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Cooling the Warming Debate: Major New Analysis Confirms That Global Warming Is Real

 
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Please read the following that clearly shows how man is the cause of climate change.
[link to climate.nasa.gov]
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Idiots can't be convinced by the facts.

They'd rather die than admit that Al Gore is correct and they are just dumb tools of the fossil fuel industry.
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These are the facts! To properly deal with climate change you have to go directly to the data and not the interpretation of the data that is fed to us through the mainstream media. In 1999 a group of scientist recognized climate change was happening and they didn’t know why but knew we were losing earth records in the ice. They drilled in Lake Vostok and pulled an ice core sample that retained 420,000 years of earth history. From this sample we can tell the strength of the sun, the strength of the magnetic field, the levels of gases, sea levels, high and low temperatures. The data is still being analyzed but the key here is did humans cause the increase in carbon dioxide (CO2), thus increasing the temperature levels, global warming, and we’ve been told by the media that’s what they ask us to believe. What the data shows clearly shows when we look at the charts the temperature level rises about 400 to 800 years before the CO2 levels rise. This tells us two things. When we look at the 420,000 year history retained in the ice you will see a massive warming and cooling cycle every 100,000 years and within that 100,000 years there are smaller cycles, which we are living in right now. The fact that the CO2 existed in such quantities in the past tells us we are not the cause of the CO2 increase. In the ice core samples we see this cycle repeat itself many times. So there is a correlation but its not what many people would lead us to believe. The correlation is the temperature rises, then the CO2 and Methane. The cause is earth changes its orbit, tilt, angle, and wobble on a rhythmic basis and changes our relationship to the sun and when that happens we go through these changes. Charts dated 1880 to 2000 shows a warming trend. And it could look alarming until you take a step back and place it into the larger cycle say 420,000 years and you will see that we are on track with this cycle. The data also suggest that warming has topped out. The problem is the coming cooling cycle we need to worry about. Is climate change happening? Yes. Did we cause it? No. Are we contributing to it? Possibly. Based on the false assumptions of science, the belief was that climate change was human induced. We are not going to stop climate change, we need to adapt to it. Because its coming whether we like it or not. An article “Rasmussen: 69% Believe Scientists Have Falsified Global Warming Research” states “Sixty-nine percent of American adults say it’s at least somewhat likely that some scientists have falsified research data in order to support their own theories and beliefs…”

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Oh BTY CO2 is not air pollution, it is what plants fucking breathe. People who grow plants indoors add CO2 to the growing chamber in some circumstances to make the plants grow faster and be more healthy.
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It is scientific fact that global warming waxes and wanes through out the billions of years this planet has existed. The only warming that occurs from our solar system is from the sun. The solar cycles are the direct cause of earth heating and cooling.

So blame the sun, charge it some heating credits and try and control 99% of the fiery mass of the solar system our earth orbits. Since you and your ilk are trying to tax us into oblivion with your carbon credits to do who knows what with our hard earned money, maybe we could send you and an envoy of global warming gurus like Al Gore straight to the sun for negotiations.
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Oh please, OP.

NOBODY with at least half a brain believes the man-made global warming scam.

Global warming AND cooling have been going on cyclically since the earth first existed.

As I said, belief in man-made global warming is at an all-time low and going lower. Entertain your theory if you like, but it ain't fact.
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I love how the climate tards love to jump to the conclusion that because the earth is warming.... it proves their theory as to the cause...


The cause of the earth warming could be one of 8 million reasons or combination there of... to say that the Human industrial revolution is the 100% cause is just scientifically ignorant...
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First you shitheads denied that global warming existed.
You were proved wrong.

Then you said it would only be beneficial and were proved wrong again.

Now you refuse to believe that it's caused by air pollution.

Well shitheads, guess what?
Every climatic scientific body in the world says you're full of shit.
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FUCKIN'A
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Oh please, OP.

NOBODY with at least half a brain believes the man-made global warming scam.

Global warming AND cooling have been going on cyclically since the earth first existed.

