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Blinded...By faith in God..

 
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You can't have free will to choose and yet have the entire game already decided before it ever started.
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Hey AJK,

Why not?

Just because someone knows the choice you will make, does not necessarily mean that you didn't still have the choice.


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Since that person already knew your choice, is it any longer yours or that of the person that decided or knew what choice you would make?
 Quoting: Ohwell




Just because it was predictable that you might try to answer on behalf of AJK, was it not still your choice?



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It was done to point out that 'understanding' is much less elusive to a whole group of people without degrees and without the ability to read or write...


Matthew 11:25
I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

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But not exclusively so...


 Quoting: Life and Love



Hello L&L!-

We agree- (which is why 'much less' was the phrase used)






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You can't have free will to choose and yet have the entire game already decided before it ever started.
 Quoting: ajk




Hey AJK,

Why not?

Just because someone knows the choice you will make, does not necessarily mean that you didn't still have the choice.


 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


Since that person already knew your choice, is it any longer yours or that of the person that decided or knew what choice you would make?
 Quoting: Ohwell




Just because it was predictable that you might try to answer on behalf of AJK, was it not still your choice?



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Predictable is one thing, but outright KNOWING is another. There is a world of difference. In one case, there is room for change, but if one outright KNOWS there is none at all. If we can't change the script, we're not really choosing anything, we're just actors playing out a movie.

Last Edited by ajk on 10/19/2011 04:39 PM
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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You can't have free will to choose and yet have the entire game already decided before it ever started.
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Hey AJK,

Why not?

Just because someone knows the choice you will make, does not necessarily mean that you didn't still have the choice.


 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


Since that person already knew your choice, is it any longer yours or that of the person that decided or knew what choice you would make?
 Quoting: Ohwell




Just because it was predictable that you might try to answer on behalf of AJK, was it not still your choice?



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Hey waittttt! Where did my prediction to answer on behalf of AJK come into this picture? Where was that written? I never proposed anything being set in stone, your book, which you believe so much in does and for me it's not a settled story.

Answer the question and stop applying your twisted logic. If you believe so much that the bible predicted things and in fact the end is set in stone (although I just see the book as a plan by some bunch of people which wont succeed), then how could there be freewill in an already decided case as the book and your religion presents?
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Predictable is one thing, but outright KNOWING is another. There is a world of difference. In one case, there is room for change, but if one outright KNOWS there is none at all. If we can't change the script, we're not really choosing anything, we're just actors playing out a movie.
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Good- glad you are still here.


In August we learned about a new supernova. ( [link to www.popsci.com]

At that point we KNEW.

When do you think God knew?




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Hey AJK,

Why not?

Just because someone knows the choice you will make, does not necessarily mean that you didn't still have the choice.


 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


Since that person already knew your choice, is it any longer yours or that of the person that decided or knew what choice you would make?
 Quoting: Ohwell




Just because it was predictable that you might try to answer on behalf of AJK, was it not still your choice?




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If you believe so much that the bible predicted things and in fact the end is set in stone .
 Quoting: Ohwell




Where was this stated?

Here is the humble opinion:

From God's 'perspective'- it already happened.




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Where was this stated?
Here is the humble opinion:
From God's 'perspective'- it already happened.


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Wow, I am not having this discussion any further. Your mind needs a overhaul. Your logic needs a reset. You are defining your concept of god and your beliefs based on that book and they just dont add up. Try for once to think outside of the box of that book. You will be amazed how liberated, well and intuitive your mind will work.

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Just because it was predictable that you might try to answer on behalf of AJK, was it not still your choice?




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If you believe so much that the bible predicted things and in fact the end is set in stone .
 Quoting: Ohwell




Where was this stated?

Here is the humble opinion:

From God's 'perspective'- it already happened.



 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


... Try for once to think outside of the box of that book. You will be amazed how liberated, well and intuitive your mind will work...
 Quoting: Ohwell



It is amazing-

Even the Mayan Popul Vu has some truth...

