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MYSTERIES of ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND and THE PACIFIC

 
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There you go... on this page:
Thread: SHARE INFO and VIDS HERE-NIBIRU!!! POLE SHIFT(S),CHESIRE MOON,SECOND SUN/ MOON,ANOMALIES of SUN,MOON,STARS,PLANETS,NEUMAYER ,INUIT WARNINGS (Page 26)
you must have just missed it. :-)
This 'reality' is a holographic simulation. It exists only in your mind, but all your senses tell you otherwise. It is a prison controlled and created by the annunaki, but the walls are falling and people are waking. Thread: Hello Gods and Goddesses (Page 140)
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Sorry i must have missed one of your posts, i will go and get it.

Thanks una.
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Cheers! I actually feel it is a good thing for us fellow kiwis to link up. Nothing is ever by chance.
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So sorry, i had missed two of your posts.

Got your number, so delete it now..
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Cheers! I actually feel it is a good thing for us fellow kiwis to link up. Nothing is ever by chance.
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Yes i agree. I would love to meet more likeminded kiwi GLPers. Hope some of us can get together soon.

Love to you sister xo
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“The controversial belief that the first people landed in New Zealand about 2000 years ago has been upheld by new evidence in a paper by Christchurch fossil researcher Richard Holdaway. “Dr Holdaway says that the presence of a population of kiore (native rat) implies a visit –of whatever duration –by humans and he stands by his radiocarbon dating conclusion that rat populations were established in the North and South Islands “contemporaneously” at between AD50 and AD150.” New Zealand Listener 13th April 1951. “New Zealand Cave drawings in Danger. –An article on the study of South Island rock drawings by Dutch artist, Theo Schoon, and the deterioration of sites.” “…The photographs that he (Schoon) sent me …. show me that the paintings date for the most part from before the arrival of the Maoris –the work perhaps of a Moa hunting people who were completely exterminated by the anthropophagous Maori shortly before the year 1000 of our era.”

An article, “Legends Tell of Tribes who Came Before the Fleet”, appeared in the Auckland Star, 27th September 1957: “As every schoolboy is supposed to know, Kupe discovered New Zealand about AD 950, and found it unoccupied. “Researchers of the caliber of the late Sir Peter Buck throw doubts on this story that Kupe found New Zealand unoccupied. They have unfolded legends, which assert that Kupe did, in fact, see many signs of habitation. “Certainly by the time the Toi expedition arrived a century or two later (c1150 AD) there was no lack of inhabitants in New Zealand. They were so numerous, say the legends, that the followers of Toi spoke of them as ‘ants.

“The ‘human ants’ whom Toi discovered were given the name of Tangata Whenua, the ‘first comers’. Where they came from, we can only guess. They settled on many points of the North Island, and their numbers were such that they pre-fixed the word “tini”, meaning “myriad”, to their family name. The people of Tini-e-Maruiwi were the “human ants” whom Toi found on the Tamaki Isthmus (Auckland).
 Quoting: Tauranga


That's all very interesting, but how did they survive this?

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4675147

(from my view)

The best way they could, they did what they had to do, includeing the acceptance of cannabilizim....which was first purely a survival tactic, weak and elderly.

Imagine the atmosphareic polution after Lake Taupo errupted, to turn the skys red in rome and china, the sun would have been blocked or obstructed for weeks possibly mounths or even couple of years, imagine the impact on natural food sources, nothing would grow, and if there were large populations here, where does the food come from?

Add that to what ever natural castraphys happened around the world at the same time, that sent hungry warriors south to NZ on the long tides, bringing a new dimention to warfare and survival.

survivaing tribes absorbed/conquored other weaker tribes in order to gain strength, women were keeped for breeding purposes, when a tribe lacked women, the rest were often eaten

Its also why kumara was known as the peace child, cause it brought peace as the people had a ready supply of food they were able to grow in an harsh enviroment, apparently kumara can be grown with a minimin level of light, makeing it ideal for such an enviroment effect by ash clouds.

Add that to the tidal waves that possibly passed through around the same time, and its a mirrical any memory has been left about them at all.

This is partly due, to the systems these ancient people had access too, that enabled them, to store large amounts of information, into pools of consousness(tribal memory), which a trained student of theses systems could access info, for the benifit of the people in makeing decisions based on natural laws in accordance to universal principles.

