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Why don't you do the math before you tell these kids to not borrow money-- or get a job!

 
BigNutChuck (OP)

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Everyone should have a food, clothes and a home. No one should have to work for the basics to live.
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This is a joke, right?
 Quoting: goodmockingbird


No, in fact, it seems to be someone with a desire for our country to change it's political system of Democracy to Communism.
 Quoting: LilOleMe


Well, this is taking this thread a bit off-topic, which I don't mean to do . . . BUT . . . since this has been broached:

Let's examine the idea of EVERY person in America being GIVEN a home, food, and clothing.

Would that not better support the foundation of people, thus giving them the impetus to work harder and do better - BECAUSE they would be relieved of the burden and fears associated with having to get the basics?

If people have to worry about the basics, it distracts them from doing other things they need to do, they become less productive in everything.

So think about this: Do the research and look at how much money - the OBSCENE amount of money we GIVE to other countries!

Yes . . . WE - AMERICANS - GIVE MONEY TO THOSE COUNTRIES.

Then figure how far those monies would stretch across this country annually and what it would do for American CITIZENS!

All you who rant and rave about how wrong it is to guaranteee housing and educations and health care to all citizens in America probably NEVER balk about those obscene amounts this nation doles out to other countries, including many countries who will NEVER do better on their own, NEVER solve their own problems, but rely on handouts from . . . America.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3595192


This is a very good point. Handouts in the trillions to other countries for their people to have entitlements is OK and good capitalism.

Handouts to corporations that should have failed under capitalism is A OK,

Handouts to illegal foreign people in this country, and to legal foreign people is A OK, but

Handouts for Americans getting a education, or losing their jobs, etc, Yep that can't happen cause they must earn it.

Fucking stupid. With all the money these corrupt bastards have given out in the last 2 years you could have paid every American's debt to zero and still had enough left over to fund FREE HEALTH CARE FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS.

This is our wealth they are stealing, but it is ok because they think it is still capitalism.
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This is a joke, right?
 Quoting: goodmockingbird


No, in fact, it seems to be someone with a desire for our country to change it's political system of Democracy to Communism.
 Quoting: LilOleMe


Well, this is taking this thread a bit off-topic, which I don't mean to do . . . BUT . . . since this has been broached:

Let's examine the idea of EVERY person in America being GIVEN a home, food, and clothing.

Would that not better support the foundation of people, thus giving them the impetus to work harder and do better - BECAUSE they would be relieved of the burden and fears associated with having to get the basics?

If people have to worry about the basics, it distracts them from doing other things they need to do, they become less productive in everything.

So think about this: Do the research and look at how much money - the OBSCENE amount of money we GIVE to other countries!

Yes . . . WE - AMERICANS - GIVE MONEY TO THOSE COUNTRIES.

Then figure how far those monies would stretch across this country annually and what it would do for American CITIZENS!

All you who rant and rave about how wrong it is to guaranteee housing and educations and health care to all citizens in America probably NEVER balk about those obscene amounts this nation doles out to other countries, including many countries who will NEVER do better on their own, NEVER solve their own problems, but rely on handouts from . . . America.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3595192


This is a very good point. Handouts in the trillions to other countries for their people to have entitlements is OK and good capitalism.

Handouts to corporations that should have failed under capitalism is A OK,

Handouts to illegal foreign people in this country, and to legal foreign people is A OK, but

Handouts for Americans getting a education, or losing their jobs, etc, Yep that can't happen cause they must earn it.

Fucking stupid. With all the money these corrupt bastards have given out in the last 2 years you could have paid every American's debt to zero and still had enough left over to fund FREE HEALTH CARE FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS.

This is our wealth they are stealing, but it is ok because they think it is still capitalism.
 Quoting: BigNutChuck



Precisely BNC, be interesting for some of the posters who have so harshly criticized your thread and our posts would have to say about this.

Imo, there is simply NO way they could make their claims about the so-called whiners AND support that kind of obscene capitalism.
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Who the fuck only works 8 hours a day?
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Union employees.
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This thread got to be so long I only got to this page now.

This post above reminds me of another reason there is so much trouble with people being out of work: people having to work longer hours or have multiple jobs. Naturally, the more hours someone works is eliminating the need for another employee, causing higher unemployment.

Any thoughts on this matter?
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I did the math, so I got a job and didn't borrow any money that I couldn't repay.
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Re: Why don't you do the math before you tell these kids to not borrow money-- or get a job!
Ok dude.

I give up, lol.

You are right. All protestors are spoiled bums who should be thankful the corporations give them so much. Just like the video you support in the pinned thread says.
 Quoting: BigNutChuck


Where have I posted in that thread stating I support anything about it. Clearly you like to make shit up as you go along to make yourself feel better in you stance and hope others can fall for your ignorance too.