Thread: Pres. C. Arthur served for 42 mo. as predicted by REVELATION! Both he and OBAMA were British citizens at birth! (Guess what’s next)






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What is Gods favorite place on this earth?
Ever wonder why, if you know the answer? lol
Mt. Zion in case you did not know.
Why is Mt. Zion Gods favorite place in all universes that
He has created? It is written, have you not read? lol

Love you in the Lord, blessings..
 Quoting: Little Star


Ok...so what are you saying god has pitched a tent at Mt. zion this whole time..?? Yes i have read..But no i will not anymore..rumor is the bible was channeled..but shhhhhh..
 Quoting: Aiyanna


I read the bottom of all your postings the words that say" I am going to hell".
No you are not!
In heaven is a gulf, when I died in 1993 I saw the gulf. The gulf is a place where the bad boys and girls go. They can see Paradise or heaven and those on the other side of the gulf can see those that must be taught the truth.
Notice how I did not say "They were burning in hell and frying like a piece of bacon ?"
When you die, you will go through a bright light, full of colors and at the end you will see the dimension of where God is right now. You can count on it. And any other person in your family will be their waiting for you. (as a matter of fact, based on my journey to the other side, your family that passed has a shorter time to see you, then you have here to see them again.) What? Say that again you might think.... lol Yes, one day with the Lord is a thousand years, and in our time your family that you know will only wait minutes on the other side in that dimension for you. But again, you will have to wait, "earth years" or "earth time" to get to see them. --------------

No, God did not pitch a tent. In the past we had things far greater than what man has made on this earth. God has created things that you could not even understand if you looked right at them. (Speaking from experience from crossing over and seeing things I did not understand what I was seeing or looking at.)
You don't have to believe me when I share these things. I am not looking for some pat on the back or followers. I am tho going to reveal what I have learned and what I have uncovered.
The time line that we are on right now will end. You can count on it. We shall see a new earth age, and you can count on that. And in that earth age, no wars, no troubles, no death at all. No more going out to be tested.

We all, and I mean all, will see that we have been together from the beginning and that evil one does not want you to know this.
Love thy neighbor as thy self? Hummmm, I bet that it was that way long before the overthrow attempt.

As you can see, I am a believer, and I am not your enemy.
Your enemy that robs, steals, corrupts you are the Kenites. Oh, they love to hide and they stay hidden too.

Mean while, we all debate who what when and where and the real enemy laughs at us all.

Blessings
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^wish more people were like you. I hate the bible. Can't stand the thing. True or not it makes that God seem like a complete lunatic. I believe in a "creator" i do not believe in religions or the need for a church. I don't need anyone to read the scriptures to me..i am perfectly capable of accomplishing that and more with out the influences of a church. Some people go for the social "motivation" but i have enough friends who live with morals even i look up to, so for me i have chosen not to get involved with religion. Like i was saying, I'm not religious. I am spiritual and i believe in the ten commandments..didn't need someone telling me them either- We all should know right from wrong. But i highly doubt me not considering myself christian and having a different point of veiw qualifys for people telling me i'm going to hell and that i'm evil and a horrible person. So many things i see wrong with this world, even before i stopped being a christian- I watch my child with special needs go down a long struggling path everyday..theirs more to life then just going to church. Love is Love - it doesn't matter what religion you follow or choose not to follow. Thank you for your input! hf
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Boy OP I really feel for you. I don't go to some church either and it is personal, and I am not bad mouthing any denomination or religion.
I am just going to tell things straight up and let the chips fall where they may.

There is more to the Word than what you know. Read Hosea 6:6 and tell me what you think God is saying there. It is for you my friend.

I am never going to tells someone they are doomed because they do not believe. I know that in the millennium the Zadok will be teaching those and according to my bible, there will be many "second fruits". The first "Fruits are those that truly love God, wanting to obey His commandments because God does not want any unruly characters in heaven after everything is said and done.
IN the book of Eze. chapter 44 you can read of the Zadok who are the first fruits (all Christians should know this but they don't), they are teaching today the truth and will be when Christ comes. Then as chapter 44 tells us the Zadok can go out of the temple and talk to their family members basically telling them to get their act together.
So some of you who are Christians, you family member who did not come to Christ, still has that opportunity in the millennium. After all that is why Christ has the 1000 year rule. And at the end, Satan is released one more time. And do you know, many who come to the whole full knowledge will still follow that monster, that abomination of desolation, that man of sin, son of perdition.....