As I said, belief in man-made global warming is at an all-time low and going lower. Entertain your theory if you like, but it ain't fact.
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We (humans) can add or sutract from the natural cycles of temperature. That much is simple.

Also you should research tipping points.
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I love how the climate tards love to jump to the conclusion that because the earth is warming.... it proves their theory as to the cause...


The cause of the earth warming could be one of 8 million reasons or combination there of... to say that the Human industrial revolution is the 100% cause is just scientifically ignorant...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1160946


First you shitheads denied that global warming existed.
You were proved wrong.

Then you said it would only be beneficial and were proved wrong again.

Now you refuse to believe that it's caused by air pollution.

Well shitheads, guess what?
Every climatic scientific body in the world says you're full of shit.
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THANK YOU, Anonymous Coward, for the sheer brilliance of your thoughtful and well-reasoned reply.

Your breathtaking eloquence has absolutely convinced me that I do, indeed, possess an over-abundance of feces.

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Please read the following that clearly shows how man is the cause of climate change.
[link to climate.nasa.gov]
 Quoting: Pops77


Idiots can't be convinced by the facts.

They'd rather die than admit that Al Gore is correct and they are just dumb tools of the fossil fuel industry.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3786871
These are the facts! To properly deal with climate change you have to go directly to the data and not the interpretation of the data that is fed to us through the mainstream media. In 1999 a group of scientist recognized climate change was happening and they didn’t know why but knew we were losing earth records in the ice. They drilled in Lake Vostok and pulled an ice core sample that retained 420,000 years of earth history. From this sample we can tell the strength of the sun, the strength of the magnetic field, the levels of gases, sea levels, high and low temperatures. The data is still being analyzed but the key here is did humans cause the increase in carbon dioxide (CO2), thus increasing the temperature levels, global warming, and we’ve been told by the media that’s what they ask us to believe. What the data shows clearly shows when we look at the charts the temperature level rises about 400 to 800 years before the CO2 levels rise. This tells us two things. When we look at the 420,000 year history retained in the ice you will see a massive warming and cooling cycle every 100,000 years and within that 100,000 years there are smaller cycles, which we are living in right now. The fact that the CO2 existed in such quantities in the past tells us we are not the cause of the CO2 increase. In the ice core samples we see this cycle repeat itself many times. So there is a correlation but its not what many people would lead us to believe. The correlation is the temperature rises, then the CO2 and Methane. The cause is earth changes its orbit, tilt, angle, and wobble on a rhythmic basis and changes our relationship to the sun and when that happens we go through these changes. Charts dated 1880 to 2000 shows a warming trend. And it could look alarming until you take a step back and place it into the larger cycle say 420,000 years and you will see that we are on track with this cycle. The data also suggest that warming has topped out. The problem is the coming cooling cycle we need to worry about. Is climate change happening? Yes. Did we cause it? No. Are we contributing to it? Possibly. Based on the false assumptions of science, the belief was that climate change was human induced. We are not going to stop climate change, we need to adapt to it. Because its coming whether we like it or not. An article “Rasmussen: 69% Believe Scientists Have Falsified Global Warming Research” states “Sixty-nine percent of American adults say it’s at least somewhat likely that some scientists have falsified research data in order to support their own theories and beliefs…”
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My gawd man, your wall of text attack has crippled me. stoned

Summary in one sentence:
Increased CO2 is a trailing indicator of warming, that is, it shows up after the warming is caused by other means.

In this case, "other means" is a very natural solar cycle.
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I could have said something along those lines but that wasn't my intent. What I typed doesn't leave much to debate. And you understood it! And that was my purpose.
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It still amazes me how people can believe this bullshit.
Global warming is not real
Global cooling very real

OP
We are at the very tail end of an interglacial please do some research then come back with your findings a think you will be shocked at how much lies are being pushed.
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Richard Muller was a skeptic of man-made global warming. He has been a key spokesman appearing on FOX as one of the chief critic of human induced climate change. But today his own Berkley group showed he was wrong like many of you skeptics. He at lease admitted his mistake, but what about the rest of you deniers?
[link to climatecrocks.com]
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It is scientific fact that global warming waxes and wanes through out the billions of years this planet has existed. The only warming that occurs from our solar system is from the sun. The solar cycles are the direct cause of earth heating and cooling.

