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Bow hunting for if the SHTF (input welcome)

 
Daikirai

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Bows are good, nice post OP.
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What (s)he said.
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What kind of bow are you using?

Get a recurve bow. You can restring your bow very easily if something were to happen to it
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I have a Samick "Hawkeye" take down recurve @ 60#'s
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recurves and long bows are deffinately cheaper altogether...and great for when TSHTF for sure...just limits the yardage is all.
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With a bow and arrow you will probably injure 99% of the animals and they will suffer a slow and painful death from infected wounds. Get a good rifle.
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most bowhunters will limit their shots on whitetail to 20 yards or less...I for one have never injured an animal while bowhunting....but there are many newcommers to the sport who will...mostly by taking too long shots...
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A recurve or long bow is best.....ya don't have to worry about all the widgety adjustments as on a compound bow, not much spare parts, and more reliable.....I hunt with a Martin Hatfield TD recurve or a longbow that I made myself....just the bow and 3 arrows when I go hunting.....light and simple.....learn instinctive shooting....none of my bows have sights....learn to shoot from all positions, too many people rely on a rigid range stance....I practice shooting from a squat, kneeling, and the bow is not held vertical....the great thing about stick bows or traditional archery is the amount of practice you can get in.....since there is no widgety adjustments, you adjust your mind and body in practice....a can shoot hundreds of arrows in the time my friend shoots dozens with his compound an mechanical release....instinctive archery also lets you tap into the primitive part of your brain....you pick the aim point and your brain figures the windage and elevation automatically....and when you arrow hits the spot.....its magic.....
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A recurve or long bow is best.....ya don't have to worry about all the widgety adjustments as on a compound bow, not much spare parts, and more reliable.....I hunt with a Martin Hatfield TD recurve or a longbow that I made myself....just the bow and 3 arrows when I go hunting.....light and simple.....learn instinctive shooting....none of my bows have sights....learn to shoot from all positions, too many people rely on a rigid range stance....I practice shooting from a squat, kneeling, and the bow is not held vertical....the great thing about stick bows or traditional archery is the amount of practice you can get in.....since there is no widgety adjustments, you adjust your mind and body in practice....a can shoot hundreds of arrows in the time my friend shoots dozens with his compound an mechanical release....instinctive archery also lets you tap into the primitive part of your brain....you pick the aim point and your brain figures the windage and elevation automatically....and when you arrow hits the spot.....its magic.....
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Yep...I would agree...

and archery is 90% mental....the rest is hand eye co-ordination...

but I still love my Mathews...
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The best explanation of instinctive shooting I have heard, is comparing it to throwing a baseball. Your mind naturally sizes up the distance and you know whento release. I know this takes many years of practice, so for the time being I'm using an old Cobra sight to help me out. I'm also using an elevated rest with a plunger and shooting fingers.

Also, a two bladed broadhead is a great deer hunting broadhead for a recurve. Right now I have some Magnus ones (I think "buzz saws"?) that seem to fly like field points. hf
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Funny you bring it up....

I've got a compound bow that I can pick up at any time for virtually nothing. Just needs a $20 part and I'm set.

OP SEC has been on my mind more and more these days....to the point of selling a shotgun so I can go get my bow, get the part needed for it....and then go over to the sporting goods store for the arrows and broadheads.

If you are looking at bow hunting in present time (that'd be pre-SHTF) get your camo and learn how to track your game.

Also of great necessity is learning how to properly dress it out. Deer are a real pain in the ass the first few times. They're big, if you get an older deer the hide is a bit tougher to cut....and your really need to be quite careful in how you dress it. Steady movements are key. Otherwise you'll risk tainting the meat if you rupture an intestine or rupture the bladder when you go to split the pelvic bone. Properly butchering the deer to maximize use of the harvest is key as well.

I ran across a good video for beginners, but I am not just gonna toss it up here because it is kind of graphic.

And OP is right. Scent is a *huge* deal in hunting, especially deer. Noise is a big difference maker as well. They can hear great.