He is the only with those titles, yet many Christians can't see that. They think the anti-Christ will be some man.
Mis-teachings to the max they are mis-taught.

Satan will land 7 miles north of Mt. Zion, and he will have 7000 bad beautiful angels with him. And the whole world will wonder after them.
Those that have the seal of God in their forehead, Satan cannot touch in that hour of temptation. (Rev. 9:4) In that chapter God commands Satan and his "locust" army of bad angels that they can deceive as many as they wish on earth in that hour. But they cannot touch those that have the seal of God in their forehead.

You can count on me being sealed. And I know since I have been on glp since 1999 2000 I have met several, but not too many that I can tell they have the seal of God in their forehead. I proved that one day about the sealing with some Christians on this site, and they got upset with me about it.
They found out that those who are sealed have the same end time info given by God Himself...

They will teach, and lead many to find the truth before it is too late.
About the Kenites. I will post a bit more on my next posting for those who have asked.

Blessings
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If you believe so much that the bible predicted things and in fact the end is set in stone .
 Quoting: Ohwell




Where was this stated?

Here is the humble opinion:

From God's 'perspective'- it already happened.



 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


... Try for once to think outside of the box of that book. You will be amazed how liberated, well and intuitive your mind will work...
 Quoting: Ohwell



It is amazing-

Even the Mayan Popul Vu has some truth...

Thread: Pres. C. Arthur served for 42 mo. as predicted by REVELATION! Both he and OBAMA were British citizens at birth! (Guess what’s next)






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If you're using your book as proof of anything here, you're still not thinking outside it. You won't understand what others are telling you until you allow yourself to.

Last Edited by ajk on 10/19/2011 05:08 PM
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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Where was this stated?

Here is the humble opinion:

From God's 'perspective'- it already happened.



 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


... Try for once to think outside of the box of that book. You will be amazed how liberated, well and intuitive your mind will work...
 Quoting: Ohwell



It is amazing-

Even the Mayan Popul Vu has some truth...

Thread: Pres. C. Arthur served for 42 mo. as predicted by REVELATION! Both he and OBAMA were British citizens at birth! (Guess what’s next)





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If you're using your book as proof of anything here...
 Quoting: ajk




Just that the Truth is all around you.(not just in the Bible)





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What is Gods favorite place on this earth?
Ever wonder why, if you know the answer? lol
Mt. Zion in case you did not know.
Why is Mt. Zion Gods favorite place in all universes that
He has created? It is written, have you not read? lol

Love you in the Lord, blessings..
 Quoting: Little Star


Ok...so what are you saying god has pitched a tent at Mt. zion this whole time..?? Yes i have read..But no i will not anymore..rumor is the bible was channeled..but shhhhhh..
 Quoting: Aiyanna


I read the bottom of all your postings the words that say" I am going to hell".
No you are not!
In heaven is a gulf, when I died in 1993 I saw the gulf. The gulf is a place where the bad boys and girls go. They can see Paradise or heaven and those on the other side of the gulf can see those that must be taught the truth.
Notice how I did not say "They were burning in hell and frying like a piece of bacon ?"
When you die, you will go through a bright light, full of colors and at the end you will see the dimension of where God is right now. You can count on it. And any other person in your family will be their waiting for you. (as a matter of fact, based on my journey to the other side, your family that passed has a shorter time to see you, then you have here to see them again.) What? Say that again you might think.... lol Yes, one day with the Lord is a thousand years, and in our time your family that you know will only wait minutes on the other side in that dimension for you. But again, you will have to wait, "earth years" or "earth time" to get to see them. --------------

No, God did not pitch a tent. In the past we had things far greater than what man has made on this earth. God has created things that you could not even understand if you looked right at them. (Speaking from experience from crossing over and seeing things I did not understand what I was seeing or looking at.)
You don't have to believe me when I share these things. I am not looking for some pat on the back or followers. I am tho going to reveal what I have learned and what I have uncovered.
The time line that we are on right now will end. You can count on it. We shall see a new earth age, and you can count on that. And in that earth age, no wars, no troubles, no death at all. No more going out to be tested.

