Why don't you do the math before you tell these kids to not borrow money-- or get a job!

Typical of someone that can not address the subject at hand.

I do know the of finances in 2011 and simply because I was able to budget money for possible upcoming troubled times does not make me slow or as you want to resort to name calling ... a derfwad...

Those that think having a smart phone, laptops, the latest gear and luxuries who are having issues living in todays financial world because they wanted these items does not make me stupid, but the other way around.

If you can not pay your bills then you should not have bought the items you can live without.

Plain and simple.

I see a lot of greed and tons of obese kids.

Did I say that? Not once. I do however have to say that I can understand where people are in this world who are "hurting". It does not however mean that these same people who are crying about not having money and having all these materialistic things deserve to bitch.

Sure it is your right to do that, but damn some self reliance and self sufficiency is needed in this world not protesting for a hand out.



Then get a group together to do that. Get organized. Start local and work up from there.



Some do and some dont. But labeling everyone that way is really pathetic.

Of course, you can say that I am supposedly doing that too with the OWS crowd, but I have not. I am singling out those that are protesting for useless shit such as the damned handouts when they have their luxuries they can live with out.



I know many that have a higher educational degree and are not even using it for their jobs. Just because you went to get an education at an institute for higher learning it still does not ENTITLE you to a good paying job.

You do realize that someone at this level of income DOESN'T PAY FUCKING INCOME TAXES, right?

I'm not bitter, I'm just tired of stupidity. I think alot of us are.

You keep right on complaining....and I'll keep right one enjoying my life, knowing that I can survive and survive very well in fact without those things you believe you are entitled to. I know I am Sovereign within my own castle walls.....I am secure....you are not or you wouldn't sound like such a chicken shit.

Yes, thank you for stroking the ego of the big nut....

I dont disagree with the main idea of the op, but your not taking care of your shit if you handle your life like in the op.



The payments on my $24k student loan is 140/ month.

Take care of your car and it will last >15 years.


and no raises/promotions/or taking a better job after getting some experiance?

Only a looser would stay at a dead beat job like that for more than a few years.

Just saying

Oh, my misunderstanding. I didn't realize we were in preschool still. You know, the "He hit me so I hit them back" game. That kind of pretentious word play doesn't do very well through text, it just ends up making you look like a twat.

Wow, really this is all you have now is to do a response saying how it is so childish and end it acting the same way.

Pretty sad actually.

No one forced anybody to get a college degree, or take on debt that is impossible to afford.

Statistics might say the college grad earns more in a lifetime than a non grad. THAT'S IMPORTANT ?

Is that what prompted the stampede to college ? With classes that demand the use of corporate printed books at inflated
prices. How old were you before you realized how the game gets played ?

Guess one may learn more about economics on the street than in the lecture halls.

I think you should blame your parents for having children they couldn't afford to educate.

Just realize that your dollar is only going so far these days
because it is not backed by anything of physical value.

And get over yourselves. 0rganize your "educated minds" to make a non violent message that has some teeth, something that might disrupt corporate profits. If you really believe that 99% are with you shutting down just one sector of the economic system should be easy to accomplish. Or did you give that idea up after BP's gulf boycott ?

OH and if you insist on showing support by marching dress warmly.

I have accused you and the other anti-ows of many things yes.

Do I believe in all ows ideas. NO!
Am I happy they are protesting. YES

I get happy anytime I see people exercise their rights especially in today’s age in this country.

Are they all hippy NO
There are many Ron Paul people I have listened to at these protest, but there are tons of other people with many ideas(Some which I do not agree with!)

Because I disagree with some does that mean I should insult these people. NO

What they are mad about, is what every person in this country is mad about or should be.


I am attacking back fierce people who have attacked these kids and people. The news has done nothing but label these people as lazy bums and so have most of you against this movement.

Are some lazy. YES
Are some trashing up places. YES
Are some wanting TOO MUCH FREE STUFF. yes
But not all.

Like I said there are many ideas with the group, but they are off their asses doing something, and I would rather see our tax payer dollars spent giving money to American Citizens (Even IF They Might Not HAVE Done Nothing For It),,, Then spending it on GREEDY Corporations, other countries, WARS, ETC.

Are there people sending money and trying to hi-jack this protest for their own evil agenda. YES

There will always be evil pricks trying to hijack protest for their evil agenda or public support.

By saying "corporations" am I against all business in America. NO

Anyone who has done just a little research knows that there is a pyramid with most corporations. Meaning they are owned by another, which is owned or tied to another.

It leads up in a pyramid fashion into a few super powerful. This is where the money funnels to, and where the control comes from. This includes banking , which all leads up to the fed, world bank.

Despite what you want to believe they do have a monopoly on ALL ASPECTS OF AMERICAN LIFE WHICH = SLAVERY.

Depending on plantation, a lot of slaves back in the day were given permission to grow their own food, have their own rituals, celebrations, etc.

