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MYSTERIES of ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND and THE PACIFIC

 
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hawaii has its Mo'o mo'o reptlian guardian/overlord stotries

[link to coffeetimes.com]

[link to www.hawaiianlife.com]

[link to www.polenth.com]

[link to hvo.wr.usgs.gov]

[link to books.google.com]

even the 1st king of hawaii kamehameha was in some circles a giant (nephilim).

you should see the rock he lifted to show himself a king in the big island of hawaii called the "naha stone" (mind you this is at the age of 14!!)
also reminisant of a Phallic Stone

[link to www.donch.com]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

they say even the statues in downtown oahu across the iolani palace is a exact life size replica of kamehameha.

[link to www.hawaiianhistory.org]

[link to wiki.answers.com]

[link to www.aloha-hawaii.com]

dude was huge and had traces of the nephilim after the race was being chased and slaughtered years after the biblical account one of the last places they scattered to was the Polynesian island archipelago.

[link to garry-nelson.hubpages.com]

[link to www.crystalinks.com]

and dont even get me started on the demonic spirits of the night marchers and menehunes in hawaii.
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hawaii has its Mo'o mo'o reptlian guardian/overlord stotries

[link to coffeetimes.com]

[link to www.hawaiianlife.com]

[link to www.polenth.com]

[link to hvo.wr.usgs.gov]

[link to books.google.com]

even the 1st king of hawaii kamehameha was in some circles a giant (nephilim).

you should see the rock he lifted to show himself a king in the big island of hawaii called the "naha stone" (mind you this is at the age of 14!!)
also reminisant of a Phallic Stone

[link to www.donch.com]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

they say even the statues in downtown oahu across the iolani palace is a exact life size replica of kamehameha.

[link to www.hawaiianhistory.org]

[link to wiki.answers.com]

[link to www.aloha-hawaii.com]

dude was huge and had traces of the nephilim after the race was being chased and slaughtered years after the biblical account one of the last places they scattered to was the Polynesian island archipelago.

[link to garry-nelson.hubpages.com]

[link to www.crystalinks.com]

and dont even get me started on the demonic spirits of the night marchers and menehunes in hawaii.
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Hello,

I think we will encourage you and get you started..

So tell us more, friend...
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hawaii has its Mo'o mo'o reptlian guardian/overlord stotries

[link to coffeetimes.com]

[link to www.hawaiianlife.com]

[link to www.polenth.com]

[link to hvo.wr.usgs.gov]

[link to books.google.com]

even the 1st king of hawaii kamehameha was in some circles a giant (nephilim).

you should see the rock he lifted to show himself a king in the big island of hawaii called the "naha stone" (mind you this is at the age of 14!!)
also reminisant of a Phallic Stone

[link to www.donch.com]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

they say even the statues in downtown oahu across the iolani palace is a exact life size replica of kamehameha.

[link to www.hawaiianhistory.org]

[link to wiki.answers.com]

[link to www.aloha-hawaii.com]

dude was huge and had traces of the nephilim after the race was being chased and slaughtered years after the biblical account one of the last places they scattered to was the Polynesian island archipelago.

[link to garry-nelson.hubpages.com]

[link to www.crystalinks.com]

and dont even get me started on the demonic spirits of the night marchers and menehunes in hawaii.
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Have much time have you spent in Hawaii and on which island?
“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace

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or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

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hawaii has its Mo'o mo'o reptlian guardian/overlord stotries

[link to coffeetimes.com]

[link to www.hawaiianlife.com]

[link to www.polenth.com]

[link to hvo.wr.usgs.gov]

[link to books.google.com]

even the 1st king of hawaii kamehameha was in some circles a giant (nephilim).

you should see the rock he lifted to show himself a king in the big island of hawaii called the "naha stone" (mind you this is at the age of 14!!)
also reminisant of a Phallic Stone

[link to www.donch.com]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

they say even the statues in downtown oahu across the iolani palace is a exact life size replica of kamehameha.

[link to www.hawaiianhistory.org]

[link to wiki.answers.com]

[link to www.aloha-hawaii.com]

dude was huge and had traces of the nephilim after the race was being chased and slaughtered years after the biblical account one of the last places they scattered to was the Polynesian island archipelago.

[link to garry-nelson.hubpages.com]

[link to www.crystalinks.com]

and dont even get me started on the demonic spirits of the night marchers and menehunes in hawaii.
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Thankyou AC very interesting, Hi Tauranga.....Hi Da Purple Chicken


I saw a geko this morning, and every time a drive home, towards the lizard(hill) it looks directly at me.....

Ive often thought it was a taniwha being situated along the waikato river, every bend a taniwha or chife.

(ill post some pictures up soon, there is a explotion site, on the other side of the lizard hill, Harmonic, quite a large creator, looks like a node or navel?)
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Symbolism of Mo’o

If Mo’o appears in your life, it is a message to look at your fears so you can dissolve them. Like Mo’o in the form of the monster, fears destroy your power and make you doubt your abilities and your dreams. However, when you face your fears, the Mo’o goddess will be benevolent and will, like she did with Kamehameha, make you a king, in this case, of yourself.

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taniwha!

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

As guardians

When taniwha were accorded the appropriate respect, they usually acted well towards their people. Taniwha acted as guardians by warning of the approach of enemies, communicating the information via a priest who was a medium; sometimes the taniwha saved people from drowning. Because they lived in dangerous or dark and gloomy places, the people were careful to placate the taniwha with appropriate offerings if they needed to be in the vicinity or to pass by its lair. These offerings were often of a green twig, accompanied by a fitting incantation. In harvest time, the first kūmara (sweet potato) or the first taro was often presented to the taniwha (Orbell 1998:149-150).

