BREAKING!!!!!!!!-----The Sirius Star system, Ancient Egypt, the Dogon , and Quantum Physics….

Have you resorted to denying context?

When I say "your", I am referring to Western astronomy (yourself included).

I read the article, it is not a paper, though it cites pieces (out of context) of other articles and a few pertinent papers. Had you read THOSE papers instead of just reading the article on the blog, you may have known that the Dogon do possess knowledge of Sirius B that even other scientists have cited in their papers.

But you'd rather point out a blog that cherrypicks it's research to suit religious validation.

There is simply no denying that the Dogon symbolism depicts knowlege of astronomy as well as quantum physics. The above, and the below.

To say nothing of what they knew about the circulatory system of the human body--long before Western biologists even discovered it!

Our human ancestors knew a lot more than current astronomers (Astromutt) and scientists of all disciplines give them credit for. In some isolated tribes of current humanity, this ancient information is still preserved. We would do good not to idly dismiss it.

You've been very patient with Astrorut OP, but he is convinced that he knows absolutely everything there is to know. He has set out on a mission to post scientific facts on conspiracy forums throughout the land - you should feel blessed just to be in his presence.

One might wonder where he finds all the time and motivation to undertake such a flight of fancy. Oh I forgot... that's not for me to question.

Anyway, this is a kick ass thread and obviously many here agree. This is one of those threads that either gets one star or five, according to ones perspective. You got five from me.

I fully understood what you meant. You still do not understand the statement you're responding to as indicated by what you just said.

Scientists like myself tend to refer to peer-reviewed journal articles as "papers." This is a peer reviewed paper published in Current Anthropology Volume 32, Number 2, April 1991 titled "Dogon Restudied A Field Evaluation of the Work of Marcel Griaule."

You are a liar. Read the link instead of talking out of your rear. I've posted links to more than just blogs. Bitch all you want about the blogs with your "blabber," I really don't care, but you just outted yourself as a liar:
"Dogon Restudied A Field Evaluation of the Work of Marcel Griaule" Current Anthropology Volume 32, Number 2, April 1991
[link to www.michaelsheiser.com]

I love you for posting this most excellent thread

Why is it, that when a thread about the unknown is started, everyone beats up on the logical explanations, preferring to maintain the suspension of disbelief and instead prefer to read about wild claims that fish came and taught a small insignificant tribe thousands of years ago about the birds and the bees?

OP stated that we all come form the sea, but do we? Is there indelible proof of this fact, when people claim that we were genetically manipulated by other space farers? or that evolution doesn't make sense as the missing has never been found?

It is hard to sift through the BS to get to the truth about our beginnings and our existence, and claiming that there is a second sun coming round the mountain for a location which may or may not even have any relevance to humanity is too difficult to accept especially when based upon a tribe that might have just invented the story or had it passed down form a great story teller.

Is there no faith in Humans that many years ago, there might have been other ways to measure the stars and the earth?

Maybe the Moomins or whatever the dogons claimed they saw was actually based on a primitive oral tradition story of the beginning of humanity, not too dissimilar to evolution theory?

Have you made your decision yet?

I have. I choose to stay with my original DNA until my death. I believe it is a trap. You are being tempted. Sound familiar?

Do you really trust that ancient high tech as salvation?

Mouse to cheese you may be.

Curious to see if I can reply now.

Nice.

So will we now simply exchanged peer-reviewed articles? Or would you rather to continue and assassinate my character by calling me a liar? That's not science, it makes you look weak.

Benest, D., & Duvent, stalker (1995) "Is Sirius a triple star?". Astronomy and Astrophysics 299: 621-628

Speaking of science, the paper you cited is a field evalution of a dead mans work and was done FIFTY years later on a remote African tribe of Dogon whose average life expectancy is 70 years or less. What kind of science is that?

The same as the science of defamation of character--political science.

The Dogon do not speak of a second sun. They claim their ancestors are fish people from Sirius, where all things originated, even the universe. They claim the earth and all planetary bodies are a result of this explosion.