You mentions the TPTB but then who do you think the TPTB are. They control the money which gives them their power, aka corporations.
 Quoting: BigNutChuck


Here is a clue. NOT all corporations are owned by TPTB. I know several people that are incorporated and have larger businesses that provide services to many and yet they are not the money brokers. they are not the power brokers you want to label every damn person who owns such things as. But alas, failed theories for a failed stance.

This means they have a monopoly on ALL aspects of life in America, Food, Medical, Shelter, Protection, etc. This is NOT CAPITALISM!!!!

THIS IS SLAVERY PERIOD.
 Quoting: BigNutChuck


How is it slavery when you have the ability to grow your own food...wait...you have to buy seeds from someone so it is slavery then. rolleyes

grow the hell up guy.

My god please read history. This prick in the video that is pinned ( Thread: A message to the youth (OWS) My sentiments exactly, perfect, message out and DONE!

Entitlements is what has killed every great empire.

Bullshit
 Quoting: BigNutChuck


Actually complacency killed most great empires..that and the thoughts of being more powerful than they really were.

Greed is what has killed every great empire.
According to Edgar Cayce, greed is what even took down the legendary atlantis.
 Quoting: BigNutChuck


I can also state that it was ignorance that took down atlantis. the problem with that is that we do not have proof of such a civilization other than the hearsay of others. Until we have tangible proof using them as an example and someones theory of them is fruitless in such an argument.

You say these protesters are doing nothing. No you are wrong. They are exercising their rights, which we barely still have.
 Quoting: BigNutChuck


Exercising their right to protest. Great. An un-organized protest filled with people that want to have sex with animals as their main theme, and others protesting how it is unfair to have to get a job, and others protesting how they have to pay their college bills now, and yet others protesting how the fed is so wrong. There is no organization to any of this. Yet, I will give you that they are exercising their rights to protest, be it in a confused way.

People pulled the Boston TEA Party over tax on tea by a corporation!!! East India Trade Company
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yes, great you know your history.

People I'm sure in that day thought that was pretty stupid to be UPSET over tea.
 Quoting: BigNutChuck


I am sure it was. Point being...wait...a useless old age crack coming up.

I bet you heard a lot of "back in my day, we didn't have tea. Hell, we had to walk sixty miles for water. Damn spoiled you kids"

This action sparked OUR GREAT COUNTRY!!!!
 Quoting: BigNutChuck


Yep, the best you got is this. typical to resort to name calling and the likes when all you got is whinging like you are doing.

So you have now proven to us that you think the ows people are great. So this means you are in line with EVERYTHING they are supporting.

that includes the sub culture groups of ...

1. Sex with animals
2. pedophilia is just Homosexual tendencies
3. Aliens control the media

Shall I go on? No need. If the OWS was such a great thing then by all means they would have a better plan of attack on this not just gangs of people complaining about everything and anything.

But I digress.

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Ok dude.

I give up, lol.

You are right. All protestors are spoiled bums who should be thankful the corporations give them so much. Just like the video you support in the pinned thread says.
 Quoting: BigNutChuck


Where have I posted in that thread stating I support anything about it. Clearly you like to make shit up as you go along to make yourself feel better in you stance and hope others can fall for your ignorance too.

You mentions the TPTB but then who do you think the TPTB are. They control the money which gives them their power, aka corporations.
 Quoting: BigNutChuck


Here is a clue. NOT all corporations are owned by TPTB. I know several people that are incorporated and have larger businesses that provide services to many and yet they are not the money brokers. they are not the power brokers you want to label every damn person who owns such things as. But alas, failed theories for a failed stance.

This means they have a monopoly on ALL aspects of life in America, Food, Medical, Shelter, Protection, etc. This is NOT CAPITALISM!!!!

THIS IS SLAVERY PERIOD.
 Quoting: BigNutChuck


How is it slavery when you have the ability to grow your own food...wait...you have to buy seeds from someone so it is slavery then. rolleyes

grow the hell up guy.

My god please read history. This prick in the video that is pinned ( Thread: A message to the youth (OWS) My sentiments exactly, perfect, message out and DONE!

Entitlements is what has killed every great empire.

Bullshit
 Quoting: BigNutChuck


Actually complacency killed most great empires..that and the thoughts of being more powerful than they really were.

Greed is what has killed every great empire.
According to Edgar Cayce, greed is what even took down the legendary atlantis.
 Quoting: BigNutChuck


I can also state that it was ignorance that took down atlantis. the problem with that is that we do not have proof of such a civilization other than the hearsay of others. Until we have tangible proof using them as an example and someones theory of them is fruitless in such an argument.

You say these protesters are doing nothing. No you are wrong. They are exercising their rights, which we barely still have.
 Quoting: BigNutChuck


Exercising their right to protest. Great. An un-organized protest filled with people that want to have sex with animals as their main theme, and others protesting how it is unfair to have to get a job, and others protesting how they have to pay their college bills now, and yet others protesting how the fed is so wrong. There is no organization to any of this. Yet, I will give you that they are exercising their rights to protest, be it in a confused way.