As notorious monsters

In their role as guardians, taniwha were vigilant to ensure that the people respected the restrictions imposed by tapu. They made certain that any violations of tapu were punished. Taniwha were especially dangerous to people from other tribes. There are many legends of battles with taniwha, both on land and at sea. Often these conflicts took place soon after the settlement of New Zealand, generally after a taniwha had attacked and eaten a person from a tribe that it had no connection with. Always, the humans manage to outwit and defeat the taniwha. Many of these taniwha are described as beings of lizard-like form, and the some of the stories say the huge beasts were cut up and eaten by the slayers.[7] When Hotu-puku, a taniwha of the Rotorua district, was killed, his stomach was cut open to reveal a number of bodies of men, women, and children, whole and still undigested, as well as various body parts. The taniwha had swallowed all that his victims had been carrying, and his stomach also contained weapons of various kinds, darts, greenstone ornaments, shark's teeth, flax clothing, and an assortment of fur and feather cloaks of the highest quality.[8]

Many taniwha were killers but in this particular instance the taniwha Kaiwhare was eventually tamed by Tamure. Tamure lived at Hauraki and was understood to have a magical mere/pounamu with powers to defeat taniwha. The Manukau people then called for Tamure to help kill the taniwha. Tamure and Kaiwhare wrestled and Tamure clubbed the taniwha over the head. Although he was unable to kill it, his actions tamed the taniwha. Kaiwhare still lives in the waters but now lives on kōura (crayfish) and wheke (octopus).[9]

Relationships with people

Sometimes, a person who had dealings with taniwha during their lifetime might turn into a taniwha after they died. This happened to Te Tahi-o-te-rangi, who had been a medium for the taniwha, and had been rescued at one time by one of the creatures. Tūheita, an early ancestor who drowned, became a taniwha despite the fact that he had no prior dealings with the mythical beasts. Sometimes relationships are formed between humans and taniwha. Hine-kōrako was a female taniwha who married a human man, and Pānia was a woman from the sea who married a human and gave birth to a taniwha (Orbell 1998:150).

In the legend "The Taniwha of Kaipara" three sisters went out to pick berries. One of the sisters was particularly beautiful. The taniwha caused havoc on their walk back and the sisters fled. The taniwha caught the sisters one by one, trying to capture the beautiful one. On succeeding, he then took her back to his cave. Many years passed and the woman bore the taniwha six sons, with three like their father and three fully human. She educated all her sons and in particular taught her human sons the art of war, helping them to fashion and use weapons. The human sons then killed their three taniwha brothers, and eventually their father. They all went back to their homes.[10]

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The Wailuku River

Sounds very similar to the Waikato river here in NZ, do you know what luku means?, im not sure about kato?, but wai is water.......

sounds like the legend attached to it(moo/taniwha, warns of a past geographacal event, embedded in symbology, so the storys are easily carried through time.

One of the links mentioned the Puna side of the island, Puna to my understanding means spring, My mums family come from Te-puna(the spring). I just recently found out about the spring, it was a spring that by the coulour it changed too indicated when war was coming.........

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Interesting prophecy!

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5684067


Red-Haired Giants of Nevada

Growing up in Nevada I had heard stories of the Sitecah from the Paiute Indians that lived in the area. They told of red-haired men and women of light colored skin as tall as 12 feet who originally lived in the area when the Paiutes had first arrived. Evidently these human giants liked to eat the Indians so they had problems making friends. The Indian tribes of the area finally joined and ambushed the giants killing most of them on the spot. The remaining giants took refuge in a cave. The Indians demanded they come out and fight but the giants refused. So, the Indians piled brush into the cave and set it on fire. Any giants that did run out were shot with arrows, the remaining giants were asphyxiated.

In the 1800s this cave was known as Horse Shoe Cave but is now called Lovelock Cave. Lovelock cave is located around 20 miles South of Lovelock Nevada

hmmmmmmm

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(ill post some pictures up soon, there is a explotion site, on the other side of the lizard hill, Harmonic, quite a large creator, looks like a node or navel?)
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possibly Ra. interesting to note what bruce cathie theorizes concerning these symmetrically near-perfect craters around the globe. rather than the result of meteor impacts, his book "the pulse of the universe: harmonic 288" alludes to the possibility that these were remnants of ancient grid instability or even nuclear warfare. on pages 49-50 he states:

Although many scientists believe that these craters ... were gouged out by giant meteors striking the earth, to date no large meteor fragments have been discovered. A fairly good scattering of a certain type of iron has been found in the vicinity of some of the holes, but the combined mass of the fragments would be only an infinitesimal fraction of the bulk required to blast out holes of such size ... I indicated in my earlier work that I believed the craters were formed by explosions from below the surface. This would have been caused by the instability of spiral geometrics within the grid system. This could have been brought about by interference with the system in the ancient past, based on advanced scientific knowledge. All the evidence being compiled in modern times indicates that at some time round eleven to twelve thousand years ago a major catastrophe occurred which caused worldwide devastation. Some of this evidence indicates most strongly that atomic-type explosions occurred at various positions on the earth's surface. An ancient war perhaps? Or were the scientists of the day overreaching themselves and carrying out experiments with the structure of matter, without being in complete control of the resulting effects?

he goes on: I said in my first work that "the force fields of the grid were naturally distorted when this happened and stresses were set up in various parts of the system. As the earth moved through space, various points in these areas of strain have lined up geometrically in relation to the solar system as a whole; the mc^2 section of the grid formula has possibly been fulfilled and a resulting explosion has taken place, with the known devastating results."
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(ill post some pictures up soon, there is a explotion site, on the other side of the lizard hill, Harmonic, quite a large creator, looks like a node or navel?)
 Quoting: Royal Assassin


possibly Ra. interesting to note what bruce cathie theorizes concerning these symmetrically near-perfect craters around the globe. rather than the result of meteor impacts, his book "the pulse of the universe: harmonic 288" alludes to the possibility that these were remnants of ancient grid instability or even nuclear warfare. on pages 49-50 he states:

Although many scientists believe that these craters ... were gouged out by giant meteors striking the earth, to date no large meteor fragments have been discovered. A fairly good scattering of a certain type of iron has been found in the vicinity of some of the holes, but the combined mass of the fragments would be only an infinitesimal fraction of the bulk required to blast out holes of such size ... I indicated in my earlier work that I believed the craters were formed by explosions from below the surface. This would have been caused by the instability of spiral geometrics within the grid system. This could have been brought about by interference with the system in the ancient past, based on advanced scientific knowledge. All the evidence being compiled in modern times indicates that at some time round eleven to twelve thousand years ago a major catastrophe occurred which caused worldwide devastation. Some of this evidence indicates most strongly that atomic-type explosions occurred at various positions on the earth's surface. An ancient war perhaps? Or were the scientists of the day overreaching themselves and carrying out experiments with the structure of matter, without being in complete control of the resulting effects?

he goes on: I said in my first work that "the force fields of the grid were naturally distorted when this happened and stresses were set up in various parts of the system. As the earth moved through space, various points in these areas of strain have lined up geometrically in relation to the solar system as a whole; the mc^2 section of the grid formula has possibly been fulfilled and a resulting explosion has taken place, with the known devastating results."
 Quoting: harmonic5525305 6100971


Grid instability sounds plusable.....nuclear war?, there is evidence of ancient occupation in the area, weather the event that happened here was man made or natural, it seems to be quite powerfull, and maybe related to the sinking and riseing of north island of new zealand, being ledgend says north island is a whale, or sting ray to waitaha, fished up by maui.