As to fish people, who is to say we did not evolve from the ocean?

No, not as salvation. But as something that may have once been common knowledge to humanity.

Not my problem nor my fault if you can't.

I simply stated fact. You lied, that's a fact. You said, and I quote:

You are a liar, you did not read the paper before making that statement.

"PIERCING THE GLARE: A DIRECT IMAGING SEARCH FOR PLANETS IN THE SIRIUS SYSTEM"

"Astrometric monitoring of the Sirius binary system over the past century has yielded several predictions for an unseen third system component, the most recent one suggesting a <50MJup object in a 6.3 year orbit around Sirius A [your paper] ... These data surpass previous observations by an order of magnitude in detectable companion mass, allowing us to probe the relevant separation range down to the planetary-mass regime (6–12MJup at 1", 2–4 MJup at 2", and 1.6 MJup beyond 4"). We complement these data with one epoch of M-band observations from MMT/AO Clio, which reach comparable performance. No data set reveals any companion candidates above the 5sigma; level, allowing us to refute the existence of Sirius C as suggested by the previous astrometric analysis."

[link to www.strw.leidenuniv.nl]



LMFAO! So, their special "knowledge" of Sirius that they had for thousands of years just magically and suddenly completely vanished in 50 years? BS. It never existed in the first place.

"The point is that Griaule himself was very much aware of the astronomical specificities of Sirius, having read astronomy during his studies in Paris. Sure enough, his references in the RP to the Sirius system all date from these years. Just as he linked Ogotemmeli with the zodi- acal signs, so it was Griaule himself, driven by his own convictions, who transformed po tolo and sigu tolo into a mystery, linking the astronomical data he helped to produce with current astronomical knowledge. In that light it is interesting to see the way in which the remain- der of the Griaule circle of informants interpreted these stars after his death. Though they do speak about sigu tolo [the word Griaule misinterpreted as Sirius], they disagree completely with each other as to which star is meant; for some it is an invisible star that should rise to announce the sigu, for another it is Venus that through a different position appears as sigu tolo. All agree, however, that they learned about the star from Griaule."
[link to www.michaelsheiser.com]

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Language is a barrier that does not make me a liar. I read the article from the blog, you can deny it all you like, it doesn't change anything for either of us.

And again, what kind of foolish science is it to do a field evaluation of a dead mans work regarding an isolated African tribe more than FIFTY years later. The tribe members Graiule spoke to may or may not have been alive fifty years later, considering he talked to elders and not to children. Essentially, the field evaluation went back to the same tribe FIFTY years later to poke holes in Grauiles research, making claims that the Dogon only learned about Sirius from Grauile. Parse it any way you like, but an evaluation over FIFTY years later is poor, poor science whose purpose is only to call to question the integrity of a dead mans work.

By the way, thank you for bumping my thread.

I noticed you've yet to attempt to discredit any other scientists work on the Dogon and their knowledge of Sirius--only Grauile using this one paper. Got anything else?

Language barrier? LMFAO! You said "I read the article, it is not a paper" in reference to this post:
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
You lied.

Nothing foolish about it. You claimed they had this knowledge for thousands of years, it could not have vanished in 50 years had it actually existed in their culture. It didn't, they learned about it from Graiule himself.

The knowledge would not have vanished, plus they told van Beek that Graiule was the one who told them about it, they couldn't identify the star Graiule claimed was Sirius as Sirius!

Not only is that wrong, but you manage to lose even more credibility by claiming they had this knowledge for thousands of years to suddenly completely lose it in 50.

Well if he had integrity then they would have found that the tribe still reported the same things. They don't.

You're welcome, I was tempted to pin it just to showcase the debunking. I decided to save my points for other things though.

This is the root of the nonsense, I just toppled your whole house of cards and you won't even admit to anything. You have no intellectual honesty whatsoever. You won't admit that the physics shows we're not in a binary with Sirius, you won't admit the Dogon don't know anything about Sirius being a binary star, you won't admit that Sirius is not a trinary system, so in case you haven't noticed I'm not trying to convice you personally of anything; I'm trying to showcase how hollow your claims are to those who are at least somewhat rational.