People pulled the Boston TEA Party over tax on tea by a corporation!!! East India Trade Company
 Quoting: BigNutChuck


yes, great you know your history.

People I'm sure in that day thought that was pretty stupid to be UPSET over tea.
 Quoting: BigNutChuck


I am sure it was. Point being...wait...a useless old age crack coming up.

I bet you heard a lot of "back in my day, we didn't have tea. Hell, we had to walk sixty miles for water. Damn spoiled you kids"

This action sparked OUR GREAT COUNTRY!!!!
 Quoting: BigNutChuck


Yep, the best you got is this. typical to resort to name calling and the likes when all you got is whinging like you are doing.

So you have now proven to us that you think the ows people are great. So this means you are in line with EVERYTHING they are supporting.

that includes the sub culture groups of ...

1. Sex with animals
2. pedophilia is just Homosexual tendencies
3. Aliens control the media

Shall I go on? No need. If the OWS was such a great thing then by all means they would have a better plan of attack on this not just gangs of people complaining about everything and anything.

But I digress.
 Quoting: The Crazy One



Wow, because he agrees OWS has is exercising their right to protest, he supports them and thinks they are great? I can't even follow that logic...it's just so stupid... it's just... just...so....

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Re: Why don't you do the math before you tell these kids to not borrow money-- or get a job!
500 for a one bedroom apartment with heat hot water and electric included. 25 for a parking space

No car payment. My car was 1000 and I payed it off with my tax return. It runs fine

between 10 and 20 dollars a week for food

thats 160-170 dollars a week. I get 280 a week. The rest goes to liability insurance for my car, phone bill, gas, cigarettes and the occasional alchoholic beverage

Health insurance is covered by my job and if I want extra money I have ample oppurtunity to work overtime. I understand not everyone has these benefits, but they aren't necessary to living so it doesn't matter

are you familiar with the concept of frugality?
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You must live in a ghetto.

10 - 20 dollars a week for food??!! Are you joking????

I would NEVER take seriously the "advice" or "wisdom" from someone so utterly STUPID enough to buy goddamn cigarettes. Talk about a waste of money!
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no ghetto

10 - 20 a week on food. Yes. Tuna fish. a loaf of bread. a carton of eggs. a few cans of soup and some vegetables. maybe some sandwich meat.

You can get two meals out of a can of tuna fish or a can of campbells soup and make sandwiches with one slice of bread.

I lived like this with my work hours cut back to part time, supporting a friend who was homeless without a job or money and staying at my place. Sometimes we'd go for days at a time with nothing to eat but some spinach and carrots. This was one of the best times of my life as I wasn't working that much and had plenty of time to walk around and enjoy the life I made for myself

starving makes you feel alive. You're miserable cause your so detached from the things that sustain life. Hard to appreciate water when Dr. Pepper has 40 flavors

y'all are the slaves. Trying to put the responsibility for your very survival into someone elses hands. Beggars cant be choosers. so I hope you dont end up complaining when the government provides you with a free house wherever they decide you should be living. With whoever they think you should be living with. When they provide you with a job doing whatever they tell you to do for a price they set. When they provide you with a free education and teach you whatever they want you to know (they already do that). When they put you on (free!) drugs for whatever they decide is wrong with you

Right now, I have the freedom to be poor. Right now I have the freedom to be homeless (sorta). I could work 10 hours a week and live in a van if I wanted to. The future you want doesn't provide for that. The future you want is a boot stamping on a human face forever and I dont want any part of that. Fuck your protests

what happens with these movements? Womens liberation put the other half of the population to work and put their children in daycares and schools. What part of that is liberation?
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Wow, because he agrees OWS has is exercising their right to protest, he supports them and thinks they are great? I can't even follow that logic...it's just so stupid... it's just... just...so....

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Actually, if you read what he is so inclined to accuse others and myself of then I am just playing the same game he wants to play in here. Sweeping accusations based on ignorance deserves the same disrespect that is given.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
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You are the ones that refuse to understand that the luxuries you want are not given rights or required to live. They are earned by hard work, making enough to afford those luxuries and enjoying them.
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I didn't bother to quote the remainder of your long and POINTLESS post.

You sir, are a derfwad.

You understand NOTHING about finances in 2011, nor do you understand the point of this thread.
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Typical of someone that can not address the subject at hand.

I do know the of finances in 2011 and simply because I was able to budget money for possible upcoming troubled times does not make me slow or as you want to resort to name calling ... a derfwad...

Those that think having a smart phone, laptops, the latest gear and luxuries who are having issues living in todays financial world because they wanted these items does not make me stupid, but the other way around.

If you can not pay your bills then you should not have bought the items you can live without.

Plain and simple.
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I see a lot of greed and tons of obese kids.
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making sacrifices that meant living out of a car in the middle of a Texas summer for 8 months.
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So that somehow makes you a smarter person?
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Did I say that? Not once. I do however have to say that I can understand where people are in this world who are "hurting". It does not however mean that these same people who are crying about not having money and having all these materialistic things deserve to bitch.