We all, and I mean all, will see that we have been together from the beginning and that evil one does not want you to know this.
Love thy neighbor as thy self? Hummmm, I bet that it was that way long before the overthrow attempt.

As you can see, I am a believer, and I am not your enemy.

Your enemy that robs, steals, corrupts you are the Kenites. Oh, they love to hide and they stay hidden too.

Mean while, we all debate who what when and where and the real enemy laughs at us all.

Blessings
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Will you make a thread on your experience please? very interested to hear if not, maybe a thread going into the details of the kenites and there role in todays world?
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I appreciate your questions and your interest.

Unlike many who have said they have crossed over, I feel that it is between God and myself. I know people, and people like excitements, thrills, and love to hear about what happened to me.

Sorry, I am not pushing myself, nor want to write a book, nor want any persons money. All I want is for people to give the bible a real chance instead of listening to the bible thumpers who really fall into the same position that Amos 8:11 tells us. That verse has already been fulfilled.

All I will tell you is that God is for real! He is not some ball of fire, although the bible says "God is a consuming fire" which means "He can destroy anything or anyone." Fire represents "truth and purity".

Heaven is real!

And those that write books and say "they went to some hell fire and brimstone place when they passed over"; well lets just say they want money and are "sour pickle dreamers".

I have heard it all, and seen it all in the denominations.
Satan loves twisting them all around and making them fall daily.
Satan says " Just learn John 3:16 " and then apply a little of belief called faith and that is all you need to know.
Christ tells me this " Have you not read? Is it not written"...

I could go on an on about what I have seen so far as being a Christian.

Before I crossed over I was like many non-believers. I did not believe in anything. I did not believe in God or anything kind of God.
I did not believe in Jesus, but I will tell you now that He is for real.

People love to hear about heaven, and they like it when I share it. I don't share it that often, and when I do, it is to teach and share what I have learned.

Sorry OP for digressing a bit here to answer your question and others.
Thanks for letting me be apart of your thread. AFter all we have been family since the beginning of our creation. So thanks for letting me come to your home thread...

Blessings
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You won't understand what others are telling you until you allow yourself to.
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Likewise...

"No man can push another into goodness, or force spiritual credits upon him. Men are brought to goodness by guidance and example."
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There are some of you who think you have dominion over your own self. You don't. God created you and he can also put you into hell. You do, however, have the free will to obey His commandments or not to, but in the end, He is your maker.
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Oh that's a bunch of bullshit! How can a person freely choose ANYTHING if they are being told if they choose wrong God will burn them in hell forever??? That's just like a rapist telling their victim that they can let them do as they wish or not, but if they choose to fight back they will be killed. Do they have a choice? Technically yes. Do they have a choice if they want to live? Not in the least.

This "free will" is nothing more than spiritual rape and blackmail. It simply cannot exist when there are threats pushed onto you depending on what you choose. That's just simple common sense. Take your head out of that damned book and maybe you'd see that.
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These guys with their book have so much twisted logic. Not until you take a step back free from all the mind trap can you see the BS for what it is.
 Quoting: Ohwell


The key is being able to do that though, many people can't or won't allow themselves to. Pride can be a very powerful thing, as can fear, which is much of what this religion is based on. They can't question because if they do and go away from what they're told, God will get them. With those two elements at play, it can keep one trapped in the system very easily.

On the free will thing too that you spoke of, that's a great point also. How are we freely choosing anything if the script is already written? We're really not, it would be an impossibility. You can't have free will to choose and yet have the entire game already decided before it ever started.
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I can agree with your feelings on this.

After all being a Christian I know how the church systems work and that is why I do not have a "home" church. I still go to churches when asked to teach. But never do I attend a church as if it is my home church. My home church is God and His domain. lol

Yes, many Christians get that pride you have seen.
God is not out to zap anyone. And before anyone says" Well that is a lie, because it says God told some in the bible to go kill every man, woman, child, and even their animals.
But the questions remains is, do you know why God did that?

It was not do to "worshiping" Him, or idol worshipers all the time. It had to do with the inner mixing of the tribes with the napha, naphal, fallen angels. They came over and over and over again to try and ruin everything.
Christ even says in Matthew 24 that in the Days of Noah so shall it be in the end times, they will be giving and taking in marriage.