I air out my hunting clothing for a couple days out in the country. I also wash a container in scent masking soap and then air it out with the clothing as well (you'll understand why in a second). After I am done initially airing out the container and clothing, I go back into the woods with the container (w/ the clothing in it) and layer a piece of clothing and then leaves, acorns, and walnuts. I make two layers like that and then close the container up and leave it either outside or on the back porch like that for two days prior to the season. Before I started that routine, I'd find myself wondering why the hell I didn't see anything the whole first day of the season. I looked behind myself in the tree stand once...and found out that they must have detected scent from me or my gear....and were standing behind me trying to survey the situation.
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great post op, i've looked into this myself. with lots of kids and limited resources for prepping, what bows would you all suggest that balance cost/quality?

thx all
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The best explanation of instinctive shooting I have heard, is comparing it to throwing a baseball. Your mind naturally sizes up the distance and you know whento release. I know this takes many years of practice, so for the time being I'm using an old Cobra sight to help me out. I'm also using an elevated rest with a plunger and shooting fingers.

Also, a two bladed broadhead is a great deer hunting broadhead for a recurve. Right now I have some Magnus ones (I think "buzz saws"?) that seem to fly like field points. hf
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Magnus stingers are great heads...fixed and cut on contact...your using the buzz cut....good choice!
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Have you read on SHTF scenarios? I have and would choose not to be in the woods with those who are unprepared. Of course there may be that rare case, but a stockpile of food should be kept at the home and make the house your castle.

Many have illusions about "Living off the land". It is much harder than people reallize. Today if we go into the woods and we get cold, hungry or otherwise miserable.....we go home.

If a situation unfolds where many Americans had to attempt to live off the land.....IT WOULD BE HORRIBLE. Worse than any of us could imagine. The skills needed to survive were lost centuries ago. Desperate people may go to the woods and God knows what they would do if their family is starving.

I like bow hunting though and if I lived in the wilderness in a shtf scenario I would use one. I have traps set, however, and find them most efficient. I would trap in a SHTF scenario to conserve calories.
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Guns are illegal in mexico,

so bows are definetley the way to go....

besides when things get rough,

amunnition will be hard to find...
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You really ought have all your family's food needs met for at least a year. Not safe to be chasing protein out in the woods, away from your family. If you do have to resort to hunting, use snares and other traps to increase your odds.

Archery is great fun and a good skill, but inferior to firearms. Not a lot of meat on deer smaller than elk.
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What happens when you run out of ammo for your guns and dont have the means to produce more?

Dear has a lot of meat, bone, sinew, and a hide you can make a blanket.

1 hunted animal = a lot of items, not just meat. Besides, you dont have to eat 16 oz of meat every day.

This is survival, not a steakhouse.
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great post op, i've looked into this myself. with lots of kids and limited resources for prepping, what bows would you all suggest that balance cost/quality?

thx all
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pretty much any recurves or long bows...box stores like Bass Pro or Academy etc will have your cheaper bows....most pro-shops deal more with custom etc...higher end bows...garage sells and ponshops have some too....just make sure the limbs are good...no cracks, delamination or warped...
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You really ought have all your family's food needs met for at least a year. Not safe to be chasing protein out in the woods, away from your family. If you do have to resort to hunting, use snares and other traps to increase your odds.

Archery is great fun and a good skill, but inferior to firearms. Not a lot of meat on deer smaller than elk.
 Quoting: Lester 3567071


What happens when you run out of ammo for your guns and dont have the means to produce more?

Dear has a lot of meat, bone, sinew, and a hide you can make a blanket.

1 hunted animal = a lot of items, not just meat. Besides, you dont have to eat 16 oz of meat every day.

This is survival, not a steakhouse.
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right on...
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1. Learn your trajectory with different arrows. (they could be different)

2. They make silencers for re curve bows (you might want to equip them.)

3. Make sure you have a good hone stone and mineral oil to sharpen those broad heads.

~these are just a few more things i could think of for you.
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1. Learn your trajectory with different arrows. (they could be different)

2. They make silencers for re curve bows (you might want to equip them.)

3. Make sure you have a good hone stone and mineral oil to sharpen those broad heads.

~these are just a few more things i could think of for you.
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all very good points...the new silencers are called monkey tails...probably the lightest out there...cat whiskers are a thing of the past...you can hardly even find those anymore or the material...
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Try to get away from the tree stand hunting routine....I like to still hunt on the ground....walk a little, listen and look....sitting in a treestand gets old quick....at least by still hunting, I'm getting exercise, practicing stealth movement thru the woods, and even without a successful hunt I had fun.....