Sure it is your right to do that, but damn some self reliance and self sufficiency is needed in this world not protesting for a hand out.

Some of us could bitch about having to pay property taxes to fund schools. Especially those that do-not have children or home school their children.
 Quoting: The Crazy One


And well we SHOULD!!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3595192


Then get a group together to do that. Get organized. Start local and work up from there.

I find it odd that someone from a 3rd world country will scrip and save, eating what they can find to save money to go to America legally to live and yet does not bitch, moan or complain about how degrading their living conditions were and in some cases are when they get here.
 Quoting: The Crazy One


Most of them come to America and trash it the same way they did their own damn countries.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3595192


Some do and some dont. But labeling everyone that way is really pathetic.

Of course, you can say that I am supposedly doing that too with the OWS crowd, but I have not. I am singling out those that are protesting for useless shit such as the damned handouts when they have their luxuries they can live with out.


Odd how when those that have luxuries are the first to complain about how they have to give them up to live and those that have not are the first to go take 3 jobs or more to make sure they can get them.
 Quoting: The Crazy One


Uh, that's because most of the have nots don't have educations or qualifications to BE wealthy, so they have to take multiple, LOW PAYING jobs just to float!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3595192


I know many that have a higher educational degree and are not even using it for their jobs. Just because you went to get an education at an institute for higher learning it still does not ENTITLE you to a good paying job.
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My bad. Didn't do the math. 280 a week for 52 weeks is 14560

Id have to cut out 80 dollars a week from my budget at 10,000. Quit cigarettes and get a roommate. Problem solved

point remains. Its completely doable
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Is the $280 before or after taxes and MEDICAL INSURANCE??
 Quoting: BigNutChuck


You do realize that someone at this level of income DOESN'T PAY FUCKING INCOME TAXES, right?
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have always lived pretty good on what you consider a poverty level for nearly 50 years...and I have worked since I was 13.
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Well that explains the bitterness and arrogance in all your posts. Most people in the older age groups are just out of touch with reality.
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I'm not bitter, I'm just tired of stupidity. I think alot of us are.

You keep right on complaining....and I'll keep right one enjoying my life, knowing that I can survive and survive very well in fact without those things you believe you are entitled to. I know I am Sovereign within my own castle walls.....I am secure....you are not or you wouldn't sound like such a chicken shit.
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God help what is left of this country.

Good for the people still busting their ass, god knows I am too.

But I am not whinning.

I am telling you something is very wrong with our great country, so wake the fuck up please.


If someone steals your car or money. Your idea is you must TAKE IT AND NOT SAY NOTHING CAUSE YOU ARE A COWARD.

I am going to tell everyone someone stole it and whoop the shit out of whoever it was. It is not whinning.

It is what is right and what is wrong and if you can't see that then you are truly lost.

If our fathers of this country had your ideas we would all be british.

("It is not fair what the british are doing, but life is not fair) You still have plenty of money and opportunities George Washington.")

Grow a pair PEOPLE
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BigNutChuck, I posted many times on this thread and just picked back up with it . . . your points are valid, all of them.

But the degree of obtuseness by some posters here is outrageous! Mostly over 60, I'd venture to guess, except for texgirl who identified herself as being 45 - they just don't get it, they seem out of touch with reality.

So we should all be grateful for a yearly salary of $10K (because it would be a luxury to some damn third-world country), and if we want to live comfortably, to feel secure with jobs and finances, and to be able to indulge in a little pleasure or luxury here and there, and if we are pissed off at how this supposedly powerful nation has screwed over its own citizens - we are nothing but a bunch of pansy whiners.

Outrageous.
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Thank You
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Yes, thank you for stroking the ego of the big nut....
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I dont disagree with the main idea of the op, but your not taking care of your shit if you handle your life like in the op.



The payments on my $24k student loan is 140/ month.

Take care of your car and it will last >15 years.


and no raises/promotions/or taking a better job after getting some experiance?

Only a looser would stay at a dead beat job like that for more than a few years.

Just saying
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Wow, because he agrees OWS has is exercising their right to protest, he supports them and thinks they are great? I can't even follow that logic...it's just so stupid... it's just... just...so....

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Actually, if you read what he is so inclined to accuse others and myself of then I am just playing the same game he wants to play in here. Sweeping accusations based on ignorance deserves the same disrespect that is given.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
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Oh, my misunderstanding. I didn't realize we were in preschool still. You know, the "He hit me so I hit them back" game. That kind of pretentious word play doesn't do very well through text, it just ends up making you look like a twat.
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Wow, because he agrees OWS has is exercising their right to protest, he supports them and thinks they are great? I can't even follow that logic...it's just so stupid... it's just... just...so....

explosion
 Quoting: Skeptically Inclined



Actually, if you read what he is so inclined to accuse others and myself of then I am just playing the same game he wants to play in here. Sweeping accusations based on ignorance deserves the same disrespect that is given.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
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Oh, my misunderstanding. I didn't realize we were in preschool still. You know, the "He hit me so I hit them back" game. That kind of pretentious word play doesn't do very well through text, it just ends up making you look like a twat.
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Wow, really this is all you have now is to do a response saying how it is so childish and end it acting the same way.

