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BREAKING!!!!!!!!-----The Sirius Star system, Ancient Egypt, the Dogon , and Quantum Physics….

 
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Detailed searches of the Sirius system have ruled out the existence of any Sirius C star there down to sub-brown dwarf mass.
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It's quite a ridiculous claim to then say that Sirius C is plausible simply because a tribe in Africa says it exists, particularly when it appears to me that the Dogon do not actually believe in what Griaule claimed they believe in...
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 Quoting: Astromut


Really? I think it is VERY plausible. I believe them. You have a right to believe whatever you want to believe. I BELIEVE that just because Sirius C has not been discovered, DOES NOT MEAN IT DOES NOT EXIST.
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It could very well exist,honestly we know very little.
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Sirius C could very well exist beyond our time and space continuum. It could have "cleared" and now is no longer on a 3-D paradigm. We believe all reality exists in sequential time and everything is ultimately first through third dimension. The illusion of our reality and physicality exists only on these planes. I've been saying to deaf ears for a long time our nemesis will return and could very well be out there now. Ask astro if his telescope can view dimensional crossover . If we are to evolve why wouldn't the planet to spark that movement be of higher dimension
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Sirius has a proper motion of 1.2 arcseconds/year in declination and .546 arcseconds per year in right ascension (15 km/sec and 6.8 km/sec velocity relative to our solar system respectively). Since we're about 8.6 light years from the Sirius system, and since Sirius A and B have a combined mass of nearly 3 times the sun's mass, the escape velocity from the Sirius system at the distance of our sun is about 0.1 km/sec. In other words, our solar system is traveling many times too fast relative to Sirius to be able to orbit it or be in a trinary configuration with it.


very well said!Astromut!
 Quoting: Trample


We once thought there was no Sirius B--simply because it didn't seem plausible due to the data we "adopted" prior to the speculation as to whether it existed.

The Dogon, however, knew it was there for hundreds if not thousands of years before we were able to view it through a special telescope.

I wouldn't put too much faith in people who claim what is and is not possible, and then beat you to death with data that is only acceptable within the present established scientific entrenchment.

Some people, so busy "knowing"----fail to ever ask anything new, or accept the idea that they may be wrong.
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Fake? Not in the sense that someone maliciously added it, no, but that's not what the raw image or film plate looks like either (you have to keep in mind, these were scanned off film plates, they're not originally digital images), and it's definitely not what the actual sky looks like.
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Google didn't block anything out, they're simply incompetent at astronomy. They could have used a film plate that did not have Sirius masked, but they didn't know or care to do that. The red film plate they used has sirius masked to reveal fainter stars near sirius that would otherwise be lost in the glare. They could have chosen to use a red film plate that had Sirius with all of its glare, but they didn't.

This is why no serious researcher uses google sky to access sky survey data. It's second hand, it's compressed, it's lower bit depth than the fits files from the scans, and you have no control over which film plate they show you.
 Quoting: Astromut


Google incompetent? They cropped it out, with scissors. I would say that is beyond the scope of competency, more like trying to hide something.
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Looks "cut out" to me as well.
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It's absolutely bizarre. I'm not really into Sirius/the Dogons etc, but I do have to wonder why Google would do such a bizarre thing. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't gone there and saw it with my own two shining eyes. It's one of the weirdest things I've seen, unless someone at Google is just playing a joke on the world. Maybe someone spilled coffee on it.
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I wonder if there are any other stars whose center is cut out in such fashion on Google.

I mean, Astromutt makes it sound like this is a common occurrence, something that happens frequently. Well, how common is it?
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I wonder if there are any other stars whose center is cut out in such fashion on Google.

I mean, Astromutt makes it sound like this is a common occurrence, something that happens frequently. Well, how common is it?
 Quoting: SecondPrecession


When I suddenly started on this quest the image I provided above intrigued me. I went to a few other sky viewing software whom used actual images. In those as well Sirius A was removed. There was one that looked like someone had spray-painted a paper plate and stuck it over the image. It WAS bizarre. There is the "black box" on virgo as well:

Leovirgo


bottom left corner.

And this!

