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The Art of War. Pentagons F-22 Fleet Grounded again! Chinese Fishy Chips?

 
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Ok, so at 150 million a copy, is it really a good idea to try and save a few bucks by putting in cheaper microchips from China?

Not only that but these same chips can send back KEY intel to whomever made them.

You might remember an article written a few months back that talked about how the DoD bough over 50,000 microchips from China and installed them into numerous defense systems, Jets, Intel Hubs, etc...

"F-22 Raptor stealth fighters at Langley Air Force Base in Virginia have been grounded after a pilot experienced oxygen loss mid-flight."

This is the second time this year the Fleet of F-22's has been grounded.

"Problems with the on-board oxygen system have vexed the $150-million-a-copy F-22 for more than a year. On May 3, the Air Force locked down the entire Raptor fleet while it investigated reports of pilot blackouts and disorientation — problems that might have contributed to a fatal F-22 crash in Alaska in November."

"Investigators suspected a design flaw in the Raptor’s oxygen generator that was allowing high levels of unbreathable nitrogen to leak into the pilot’s air supply. But they could never pin down the precise flaw, and last month the Air Force brass ordered the 170 F-22s — accounting for nearly half of the Pentagon’s air-superiority force — back into the air."

[link to www.wired.com]

This is an excerpt from the article on Fishy Chips -

"In 2010, the U.S. military had a problem. It had bought over 59,000 microchips destined for installation in everything from missile defense systems to gadgets that tell friend from foe. The chips turned out to be counterfeits from China, but it could have been even worse. Instead of crappy Chinese fakes being put into Navy weapons systems, the chips could have been hacked, able to shut off a missile in the event of war or lie around just waiting to malfunction."

Anything to save a few bucks right?

So if China is hellbent on taking over the world, is it really a good idea to buy microchips that will be installed into very sensitive defense systems and Jets that cost over 150 million dollars each? With over 50000 microchips lodged into the backbone of our defense systems that can be turned off at will, or better yet used as key loggers for the Chinese Military.

Did our country get sold out already? Has the Coup already happened?

Just watch 2012 or the New Karate Kid to get a taste of the Chinese Hegemony in action infused into Hollywood.

[link to www.wired.com]

Or the Empire State building goes RED for Chinas 60th Anniversary of the People republic (Cough Cough)

[link to www.foxnews.com]

How about the Flag being flown next to the White House




Chinese Mao Ornament on White House Christmas Tree

[link to www.foxnews.com]

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i know they use military grade fpga. these chips are hardened to resist high g, so these counterfeit chips will collapse at the first turn at 3g.
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i know they use military grade fpga. these chips are hardened to resist high g, so these counterfeit chips will collapse at the first turn at 3g.
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"Investigators suspected a design flaw in the Raptor’s oxygen generator that was allowing high levels of unbreathable nitrogen to leak into the pilot’s air supply. But they could never pin down the precise flaw"

Really guys, just a design flaw in the oxygen generator?

Wonder where they purchased the oxygen sensors? China?

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The chips meet all Obama requirements. Take work from America and destroys our defensive capabilities. Obama just likes using drones to bomb weddings. He has no need for raptors.
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I would ditch the entire program and focus on drones instead entirely, much better bang for the buck.
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The chips meet all Obama requirements. Take work from America and destroys our defensive capabilities. Obama just likes using drones to bomb weddings. He has no need for raptors.
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The Drones you are speaking of have also been infiltrated. Did you read the article last week that uncovered the virus that hit our drone fleets sending key logs of strategic positions in the middle east and elsewhere to a supposed unknown location.
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China owns us. They are the head we are the tail.