The taniwha marked, Tail, spine, head.

Possible explosion site/vocanic?

[link to i42.tinypic.com]

The Tail of the Taniwha/lizard/serpent/dragon, is dipping the waikato river, at one stage it was beneath water.....maybe only the head and spine sticking out?.

Taniwha were placed for a purpose, warning/protector, so being so close to the explosion site, could mark a potential future threat, to guard against?

In symbolic terms, lizards/tuatara being a gate way to knowledge, the area could have been utilized as a school of learning, Te kohunga, Te means The and kohunga, is the name for maori primary school of learning, So the name can be interpreted as "The begining school of learning/wisdom/knowledge, wisdom because serpent/reptaile is a symbol for wisdom/knowledge, that is what they protect.

There is also a Te kohanga in the christchurch region of the south island, it was once a center point for learning according to Waitaha.

I wonder if they are birthing cords for some of the objects in the heavens, shooting forth a leyline of energy, which as it travels manifest to itself matter, getting bigger and bigger, than eventuly turning into a solid object?

The discarge afterwards is just the afterbirth?

EMP strike did come to mind, not all comets are solid, some are just made out of energy and gases, its empact could have cause an dirruption in the force so to speak, causeing mega growth(giants men, trees, animals, fish etc, all recorded here in NZ).

Either that all a tectonic plate rupture, having a effect on surrounding areas.

An other theroy is a miskeeto type sucking round object, landing to refuel, causeing a pimple like bite after its gone and reloaded, with leyline energy lol, (yes ive got a wild imagination, just throwing it out there for fun lol, i tend to discredit this line of thinking, but ya never know, just an other option)

Biblical birthing pains?

If it is a leyline protal/navel, would it make scence to utilize it as a house of learning, receiveing information through the energy frequancy the area is connected too?

An other interesting legend, is how maui slowed down the sun, he used a net(the grid?) made of many cords, and he tangled the sun, slowing him down, or was it the earth that slowed, giving us a longer day?

Some say an object slowed down our earth spin, and moved the poles, via gravational pull as it passed close by.

The cretors remind me of a naval, without its birth cord, there were liquid discharges from some of these creators, springs, these old channels can be seen, were the water used to flow, some of these channels still have ancient bridges on them, built around the time they used to flow, the waikato river is nothing to what it used to be, if there are cretors and springs as big and impressive as these ones futher up the river, then at one stage of history it was a mighty torrent......feed by all them dried up springs(cretors).

There is a interesting vid i saw, that also suggest this theory, this regards Makariki(maori new year)the 7 sisters and there creation.

"In his anger Tawhirimatea tore out his eyes and flung them into the heavens"

Matariki literally means the Eyes of Rā (Mata a Ariki), Rā being the Sun God.

Another translation is ‘little eyes’ (mata riki).

[link to www.ngawhetu.com]



Looks like lake taupo, was its birth point?

Note, this is part of the old southern vocanic field in the auckland region, the newer one is futher north towards auckland, and other indication of activity direction moving south to north.

There are rock deposits on alot of the hills that ive seen on the north easterly side, indicating the direction on where they came from.

This pic here is a arial view of the site where i took them pictures of the rock formations, you can see by the pic that it is the only area with such rock/features, plus the possbility of an ancient path crossing an old brigde, that used to feed from a spring into the waikato river, when the water levels were higher. You can see the old channel, and what appares to be a bridge leading in the direction of the stone structures, this postion would have been on the bend of the old waikato river, all along that ridge line.

[link to i41.tinypic.com]

Got more pics to post soon......
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Ok try this one :)

[link to i40.tinypic.com]

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Hi Tauranga

Sorry bout the delay Tauranga, I started to upload a vid last night while i had access to wireless at the hotel, at around $15 dollars for 2 hours, i was waiting for the vid as it was uploading when i fell asleep lol, 1 thirtyish this morning, woke up a couple hours latter and there had been a upload error, and the two hours had passed.

I am back home now, and back to dial up, so ive just uploaded pics for now, which take about 15mins if there are no interruptions, hope they turn out ok, as i carnt seem to see them properly at the moment, not sure why?. Just let me know if any dont turn out ok, and ill re-upload them a.s.a.p.

Ok here is the first pic, this was the first structure major structure i encountered when first creasting the top of hill from the side i went up on.

It appares to be the remains of a stone wall, this continues up and over the crest and around the hill, which end has been partly buried, by a past vocanic erruption up behind the hill, the picture is taken faceing south-west direction.

[link to i40.tinypic.com]

over the crest and seeing the rest of the walllike construction running near west, part out and in the ground.

[link to i39.tinypic.com]

Partly buired structure at end of wall running west.

[link to i41.tinypic.com]

This is the half buried section faceing north, distant stone structure can be seen futher up the hill.

[link to i44.tinypic.com]

I then retraced back my steps to the beginging of the wall, and walked up the an other wall zizaging up the hill, this wall seemed to be a newer construction, built with the remains of the former construction, which was damaged by previous erruption, but none the less still an old construction, as alot of the surface stones have heavy moss.

[link to i43.tinypic.com]

This is all ill post for now Tauranga, i took about 180 pictures that day, and there is still alot of interesting pictures i want to post, ill post when i can :)

Just a note, the waikato river lies just a little way away, in ancient times there use to be a lake in the area below on the eastern and south eastern side, and the water levels used to reach the base of this site, this resonates with the legend of maui pulling up the north island(whale), as this part of nz was once partly underwater, before the volcanic activity?.

The site has also given me a lead to follow in finding other similar sites at similar levels along the old waikato river height, and channels now above land, which can be identifyied via google earth to some degreethi.

[link to www.tainui.co.nz]

The river is a tupuna (ancestor) of Waikato-Tainui which has mana which in turn represents the mana (spiritual authority/protective power/prestige) and mauri (life force), of the tribe. The river is a single indivisible entity.

Ko Taupiri te maunga - Taupiri is the mountain

Ko Waikato te awa - Waikato is the river

Ko Te Wherowhero te tangata - Te Wherowhero is the chief

Waikato Taniwharau - Waikato of a hundred chiefs

He piko, he taniwha - At every bend a chief

He piko, he taniwha - At every bend a chief


This structure is on a bend on the ancient course of the river, could have been a residance of an old chief, some where gients in them days, as indicated by ledgends, its also possible that stone structure half buried could be a tomb?, and other thought i had was a ancient dock?, i wont know for sure till i examin it more.