Question" Who will be giving and taking in marriage"?

7000 wicked angels with Satan will be taking all woman that do not have their "head covered'. And we see many denominations have their woman were these little white hats to cover their heads. When I see that I feel so sorry for them. The covering they are to have is Eph. chapter six, that is the armor that protects against the "angels".

They ware those hats thinking it will protect them from the bad angels. Boy will they have a hard awakening in the "hour of temptation".

I am planting seeds of truth today. God will make them grow even in the "hour of temptation" will many awaken from the grand deceptions.

Yes, those Kenites, direct bloodline of Satan rule each and everyone of us. Even many "rich" men that are not Kenites, they rule them too.

What is happening right now to the world was prophesied in the Word. ( Get you Strong's Exhaustive concordance out) and (rob from widows, and steal everything, and they take your children and sell them too as sex slaves and or slaves that do their bidding.)
All of those words will lead you to that scripture. I do not post every scripture. I do not teach that way. Because if your hungry enough, and want the "hidden manna" you will have to dig it out for yourselves. I will just point the way.
That way it takes me out of your learning and puts you one on one in Gods Word without me being the go between guy. lol

I don't work like many pastors do. You must go through them first before you can learn the Word.

I say, don't put me between you and God. He has your "number" (figure of speech) and if He wants to talk with you, He will call ya.... You can count on that.


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Now about the Kenites...

The Kenites are the direct seed of Satan by the way of Cain.

If you want to really see them as they are, you will then see them as they walk the earth, those nasty tares.

All anyone has to do to verify what I have said is get a STrong's Exhaustive Concordance and look up the name Kenite.

Now you will see that many will try and call them "Canaanites" Buzer going off. Nope, huge mistake.

Who is the grandfather of Canaanites? How did become about?

The Cannanites always mixed with the fallen angels, that is why I lead everyone to 1 Chron. 2:55. Type those names down, and then re-read your bible knowing they are Gods enemies.


Then the bible makes more sense to you by having that knowledge.

After all the "parable of the fig tree" is quite deep. (Mark 13:28.)

See in Israel right now are those "good figs" and the Nasty "bad figs"; So bad they cannot be eaten. (Ding ding ding, this word "eaten" should make some of you think about that word in the book of Gen., Adam and Eve,, tree of knowledge of good and evil. Yes Satan was good at one time, and then went evil.
So you see the word "eaten" here means something other than food to eat. Where is the good figs and the bad figs written about? Jeremiah chapter 24.3.

Now here is the truth.
Yes, the good jewish people are in Israel and along with them came the very naughty bad "FAKE jewish people" who are really Kenites.

They call themselves jewish people children of God, but are fakes, liars, thief's of souls, and they back all wars on earth.
The Kenites has always in the bible been around the "booty" the bounty, the riches of any war in the bible. They have always been there.
Now some people have come against me and have said' The Kenites are the good guys, see because of Moses' father in law is a Kenite."
No, Moses's father in law is NOT a Kenite. He is a Levite character, not a Kenite character. He lived in the land of the Kenites, but bloodlines as a Kenite is not true.


Christ spoke of them in Matthew 23, those scribes. They took over the temple and killed even the priest and Christ even tells us that. Yet , most bible thumpers don't get that part of Christ teachings.

They are told to say ' Well that is just the devils seedline info which is false," because some pastor told them so. They have never verified it for themselves.

Gods Word was here in the first earth age. And when I see the Sumarian text being claimed as the first ancient text written I laugh at it. Why? Because they have not learned the whole truth.
We all lived in our spiritual bodies on earth in the first earth age. Many things were written then and we all spoke the same ancient language.
By the way, in Heaven, everyone speaks the same language. And guess what, English is not that language. Do a study on "angels language" and you might find the truth. lol

blessings to all
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Now about the Kenites...
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Were you going to make all of your ideas your own separate thread? hf
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I would just like to say I'm a Christian, and I'm proud of us killing Jesus (our GOD, and the son of GOD), I drink his blood and eat his flesh because I believe this will take me to Heaven where YAHWEH resides, and I will kill him too and eat his old carcass and drink his blood. This will in turn make me GOD.
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The Bible does say that people will read but not understand.
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...Reading it then, and reading it now didn't change a whole lot.