So blame the sun, charge it some heating credits and try and control 99% of the fiery mass of the solar system our earth orbits. Since you and your ilk are trying to tax us into oblivion with your carbon credits to do who knows what with our hard earned money, maybe we could send you and an envoy of global warming gurus like Al Gore straight to the sun for negotiations.
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This entire bullshit scam attempt arose because of one single factor:

The dumbing-down of Western civilization via the glorious gift of unionized government schooling.

Science isn't taught. English isn't taught. Philosophy (beyond Marxism) isn't taught. We've successfully outsourced the raising of several generations of Americans to the retards in the government school system who can't do shit without a Teachers' Edition to tell them what the right answers are, and the Teachers' Editions are written by Alinskyite scum.

Man-made global warming could only be believed by a gullible group of fools who have never learned how critical thinking or skepticism work to filter out lies and manipulation.

It's a fucking shame, actually.
rant
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Read "the dumbing down of America" by Charlotte Iserbyt (free full PDF on her website) and John Taylor Gatto's works if you want to understand what's hiding behind the façade you're describing.
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Please read the following that clearly shows how man is the cause of climate change.
[link to climate.nasa.gov]
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nasa.gov

enough said?
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This just in - the Sun makes things hot. CO2 makes plants grow which give us oxygen to breath. Water vapor is the dominant greenhouse gas, not CO2 or methane. CO2 rises as temperatures rise, not the other way around.
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Please read the following that clearly shows how man is the cause of climate change.
[link to climate.nasa.gov]
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Idiots can't be convinced by the facts.

They'd rather die than admit that Al Gore is correct and they are just dumb tools of the fossil fuel industry.
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There is a problem with that link, there is no given graph on temperatures before the 1880s. Compare it to some ice core samples and you see the issue here.


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I believe that it is getting warmer. How ever what about studies that show so is the rest of the solar system. I don't believe humans had anything to do with it. I believe it is a cycle. Or maybe something else?
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Oh yeah, I forgot that all the other planets in the solar system were warming along w/ earth. I guess power plants and cars are causing that too. Please UN take my money and give it to the bankers and al gore to make it stop and save the planet.
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CLIMATE CHANGE is real. global warming? meh. i think its the sun.

but deforestation likely has a small but measurable impact, in my opinion.
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Fecking Morans. No one is arguing that climate is changing... it's ALWAYS changing. The idea that it's caused by man is utterly preposterous, and that article proves absolutely NOTHING to that effect. It's like saying: My uncle likes broccoli, and now he has cancer. So that means broccoli causes cancer.

Debunk this D-bags, it's the ice-core data that proves, beyond a doubt, that the climate change occurs BEFORE the change in CO2, NOT the other way around as ManBearPig says. See, he just didn't zoom in far enough, so at a glance it appears that rising CO2 causes temperature to increase.

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The last ice age occured 110,000 to 10,000 years ago and it has been getting warmer since.

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Global warming is real, according to a major study released Oct. 20. Despite issues raised by climate change skeptics, the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature study finds reliable evidence of a rise in the average world land temperature of approximately 1°C since the mid-1950s.

[link to www.sciencedaily.com]
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/covers mouth "Bullshit"

I trust cause/effect research more.
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The last ice age occured 110,000 to 10,000 years ago and it has been getting warmer since.