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Communism is insidious.
president obongo is an 'idealist communist'. Who knows maybe even with a commie chip in that half wit 'major rear craniotomy scarred' head of his.
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I would ditch the entire program and focus on drones instead entirely, much better bang for the buck.
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Drones made from China's fishy chips.
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Next we will be having Al-Quaeda msnufacture our ammunition....
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These tiny electronic circuits used in computers can cause breakdowns or malfunctions. Bloomberg Business Week reported that a confidential Pentagon program issued an alert as long ago as 2005 that fake microchips were causing military equipment malfunctions.
Other shipments were discovered to be counterfeit in time to be canceled. Four counterfeit chips were discovered in the flight computer of one of our F-15 fighter jets at Robins Air Force Base in Georgia.

Read more: Buying counterfeit chips from China [link to www.wnd.com]
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You know they can tell if a chip is bad... simple testing will show that. Also the circuit design...

You can't make a single IC chip to do EVERYTHING like radio back to headquarters from say a O2 sensor. There's no antenna...

So you're saying they are putting in "hidden" pathways on these chips, because they KNOW the full design on these planes, and can take advantage of other independent systems on the plane?

Sorry, it just don't work like that. Even when building these things, most contractors do NOT know what the part is for when they are making it. It's called compartmentalization... So no one company can figure out how the whole works.

I know this because I used to mill aircraft parts. I had a blueprint, and still didn't know what some of the parts were, or what they were used for. Some of these parts were obvious what they were. But not all of them. This company was a low level company milling parts, mainly weight pockets. Yet we didn't get the whole picture. Anadite Aerospace, Hurst TX
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The Chinese are planning on building free economic zones in Bosie Idaho. thousands of Chinese workers will work there in mini cities owned and operated by the Chinese. This land will be considered foreign territory. Paul Daily.com had an article about it. It is also on goggle search.
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The Chinese are planning on building free economic zones in Bosie Idaho. thousands of Chinese workers will work there in mini cities owned and operated by the Chinese. This land will be considered foreign territory. Paul Daily.com had an article about it. It is also on goggle search.
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I wrote an article on that a few months back!
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Who wants shit made in America nayway, it's all proper gash.

Look at American cars for a start, only people that like the archaic, clumsy, aged engineering are Americans, that says it all!

China tech is way ahead because their philosophy on making money is far more capitalistic than the USSA, China innovate to make money, America just assassinates, because that's all America is good for, being mercenaries.
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Who wants shit made in America nayway, it's all proper gash.

Look at American cars for a start, only people that like the archaic, clumsy, aged engineering are Americans, that says it all!

China tech is way ahead because their philosophy on making money is far more capitalistic than the USSA, China innovate to make money, America just assassinates, because that's all America is good for, being mercenaries.
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I don't know what is going on with all these free trade deals, free economic zones, illegal immigration, HIb and H2b work visas (that offer everything from low paying jobs such as working in a restaurant to working as a teacher or engineer)the free green card lotteries.
It seems to me, as if they want the natural born citizens replaced with foreigners.
The government created the high unemployment rate. They knew that eventually people would react. Why did the government create massive unemployment?
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NO i would say it is more good et relations.. ah ho WIO
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You know they can tell if a chip is bad... simple testing will show that. Also the circuit design...

You can't make a single IC chip to do EVERYTHING like radio back to headquarters from say a O2 sensor. There's no antenna...

So you're saying they are putting in "hidden" pathways on these chips, because they KNOW the full design on these planes, and can take advantage of other independent systems on the plane?

Sorry, it just don't work like that. Even when building these things, most contractors do NOT know what the part is for when they are making it. It's called compartmentalization... So no one company can figure out how the whole works.

I know this because I used to mill aircraft parts. I had a blueprint, and still didn't know what some of the parts were, or what they were used for. Some of these parts were obvious what they were. But not all of them. This company was a low level company milling parts, mainly weight pockets. Yet we didn't get the whole picture. Anadite Aerospace, Hurst TX
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this i agree ^
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Who wants shit made in America nayway, it's all proper gash.

Look at American cars for a start, only people that like the archaic, clumsy, aged engineering are Americans, that says it all!