Ok friend hope you enjoyed the pics.....
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Arial picture of sight, with ancient bridge crossing an old channel.

[link to i41.tinypic.com]

Larger arial view, showing rock formations, Taniwha and ancient bridges, explosion sites/crators and a vocanic node, that looks like a eye?! (you can also see where the old channel used to run, it was much wider.

[link to i39.tinypic.com]
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(ill post some pictures up soon, there is a explotion site, on the other side of the lizard hill, Harmonic, quite a large creator, looks like a node or navel?)
 Quoting: Royal Assassin


possibly Ra. interesting to note what bruce cathie theorizes concerning these symmetrically near-perfect craters around the globe. rather than the result of meteor impacts, his book "the pulse of the universe: harmonic 288" alludes to the possibility that these were remnants of ancient grid instability or even nuclear warfare. on pages 49-50 he states:

Although many scientists believe that these craters ... were gouged out by giant meteors striking the earth, to date no large meteor fragments have been discovered. A fairly good scattering of a certain type of iron has been found in the vicinity of some of the holes, but the combined mass of the fragments would be only an infinitesimal fraction of the bulk required to blast out holes of such size ... I indicated in my earlier work that I believed the craters were formed by explosions from below the surface. This would have been caused by the instability of spiral geometrics within the grid system. This could have been brought about by interference with the system in the ancient past, based on advanced scientific knowledge. All the evidence being compiled in modern times indicates that at some time round eleven to twelve thousand years ago a major catastrophe occurred which caused worldwide devastation. Some of this evidence indicates most strongly that atomic-type explosions occurred at various positions on the earth's surface. An ancient war perhaps? Or were the scientists of the day overreaching themselves and carrying out experiments with the structure of matter, without being in complete control of the resulting effects?

he goes on: I said in my first work that "the force fields of the grid were naturally distorted when this happened and stresses were set up in various parts of the system. As the earth moved through space, various points in these areas of strain have lined up geometrically in relation to the solar system as a whole; the mc^2 section of the grid formula has possibly been fulfilled and a resulting explosion has taken place, with the known devastating results."
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They just discovered recently billions of dollars worth of iron, in the black sands off the coast. Ive been told the old waikato river used to empty out at manukau heads(futher up the coast), Iron there two, within the sand, for miles out to sea.

The waiuku steel mill was rumured to close down few years ago, now...there is talk of building an other steel mill in the region, major campanys have already started the survaying, and consultation with local iwi to mine it.

[link to www.stuff.co.nz]

Iron in the fire

Ready to think big? Well here is one project you won't have heard about. Forget coal, gold and oil, New Zealand's traditional resource strengths. Forget even the rare earth metals that Energy and Resources Minister Gerry Brownlee was recently getting his tongue in a twist about when proposing the opening up of Schedule Four conservation land for possible mining.

Instead, think iron. Think a $30 billion a year, country- transforming, export business.

We have black sand just sitting out to sea all along the North Island's west coast, from Wanganui to Auckland - 10 billion tonnes at least, the experts say. This ironsand came spewing out of our coastal volcanoes. Plenty more washed down the Waikato River from the volcanoes inland. And now, with China expecting to double its iron and steel consumption over the next decade, could be the moment to harvest it.


Interestingly I found a possible connection to King Nebuchadnezzar's dream, the one where the statue was hit by a rock, the feet, were made out of Iron and clay, the feet on the statue could symbolize its foundation/old world order?.

An other possible referance in biblical revalations is the beast that stands with one foot on land, and one in the sea, from space new zealand looks like two foot prints, one of them foot prints was once underwater(north island), the statue could represent the old world order before it was brought down by an object strikeing the feet(new zealand?). The one foot in the water, could indicate a time period.

Sea in biblical symbology, means a muiltitude of people, resonateing with the evidance that suggest there was a muilty cultural sociaty living here in the past.

biblical Prophacy seems to me, to be a history lesson.........encorperateing the law of everything has a opposite, and can be seen in contrust between two points, yin/yang.

And History is prophacy, His-story.......

many things are mirrored, muiltydimentional.

Being very windy around here lately, good for sending up kites, mind threads traveling on the wind.........


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There is a pyramid in Christchurch too. Pyramid Hill? is it called? It was an obvious pyramid to me. And also in the Northland near Taheke. There was a civilisation long ago made pyramids even could form faces in the Cliffs. I see the same ones here in Australia as I saw at Onehunga. Our history is nowhere near what we are taught. That is just the physical stuff. But what of our consciousness history which does not show itself too much in fossils. I saw a city of light near the Kaipara harbour. Light beings lived in these, maybe it was lost lemuria. There were many Pa s here too.
Just shows history is nothing like we think. A shaman was a time traveller and his or her dreaming was the revelation.
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Hi angelman, thankyou very interesting, I have a interest in ancient pa sites, have visited quite a few around here, located hundreds more around the country, there are thousands identified ancient pa sites, and many more lost to the ruggered terrain.

Ive seen a pyramid on the way to auckland airport, sitting in the middle of an industrial area, thousands of people pass it everyday, I wonder why nobody notices it. When i first saw it, i was damm, thats a pyramid........then on the otherside of the auckland air port, there are the remains of a stone settlement....with stone walls the like found in scotland and england etc, both of theses site are easyly distingishable on google earth.

But what of our consciousness history which does not show itself too much in fossils
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I think that info is recorded in Maori history, in the THE Nights of PO, a record of The age of darkness, subconsouse/unseen?.

[link to www.sacred-texts.com]

The history before the first dawn when there was no sun, no light...... which also resonates with the bible verse

"God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness." Genesis 1:4

Could also represent the serperation between consousness and sub-consouseness, and the fall of man from the garden of eden, where the Tree, T, t, x marks the spot, in the middle of the garden stands?

So its possible this conscouse that we are aware of now, has its roots/birth in the sub-consouse, these other dimentions?.

Its a long shot i know, but hay, just a thought.....good to hear from you angleman

hf
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Heres a pic of that pyramid near auckland airport!

Does that look like a pyramid or what?

[link to i41.tinypic.com]
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Ok pic not showing up again my end(dam dial up lol), will try again tommaro.

Tauranga, got your message and will ring you tommaro morning :)

Have a good evening all

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Pyramid near auckland airport

[link to i39.tinypic.com] (there we go)

view from nearby motor way, where thousands pass the pyramid structure every day!.