Knowledge was handed down from word of mouth, in chants, sounds which appare to activate relateing frequantcys relateing to the knowledge sought.

Similar sceens in the bible as moses conqoured the land of sin and the enermys they came accross, cattle, land, women, servents all added to the loot.

Sin interestingly is the Babalonain god for the moon

waitaha follow the moon......

The knowledge was keeped by the grandmothers and women slaves intergrated/captured into the many current maori tribes throughout nz.

They have also survived on a different level, of culture through out the world, the world just dosnt know it or recongnize it yet on a collective level, but the threads are there........

I guess thats the part of the purpose of this thread, to invesigate and follow them (Mysterys) threads for answers, and peace together some type of picture, why is that important, well the more we know about the past the more we can plan for the future :)

And if our past is hidden and vailed, i think its time it should be revealed.......

hf
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“The controversial belief that the first people landed in New Zealand about 2000 years ago has been upheld by new evidence in a paper by Christchurch fossil researcher Richard Holdaway. “Dr Holdaway says that the presence of a population of kiore (native rat) implies a visit –of whatever duration –by humans and he stands by his radiocarbon dating conclusion that rat populations were established in the North and South Islands “contemporaneously” at between AD50 and AD150.” New Zealand Listener 13th April 1951. “New Zealand Cave drawings in Danger. –An article on the study of South Island rock drawings by Dutch artist, Theo Schoon, and the deterioration of sites.” “…The photographs that he (Schoon) sent me …. show me that the paintings date for the most part from before the arrival of the Maoris –the work perhaps of a Moa hunting people who were completely exterminated by the anthropophagous Maori shortly before the year 1000 of our era.”

An article, “Legends Tell of Tribes who Came Before the Fleet”, appeared in the Auckland Star, 27th September 1957: “As every schoolboy is supposed to know, Kupe discovered New Zealand about AD 950, and found it unoccupied. “Researchers of the caliber of the late Sir Peter Buck throw doubts on this story that Kupe found New Zealand unoccupied. They have unfolded legends, which assert that Kupe did, in fact, see many signs of habitation. “Certainly by the time the Toi expedition arrived a century or two later (c1150 AD) there was no lack of inhabitants in New Zealand. They were so numerous, say the legends, that the followers of Toi spoke of them as ‘ants.

“The ‘human ants’ whom Toi discovered were given the name of Tangata Whenua, the ‘first comers’. Where they came from, we can only guess. They settled on many points of the North Island, and their numbers were such that they pre-fixed the word “tini”, meaning “myriad”, to their family name. The people of Tini-e-Maruiwi were the “human ants” whom Toi found on the Tamaki Isthmus (Auckland).
 Quoting: Tauranga


That's all very interesting, but how did they survive this?

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4675147

(from my view)

The best way they could, they did what they had to do, includeing the acceptance of cannabilizim....which was first purely a survival tactic, weak and elderly.

Imagine the atmosphareic polution after Lake Taupo errupted, to turn the skys red in rome and china, the sun would have been blocked or obstructed for weeks possibly mounths or even couple of years, imagine the impact on natural food sources, nothing would grow, and if there were large populations here, where does the food come from?

Add that to what ever natural castraphys happened around the world at the same time, that sent hungry warriors south to NZ on the long tides, bringing a new dimention to warfare and survival.

survivaing tribes absorbed/conquored other weaker tribes in order to gain strength, women were keeped for breeding purposes, when a tribe lacked women, the rest were often eaten

Its also why kumara was known as the peace child, cause it brought peace as the people had a ready supply of food they were able to grow in an harsh enviroment, apparently kumara can be grown with a minimin level of light, makeing it ideal for such an enviroment effect by ash clouds.

Add that to the tidal waves that possibly passed through around the same time, and its a mirrical any memory has been left about them at all.

This is partly due, to the systems these ancient people had access too, that enabled them, to store large amounts of information, into pools of consousness(tribal memory), which a trained student of theses systems could access info, for the benifit of the people in makeing decisions based on natural laws in accordance to universal principles.

Knowledge was handed down from word of mouth, in chants, sounds which appare to activate relateing frequantcys relateing to the knowledge sought.

Similar sceens in the bible as moses conqoured the land of sin and the enermys they came accross, cattle, land, women, servents all added to the loot.

Sin interestingly is the Babalonain god for the moon

waitaha follow the moon......