Pretty sad actually.
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Re: Why don't you do the math before you tell these kids to not borrow money-- or get a job!
No one forced anybody to get a college degree, or take on debt that is impossible to afford.

Statistics might say the college grad earns more in a lifetime than a non grad. THAT'S IMPORTANT ?

Is that what prompted the stampede to college ? With classes that demand the use of corporate printed books at inflated
prices. How old were you before you realized how the game gets played ?

Guess one may learn more about economics on the street than in the lecture halls.

I think you should blame your parents for having children they couldn't afford to educate.

Just realize that your dollar is only going so far these days
because it is not backed by anything of physical value.

And get over yourselves. 0rganize your "educated minds" to make a non violent message that has some teeth, something that might disrupt corporate profits. If you really believe that 99% are with you shutting down just one sector of the economic system should be easy to accomplish. Or did you give that idea up after BP's gulf boycott ?

OH and if you insist on showing support by marching dress warmly.
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Wow, because he agrees OWS has is exercising their right to protest, he supports them and thinks they are great? I can't even follow that logic...it's just so stupid... it's just... just...so....

explosion
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Actually, if you read what he is so inclined to accuse others and myself of then I am just playing the same game he wants to play in here. Sweeping accusations based on ignorance deserves the same disrespect that is given.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
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I have accused you and the other anti-ows of many things yes.

Do I believe in all ows ideas. NO!
Am I happy they are protesting. YES

I get happy anytime I see people exercise their rights especially in today’s age in this country.

Are they all hippy NO
There are many Ron Paul people I have listened to at these protest, but there are tons of other people with many ideas(Some which I do not agree with!)

Because I disagree with some does that mean I should insult these people. NO

What they are mad about, is what every person in this country is mad about or should be.


I am attacking back fierce people who have attacked these kids and people. The news has done nothing but label these people as lazy bums and so have most of you against this movement.

Are some lazy. YES
Are some trashing up places. YES
Are some wanting TOO MUCH FREE STUFF. yes
But not all.

Like I said there are many ideas with the group, but they are off their asses doing something, and I would rather see our tax payer dollars spent giving money to American Citizens (Even IF They Might Not HAVE Done Nothing For It),,, Then spending it on GREEDY Corporations, other countries, WARS, ETC.

Are there people sending money and trying to hi-jack this protest for their own evil agenda. YES

There will always be evil pricks trying to hijack protest for their evil agenda or public support.

By saying "corporations" am I against all business in America. NO

Anyone who has done just a little research knows that there is a pyramid with most corporations. Meaning they are owned by another, which is owned or tied to another.

It leads up in a pyramid fashion into a few super powerful. This is where the money funnels to, and where the control comes from. This includes banking , which all leads up to the fed, world bank.

Despite what you want to believe they do have a monopoly on ALL ASPECTS OF AMERICAN LIFE WHICH = SLAVERY.

Depending on plantation, a lot of slaves back in the day were given permission to grow their own food, have their own rituals, celebrations, etc.

By your own definition, they were free.

When there is no more real competition and a monopoly all over 90% of goods, services, etc, this is no longer capitalism period!!!


Example: MEDICAL FIELD

It doesn't matter who invents or markets what medicine. If you can't get it thru FDA clinical trials, you cannot sell this medicine not matter how great it is.

So no matter how hard you work, or how smart you are, you must have at least 100 million to get to clinical trials first stage. Then if your invention actually cures something, well you are either dead or missing.

Why??? Because there is NO PROFIT IN CURES.

The big pharm corp own the Government FDA. All your big pharm and big medical hospital corporations, medical equipments, etc is all tied in with a big web.

So under our current system NO AMERICAN CITIZEN WILL SEE A CURE FOR ANYTHING EVER!!!! That means someone you love will die from an illness that might have a cure but never came to light under this system.

What a great fucking system. So capitalism is not working here at all. I would not even call it capitalism, but a complete monopoly of the medical field.

So, unless you take the profit out of healing, this system will never change. This would mean by definition socialism in this field. As soon as you say that word everyone shuts their brain down. Well that does not mean I support complete socialism or want the government to run healthcare.

It means the system is broken and corrupt AND I SEE PEOPLE DIE EVERYDAY FROM IT. It needs to be fixed. But sitting on your ass denying a problem sure ain't going to fix this or any other big problems we have. And hoping it will get better with time is not going to happen either.