Its not so much not understanding for me-like i said i have always been a spiritual person- i just let go...

... have a degree and

...i'm an intelligent person.

...I have a good head on my shoulders

...I have always made very reasonable choices..


 Quoting: Aiyanna



Hello again OP.

Hope you don't mind the edit above^^.

It was done to point out that 'understanding' is much less elusive to a whole group of people without degrees and without the ability to read or write...


Matthew 11:25
I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.










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I am so sorry it took me so wrong to reply, i have been extremely busy with family commitments, so every time i have logged on i only get to reply to one or two and get side- swiped with another duty hf
Now, about your edit's. You have edited the fact that i claimed to be spiritual..which was importand. When i was a christian my spiritualness is what keep my faith locked into my heart..the very foundation of my faith in god. You have edited it to a way to claim i am saying that me having a degree and have made smart intelligent descisions has anything to do with the fact i don't "understand" or have the capabilities to understand the depths of faith. Which is not true. What my point was is the fact that i have lead an intelligent, respectful life has given my the courage to TRUST my decision in questioning the understanding i have for the info i have managed to retain reguarding my faith as a whole.. Make sense?
Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.

Chief Seattle, 1854

When all the trees have been cut down,
when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

Cree Prophecy

"Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne

You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers.
So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin.
Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother.
Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth.
If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~
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I would just like to say I'm a Christian, and I'm proud of us killing Jesus (our GOD, and the son of GOD), I drink his blood and eat his flesh because I believe this will take me to Heaven where YAHWEH resides, and I will kill him too and eat his old carcass and drink his blood. This will in turn make me GOD.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3418255


rofl I see you have a very good unstanding of mainstream religions today ! congrats! popcorn
Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.

Chief Seattle, 1854

When all the trees have been cut down,
when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

Cree Prophecy

"Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne

You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers.
So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin.
Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother.
Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth.
If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~
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I hope I don't forget to take the barbecue sauce, because after I kill the Holy Ghost I'm not sure what ghost flesh taste like....might need barbeque.
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Poor retards .
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The Bible does say that people will read but not understand.
 Quoting: Fidokrab


...Reading it then, and reading it now didn't change a whole lot.

Its not so much not understanding for me-like i said i have always been a spiritual person- i just let go...

... have a degree and

...i'm an intelligent person.

...I have a good head on my shoulders

...I have always made very reasonable choices..


 Quoting: Aiyanna



Hello again OP.

Hope you don't mind the edit above^^.

It was done to point out that 'understanding' is much less elusive to a whole group of people without degrees and without the ability to read or write...


Matthew 11:25
I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.








 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


.. my point was is the fact that i have lead an intelligent, respectful life has given my the courage to TRUST my decision in questioning the understanding i have for the info i have managed to retain reguarding my faith as a whole...
 Quoting: Aiyanna



Your point is pretty clear.

The counter point is that even our president thinks that he has led an intelligent, respectful life.

Therefore, he also 'trusts his decision in questioning the understanding he has for the info he has managed to retain regarding his faith as a whole'


Kids don't have that problem.




@)
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It's easy for one to jump on the bandwagon and say the Bible is this, or the Bible is that. But as for understanding what the Gospel is, and how the OT correlates to the NT and vice versa, the different kinds of prophecies, and who exactly Jesus is and so on... it takes a bit of homework.

The Bible does say that people will read but not understand. This doesn't say that I'm somehow superior than you are, or you're dumb or anything like that. What it says is that when people are ready they will see. Those with hardened hearts don't want to understand.




"Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand."
(Daniel 12:10)
 Quoting: Fidokrab


Well thanks for you input !hf (Even though half of them were asinine)

One thing you probably don't know about me is i used to be a Hardcore cristian..yes me...lol. But Reading it then, and reading it now didn't change a whole lot. Its not so much not understanding for me-like i said i have always been a spiritual person- i just let go of religion. And yes i have a degree and i'm an intelligent person. So in my none-spiritual portions of life I have a good head on my shoulders I have always made very reasonable choices..Thats why i am comfortable enough to say I think someone messed with the word of god. Sorry. Just my opinion.
 Quoting: Aiyanna



After you truly repented and gave your life to Christ (which I'm assuming you did in the past), I'm guessing you became drunk in the simplicity of Christ over time, and was eventually lead astray from the faith. This leads to believing lies and false doctrines, which will hardened your heart even more. If I'm wrong, correct me.