The knowledge was keeped by the grandmothers and women slaves intergrated/captured into the many current maori tribes throughout nz.

They have also survived on a different level, of culture through out the world, the world just dosnt know it or recongnize it yet on a collective level, but the threads are there........

I guess thats the part of the purpose of this thread, to invesigate and follow them (Mysterys) threads for answers, and peace together some type of picture, why is that important, well the more we know about the past the more we can plan for the future :)

And if our past is hidden and vailed, i think its time it should be revealed.......



hf
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Hello ra,

Yeah times would have been terrible for the survivors of the taupo eruption.

Ross wiseman's studies have focused on the big population around taupo, that was wiped out by it.

There is much archaeological evidence of their existence before the eruption.

I have seen some of it.
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Hello ra,

Yeah times would have been terrible for the survivors of the taupo eruption.

Ross wiseman's studies have focused on the big population around taupo, that was wiped out by it.

There is much archaeological evidence of their existence before the eruption.

I have seen some of it.
 Quoting: Tauranga

Ild like to see it, one day....

Indeed, im like couple hundred miles away from Taupo, yet the oblisk found at the bombay hills(5min drive away) was found buried beneath couple meters of ash from Taupo.

I wouldnt be supprised if this event happaned at the same time as NZ north island maui's fish, rose out of the sea to some degree, also rotting seafood resourses along the new exposed coastline.

Its partly why the waikato is concidered so sacred amoungst some tribes, because it is sourced from lake taupo.

[link to www.kaimaiview.co.nz]

The Bombay Obelisk

How many of you have noticed a cluster of large stones near the Pukekohe southern off ramp at Bombay and thought - "They look like standing stones?" Well, you would be right. It took a visiting British Antiquarian to spot and draw them to Martin’s attention. These stones are obelisk boulders with ancient spiral incising and five hand hewn bullauns cut into them, and are not unique. They are part of a network of such points covering the entire Auckland isthmus – and beyond. Bullauns are Neolithic ceremonial ‘holy wells,’ used for ritualistic cleansing found in rock structures throughout ancient Europe. (later adopted by the Christian Church as baptismal fonts.)

Construction Superintendent, Nick Botica was told by advisors at the time that the tephra ash covering the obelisks and other component parts of the Bombay Hill structure came from the Taupo eruption of 186 AD – providing positive evidence that this site was last used over 1800 years ago. If the tephra is from Taupo, then there can be no doubt the intricate incising and bullaun bowls were created by humans over 1000 years before Maori arrived on these shores. The Taupo eruption is said to be the largest volcanic explosion in recorded history, the noise from which was heard in China. It’s quite possible that shock waves and ground tremors from the massive eruption toppled the standing obelisks at the Bombay Hills. Over ensuing days or weeks beyond the eruption they were covered in a blanket of volcanic ash and not found again until Nick Botica’s roading crew happened upon them in 1992.
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Hello ra,

I wan't to take you there, i hope we can organise it.
There is a guy who lives at taupo, who i went to the kaimanawa wall with. one of the first times i went there, and he knows of many things that are of interest to us.

Some folk feel that the 'wall' is the very top of a megalithic pyramid

there is much to see in that area.

There is also much to see on and around mount tauhara.

I haven't seen those archaeogical finds, but i very much desire to.

Maybe we will get the chance to do that together, with our families,some time.

We have camped near the wall, which is a very amazing thing to do. The spirits of those who perished when taupo erupted are easy to feel. They were many.
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THE CROSSHOUSE AT MIRINGA TE KAKARA…AN ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND TEMPLE.

[link to www.celticnz.co.nz]

The building, initiated by King Tawhiao's directive to Chieftainess Ngaharakeke, is said to have been completed in about 1865. Bishop Thomas Herangi, guardian of the Crosshouse up until the 1980's, cited evidence of the star temple having been built in 1682, with renovations occurring in 1788 & 1887.

The main interest in this building must lie in its geometric and measurement attributes, which code astronomical and navigational knowledge found from Egypt to Great Britain and North America.
The key to extracting the international parcel of codes lies in an understanding of the common measurement standard being used internationally by an ancient, highly mobilised migrating group, who set up colonies all over the globe. Many of these colonies appear to have begun as metal ore mining operations.
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Hello ra,

I wan't to take you there, i hope we can organise it.
There is a guy who lives at taupo, who i went to the kaimanawa wall with. one of the first times i went there, and he knows of many things that are of interest to us.