Google "Howard Hill" for instinctive shooting he was one of the best....instinctive shooting also allows you to get off a fast arrow when game is close.....the act of drawing, anchoring, and releasing is one fluid movement....Watching Howard Hill shoot is amazing...

For the guy talking about wounding game, in close to 20yrs hunting I never lost an animal I shot....I won't take a bad shot no matter how big the buck is.....a man's gotta know his limitations.....the does taste better anyway....
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Try to get away from the tree stand hunting routine....I like to still hunt on the ground....walk a little, listen and look....sitting in a treestand gets old quick....at least by still hunting, I'm getting exercise, practicing stealth movement thru the woods, and even without a successful hunt I had fun.....

Google "Howard Hill" for instinctive shooting he was one of the best....instinctive shooting also allows you to get off a fast arrow when game is close.....the act of drawing, anchoring, and releasing is one fluid movement....Watching Howard Hill shoot is amazing...

For the guy talking about wounding game, in close to 20yrs hunting I never lost an animal I shot....I won't take a bad shot no matter how big the buck is.....a man's gotta know his limitations.....the does taste better anyway....
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Try to get away from the tree stand hunting routine....I like to still hunt on the ground....walk a little, listen and look....sitting in a treestand gets old quick....at least by still hunting, I'm getting exercise, practicing stealth movement thru the woods, and even without a successful hunt I had fun.....

Google "Howard Hill" for instinctive shooting he was one of the best....instinctive shooting also allows you to get off a fast arrow when game is close.....the act of drawing, anchoring, and releasing is one fluid movement....Watching Howard Hill shoot is amazing...

For the guy talking about wounding game, in close to 20yrs hunting I never lost an animal I shot....I won't take a bad shot no matter how big the buck is.....a man's gotta know his limitations.....the does taste better anyway....
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True that, great points. Especially the ground hunting part.
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OP....the SHTF for real....how long do you think animal populations would survive while being hunted by everyone?....3 months TOPS....maybe less.

Witness Soviet Russia, which after the WWII era was devoid of most wild animals due to hunting for food.
They are STILL recovering to this day.

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Funny you should mention this topic, because this is the prep I am working on this week as well. Used to play around with a bear recurve in my youth. I also picked up a couple of pawn-shop special compound bows. Don't know much about them, but I intend to learn. Hopefully I can at least get my feet wet and put together a servicable weapon and basic level skill within a month or two.
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Enjoying the info. I have not touched a bow since high school. Would be nice to pick it back up. There are very nice bow hunting opportunities down on Quantico.
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Funny you should mention this topic, because this is the prep I am working on this week as well. Used to play around with a bear recurve in my youth. I also picked up a couple of pawn-shop special compound bows. Don't know much about them, but I intend to learn. Hopefully I can at least get my feet wet and put together a servicable weapon and basic level skill within a month or two.
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Some of the large sporting goods stores have bow practice ranges & intructors to help you get back up to speed. Good luck.
hf
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OP....the SHTF for real....how long do you think animal populations would survive while being hunted by everyone?....3 months TOPS....maybe less.

Witness Soviet Russia, which after the WWII era was devoid of most wild animals due to hunting for food.
They are STILL recovering to this day.
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


well...thats something to think about...but my bows are also weapons...hence why we have so many...quiet and with compounds....can shoot 280 fps with just mine...now hubby...he has a long draw length and shoots 70 pounds...we plan on protecting our land and animals the best we can....rockon
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So, during my time away from GLP, I've still been prepping a little bit at a time. One of the skills that I've decided to learn is bowhunting game.

There are a few different advantages to bowhunting over using a firearm, especially in a SHTF scenario.

1.) Stealth. You may not want everybody in a 20 mile radius to know that you are well armed or well fed.

2.) Diversity. A bow, especially a traditional bow, opens up the possibilities of different types of game you can hunt. With guns, you may need several types of ammunition for different situations. With arrows, you only need a couple different types of arrows that you can usually re-use.