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Does anyone have any idear what this could be?, or seen anything similar, found this structure near pakau mountain further down river, the mountain has a legend of a Gient bird who was being riden by a man from up north, the wing of the bird hit the mountain causeing a spring to spring forth, which runs down the mountain via stream and waterfalls, into the waikato river.

Came accros this when exploring the other day, as mentioned earlier.

[link to i44.tinypic.com]
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Regarding Hawaii, I have e-mail contact with an other GLPer friend who lives there, she has told me many interesting things about the place, i wont reveal her name, but i have sent her a link and invitation to this thread, hopefully she will join us in the future.....

Some selected copy and paste info from conversations.

"Here on the north shore of Kaua'i, at the end of the road, there is a small stretch of land called Haena... It was once considered so sacred that if you were not Alii or invited, it meant instant death. And here, at the edge of the Napali coast were the Hula and Geneaology schools. The Hula school was at Ke'e beach beneath Makana peak. Makana means 'gift' and this peak was named for the 'gift of life'. It is said that that is because it is the very spot where Io first placed man & woman (Adam & Eve) on the earth."

"Several years ago, I met a Hawaiian Kahuna. His 'specialty' is in carving Tiki. More than just an art form, they are 'charged' with 'magic'. He took me to a place at the foot of Mount Waialeale, the wettest spot on earth, called 'Work of Righteousness'. It totally felt like sacred ground! That was where he told me about the Hawaiian connection with Egypt and India"


"I've also read a bit of Max Freedom Long's research on the Huna code which has been found imbedded in almost every language - especially Egyptian and Hebrew. Then there are also words in both Hebrew and Hawaiian that are almost identical in pronunciation and meaning."

"Seems to me, it's also time to delve a little deeper into the mysteries of Hebrew Kabbalah! The Hebrew language itself is has many layers of meaning. It's the most unique language on earth. Each letter has a meaning so that, each word has both the common usage meaning and then, when you take the meanings of each letter, they form a sentence and even deeper still, each letter has a corresponding number with further corresponding meanings, thus each word is also an equation.

And now for something REALLY off the wall - there are other, more modern things about Kaua'i that only those who live here really know about. This is where the computer control room for the military's 'Star Wars' program is located and HAARP as well. 10 stories underground on the top of Kokee, the edge of Wiamea Canyon. In the 80's, a giant tunneling machine was brought in - heaven only knows how extensive the underground network now is. There is a underground/underwater base here - access is along the Napali coast at Melelee. No roads or trails -the only way to get to the location is by boat or kayak. Now for the really weird stuff - this has been confirmed to me by exmilitary that have been deep inside the base - it's more than just an international base - think, 'Lilo & Stitch' meets 'Men in Black'.

Don't know how all that weaves into the rest but, the government sure thinks this place is special and for more reasons than pretty sunsets.

Another thing, I met an archeaologist several years ago who was very excited as he'd been called here to investigate a find near the center of the island. He couldn't tell me what it was but did say that when made public, it would rewrite history. Never saw or heard from him again. However, I have heard stories about caves where the artifacts discovered were so in conflict with what we think we know, that they were immediately sealed back up.

Just throwing all this out there like puzzle pieces to see if we can fit them together somehow. :)"[/i
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---snipped quotes---

They just discovered recently billions of dollars worth of iron, in the black sands off the coast. Ive been told the old waikato river used to empty out at manukau heads(futher up the coast), Iron there two, within the sand, for miles out to sea.

The waiuku steel mill was rumured to close down few years ago, now...there is talk of building an other steel mill in the region, major campanys have already started the survaying, and consultation with local iwi to mine it.

[link to www.stuff.co.nz]

Iron in the fire

Ready to think big? Well here is one project you won't have heard about. Forget coal, gold and oil, New Zealand's traditional resource strengths. Forget even the rare earth metals that Energy and Resources Minister Gerry Brownlee was recently getting his tongue in a twist about when proposing the opening up of Schedule Four conservation land for possible mining.

Instead, think iron. Think a $30 billion a year, country- transforming, export business.

We have black sand just sitting out to sea all along the North Island's west coast, from Wanganui to Auckland - 10 billion tonnes
at least, the experts say. This ironsand came spewing out of our coastal volcanoes. Plenty more washed down the Waikato River from the volcanoes inland. And now, with China expecting to double its iron and steel consumption over the next decade, could be the moment to harvest it.


Interestingly I found a possible connection to King Nebuchadnezzar's dream, the one where the statue was hit by a rock, the feet, were made out of Iron and clay, the feet on the statue could symbolize its foundation/old world order?.

An other possible referance in biblical revalations is the beast that stands with one foot on land, and one in the sea, from space new zealand looks like two foot prints, one of them foot prints was once underwater(north island), the statue could represent the old world order before it was brought down by an object strikeing the feet(new zealand?). The one foot in the water, could indicate a time period.

Sea in biblical symbology, means a muiltitude of people, resonateing with the evidance that suggest there was a muilty cultural sociaty living here in the past.

biblical Prophacy seems to me, to be a history lesson.........encorperateing the law of everything has a opposite, and can be seen in contrust between two points, yin/yang.

And History is prophacy, His-story.......

many things are mirrored, muiltydimentional.

Being very windy around here lately, good for sending up kites, mind threads traveling on the wind.........


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WOwwww THAT is the Bezerk CHINA -NZ connection !!!!!!
Thank you !!!!
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Heres a pic of that pyramid near auckland airport!

Does that look like a pyramid or what?

[link to i41.tinypic.com]
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yes it does looks like a step-pyramid ...
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Does anyone have any idear what this could be?, or seen anything similar, found this structure near pakau mountain further down river, the mountain has a legend of a Gient bird who was being riden by a man from up north, the wing of the bird hit the mountain causeing a spring to spring forth, which runs down the mountain via stream and waterfalls, into the waikato river.

Came accros this when exploring the other day, as mentioned earlier.

[link to i44.tinypic.com]
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Giant bird and rider sounds like ancient UFO .... the explosion cracked the mountain open where an internal spring could stream outside ....

just my 2c ...
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Regarding Hawaii, I have e-mail contact with an other GLPer friend who lives there, she has told me many interesting things about the place, i wont reveal her name, but i have sent her a link and invitation to this thread, hopefully she will join us in the future.....

Some selected copy and paste info from conversations.

