common Latin boys name,

Illuminati is Latin term for Mystics and the Enlightened,

We need to grow up and stop telling Fundie Halloween stories.
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So you don't believe that there was a rebellion in the "heavens"? What about the book of Enoch? The rebel uses many names, so what does it matter if it is called lucifer or one of his many other names?
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I think there was, but he was silenced for another reason were not told about, The Tree of Good and Evil is free will and knowledge

The closest example I can find of Lucifer is the story of Prometheus who was punished for bringing fire to man.

I do not uphold or agree with those using Lucifer or Satan as a green light for hedonism and dark ritual, nor do I agree of the Fundies condemning him as evil

I think the truth is more middle ground. It usually always is.
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I will put it very simple for everyone here to understand.

"It is not up to you to interpret scripture."

Write your own bible if you do not want to follow catholic teaching.
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I will put it very simple for everyone here to understand.

"It is not up to you to interpret scripture."

Write your own bible if you do not want to follow catholic teaching.
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I highly value the Catholics, We wouldnt have the Bible today if it werent for them.
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BTW, keep following this trail..
Every time a head popped up throughout the centuries in the Western World with evidence, whether it be a single individual, nations, internal movements within... that contradicted the RCC's ideology on Jesus Christ..

They were silenced..

However throughout the centuries, the L-rd has not allowed for a victory in the complete eradication of the jewish's nor Muslim's counter position the JC.
 Quoting: Alesiah


Nothing will stamp out the True Flame, you are correct Alesiah..

I had a vision of the Temple sacrifices resuming last night, Any imput on that ? It might be the subject of my next post.

I know many Christians think that was done away with, but I still feel the need or the vision of the Temple being built.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINAUGHTY


Yes, when the truth is realized that Yeshua, the son of man was not physically crucified but lived to produce a bloodline.. Christians will wake-up to the fact they ARE responsible for their own actions/sins..
This will spring board in their minds the need to flood to the Temple to sacrifice...
Yes, the Temple will be rebuilt for this purpose..
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Wrong.
The Luxcifer [Lightnumber] is 37 and thats the true meaning of Lucifer.
37 is a sacred Number, the Number of Light.
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Wrong.
The Luxcifer [Lightnumber] is 37 and thats the true meaning of Lucifer.
37 is a sacred Number, the Number of Light.
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Friend ! 37 came to me last night, I was thinking of the number 37 and asking God to confirm why he sent it to me, why I saw that number, That is amazing to see this today.
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I will put it very simple for everyone here to understand.

"It is not up to you to interpret scripture."

Write your own bible if you do not want to follow catholic teaching.
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HaShem did give it over to them to spread and fulfill the prophecy... Recall the tribes of Israel did spread throughout, to the 4 corners of the earth and so too the Tanach did follow them..

Spirit blessing
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BTW, keep following this trail..
Every time a head popped up throughout the centuries in the Western World with evidence, whether it be a single individual, nations, internal movements within... that contradicted the RCC's ideology on Jesus Christ..

They were silenced..

However throughout the centuries, the L-rd has not allowed for a victory in the complete eradication of the jewish's nor Muslim's counter position the JC.
 Quoting: Alesiah


Nothing will stamp out the True Flame, you are correct Alesiah..

I had a vision of the Temple sacrifices resuming last night, Any imput on that ? It might be the subject of my next post.

I know many Christians think that was done away with, but I still feel the need or the vision of the Temple being built.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINAUGHTY


Yes, when the truth is realized that Yeshua, the son of man was not physically crucified but lived to produce a bloodline.. Christians will wake-up to the fact they ARE responsible for their own actions/sins..
This will spring board in their minds the need to flood to the Temple to sacrifice...
Yes, the Temple will be rebuilt for this purpose..
 Quoting: Alesiah


Truly the meaning of the Eucharist and and the partaking of the Bread and Wine. His body and blood, Literal descendants !

I saw the Temple last night, like a movie, clearly it was rebuilt.
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So how does Beyonce's pregnancy fit into all of this?
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So you don't believe that there was a rebellion in the "heavens"? What about the book of Enoch? The rebel uses many names, so what does it matter if it is called lucifer or one of his many other names?
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I think there was, but he was silenced for another reason were not told about, The Tree of Good and Evil is free will and knowledge

The closest example I can find of Lucifer is the story of Prometheus who was punished for bringing fire to man.

I do not uphold or agree with those using Lucifer or Satan as a green light for hedonism and dark ritual, nor do I agree of the Fundies condemning him as evil

I think the truth is more middle ground. It usually always is.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINAUGHTY

Clearly that is the rebel viewpoint, but how can trust anything from the father of all lies? You have knowingly chosen you side, are you prepared for when the bill comes due? It appears that the time draws near.

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