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Astromut, are the ripples (this picture) fake? Honest question.
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Fake? Not in the sense that someone maliciously added it, no, but that's not what the raw image or film plate looks like either (you have to keep in mind, these were scanned off film plates, they're not originally digital images), and it's definitely not what the actual sky looks like.
Also, do you know why Google blocked it out?
 Quoting: ss

Google didn't block anything out, they're simply incompetent at astronomy. They could have used a film plate that did not have Sirius masked, but they didn't know or care to do that. The red film plate they used has sirius masked to reveal fainter stars near sirius that would otherwise be lost in the glare. They could have chosen to use a red film plate that had Sirius with all of its glare, but they didn't.

This is why no serious researcher uses google sky to access sky survey data. It's second hand, it's compressed, it's lower bit depth than the fits files from the scans, and you have no control over which film plate they show you.
 Quoting: Astromut


What then do you think is the purpose of google sky? I saw your cut and paste answer but am still wondering, why would google cut the picture of Sirius out with scissors. It is truly interesting. Can you fathom what would prompt them to? I mean it is a part of our universe, why cut it out?
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What then do you think is the purpose of google sky? I saw your cut and paste answer but am still wondering, why would google cut the picture of Sirius out with scissors. It is truly interesting. Can you fathom what would prompt them to? I mean it is a part of our universe, why cut it out?
 Quoting: THE Anonymous Coward!


To hide something.

Use your intuition. That is who is asking you to see, look, and investigate.

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Re: BREAKING!!!!!!!!-----The Sirius Star system, Ancient Egypt, the Dogon , and Quantum Physics….
whats so important about Sirius? i'd have thought its much simpler than all that stuff, its the brightest star in the night sky. sorry if such a prosaic observation renders all that time researching and typing a bit redundant.

heres the question to prove/disprove the binary theory: what is the orbital period of this binary star system? to be in a binary system, we must be moving relative to the partner star around some other point - look at the second picture in the OP. Sirius must move in sky. but its fixed? so does this refute the theory? or are we in a system with so long an orbital period that we cannot (over hundreds, thousands of years of observations) see the change of position? so how do we know we are in a binary system?

theory fails.
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Study the diagram of two stars in a binary. If your IQ is up to it, you will notice that the two objects oppose each other continuously. So while they may be moving great distances, it will appear as if they are not moving at all in respect to one another. Instead it is the background stars that are will appear to be moving over long periods of time.

This also explains how the Sirius star has been observed as once being red, instead of the blue it appears today. This phenomena is due to redshift - where long ago it was observed moving away it is now observed moving closer in its binary path.

Good find OP. Ive seen that guys vids and hes quite clever.
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This thread is F***ing awsome. THanks!!
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Astromut, are the ripples (this picture) fake? Honest question.
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Fake? Not in the sense that someone maliciously added it, no, but that's not what the raw image or film plate looks like either (you have to keep in mind, these were scanned off film plates, they're not originally digital images), and it's definitely not what the actual sky looks like.
Also, do you know why Google blocked it out?
 Quoting: ss

Google didn't block anything out, they're simply incompetent at astronomy. They could have used a film plate that did not have Sirius masked, but they didn't know or care to do that. The red film plate they used has sirius masked to reveal fainter stars near sirius that would otherwise be lost in the glare. They could have chosen to use a red film plate that had Sirius with all of its glare, but they didn't.

This is why no serious researcher uses google sky to access sky survey data. It's second hand, it's compressed, it's lower bit depth than the fits files from the scans, and you have no control over which film plate they show you.
 Quoting: Astromut


What then do you think is the purpose of google sky? I saw your cut and paste answer but am still wondering, why would google cut the picture of Sirius out with scissors. It is truly interesting. Can you fathom what would prompt them to? I mean it is a part of our universe, why cut it out?
 Quoting: THE Anonymous Coward!


Notice also that the coronal area around Sirius has not been changed. So, they cut out the CENTER, to somehow create more contrast for the stars in the outer corona area?

How does that make sense? Here is how Astro would explain it--------- lala ----------!
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What then do you think is the purpose of google sky? I saw your cut and paste answer but am still wondering, why would google cut the picture of Sirius out with scissors. It is truly interesting. Can you fathom what would prompt them to? I mean it is a part of our universe, why cut it out?
 Quoting: THE Anonymous Coward!