By your own definition, they were free.

When there is no more real competition and a monopoly all over 90% of goods, services, etc, this is no longer capitalism period!!!


Example: MEDICAL FIELD

It doesn't matter who invents or markets what medicine. If you can't get it thru FDA clinical trials, you cannot sell this medicine not matter how great it is.

So no matter how hard you work, or how smart you are, you must have at least 100 million to get to clinical trials first stage. Then if your invention actually cures something, well you are either dead or missing.

Why??? Because there is NO PROFIT IN CURES.

The big pharm corp own the Government FDA. All your big pharm and big medical hospital corporations, medical equipments, etc is all tied in with a big web.

So under our current system NO AMERICAN CITIZEN WILL SEE A CURE FOR ANYTHING EVER!!!! That means someone you love will die from an illness that might have a cure but never came to light under this system.

What a great fucking system. So capitalism is not working here at all. I would not even call it capitalism, but a complete monopoly of the medical field.

So, unless you take the profit out of healing, this system will never change. This would mean by definition socialism in this field. As soon as you say that word everyone shuts their brain down. Well that does not mean I support complete socialism or want the government to run healthcare.

It means the system is broken and corrupt AND I SEE PEOPLE DIE EVERYDAY FROM IT. It needs to be fixed. But sitting on your ass denying a problem sure ain't going to fix this or any other big problems we have. And hoping it will get better with time is not going to happen either.

By the way. I am a medical scientist with a B.S. in that field. I am also a veteran who served 4 years active, 4 inactive. I have worked 7 years in the oilfield to make more money for my wife to go to school. I have worked in fracing and cased hole wireline. In this work I averaged from 80-130 hours a week no B.S. Normally this fell on a 2 on 1 off to sleep and recoup schedule. My wife is about to graduate as a DVM.
The only reason I said this was to show you I sure as hell am not a spoiled brat bum.
And I can promise you that in these two fields of Energy and Medical there is a monopoly big time that is driven by GREED. They don’t care how much of the land and resources they destroy or pollute in the oilfield and they could care less if someone dies from medication or because they have suppressed a cure in the medical. Profit is all they care about, because to them money = power.

I really wish I could sit face to face with some of you and discuss these problems. I wish you could also sit with one of my good buddies who trains with me in martial arts. He is deployed back to Afghanistan and has a lot of interesting input about what is really going on there. Or sit down with another friend who is back in Iraq. He lost his brother there from an IED there and now he is back for a year. HE has some interesting things to tell anyone who will listen about what is REALLY going on there. These two individuals are warriors and trained fighters. They are not hippies or bums and they are sure not cowards. They support Ron Paul and support ANYONE WHO PROTEST WHAT IS GOING ON, NO MATTER HOW MISINFORMED THEY ARE. Because at least they are doing something.

Point being why in the fuck would you be mad at protesters considering what is happening with this country. Why would anyone trash talk them, instead of supporting their first amendment rights, and supporting the fact that something is seriously wrong!!!!!

The above thread is by me. Thought I was logged in.

The OP's initial post was far too long to quote.

I love how the young ones these days bitch about all the problems being the fault of Baby Boomers. Simuntaleously, they further bitch about how the Baby Boomers are just useless eaters and a drain on society, the economy, ad nauseum.

And what do I see here but some young douche who wants everything handed to him. It costs to much to work? It is not worth working? Really.

Yeah, why work for what you can steal from another, right?

Being a Baby Boomer who could retire and is still working - and intends to not stop, and who still carries my own water, this kind of crap is just crap and deserves no respect.

I pay my own bills every month. Sorry you cannot cut it.

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Because I disagree with some does that mean I should insult these people. NO


WTF?

Maybe you haven't seen all of your posts on this thread insulting people who disagree with you.

Well I hope you can work til you die there buddy, because the government which you find no fault with says that medicare and SS are entitlements.

So if the gov considers these entitlements, and you are of the thinking that these young bums deserve no entitlements, guess what.

That means that you don't deserve SS or medicare. Just cause you payed in doesn't means shit. They stoled it, life is not fair. So don't cry about it or protest, just work like a good slave til you can't work anymore.

Unfortunately there will be a day, (as with everyone) that you just won't be able to work anymore. Then why should anyone spend money or take care of you. Just because you are old and that somehow earns you the right to get shit free.

Not under your theory, sorry

LOL,

I said I have been fierce to the people bashing the OWS.

But good point, I have been a dick, but I am trying to get a point accross, and I am a hard ass anyway.

So that would make me a hypocrit on that phrase.

I will take that,,, I deserve it.

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I love how the Democrats in Washington call it an entitlement that should be kept, and Republicans say it's an entitlement that should be cut...

IT'S NOT AN ENTITLEMENT!!!

It is a user funded program that was paid for and was solvent UNTIL the federal government borrowed from it. The Feds don't fund social security, it funds them.