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right, and the magnitude of these changes are so large that any modern measurements in comparison seem rather *irrelevant*

these people are just too stupid to follow the science or simply ignore the only relevant context for the debate
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lol why is this pinned? This is nothing but a scam/scheme to make failed leftist politicians rich.
Because lets face it, how else will they make money, being complete failures?
Except Al Gore with his oil company of course.
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Been there, done that. Global warming is a money making scam.
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Global warming is real and the burning of fossil fuel is contributing to it in a large way. [link to www.skepticalscience.com]

It's okay to admit you're wrong and that those idiot scientists might actually know what they're talking about. I know it's a tough thing to admit for some of you.
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Berkeley Earth is making its preliminary results public, together with its programs and dataset, in order to invite additional scrutiny.

lol this should be funny when it gets found to be a fraud lmao
Non peer reviewed garbage made up by agenda biased communists.
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Berkeley Earth is making its preliminary results public, together with its programs and dataset, in order to invite additional scrutiny.

lol this should be funny when it gets found to be a fraud lmao
Non peer reviewed garbage made up by agenda biased communists.
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Agenda biased communists? Don't you mean every respectful scientist in the world?
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Global warming is real, according to a major study released Oct. 20. Despite issues raised by climate change skeptics, the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature study finds reliable evidence of a rise in the average world land temperature of approximately 1°C since the mid-1950s.

[link to www.sciencedaily.com]
 Quoting: Pops77


I do not believe ANYONE denies that the earth's temperature/climate is changing. This contrived bullshit that man and cow farts somehow have anything to do with it whatsoever (in order to justify the sale of carbon credits) is what we're all up in arms about.

So, stop trying a different angle to sell your soul shill. The gig is up, and it will never be resurrected.

Is this Al by the way?
Within the surreal depths of "reality" lies the truth.
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Global warming is real
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So is the Easter Bunny, and Santa Claus?
Its been proven to be a hoax, all this garbage you post is by agenda biased communists.

Nasa data says they are lying.

[link to news.yahoo.com]

New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hole In Global Warming Alarmism
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Berkeley Earth is making its preliminary results public, together with its programs and dataset, in order to invite additional scrutiny.

lol this should be funny when it gets found to be a fraud lmao
Non peer reviewed garbage made up by agenda biased communists.
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Agenda biased communists? Don't you mean every respectful scientist in the world?
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No I mean Agenda biased communists who want to get rich from government grants and taxing peoples air.
They want to murder people while they worship the earth like good pagan lunatics.
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Richard Muller was a skeptic of man-made global warming. He has been a key spokesman appearing on FOX as one of the chief critic of human induced climate change. But today his own Berkley group showed he was wrong like many of you skeptics. He at lease admitted his mistake, but what about the rest of you deniers?
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It is scientific fact that global warming waxes and wanes through out the billions of years this planet has existed. The only warming that occurs from our solar system is from the sun. The solar cycles are the direct cause of earth heating and cooling.

So blame the sun, charge it some heating credits and try and control 99% of the fiery mass of the solar system our earth orbits. Since you and your ilk are trying to tax us into oblivion with your carbon credits to do who knows what with our hard earned money, maybe we could send you and an envoy of global warming gurus like Al Gore straight to the sun for negotiations.
 Quoting: FubarMan


This entire bullshit scam attempt arose because of one single factor:

The dumbing-down of Western civilization via the glorious gift of unionized government schooling.

Science isn't taught. English isn't taught. Philosophy (beyond Marxism) isn't taught. We've successfully outsourced the raising of several generations of Americans to the retards in the government school system who can't do shit without a Teachers' Edition to tell them what the right answers are, and the Teachers' Editions are written by Alinskyite scum.

Man-made global warming could only be believed by a gullible group of fools who have never learned how critical thinking or skepticism work to filter out lies and manipulation.

It's a fucking shame, actually.
rant
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rockon
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In addition to finding that far less heat is being trapped than alarmist computer models have predicted, the NASA satellite data show the atmosphere begins shedding heat into space long before United Nations computer models predicted.

Wow is it any wonder? Perhaps because the Earth is NOT a greenhouse?
Its surrounded by a magnetic field and a vacuum.
A greenhouse is a man made invention surrounded by plastic/glass and the Earths atmosphere.
Shit people have really been hoodwinked on that one.





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