To hide something.

Use your intuition. That is who is asking you to see, look, and investigate.
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I get that. I wanted to know what the purpose for google sky is since, according to astromut, no serious astronomer would even consider looking at it or using it in any form. Me, personally, think something is up. Just want to know why.
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What then do you think is the purpose of google sky? I saw your cut and paste answer but am still wondering, why would google cut the picture of Sirius out with scissors. It is truly interesting. Can you fathom what would prompt them to? I mean it is a part of our universe, why cut it out?
 Quoting: THE Anonymous Coward!


To hide something.

Use your intuition. That is who is asking you to see, look, and investigate.
 Quoting: Seer777


I get that. I wanted to know what the purpose for google sky is since, according to astromut, no serious astronomer would even consider looking at it or using it in any form. Me, personally, think something is up. Just want to know why.
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And where are the other stars in Google sky that have gotten this same treatment?

Surely there will be some done in the same fashion.

And even if there are, it changes nothing about the ancients' fixation with Sirius, nor the Dogon knowledge regarding Sirius system.

And I do not think they got this knowledge from aliens.
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Where or how could the dogons have found this knowledge without aliens?
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8 light years away no chance our suns binary twin all the way there. Stay within the galaxy at least...
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Considering that it is the 5th closest star to the earth, I think it would be safe to say that it is indeed within our own galaxy.
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Where or how could the dogons have found this knowledge without aliens?
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Unless they themselves were aliens.
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8 light years away no chance our suns binary twin all the way there. Stay within the galaxy at least...
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Considering that it is the 5th closest star to the earth, I think it would be safe to say that it is indeed within our own galaxy.
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This is also my thread on Sirius (before being banned) for those who are interested in this discussion.


Thread: BREAKING!!!----Why is Sirius blocked from Google Sky? Because----OUR SUN IS IN A BINARY WITH SIRIUS!
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This ia amazing! thanx so much!
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Really? I think it is VERY plausible. I believe them. You have a right to believe whatever you want to believe. I BELIEVE that just because Sirius C has not been discovered, DOES NOT MEAN IT DOES NOT EXIST.
 Quoting: Seer777


It could very well exist,honestly we know very little.
 Quoting: shadasonic


Sirius C could very well exist beyond our time and space continuum. It could have "cleared" and now is no longer on a 3-D paradigm. We believe all reality exists in sequential time and everything is ultimately first through third dimension. The illusion of our reality and physicality exists only on these planes. I've been saying to deaf ears for a long time our nemesis will return and could very well be out there now. Ask astro if his telescope can view dimensional crossover . If we are to evolve why wouldn't the planet to spark that movement be of higher dimension
 Quoting: shadasonic


hf
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Science evolves also.Newtons great works were revised by Le Verriers gravitational pull calculations. Einsteins theory of relativity provided corrections to Le Verriers work, and ideas about particle physics grew beyond old Alberts work. We are infants in quantum theory along with any works involving dark energy
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Where or how could the dogons have found this knowledge without aliens?
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I promise to answer this question throughout the course of this thread. I am making an outline so I don't get too scattered, as there is quite a bit to uncover---masonic ties, other astronomical identifications used by the ancients, such as at Gobleki tepe, the neutron star of the Dogon Sirius calendar system, and the big 50--The 50 Gates of Binah, 50 skulls of Kali, 50 oarsmen of the boat of Osiris, 50 argonauts, and 50 matrices.

It's one thing to research and take it all in connecting the dots, but it's another thing entirely to organize the information and relay it in a meaningful way.