"Here on the north shore of Kaua'i, at the end of the road, there is a small stretch of land called Haena... It was once considered so sacred that if you were not Alii or invited, it meant instant death. And here, at the edge of the Napali coast were the Hula and Geneaology schools. The Hula school was at Ke'e beach beneath Makana peak. Makana means 'gift' and this peak was named for the 'gift of life'. It is said that that is because it is the very spot where Io first placed man & woman (Adam & Eve) on the earth."

"Several years ago, I met a Hawaiian Kahuna. His 'specialty' is in carving Tiki. More than just an art form, they are 'charged' with 'magic'. He took me to a place at the foot of Mount Waialeale, the wettest spot on earth, called 'Work of Righteousness'. It totally felt like sacred ground! That was where he told me about the Hawaiian connection with Egypt and India"


"I've also read a bit of Max Freedom Long's research on the Huna code which has been found imbedded in almost every language - especially Egyptian and Hebrew. Then there are also words in both Hebrew and Hawaiian that are almost identical in pronunciation and meaning."

"Seems to me, it's also time to delve a little deeper into the mysteries of Hebrew Kabbalah! The Hebrew language itself is has many layers of meaning. It's the most unique language on earth. Each letter has a meaning so that, each word has both the common usage meaning and then, when you take the meanings of each letter, they form a sentence and even deeper still, each letter has a corresponding number with further corresponding meanings, thus each word is also an equation.

And now for something REALLY off the wall - there are other, more modern things about Kaua'i that only those who live here really know about. This is where the computer control room for the military's 'Star Wars' program is located and HAARP as well. 10 stories underground on the top of Kokee, the edge of Wiamea Canyon. In the 80's, a giant tunneling machine was brought in - heaven only knows how extensive the underground network now is. There is a underground/underwater base here - access is along the Napali coast at Melelee. No roads or trails -the only way to get to the location is by boat or kayak. Now for the really weird stuff - this has been confirmed to me by exmilitary that have been deep inside the base - it's more than just an international base - think, 'Lilo & Stitch' meets 'Men in Black'.

Don't know how all that weaves into the rest but, the government sure thinks this place is special and for more reasons than pretty sunsets.

Another thing, I met an archeaologist several years ago who was very excited as he'd been called here to investigate a find near the center of the island. He couldn't tell me what it was but did say that when made public, it would rewrite history. Never saw or heard from him again. However, I have heard stories about caves where the artifacts discovered were so in conflict with what we think we know, that they were immediately sealed back up.

Just throwing all this out there like puzzle pieces to see if we can fit them together somehow. :)"[/i
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The Anunaki are the ones that created (genetical engenering) Adam and Eve ... They added DNA to the matriacal DNA already existing on this planet (the X-chromosome) .... They came from a very WET planet themselves, that is why all saga's and tales about them are connected with WATER.

'Planet of crossing' , is not only a reference to a planet that CROSSES our solarsystem every 3,600 years.... but also they CROSSED (mixed) the X-chromosome and existing DNA of living species here on Earth. So the X has layers of meanings ;)

More in this link : [link to www.greatdreams.com]

WETLAND snip :
" From Zechariah Sitchin's book 'The Cosmic Code', we find on page 42, "There was a time, the Sumerians told, when civilized Man was not yet on Earth, when animals were only wild and undomesticated and crops were not yet cultivated. At that long-ago time there arrived on Earth a group of fifty Anunnaki. Led by a leadere whose name was E.A. (meaning "whose home in water"), they journeyed from their home planet NIBIRU ("Planet of crossing") and reaching Earth, splashed down in the waters of the Persian Gulf. A text known to scholars as the 'myth" of EA and the Earth describes how that group waded ashore, finding themselves in a marshland. Their first task was to drain the marshes, clear river channels, check out food sources (found to be fish and fowl). They then began to make bricks from the clay of the soil and established the first ever settlement on Earth by extraterrestrials. They named the habitat ERIDU, which meant "Home in the Farawa" or "Home away from home." That name is the origin of the name "earth" in soem of the oldest languages. The time: 445,000 years ago. "



EGYPT - Hebrew (Max Freedom) & sacret GRID snip:
" Zechariah Sitchin, in his book 'The Stairway to Heaven', on page 296 states: "Somewhere along the 'Line of Jerusalem', the central flight line that was anchored on Mount Ararat, the Spaceport itself had to be located. There too, the final beacon had to be located. "Mount Sinai, in the center of the desert."

It is here, we suggest, that the dividing line which we now call the Thirtieth Parallel (north) had come into play.

We know from Sumerian astronomical texts that the skies enveloping Earth, were so divided as to separate the northern 'way' (allotted to Enlil) from the southern 'way' (allotted to EA) with a wide central band considered the 'Way of Anu'. It is only natural to assume that a dividing line between the two rival brothers should also have been established AFTER the deluge when the settled Earth was divided into the Four Regions, and that, as in pre-Diluvial times, the Thirtieth Parallels (north and south) served as demarcation lines.

Was it mere coincidence, or a deliberate compromise between the two brothers and their feuding descendants, that in each of the three regions given to Mankind, the sacred city was located on the Thirtieth Parallel?

The Sumerian texts state that "When Kingship is lowered from Heaven" after the Deluge, "Kingship was in Eridu." Eridu was situation astride the Thirtieth Parallel as close to it as the marshy waters of the Persian Gulf permitted. While the administrative-secular center of Sumer shifted from time to time, Eridu remained a sacred city for all time.

The sanctity of the Thirtieth Parallel must be traced back to the Sacred Grid, when the divine measurers determined the location of the pyramids of Giza, also on the Thirtieth Parallel. Could the gods have given up this 'sanctity' or neutrality of the Thirtieth Parallel when it came to their most vital installation - The Spaceport - in their own Fourth Region, in the Sinai peninsula? "



BIRD snip & PLACE OF WELL BEING (?Hula & Makana?) snip :
"Each of these pre-Diluvial settlements in Mesopotamia had a specific function, revealed by its name.

First was E.RI.DU - "House Faraway Built" the gold extracting facility by the water's edge, which for all time remained Ea's Mesopotamian abode.

Next came BAD.TIBIRA - "Bright Place Where the Ores Are Made Final" - the metallurgical center for smelting and refining.

Next LA.RA.AK - "Seeing the Bright glow" - was a beacon-city to guide the landing shuttlecraft.

SIPPAR - "Bird City" - was the Landing Place

SHU.RUP.PAK - "the place of Utmost Well Being" - was equipped as a medical center; it was put in charge of SUD ("She Who Resuscitates") a half-sister of both Enki and Enlil."



Your line : considered so sacred that if you were not Alii or invited, it meant instant death, sounds like the technology of the Anunaki, like the 'Arch of the Covenant' ... only "not leathal" to special priests and insiders ....