Some folk feel that the 'wall' is the very top of a megalithic pyramid

there is much to see in that area.

There is also much to see on and around mount tauhara.

I haven't seen those archaeogical finds, but i very much desire to.

Maybe we will get the chance to do that together, with our families,some time.

We have camped near the wall, which is a very amazing thing to do. The spirits of those who perished when taupo erupted are easy to feel. They were many.
 Quoting: Tauranga


Ah the wall. When I was doing land renergizing work with my starpeople, I was lead to this place. I went there and knew others would show up who had been led there as well. So we waited about 15 minutes and an older woman and her son turned up. Together the 6 of us lost 2 hours of time, unaccounted for time. It was an interesting experience for sure. I believe this is a step pyramid, just the top of it.
This 'reality' is a holographic simulation. It exists only in your mind, but all your senses tell you otherwise. It is a prison controlled and created by the annunaki, but the walls are falling and people are waking. Thread: Hello Gods and Goddesses (Page 140)
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Una,

Yeah the lost time phenomena is something that happens to others regarding the wall and te miringa, and even has happened to people travelling to those places, but then in reverse, ie the trip being way shorter than it should be.
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Una,

Yeah the lost time phenomena is something that happens to others regarding the wall and te miringa, and even has happened to people travelling to those places, but then in reverse, ie the trip being way shorter than it should be.
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Really? I did not know that. Oh thanks for that info. :-)

Never lost time at bennydale, just there.
This 'reality' is a holographic simulation. It exists only in your mind, but all your senses tell you otherwise. It is a prison controlled and created by the annunaki, but the walls are falling and people are waking. Thread: Hello Gods and Goddesses (Page 140)
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Thanks for posting OP. Polynesian history has always been a few chapters short of the truth in my reckoning. I hope info like this begins to shine some light on the distant past.

How much of the Maori culture originated from Hawaii or was it always distinctly separate?
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Hello,

The story goes that the 'waitaha nation' came to NZ around about the time of jesus, from their homeland of Easter island..
(There were others here long before them though)
Check them out..

[link to www.waitaha.org.nz]

We are Waitaha

We are Waitaha. We are the water containers of the Creator, therefore we have been imbued with the many forms of waters containing the many gifts of all that is in the Universe.

It is spoken now as it has been in our distant past. We are always here in the Universe. For there were many water containers of many forms, of many nations. We follow Rongomaraeroa the Goddess of Peace. Waitaha is older than old.
Until now we have hidden our beginnings and all that followed, in the shadows. In this way we protected our knowledge in the silence of the schools of learning. Tuatara is the keeper of knowledge. We lead you past our ever vigilant caretaker and invite you to share the words and wisdom of our ancestors. For it has been decided it is time for our treasures to be brought into the World of Light. Haere mai, nau mai.
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Hiya xen,

I am so happy that the waitaha knowledge resonates with you.

I wish i could lend you the waitaha books that i have.

Ra knows much about their stories, and alot of what he knows i do not , so i am a keen student waiting to learn more from him. Also they have released some new books that i haven't bought yet, and i can hardly wait to do so, but finances have got in the way. Hopefully i will get them soon.
Meanwhile i will learn mnre from ra.

We discussed this thread last night and have decided to concentrate on waitaha knowledge for a while now, so stay tuned to this thread, brotier

much love to you. I wish you weren't so far away, because i so want to meet you.

Imagine if you could get together with una, ra and i.
Have you ever been to nz?
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hi friend

cool, have bookmarked this thread so will be doing much reading

am currently on the website, just ordered song of waitaha and whispers of waitaha. hardly ever buy books but feel much greatness in the waitaha and am intrigued :)

have been saving my annual leave for jan or feb and would love to go to nz. have never been, getting together would be awesome. i'm willing!

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Wow you should come!

It will be easy to arrange for ra and una to come and stay at the same time, plenty of beds here.

Rickster is hopefully coming to tauranga soon too., from oz. Have you chatted with him much? He is a wonderful guy.

Man, we can organise one hell of a get together.

I will invite some US GLP buddies too.

I would also love to meet enchanted wanderer.

Re waitaha books, song of the old tides is awesome, i have it, you could read it while you are here
I cried so much while reading it, but not many sad tears, just tears of joy and other deep emotions.