And why are you bringing up religion? There's nothing religious about the Gospel, and you know that since you're a former Christian as you claim. One is saved by grace (through faith) by the righteousness of God, not of works. Works is religious, and every major religion teaches that you must participate in works to be saved/ascended/etc. Even new age teachings require one to meditate, avoid negative energy, and expand consciousness, etc; these are all works. And works are religious. So don't tell me you let go of religion, but yet you're participating in new age. You're just a religious as a Catholic or a Hindu.

Sitchen's psueo-science is ridiculous, and the garbage you buy into has no solid evidence. It's a bunch of stupid theories made for potheads.

The Gospel requires you to believe (to be saved) and to obey God's commandments (to be fruitful), which aren't burdensome as Jesus said. Why are you going out of your way to attempt to discredit the Bible? My guess is that you're enjoying a sinful life and don't want to give it up.
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Ok first off, YOU are making to many assumptions to be taken seriously for me. Others might approve of the finger pointing assumptions but I do not. Social skills are very important when trying to get your point across. Guessing will get you no where and we both know that. So lets start fresh and quite assuming that you know me or that i know you because that is quite opposite of the truth.
Now lets move on to some of these assumptions you are pointing out.
I am in no way religious. I am not new age, old age, future age, past age or anything age. Yes i have tried meditation- does that make me new age? If so i guess i'm christian now to because i have prayed in the past.
I also do yoga. What does yoga make me believe? Last i checked it was good for my body. The same as meditation is. I meditate to strenghten my mind and clear out my stress of daily life un-advoidables.
If you don't know much about meditation i understand how you would directly associate it with new-age. But not everyone is "new age" just because the meditate, just like just because you pray doesn't make you christian
. Like i have said already i believe in a creator or "the" creator..I just choose not to display that in a church because of my personal differences.
Nothing against church or any one who goes..i just have chose not to.
Now on to "my sinning" life. I challenge you to name one thing that do that qualifys me to be a deliberate "sinner' that doesn't want to give up my "sinning". Can you give me an example of what sins i cannot give up please?
I'm pretty sure everyone sins and that i in no way "try" to sin or "live" a sinning lifestyle that i cannot "give Up". That is a direct assumption on my lifestyle and personal persona and is quite childish to point out like you know me. I really hope you don't consider your self to be a christian because "judging" is is not needed here.
Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.

Chief Seattle, 1854

When all the trees have been cut down,
when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

Cree Prophecy

"Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne

You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers.
So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin.
Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother.
Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth.
If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~
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...Reading it then, and reading it now didn't change a whole lot.

Its not so much not understanding for me-like i said i have always been a spiritual person- i just let go...

... have a degree and

...i'm an intelligent person.

...I have a good head on my shoulders

...I have always made very reasonable choices..


 Quoting: Aiyanna



Hello again OP.

Hope you don't mind the edit above^^.

It was done to point out that 'understanding' is much less elusive to a whole group of people without degrees and without the ability to read or write...


Matthew 11:25
I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.








 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


.. my point was is the fact that i have lead an intelligent, respectful life has given my the courage to TRUST my decision in questioning the understanding i have for the info i have managed to retain reguarding my faith as a whole...
 Quoting: Aiyanna



Your point is pretty clear.

The counter point is that even our president thinks that he has led an intelligent, respectful life.

Therefore, he also 'trusts his decision in questioning the understanding he has for the info he has managed to retain regarding his faith as a whole'


Kids don't have that problem.




@)
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


If i don't have faith in myself to make accurate decisions on my own personal beliefs..What good will my faith in God be...deception is not answer that i can live with. hf
Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.

Chief Seattle, 1854

When all the trees have been cut down,
when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

Cree Prophecy

"Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne

You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers.
So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin.
Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother.
Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth.
If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~
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Welcome back, OP!