Such "underwater-base facilities" are also on other places on the globe ... we discused them in the Bezerk-thread.
If you like I can dig up the link to the articles ... :)


Its not an to big puzzle, it is all leading back to the LORDS that interfered with Earth when their planet crossed our solarsystem every 3,600 years ... the Anunaki.
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Does anyone have any idear what this could be?, or seen anything similar, found this structure near pakau mountain further down river, the mountain has a legend of a Gient bird who was being riden by a man from up north, the wing of the bird hit the mountain causing a spring to spring forth, which runs down the mountain via stream and waterfalls, into the waikato river.

Came across this when exploring the other day, as mentioned earlier.

[link to i44.tinypic.com]
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Giant bird and rider sounds like ancient UFO .... the explosion cracked the mountain open where an internal spring could stream outside ....

just my 2c ...
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Hi Krispy71

Ya I was thinking along the same lines, with other creators, and giants in the regions history, your 2c could be worth a whole lot more :)

I want to reply to your last post, which i find interesting, but i have to find the related info first, until then, have a good one.

Ra
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P.S

Tauranga, should be back within the next couple of days :)
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Does anyone have any idear what this could be?, or seen anything similar, found this structure near pakau mountain further down river, the mountain has a legend of a Gient bird who was being riden by a man from up north, the wing of the bird hit the mountain causing a spring to spring forth, which runs down the mountain via stream and waterfalls, into the waikato river.

Came across this when exploring the other day, as mentioned earlier.

[link to i44.tinypic.com]
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Giant bird and rider sounds like ancient UFO .... the explosion cracked the mountain open where an internal spring could stream outside ....

just my 2c ...
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Hi Krispy71

Ya I was thinking along the same lines, with other creators, and giants in the regions history, your 2c could be worth a whole lot more :)

I want to reply to your last post, which i find interesting, but i have to find the related info first, until then, have a good one.

Ra
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Great !
Many creators and giants are the same ones talked about,
everywhere on the globe are evidences found in writings, paintings and bones or other things.

It is certainly interresting to look at them and discus them ... its even fun doing it ...lol...



Thanx RA,
I am looking foreward to it :D
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I am finding this all very interesting seeing that my great great grandfather drowned in the waikato at Tuakai and his body never found. I was wondering recently about those sands as we have Black sands in OZ for Rutile and ilminite. It looks like that stuff there. I have found a mention of a 8foot tall native here in the early days where I live and I still consider he came here with the waitaha. I have noticed that payrmid near the airport. My plans to go there seem to be on hold at the moment.
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Hello everyone,

Finally back, man have i got alot of catching up to do!

Awesome dots being connected here!

What a team!
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The Case for Prehistoric Civilisations in New Zealand

For many years a small but dedicated group of archaeologists and researchers have been exploring one of New Zealand’s most taboo subjects –the question of whether or not settlements existed in New Zealand prior to the arrival of the “first canoes” of the Maori. While thanks in part to their work, the fact that New Zealand was populated prior to the arrival of Maori settlers has now been well established (despite the reluctance of some people to acknowledge it), the discovery in 1874 of an ancient carved tree stump is potentially the most important archeological “anomaly”ever found in this country. The reason? It could be 150,000 years old.

THERE is a problem with official NZ history. While orthodox NZ historians continue to insist that NZ was uninhabited prior to the arrival of the Maori, at the same time they acknowledge the fact that virtually every other important island in the South Pacific bears lasting evidence of deeply ancient “megalithic”(carved huge standing stone) civilisations. From the famous “Ring Road” of Rarotonga to the gorgeous megalithic artefacts on Tonga and the standing statues of Easter Island –all bear witness to an advanced civilisation that roamed the Pacific, established settlements and left behind not only clues, but monuments. Orthodox historians still contend, however, that somehow New Zealand missed out on these ancient explorations and settlements and was ignored by these peoples in their wanderings around the Pacific –even though megalith evidence has been found here as well, and verified by some of NZ’s most distinguished scholars of the 19th century. J Macmillan Brown in his seminal work Maori and Polynesian remarked on the discovery of not one but two “Stonehenge” type arrays here, in Ateamuri (near Lake Taupo) and the Bay of Islands.After a brief moment or two of national debate, 19th Century New Zealanders got on with other things, and these discoveries were subsequently ignored. Orthodox NZ historians, like so many others in so many other disciplines, have a huge investment in “established” knowledge, and it is very difficult for actual facts to overturn a deeply held mindset. Indeed, one would seriously wonder how ancient peoples managed to miss a couple of islands as big as ours, while at the same time locating and populating and extensively traveling among many islands infinitely smaller than NZ all over the Pacific. But let us remember, after all, a long history of academics selecting only “facts” and material that fit their preconceived perceptions while ignoring and/or discarding those which do not fit with the prevailing paradigm of their time.


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There is an alternative history of NZ to the official one, and it often shows up in material evidence discarded by those who cannot come to accept the validity of that material evidence when it is at variance with their own prior beliefs. There are many other clues to this alternative history of ancient New Zealand and regardless of how they are ignored, they continue to murmur away quietly in the corner of our awareness. Some are found in the myths, legends and carvings of the Waitaha, in which we see the history of a nation composed of 200 Iwi who arrived in NZ in the 2nd century AD.Note that this settlement precedes that of the Polynesian Maori Iwi by 1000 years –this warrior race from the Polynesian islands having arrived during the years 1250 to 1350 AD. But most intriguingly, the story of the Waitaha Nation also contains reference to other people living in New Zealand before their arrival.

Were these “Waitaha” legends the only references to pre-Maori NZ settlements, we could probably safely ignore them. However, when coupled with hundreds of other tantalising examples along the same lines, we begin to suspect a deliberate “cleansing” and shaping of history to satisfy a specific agenda.

More Evidence Still
For the serious and honest researcher into pre-Maori settlement of New Zealand, there is another tantalising piece of evidence in the little-known canal systems of the North and South Islands. I have made measurements from aerial photographs of a site near the Awanui River in Northland and estimate that there are more than 200 km of interconnected canals or waterways. Measuring 2 metres across and up to 1.5 metres deep, it is estimated that more than 25 million baskets of spoil, weighing out an average of 40 kilos each, had been moved.