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Awesome thread!! This is why i come to GLP and sort through the crap, because every once in awhile, a jewel shows up like this thread. Thank you! I am looking forward to reading more.
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Sirius has a proper motion of 1.2 arcseconds/year in declination and .546 arcseconds per year in right ascension (15 km/sec and 6.8 km/sec velocity relative to our solar system respectively). Since we're about 8.6 light years from the Sirius system, and since Sirius A and B have a combined mass of nearly 3 times the sun's mass, the escape velocity from the Sirius system at the distance of our sun is about 0.1 km/sec. In other words, our solar system is traveling many times too fast relative to Sirius to be able to orbit it or be in a trinary configuration with it.


very well said!Astromut!
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We once thought there was no Sirius B--simply because it didn't seem plausible due to the data we "adopted" prior to the speculation as to whether it existed.
 Quoting: SecondPrecession

Actually the existence of Sirius B was predicted by Friedrich Bessel due to changes in A's proper motion long before B was even detected.
The Dogon, however, knew it was there for hundreds if not thousands of years before we were able to view it through a special telescope.
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I disagree. It doesn't seem they actually knew it all, in fact.
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Sirius C could very well exist beyond our time and space continuum. It could have "cleared" and now is no longer on a 3-D paradigm.
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Word salad. Sounds like you've been watching too many syfy channel movies.
Ask astro if his telescope can view dimensional crossover .
 Quoting: shadasonic

Sure! As long as my flux capacitor is properly tuned to the tachyon emissions from the tensor field of the transdimensional rift!
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Sirius C could very well exist beyond our time and space continuum. It could have "cleared" and now is no longer on a 3-D paradigm.
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Word salad. Sounds like you've been watching too many syfy channel movies.
Ask astro if his telescope can view dimensional crossover .
 Quoting: shadasonic

Sure! As long as my flux capacitor is properly tuned to the tachyon emissions from the tensor field of the transdimensional rift!
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You don't believe in a higher dimension
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What then do you think is the purpose of google sky?
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Attract hits for google. Seriously, no serious researcher uses it in that manner. It's just simple webware for lay people. You want me to be even more frank? Whenever someone like me sees someone else start off with "I saw this thing on google sky" it immediately sends up a huge red flag that the person's probably nearly clueless about astronomy. A real researcher would give you a plate ID and plate region of what they found, which is not something you'd get from looking on "google sky."
I saw your cut and paste answer but am still wondering, why would google cut the picture of Sirius out with scissors.
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Cart before the horse. I already explained why Sirius was masked, scissors don't factor into it at all, google didn't do it, this is a plate from a pre-existing sky survey that was recorded decades before google sky came into being. You can get unmasked plates just fine. Google didn't do that because they're not all that proficient at astronomy.

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Notice also that the coronal area around Sirius has not been changed. So, they cut out the CENTER, to somehow create more contrast for the stars in the outer corona area?

How does that make sense? Here is how Astro would explain it--------- lala ----------!
 Quoting: SecondPrecession


Which picture shows the most stars closer in towards Sirius?
Number 1?
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Or Number 2?
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Sirius C could very well exist beyond our time and space continuum. It could have "cleared" and now is no longer on a 3-D paradigm.
 Quoting: shadasonic

Word salad. Sounds like you've been watching too many syfy channel movies.
Ask astro if his telescope can view dimensional crossover .
 Quoting: shadasonic

Sure! As long as my flux capacitor is properly tuned to the tachyon emissions from the tensor field of the transdimensional rift!
 Quoting: Astromut


You don't believe in a higher dimension
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You provide a much needed scientific viewpoint, and GLP wouldn't be the same without it. There are other schools of thought, and one of those involves evolution of the soul and a return to source. There are higher dimensions that our soul energy seeks. Planets are no different in my belief system, and I am not wanting to argue spirituality. I think one day your eyes will be open to something so incredible that even you won't have an explanation for. Flux capacitor, really you should be astro the comedian.
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I am just about to read the first page. This may be the thread i have neen waiting for. Seven pages in less than 24 hours? Hmm......


I actually live in St.Louis and I can hear my neighbors listening to the World Series but I'd much rather read this thread.
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I am just about to read the first page. This may be the thread i have neen waiting for. Seven pages in less than 24 hours? Hmm......


I actually live in St.Louis and I can hear my neighbors listening to the World Series but I'd much rather read this thread.
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I'm doing both, go cards!
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A fixed star system? How important is that? I've never heard that term before. I've been learning about astronomy little by little for maybe four years now so I don't know much. It's really hard for me to comprehend how the earth moves on it's axis along with the rotation of the sum moon & the rest of the planets. A fixed star system seems easy enough to understand.