Whispers of waitaha is one of the books i have yet to read, along with the grandmothers story.

The barry brailsford chronicles i also have, so you could read them while here too.

Man how exciting!
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sounds like a blast! lets do it, i can take leave from work in jan, feb or march

tears of joy are great, moving and shaking :)

am def. up for it

sweet as cuz!

(have seen rickster around, seems cool)
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sounds like a blast! lets do it, i can take leave from work in jan, feb or march

tears of joy are great, moving and shaking :)

am def. up for it

sweet as cuz!

(have seen rickster around, seems cool)
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Awesome!

Hey i just posted a question for you over on the star thread..
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Regarding Hawaii, I have e-mail contact with an other GLPer friend who lives there, she has told me many interesting things about the place, i wont reveal her name, but i have sent her a link and invitation to this thread, hopefully she will join us in the future.....

Some selected copy and paste info from conversations.

"Here on the north shore of Kaua'i, at the end of the road, there is a small stretch of land called Haena... It was once considered so sacred that if you were not Alii or invited, it meant instant death. And here, at the edge of the Napali coast were the Hula and Geneaology schools. The Hula school was at Ke'e beach beneath Makana peak. Makana means 'gift' and this peak was named for the 'gift of life'. It is said that that is because it is the very spot where Io first placed man & woman (Adam & Eve) on the earth."

"Several years ago, I met a Hawaiian Kahuna. His 'specialty' is in carving Tiki. More than just an art form, they are 'charged' with 'magic'. He took me to a place at the foot of Mount Waialeale, the wettest spot on earth, called 'Work of Righteousness'. It totally felt like sacred ground! That was where he told me about the Hawaiian connection with Egypt and India"


"I've also read a bit of Max Freedom Long's research on the Huna code which has been found imbedded in almost every language - especially Egyptian and Hebrew. Then there are also words in both Hebrew and Hawaiian that are almost identical in pronunciation and meaning."

"Seems to me, it's also time to delve a little deeper into the mysteries of Hebrew Kabbalah! The Hebrew language itself is has many layers of meaning. It's the most unique language on earth. Each letter has a meaning so that, each word has both the common usage meaning and then, when you take the meanings of each letter, they form a sentence and even deeper still, each letter has a corresponding number with further corresponding meanings, thus each word is also an equation.

And now for something REALLY off the wall - there are other, more modern things about Kaua'i that only those who live here really know about. This is where the computer control room for the military's 'Star Wars' program is located and HAARP as well. 10 stories underground on the top of Kokee, the edge of Wiamea Canyon. In the 80's, a giant tunneling machine was brought in - heaven only knows how extensive the underground network now is. There is a underground/underwater base here - access is along the Napali coast at Melelee. No roads or trails -the only way to get to the location is by boat or kayak. Now for the really weird stuff - this has been confirmed to me by exmilitary that have been deep inside the base - it's more than just an international base - think, 'Lilo & Stitch' meets 'Men in Black'.

Don't know how all that weaves into the rest but, the government sure thinks this place is special and for more reasons than pretty sunsets.

Another thing, I met an archeaologist several years ago who was very excited as he'd been called here to investigate a find near the center of the island. He couldn't tell me what it was but did say that when made public, it would rewrite history. Never saw or heard from him again. However, I have heard stories about caves where the artifacts discovered were so in conflict with what we think we know, that they were immediately sealed back up.

Just throwing all this out there like puzzle pieces to see if we can fit them together somehow. :)"[/i
 Quoting: Royal Assassin


The Anunaki are the ones that created (genetical engenering) Adam and Eve ... They added DNA to the matriacal DNA already existing on this planet (the X-chromosome) .... They came from a very WET planet themselves, that is why all saga's and tales about them are connected with WATER.