I agree, but

Under the current system it has been called an entitlement.


Some people against the OWS have said they want nothing but entitlements.

Hell there was a video pinned yesterday where some dipshit said the fall of every great empire was do to people getting lazy and expecting entitlements.

I acutally think someone argued with me about that on this thread.

So If the current gov, both parties consider medicare and SS entitlements.

And if You are against OWS youth wanting entitlements or change, then you support the current system and are against ENTITLEMENTS.

Therefor you are against SS and Medicare that we all paid into.

Is that theft. YES
Is that fair. NO

But as so many people have pointed out---life is not fair.

This. People are so hung up on the ideology of SOME of the OWS crowd, they completely miss the point that there is something VERY, very wrong going on in this country. But hey, we've already had some people in this thread say that everything was just fine and better than ever in fact. I mean, obviously OWS isn't getting anything done, but the fact of the matter is, I don't have any better ideas on how to fix it either. :-/

Wonder how the real have nots feel about all the protesters with cellphones and college loans to pay off. Who set up tents on the street and dont wake up to cops kicking them in the face

The people need to change

your intitial post was about how hard it is to make it on 40,000. People have repeatedly demonstrated how it is possible to make it on much less. You have ignored and insulted these people. This attitude is what gives power to the corporations. You protest the system while you continue to benefit from it

This shit will just keep on happening until people change.

Wow! Well said, AC! I wish I could give you some karma pts!

I have yet to see anyone repeatedly demonstrate that it is possible to make it on less. I have seen some people CLAIM THEY ARE MAKING IT ON 10,000 OR 14,000 and they have been caught lying.

"MAYBE I OUGHT TO PUT PROSPER INSTEAD OF MAKING IT.
Some of you seem to take making it as survival. NO making it means prospering in America. Making it working and being able to pay cash for shit you need or want."

I have seen several claim how they made it on less BACK IN THE DAY. But times are different, which some of you will never see.

I never said someone could not make it on 40,000, I just said do the fucking math. 40,000 is not what it used to be which WAS MIDDLE CLASS.

YET over and over you people respond and attack that you could survive on less. No shit, so can I, but that wasn't the fucking point.

In the future, IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING,,, then survival on jack shit nothing will make for great threads because we will ALL BE LIVING IT.

But right now we are living in the United States Of America which is real close, BUT NOT YET A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY!!

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I am so fed up with these people proclaiming how great it is to get by on $20 a week for food and live in a van or in some rundown place with half a dozen roommates!
Is THAT really "living"?

It's one thing to be frugal, to understand budgeting, to appreciate the value of a dollar . . . it's quite another to be willing to set your standards so low that you are ok with spending your life in a van eating tuna out of a can.

There is something terribly, terribly wrong with the economic system in America - and with the mindsets of those who think it's a-ok to live in virtual squalor.

I do not disagree with that AT ALL!

But I disagree with your arrogant attitude, as well as others on this thread who are out of touch with reality and claim that it's easier today than it was in the 50s and 60s. I disagree that people in 2011 can actually get by on a pittance of wages and that it would be considered any kind of quality LIVING.

NOWHERE on this thread have I ever said I am ENTITLED to ANYTHING!

You and the other posters here criticizing the so-called "whiners" have completely missed the point. You are all so hellbent on calling people whiners, and labeling them as being affiliated with the OWS crowd, you don't even realize what they are really saying.

Wow, are you obtuse.

EXCELLENT POST!

All these old farts calling people whiners for wanting BETTER in American life, are the ones who are right now sitting on their asses collecting SS and medicare, draining it dry when THEY had a hell of a lot better chance of having job security and the proverbial American dream . . . way back when.

Now they don't think the "young" crowd deserves anything but to work 80 hours a week and live in a van or a trailer and be damned happy about it.

That's what they think . . . while THEY are collecting their "entitlements" . . . HYPOCRITES!

Exactly.

Some people think it's fine and dandy as long as you've got a job, any job, and an income, no matter how paltry. It's like, hey if you're making $12K a year, MAKE IT WORK!

WTH?

How does any respectable person live a quality life on $12K a year? Fact is, they do not. By the time they lower their standards and sacrifice, they're left with nothing of quality.

This OWS business is out of hand, in terms of people seeing and hearing what they want to see and hear . . . the media plays up the gross and disgusting creeps involved and then EVERYONE labels the whole movement that way.

Millions of people are fed up - they have nowhere to turn - the two-party system is corrupted and has failed the citizens, and these fed up people who want better, who want to get involved, are looking for something. The OWS certainly may not be IT, but at least there ARE some good people out their at least TRYING.

That's more than I can say for that goddamn old crowd of 60 and older who think it's still life in the fifties.

18,000 is what you consider a cheap piece of shit? seriously, where the fuck do you live? I bought my first car (used) for 3000 bucks and I've kept it running for over 5 years. I agree with your posts to some degree, but you're really exaggerating some things.