By the way. I am a medical scientist with a B.S. in that field. I am also a veteran who served 4 years active, 4 inactive. I have worked 7 years in the oilfield to make more money for my wife to go to school. I have worked in fracing and cased hole wireline. In this work I averaged from 80-130 hours a week no B.S. Normally this fell on a 2 on 1 off to sleep and recoup schedule. My wife is about to graduate as a DVM.
The only reason I said this was to show you I sure as hell am not a spoiled brat bum.
And I can promise you that in these two fields of Energy and Medical there is a monopoly big time that is driven by GREED. They don’t care how much of the land and resources they destroy or pollute in the oilfield and they could care less if someone dies from medication or because they have suppressed a cure in the medical. Profit is all they care about, because to them money = power.

I really wish I could sit face to face with some of you and discuss these problems. I wish you could also sit with one of my good buddies who trains with me in martial arts. He is deployed back to Afghanistan and has a lot of interesting input about what is really going on there. Or sit down with another friend who is back in Iraq. He lost his brother there from an IED there and now he is back for a year. HE has some interesting things to tell anyone who will listen about what is REALLY going on there. These two individuals are warriors and trained fighters. They are not hippies or bums and they are sure not cowards. They support Ron Paul and support ANYONE WHO PROTEST WHAT IS GOING ON, NO MATTER HOW MISINFORMED THEY ARE. Because at least they are doing something.

Point being why in the fuck would you be mad at protesters considering what is happening with this country. Why would anyone trash talk them, instead of supporting their first amendment rights, and supporting the fact that something is seriously wrong!!!!!
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The OP's initial post was far too long to quote.

I love how the young ones these days bitch about all the problems being the fault of Baby Boomers. Simuntaleously, they further bitch about how the Baby Boomers are just useless eaters and a drain on society, the economy, ad nauseum.

And what do I see here but some young douche who wants everything handed to him. It costs to much to work? It is not worth working? Really.

Yeah, why work for what you can steal from another, right?

Being a Baby Boomer who could retire and is still working - and intends to not stop, and who still carries my own water, this kind of crap is just crap and deserves no respect.

I pay my own bills every month. Sorry you cannot cut it.
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Quote BigNutChuck:

Because I disagree with some does that mean I should insult these people. NO


WTF?

Maybe you haven't seen all of your posts on this thread insulting people who disagree with you.
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The OP's initial post was far too long to quote.

I love how the young ones these days bitch about all the problems being the fault of Baby Boomers. Simuntaleously, they further bitch about how the Baby Boomers are just useless eaters and a drain on society, the economy, ad nauseum.

And what do I see here but some young douche who wants everything handed to him. It costs to much to work? It is not worth working? Really.

Yeah, why work for what you can steal from another, right?

Being a Baby Boomer who could retire and is still working - and intends to not stop, and who still carries my own water, this kind of crap is just crap and deserves no respect.

I pay my own bills every month. Sorry you cannot cut it.
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Well I hope you can work til you die there buddy, because the government which you find no fault with says that medicare and SS are entitlements.

So if the gov considers these entitlements, and you are of the thinking that these young bums deserve no entitlements, guess what.

That means that you don't deserve SS or medicare. Just cause you payed in doesn't means shit. They stoled it, life is not fair. So don't cry about it or protest, just work like a good slave til you can't work anymore.

Unfortunately there will be a day, (as with everyone) that you just won't be able to work anymore. Then why should anyone spend money or take care of you. Just because you are old and that somehow earns you the right to get shit free.

Not under your theory, sorry
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Because I disagree with some does that mean I should insult these people. NO


WTF?

Maybe you haven't seen all of your posts on this thread insulting people who disagree with you.
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LOL,

I said I have been fierce to the people bashing the OWS.

But good point, I have been a dick, but I am trying to get a point accross, and I am a hard ass anyway.

So that would make me a hypocrit on that phrase.

I will take that,,, I deserve it.

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Well I hope you can work til you die there buddy, because the government which you find no fault with says that medicare and SS are entitlements.

So if the gov considers these entitlements, and you are of the thinking that these young bums deserve no entitlements, guess what.
 Quoting: BigNutChuck


I love how the Democrats in Washington call it an entitlement that should be kept, and Republicans say it's an entitlement that should be cut...

IT'S NOT AN ENTITLEMENT!!!

It is a user funded program that was paid for and was solvent UNTIL the federal government borrowed from it. The Feds don't fund social security, it funds them.
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Well I hope you can work til you die there buddy, because the government which you find no fault with says that medicare and SS are entitlements.

So if the gov considers these entitlements, and you are of the thinking that these young bums deserve no entitlements, guess what.
 Quoting: BigNutChuck


I love how the Democrats in Washington call it an entitlement that should be kept, and Republicans say it's an entitlement that should be cut...

IT'S NOT AN ENTITLEMENT!!!

It is a user funded program that was paid for and was solvent UNTIL the federal government borrowed from it. The Feds don't fund social security, it funds them.
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I agree, but

Under the current system it has been called an entitlement.