3.) Portability. A take-down recurve bow will fit in your bug out bag. There are several models out there that don't even require tools to assemble.

4.) Availability of ammunition. While it is not as easy as breaking off a stick, sharpening the end, and pointing it down range, with some skills, ingenuity, and some time/patience, you can make your own arrows, bowstring, or even your own bow.

During my short time of learning, there are a few key elements that most beginners should focus on. I'm by no means an expert, so if I miss something, chime in. hf

A.) Form. Consistent is key here. A loose grip on the bow, steady/smooth draw, consistent anchor points, and follow through are all very important.

B.) Equipment. Don't get a bow that is too difficult to pull back on. In the case of traditional bows, draw weights are measured at a draw length of 28 inches. Anything 45 pounds and up should be sufficient for hunting larger game like deer. You want something that you can use consistently.

C.) Practice, Practice, Practice. Buy or make a target and throw some arrows downrange.

As far as hunting goes, there are a few things that are key regardless of what it is you are hunting.

1.) Know your quarry. Where they live, when they travel, where they travel, what they eat, what predators besides you are doing, etc. It's not as simple as you may think.

2.) Know your hunting area. Other critters, neighbors, landmarks, etc. Try to absorb as much as possible. Also, know your state hunting regulations. While they may not matter if the SHTF, you don't want to get busted when you're just getting started.

3.) Know yourself. Nothing in the woods smells like a person except a person. For bowhunting deer, scent management is paramount. For Elk, or squirrels, not so much.

These are just a few of the things that I've learned so far. I would love to hear from other hunters and other hunting stories or even philosophies.

I really have no desire to kill an animal, but I would like to feed my family if the SHTF. By learning now, I can do that in a humane manner that is responsible and possibly beneficial.

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milk jug with string and stick to prop it open... works great all the time. great for bird of all types.




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You will get resistance from some rifle hunters who don't think a bow is a good enough weapon to hunt deer with. Personally I'm just sticking with a good 'old 30-30 marlin for deer hunting post SHTF. Everybody in the countryside is well armed so I'm hardly worried about a shot ringing out arousing suspicion. Don't get me wrong bows are fun recreational weapons but I just feel so inadequately armed walking into the wilderness with one looking for game. A high tech crossbow might be a better idea for post SHTF silent hunting IMO.
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great post op, i've looked into this myself. with lots of kids and limited resources for prepping, what bows would you all suggest that balance cost/quality?

thx all
 Quoting: anonymous coward 1571947


pretty much any recurves or long bows...box stores like Bass Pro or Academy etc will have your cheaper bows....most pro-shops deal more with custom etc...higher end bows...garage sells and ponshops have some too....just make sure the limbs are good...no cracks, delamination or warped...
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The Samick Sage takedown seems to be a lot of bow for the money.hf

ETA: 3 rivers archery seems like a decent online retailer as well.

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The fucking asshole bow hunter should have his head cut off.
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OP....the SHTF for real....how long do you think animal populations would survive while being hunted by everyone?....3 months TOPS....maybe less.

Witness Soviet Russia, which after the WWII era was devoid of most wild animals due to hunting for food.
They are STILL recovering to this day.
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


I've heard hunters say more like 3 weeks....
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great post op, i've looked into this myself. with lots of kids and limited resources for prepping, what bows would you all suggest that balance cost/quality?

thx all
 Quoting: anonymous coward 1571947


pretty much any recurves or long bows...box stores like Bass Pro or Academy etc will have your cheaper bows....most pro-shops deal more with custom etc...higher end bows...garage sells and ponshops have some too....just make sure the limbs are good...no cracks, delamination or warped...
 Quoting: Lightfeather


The Samick Sage takedown seems to be a lot of bow for the money.hf

ETA: 3 rivers archery seems like a decent online retailer as well.
 Quoting: General Troll, US Shillitary


yep...3 rivers archery is like the biggest online retailer...and cheapest! Thats what killed your pro-shops...thats why we don't carry alot of long bows or recurves anymore...just pro-line compounds and special orders on high-end recurves and long bows...

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