You can see from some of the posts above the type of stuff I have to deal with day in and day out as one who tries to communicate the beauty of my faith to others. 99% of my efforts seem to be in clearing away the crap that has been propagated about as truth.

Hope things are well with you (per your early comment on family commitments) hf
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I hope I don't forget to take the barbecue sauce, because after I kill the Holy Ghost I'm not sure what ghost flesh taste like....might need barbeque.
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cruise



here ask this guy- he knows things we do not-pope2
Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.

Chief Seattle, 1854

When all the trees have been cut down,
when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

Cree Prophecy

"Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne

You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers.
So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin.
Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother.
Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth.
If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~
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Hello again OP.

Hope you don't mind the edit above^^.

It was done to point out that 'understanding' is much less elusive to a whole group of people without degrees and without the ability to read or write...


Matthew 11:25
I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.








 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


.. my point was is the fact that i have lead an intelligent, respectful life has given my the courage to TRUST my decision in questioning the understanding i have for the info i have managed to retain reguarding my faith as a whole...
 Quoting: Aiyanna



Your point is pretty clear.

The counter point is that even our president thinks that he has led an intelligent, respectful life.

Therefore, he also 'trusts his decision in questioning the understanding he has for the info he has managed to retain regarding his faith as a whole'


Kids don't have that problem.




 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


If i don't have faith in myself to make accurate decisions on my own personal beliefs..What good will my faith in God be...deception is not answer that i can live with. hf
 Quoting: Aiyanna



As stated- your point is clear.

Thanks for the opportunity to peacefully share a dissenting opinion.

And thanks for the flower.





:)
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Welcome back, OP!

You can see from some of the posts above the type of stuff I have to deal with day in and day out as one who tries to communicate the beauty of my faith to others. 99% of my efforts seem to be in clearing away the crap that has been propagated about as truth.

Hope things are well with you (per your early comment on family commitments) hf
 Quoting: Life and Love


Well thank you, its good to be back hf I am working on reading all of the stuff i've missed! lots of posts! should be fun!tantrum
Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.

Chief Seattle, 1854

When all the trees have been cut down,
when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

Cree Prophecy

"Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne

You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers.
So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin.
Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother.
Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth.
If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~
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.. my point was is the fact that i have lead an intelligent, respectful life has given my the courage to TRUST my decision in questioning the understanding i have for the info i have managed to retain reguarding my faith as a whole...
 Quoting: Aiyanna



Your point is pretty clear.

The counter point is that even our president thinks that he has led an intelligent, respectful life.

Therefore, he also 'trusts his decision in questioning the understanding he has for the info he has managed to retain regarding his faith as a whole'


Kids don't have that problem.




 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


If i don't have faith in myself to make accurate decisions on my own personal beliefs..What good will my faith in God be...deception is not answer that i can live with. hf
 Quoting: Aiyanna



As stated- your point is clear.

Thanks for the opportunity to peacefully share a dissenting opinion.

And thanks for the flower.





:)
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


Your welcome DSS..cheers
Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.

Chief Seattle, 1854

When all the trees have been cut down,
when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

Cree Prophecy

"Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne

You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers.
So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin.
Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother.
Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth.
If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~
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Hey AJK,

Why not?

Just because someone knows the choice you will make, does not necessarily mean that you didn't still have the choice.


 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


Since that person already knew your choice, is it any longer yours or that of the person that decided or knew what choice you would make?
 Quoting: Ohwell




Just because it was predictable that you might try to answer on behalf of AJK, was it not still your choice?



.)
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


Hey waittttt! Where did my prediction to answer on behalf of AJK come into this picture? Where was that written? I never proposed anything being set in stone, your book, which you believe so much in does and for me it's not a settled story.

Answer the question and stop applying your twisted logic. If you believe so much that the bible predicted things and in fact the end is set in stone (although I just see the book as a plan by some bunch of people which wont succeed), then how could there be freewill in an already decided case as the book and your religion presents?
 Quoting: Ohwell


^ it just makes sense...bump
Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.

Chief Seattle, 1854

When all the trees have been cut down,
when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

Cree Prophecy

"Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne

You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers.
So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin.
Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother.
Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth.
If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~

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