Some people against the OWS have said they want nothing but entitlements.

Hell there was a video pinned yesterday where some dipshit said the fall of every great empire was do to people getting lazy and expecting entitlements.

I acutally think someone argued with me about that on this thread.

So If the current gov, both parties consider medicare and SS entitlements.

And if You are against OWS youth wanting entitlements or change, then you support the current system and are against ENTITLEMENTS.

Therefor you are against SS and Medicare that we all paid into.

Is that theft. YES
Is that fair. NO

But as so many people have pointed out---life is not fair.
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Wow, because he agrees OWS has is exercising their right to protest, he supports them and thinks they are great? I can't even follow that logic...it's just so stupid... it's just... just...so....

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Actually, if you read what he is so inclined to accuse others and myself of then I am just playing the same game he wants to play in here. Sweeping accusations based on ignorance deserves the same disrespect that is given.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
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I have accused you and the other anti-ows of many things yes.

Do I believe in all ows ideas. NO!
Am I happy they are protesting. YES

I get happy anytime I see people exercise their rights especially in today’s age in this country.

Are they all hippy NO
There are many Ron Paul people I have listened to at these protest, but there are tons of other people with many ideas(Some which I do not agree with!)

Because I disagree with some does that mean I should insult these people. NO

What they are mad about, is what every person in this country is mad about or should be.


I am attacking back fierce people who have attacked these kids and people. The news has done nothing but label these people as lazy bums and so have most of you against this movement.

Are some lazy. YES
Are some trashing up places. YES
Are some wanting TOO MUCH FREE STUFF. yes
But not all.

Like I said there are many ideas with the group, but they are off their asses doing something, and I would rather see our tax payer dollars spent giving money to American Citizens (Even IF They Might Not HAVE Done Nothing For It),,, Then spending it on GREEDY Corporations, other countries, WARS, ETC.

Are there people sending money and trying to hi-jack this protest for their own evil agenda. YES

There will always be evil pricks trying to hijack protest for their evil agenda or public support.

By saying "corporations" am I against all business in America. NO

Anyone who has done just a little research knows that there is a pyramid with most corporations. Meaning they are owned by another, which is owned or tied to another.

It leads up in a pyramid fashion into a few super powerful. This is where the money funnels to, and where the control comes from. This includes banking , which all leads up to the fed, world bank.

Despite what you want to believe they do have a monopoly on ALL ASPECTS OF AMERICAN LIFE WHICH = SLAVERY.

Depending on plantation, a lot of slaves back in the day were given permission to grow their own food, have their own rituals, celebrations, etc.

By your own definition, they were free.

When there is no more real competition and a monopoly all over 90% of goods, services, etc, this is no longer capitalism period!!!


Example: MEDICAL FIELD

It doesn't matter who invents or markets what medicine. If you can't get it thru FDA clinical trials, you cannot sell this medicine not matter how great it is.

So no matter how hard you work, or how smart you are, you must have at least 100 million to get to clinical trials first stage. Then if your invention actually cures something, well you are either dead or missing.

Why??? Because there is NO PROFIT IN CURES.

The big pharm corp own the Government FDA. All your big pharm and big medical hospital corporations, medical equipments, etc is all tied in with a big web.

So under our current system NO AMERICAN CITIZEN WILL SEE A CURE FOR ANYTHING EVER!!!! That means someone you love will die from an illness that might have a cure but never came to light under this system.

What a great fucking system. So capitalism is not working here at all. I would not even call it capitalism, but a complete monopoly of the medical field.

So, unless you take the profit out of healing, this system will never change. This would mean by definition socialism in this field. As soon as you say that word everyone shuts their brain down. Well that does not mean I support complete socialism or want the government to run healthcare.

It means the system is broken and corrupt AND I SEE PEOPLE DIE EVERYDAY FROM IT. It needs to be fixed. But sitting on your ass denying a problem sure ain't going to fix this or any other big problems we have. And hoping it will get better with time is not going to happen either.

By the way. I am a medical scientist with a B.S. in that field. I am also a veteran who served 4 years active, 4 inactive. I have worked 7 years in the oilfield to make more money for my wife to go to school. I have worked in fracing and cased hole wireline. In this work I averaged from 80-130 hours a week no B.S. Normally this fell on a 2 on 1 off to sleep and recoup schedule. My wife is about to graduate as a DVM.
The only reason I said this was to show you I sure as hell am not a spoiled brat bum.
And I can promise you that in these two fields of Energy and Medical there is a monopoly big time that is driven by GREED. They don’t care how much of the land and resources they destroy or pollute in the oilfield and they could care less if someone dies from medication or because they have suppressed a cure in the medical. Profit is all they care about, because to them money = power.