This would be on a scale comparable to the massive similar excavations accomplished by the ancient Mayan civilisation in the Yucatan. While we are completely unsure how ancient this canal system is, or who made it, orthodox NZ archaeologists and historians are beginning to acknowledge that there may be something yet to the pre-Maori “theory”.
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• Pollen dating, used effectively as a dating method overseas, is now used in New Zealand, and according to an article in the New Zealand Herald 26th June 1999: “…Recent analysis of pollen samples and ash found in peat cores taken from Motutapu Island, backed by radiocarbon dating, suggests that deforestation (attributable to the felling and clearing by man) occurred there at least as early as 1200 BP. (BP represents before present at a date set as the year 1950). This means that perhaps the first millennium dawn chorus (of birds) did have a human audience…The implications, if these findings are substantiated, are profound and the reverberations in the archaeological ampitheatre are likely to be similar to those caused by the discovery in the South Island of bones of the native kiore (rat) dating to about 2000 BP.”

From the Wellington Dominion 24th July 1999: “Pollen ‘shows early Maori arrival’.” “Evidence from fossilised pollen suggested Maori could have arrived in New Zealand before the time of Christ –up to 2500 years ago –a Massey University expert said yesterday. “Massey geographer John Flenley, an expert in palynology –the use of fossil pollen to detect human impact –said there was pollen evidence that would be at odds with latest findings. (Reference to the recent dating of Moa bone fragments by Highman to 700 years.) Vegetation changes in New Zealand, possible indications of early human presence, could place settlements in New Zealand as far back as 2500 years.” The headline in the Dominion 23rd July 1999, read: “Humans ‘could have come and gone’ 2000 years ago.”
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“The controversial belief that the first people landed in New Zealand about 2000 years ago has been upheld by new evidence in a paper by Christchurch fossil researcher Richard Holdaway. “Dr Holdaway says that the presence of a population of kiore (native rat) implies a visit –of whatever duration –by humans and he stands by his radiocarbon dating conclusion that rat populations were established in the North and South Islands “contemporaneously” at between AD50 and AD150.” New Zealand Listener 13th April 1951. “New Zealand Cave drawings in Danger. –An article on the study of South Island rock drawings by Dutch artist, Theo Schoon, and the deterioration of sites.” “…The photographs that he (Schoon) sent me …. show me that the paintings date for the most part from before the arrival of the Maoris –the work perhaps of a Moa hunting people who were completely exterminated by the anthropophagous Maori shortly before the year 1000 of our era.”

An article, “Legends Tell of Tribes who Came Before the Fleet”, appeared in the Auckland Star, 27th September 1957: “As every schoolboy is supposed to know, Kupe discovered New Zealand about AD 950, and found it unoccupied. “Researchers of the caliber of the late Sir Peter Buck throw doubts on this story that Kupe found New Zealand unoccupied. They have unfolded legends, which assert that Kupe did, in fact, see many signs of habitation. “Certainly by the time the Toi expedition arrived a century or two later (c1150 AD) there was no lack of inhabitants in New Zealand. They were so numerous, say the legends, that the followers of Toi spoke of them as ‘ants.

“The ‘human ants’ whom Toi discovered were given the name of Tangata Whenua, the ‘first comers’. Where they came from, we can only guess. They settled on many points of the North Island, and their numbers were such that they pre-fixed the word “tini”, meaning “myriad”, to their family name. The people of Tini-e-Maruiwi were the “human ants” whom Toi found on the Tamaki Isthmus (Auckland).

“When the Great Fleet arrived two centuries later, there was great surprise at the extent of the Tangata Whenua population at Tamaki: they were even more surprised at the pattern of their defences on the volcanic hills that dotted the isthmus. It was something entirely different from the Maori of the Fleet. They had never seen anything quite like this in their homeland islands.”
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“The controversial belief that the first people landed in New Zealand about 2000 years ago has been upheld by new evidence in a paper by Christchurch fossil researcher Richard Holdaway. “Dr Holdaway says that the presence of a population of kiore (native rat) implies a visit –of whatever duration –by humans and he stands by his radiocarbon dating conclusion that rat populations were established in the North and South Islands “contemporaneously” at between AD50 and AD150.” New Zealand Listener 13th April 1951. “New Zealand Cave drawings in Danger. –An article on the study of South Island rock drawings by Dutch artist, Theo Schoon, and the deterioration of sites.” “…The photographs that he (Schoon) sent me …. show me that the paintings date for the most part from before the arrival of the Maoris –the work perhaps of a Moa hunting people who were completely exterminated by the anthropophagous Maori shortly before the year 1000 of our era.”

An article, “Legends Tell of Tribes who Came Before the Fleet”, appeared in the Auckland Star, 27th September 1957: “As every schoolboy is supposed to know, Kupe discovered New Zealand about AD 950, and found it unoccupied. “Researchers of the caliber of the late Sir Peter Buck throw doubts on this story that Kupe found New Zealand unoccupied. They have unfolded legends, which assert that Kupe did, in fact, see many signs of habitation. “Certainly by the time the Toi expedition arrived a century or two later (c1150 AD) there was no lack of inhabitants in New Zealand. They were so numerous, say the legends, that the followers of Toi spoke of them as ‘ants.

“The ‘human ants’ whom Toi discovered were given the name of Tangata Whenua, the ‘first comers’. Where they came from, we can only guess. They settled on many points of the North Island, and their numbers were such that they pre-fixed the word “tini”, meaning “myriad”, to their family name. The people of Tini-e-Maruiwi were the “human ants” whom Toi found on the Tamaki Isthmus (Auckland).
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That's all very interesting, but how did they survive this?

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The paradigm changes

Although the earliest dates of human habitation in NZ (as well as various other places around the Pacific) are being slowly pushed back as the evidence continues to emerge, there is much more evidence still that remains in museum basements and storage facilities, and will never see the light of a display cabinet. This is because much of it is of a nature that cannot be explained, and therefore remains hidden from view. However, while we are aware of many such artefacts, there is nothing thus far discovered as utterly intriguing as the 1874 discovery of a carved tree stump together with its carving implement –the age of which defies not only the accepted paradigm but almost the imagination itself.

The actual tree stump itself was discovered near Albert Park in Auckland, while the workmen were excavating for the library at the University. It was found under 25 feet (8+ metres) of sediment, together with a stone implement which was presumably used to carve it. The discovery was duly noted in both scholarly and popular journals of the time. It was unremarkable save for the fact that lying undisturbed under 8 metres of sediment meant that it would have to be very, very old. Perhaps, as some experts have noted, more than 150,000 years old. Unfortunately, this discovery was not considered important enough to merit its preservation and got “lost”. Neither the implement nor the stump was ever mentioned again in the literature.