Last Edited by Astromut on 12/22/2011 05:38 PM

You are so busy attacking my character you don't even know which article I was referring to from the blog you posted (which quoted papers and articles of various nature).

Keep going. I think people can easily see what you're attempting to do.

I have nothing to admit to, perhaps you do?

In any case, have fun with it!

This guy looks look he does a little too much methamphetamines.

You responded to my post claiming you read the "article" when the link I had in the post you were responding to and clearly didn't understand was a scientific paper. Yet you claimed you read it. You lied.
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Last Edited by Astromut on 12/22/2011 05:52 PM

Who are you replying to?

Last Edited by Astromut on 12/22/2011 05:53 PM

No, I responded about an article from the blog, which was the link you posted. And that blog also contained quotes from scientific papers.

As much as you'd like to believe it, that does not make me a liar.

You are such a liar. Where does the link under this quote go?

"That Sirius is a double star is unknown; astronomy is of very little importance in reli- gion. Dogon society has no initiatory secrets beyond the complete mastery of publicly known texts."
[link to www.michaelsheiser.com]

To the scientific paper, not an article from a blog.

That's what I posted here:
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Which you responded to here:
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
To which I responded to here saying that you clearly didn't read it:
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
To which you responded to claiming that you did and that it wasn't a scientific paper:
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Last Edited by Astromut on 12/22/2011 07:06 PM

Whyen you originally posted the michaelsheister link I CLICKED AND READ THE ENTIRE ARTICLE. Just like I said I did!

Feature that!

Later on, you linked what looked like the very same thing. I responded that I'd already read the article from the blog.

You call me a liar.


Keep going.

And I told you that you didn't read it and that it was a scientific paper. Furthermore, the quote I posted wasn't contained in the blog that you read, so how could you have possibly thought the link was the same? You just stopped at the domain name and didn't read it, even though you said you did.

Last Edited by Astromut on 12/22/2011 07:30 PM

The link you posted contained a quote from the paper. I read the entire article from the blog you posted, and the quoted material was contained in the article from the blog.

It's easy to see what happened here, but you'd rather call me a liar than to admit to miscommunication.

Just like you'd rather call me paranoid, than admit to giving me bad karma.

And call me a sockpuppet, than to admit I was openly honest.

All because you don't agree with me about Sirius.

Haven't you ever heard of being nice?

I do take that back, the quote I made was in there, only part of it appears when I look at the page on my browser, but that's a computer issue on my end.

Fine, you're so ignorant you thought that because the domain name was the same it must be the same link.

I MADE A SPECIFIC DISCLAIMER ABOUT YOU HAVING OTHER ACCOUNTS, WHAT PART OF THAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

Ha!

Either which way, I am neither paranoid, nor a liar as you claimed me to be.

But hey, you understand binaries better than I do (techinically), so there's always that.

Too bad you cannot question the "data" you hold so dear to your heart for the sake of scientific discovery. You're so wound up in your answers, you postulate questions only to validate them.

I would say you lied by omission by failing to inform me that you had a completely different account when I made my disclaimer, but whatever helps you sleep at night.

I postulated the question, could we be orbiting Sirius. If we were, we'd have to be traveling at less than escape velocity from Sirius, so are we? Pretty simple question, pretty simple answer. I examined the data and found that no, we aren't, not even close. You don't like it, but it's the truth.

Say whatever you like, I don't care what you think of me.

I still think our star system is in a binary with Sirius star system. Whether you agree or not means absolutely nothing to anyone but yourself.

And you're so very full of yourself, you cannot keep repeating yourself, because you love to be "right."

Well, enjoy your righteousness.

Dogon shame it is

errrrrrr

You're wrong. Our solar system is traveling at many times the escape velocity of the Sirius system at our distance from it. I may mean nothing to you, clearly you're not listening to me, but my analysis means a lot to many other people. Whether that includes you or not means nothing to me.

Ad hominem.