I really wish I could sit face to face with some of you and discuss these problems. I wish you could also sit with one of my good buddies who trains with me in martial arts. He is deployed back to Afghanistan and has a lot of interesting input about what is really going on there. Or sit down with another friend who is back in Iraq. He lost his brother there from an IED there and now he is back for a year. HE has some interesting things to tell anyone who will listen about what is REALLY going on there. These two individuals are warriors and trained fighters. They are not hippies or bums and they are sure not cowards. They support Ron Paul and support ANYONE WHO PROTEST WHAT IS GOING ON, NO MATTER HOW MISINFORMED THEY ARE. Because at least they are doing something.

Point being why in the fuck would you be mad at protesters considering what is happening with this country. Why would anyone trash talk them, instead of supporting their first amendment rights, and supporting the fact that something is seriously wrong!!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1149035


This. People are so hung up on the ideology of SOME of the OWS crowd, they completely miss the point that there is something VERY, very wrong going on in this country. But hey, we've already had some people in this thread say that everything was just fine and better than ever in fact. I mean, obviously OWS isn't getting anything done, but the fact of the matter is, I don't have any better ideas on how to fix it either. :-/
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Wonder how the real have nots feel about all the protesters with cellphones and college loans to pay off. Who set up tents on the street and dont wake up to cops kicking them in the face

The people need to change

your intitial post was about how hard it is to make it on 40,000. People have repeatedly demonstrated how it is possible to make it on much less. You have ignored and insulted these people. This attitude is what gives power to the corporations. You protest the system while you continue to benefit from it

This shit will just keep on happening until people change.
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500 for a one bedroom apartment with heat hot water and electric included. 25 for a parking space

No car payment. My car was 1000 and I payed it off with my tax return. It runs fine

between 10 and 20 dollars a week for food

thats 160-170 dollars a week. I get 280 a week. The rest goes to liability insurance for my car, phone bill, gas, cigarettes and the occasional alchoholic beverage

Health insurance is covered by my job and if I want extra money I have ample oppurtunity to work overtime. I understand not everyone has these benefits, but they aren't necessary to living so it doesn't matter

are you familiar with the concept of frugality?
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You must live in a ghetto.

10 - 20 dollars a week for food??!! Are you joking????

I would NEVER take seriously the "advice" or "wisdom" from someone so utterly STUPID enough to buy goddamn cigarettes. Talk about a waste of money!
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no ghetto

10 - 20 a week on food. Yes. Tuna fish. a loaf of bread. a carton of eggs. a few cans of soup and some vegetables. maybe some sandwich meat.

You can get two meals out of a can of tuna fish or a can of campbells soup and make sandwiches with one slice of bread.

I lived like this with my work hours cut back to part time, supporting a friend who was homeless without a job or money and staying at my place. Sometimes we'd go for days at a time with nothing to eat but some spinach and carrots. This was one of the best times of my life as I wasn't working that much and had plenty of time to walk around and enjoy the life I made for myself

starving makes you feel alive. You're miserable cause your so detached from the things that sustain life. Hard to appreciate water when Dr. Pepper has 40 flavors

y'all are the slaves. Trying to put the responsibility for your very survival into someone elses hands. Beggars cant be choosers. so I hope you dont end up complaining when the government provides you with a free house wherever they decide you should be living. With whoever they think you should be living with. When they provide you with a job doing whatever they tell you to do for a price they set. When they provide you with a free education and teach you whatever they want you to know (they already do that). When they put you on (free!) drugs for whatever they decide is wrong with you

Right now, I have the freedom to be poor. Right now I have the freedom to be homeless (sorta). I could work 10 hours a week and live in a van if I wanted to. The future you want doesn't provide for that. The future you want is a boot stamping on a human face forever and I dont want any part of that. Fuck your protests

what happens with these movements? Womens liberation put the other half of the population to work and put their children in daycares and schools. What part of that is liberation?
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Wow! Well said, AC! I wish I could give you some karma pts! hf
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your intitial post was about how hard it is to make it on 40,000. People have repeatedly demonstrated how it is possible to make it on much less. You have ignored and insulted these people. This attitude is what gives power to the corporations. You protest the system while you continue to benefit from it

This shit will just keep on happening until people change.
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I have yet to see anyone repeatedly demonstrate that it is possible to make it on less. I have seen some people CLAIM THEY ARE MAKING IT ON 10,000 OR 14,000 and they have been caught lying.

"MAYBE I OUGHT TO PUT PROSPER INSTEAD OF MAKING IT.
Some of you seem to take making it as survival. NO making it means prospering in America. Making it working and being able to pay cash for shit you need or want."

I have seen several claim how they made it on less BACK IN THE DAY. But times are different, which some of you will never see.

I never said someone could not make it on 40,000, I just said do the fucking math. 40,000 is not what it used to be which WAS MIDDLE CLASS.

YET over and over you people respond and attack that you could survive on less. No shit, so can I, but that wasn't the fucking point.

In the future, IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING,,, then survival on jack shit nothing will make for great threads because we will ALL BE LIVING IT.

But right now we are living in the United States Of America which is real close, BUT NOT YET A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY!!

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