China tech is way ahead because their philosophy on making money is far more capitalistic than the USSA, China innovate to make money, America just assassinates, because that's all America is good for, being mercenaries.
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this i do not agree with.., china is famous for stealing there tech.., europe, russia and usa is ahead with this for sure..,
But china is catching up..
And making an example out of cars vs military tech is crazy..
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Who wants shit made in America nayway, it's all proper gash.

Look at American cars for a start, only people that like the archaic, clumsy, aged engineering are Americans, that says it all!

China tech is way ahead because their philosophy on making money is far more capitalistic than the USSA, China innovate to make money, America just assassinates, because that's all America is good for, being mercenaries.
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this i do not agree with.., china is famous for stealing there tech.., europe, russia and usa is ahead with this for sure..,
But china is catching up..
And making an example out of cars vs military tech is crazy..
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Good post!

Chinese aren't visionaries. They do steal technologies extremely well.
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[link to www.wired.com]

No fix in sight for the 150 Million dollar a copy F-22 Raptors.


Thats what you get when you let your competitors sell you parts.
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Thats what you get when you let your competitors sell you parts.
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The majority of the problem is workers without quality inspectors. Factories working 24/7..

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Thats what you get when you let your competitors sell you parts.
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The majority of the problem is workers without quality inspectors. Factories working 24/7..

Activity fell in September because of this.
[link to online.wsj.com]

Out-sourcing needs to drop further to balance economic autonomy.
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Oh i agree! And when you allow a country that has plans of World Domination to make parts for your Defense Systems and Military to save a few bucks, it makes sense there would be espionage involved right?
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You know they can tell if a chip is bad... simple testing will show that. Also the circuit design...

You can't make a single IC chip to do EVERYTHING like radio back to headquarters from say a O2 sensor. There's no antenna...

So you're saying they are putting in "hidden" pathways on these chips, because they KNOW the full design on these planes, and can take advantage of other independent systems on the plane?

Sorry, it just don't work like that. Even when building these things, most contractors do NOT know what the part is for when they are making it. It's called compartmentalization... So no one company can figure out how the whole works.

I know this because I used to mill aircraft parts. I had a blueprint, and still didn't know what some of the parts were, or what they were used for. Some of these parts were obvious what they were. But not all of them. This company was a low level company milling parts, mainly weight pockets. Yet we didn't get the whole picture. Anadite Aerospace, Hurst TX
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Thats what you get when you let your competitors sell you parts.
Duh!
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The majority of the problem is workers without quality inspectors. Factories working 24/7..

Activity fell in September because of this.
[link to online.wsj.com]

Out-sourcing needs to drop further to balance economic autonomy.
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Oh i agree! And when you allow a country that has plans of World Domination to make parts for your Defense Systems and Military to save a few bucks, it makes sense there would be espionage involved right?
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Yup one of the stupidest things a country could do.
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You know they can tell if a chip is bad... simple testing will show that. Also the circuit design...

You can't make a single IC chip to do EVERYTHING like radio back to headquarters from say a O2 sensor. There's no antenna...

So you're saying they are putting in "hidden" pathways on these chips, because they KNOW the full design on these planes, and can take advantage of other independent systems on the plane?

Sorry, it just don't work like that. Even when building these things, most contractors do NOT know what the part is for when they are making it. It's called compartmentalization... So no one company can figure out how the whole works.

I know this because I used to mill aircraft parts. I had a blueprint, and still didn't know what some of the parts were, or what they were used for. Some of these parts were obvious what they were. But not all of them. This company was a low level company milling parts, mainly weight pockets. Yet we didn't get the whole picture. Anadite Aerospace, Hurst TX
 Quoting: GeekOfTheWeek


Alex Bones is not going to let his useless repeaters know the COTS secret, so don't bother, you're wasting your breath trying to convince Cletus the red's are not coming. putin
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Hey man, i want to know the COTS secret?

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