'Planet of crossing' , is not only a reference to a planet that CROSSES our solarsystem every 3,600 years.... but also they CROSSED (mixed) the X-chromosome and existing DNA of living species here on Earth. So the X has layers of meanings ;)

More in this link : [link to www.greatdreams.com]

WETLAND snip :
" From Zechariah Sitchin's book 'The Cosmic Code', we find on page 42, "There was a time, the Sumerians told, when civilized Man was not yet on Earth, when animals were only wild and undomesticated and crops were not yet cultivated. At that long-ago time there arrived on Earth a group of fifty Anunnaki. Led by a leadere whose name was E.A. (meaning "whose home in water"), they journeyed from their home planet NIBIRU ("Planet of crossing") and reaching Earth, splashed down in the waters of the Persian Gulf. A text known to scholars as the 'myth" of EA and the Earth describes how that group waded ashore, finding themselves in a marshland. Their first task was to drain the marshes, clear river channels, check out food sources (found to be fish and fowl). They then began to make bricks from the clay of the soil and established the first ever settlement on Earth by extraterrestrials. They named the habitat ERIDU, which meant "Home in the Farawa" or "Home away from home." That name is the origin of the name "earth" in soem of the oldest languages. The time: 445,000 years ago. "



EGYPT - Hebrew (Max Freedom) & sacret GRID snip:
" Zechariah Sitchin, in his book 'The Stairway to Heaven', on page 296 states: "Somewhere along the 'Line of Jerusalem', the central flight line that was anchored on Mount Ararat, the Spaceport itself had to be located. There too, the final beacon had to be located. "Mount Sinai, in the center of the desert."

It is here, we suggest, that the dividing line which we now call the Thirtieth Parallel (north) had come into play.

We know from Sumerian astronomical texts that the skies enveloping Earth, were so divided as to separate the northern 'way' (allotted to Enlil) from the southern 'way' (allotted to EA) with a wide central band considered the 'Way of Anu'. It is only natural to assume that a dividing line between the two rival brothers should also have been established AFTER the deluge when the settled Earth was divided into the Four Regions, and that, as in pre-Diluvial times, the Thirtieth Parallels (north and south) served as demarcation lines.

Was it mere coincidence, or a deliberate compromise between the two brothers and their feuding descendants, that in each of the three regions given to Mankind, the sacred city was located on the Thirtieth Parallel?

The Sumerian texts state that "When Kingship is lowered from Heaven" after the Deluge, "Kingship was in Eridu." Eridu was situation astride the Thirtieth Parallel as close to it as the marshy waters of the Persian Gulf permitted. While the administrative-secular center of Sumer shifted from time to time, Eridu remained a sacred city for all time.

The sanctity of the Thirtieth Parallel must be traced back to the Sacred Grid, when the divine measurers determined the location of the pyramids of Giza, also on the Thirtieth Parallel. Could the gods have given up this 'sanctity' or neutrality of the Thirtieth Parallel when it came to their most vital installation - The Spaceport - in their own Fourth Region, in the Sinai peninsula? "



BIRD snip & PLACE OF WELL BEING (?Hula & Makana?) snip :
"Each of these pre-Diluvial settlements in Mesopotamia had a specific function, revealed by its name.

First was E.RI.DU - "House Faraway Built" the gold extracting facility by the water's edge, which for all time remained Ea's Mesopotamian abode.

Next came BAD.TIBIRA - "Bright Place Where the Ores Are Made Final" - the metallurgical center for smelting and refining.

Next LA.RA.AK - "Seeing the Bright glow" - was a beacon-city to guide the landing shuttlecraft.

SIPPAR - "Bird City" - was the Landing Place

SHU.RUP.PAK - "the place of Utmost Well Being" - was equipped as a medical center; it was put in charge of SUD ("She Who Resuscitates") a half-sister of both Enki and Enlil."



Your line : considered so sacred that if you were not Alii or invited, it meant instant death, sounds like the technology of the Anunaki, like the 'Arch of the Covenant' ... only "not leathal" to special priests and insiders ....


Such "underwater-base facilities" are also on other places on the globe ... we discused them in the Bezerk-thread.
If you like I can dig up the link to the articles ... :)


Its not an to big puzzle, it is all leading back to the LORDS that interfered with Earth when their planet crossed our solarsystem every 3,600 years ... the Anunaki.
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hiya Krispy, very similar story here, just a note, manu means bird in maori, the wakas/canoes mentioned are flying objects, hence the name.

Pouakai, is the name of the bird(ufo) that hit the mountain where i took them pics from.

Interesting link, more connections to the kolbrin in there two :)

hf

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AN EARLIER CANOE.

After having given the Waitaha history, as outlined in the foregoing information, my informant (Tare te Maiharoa) said that though Rakaihautu was the first man to come to the South Island, yet long before his time a canoe came here bringing a number of “giants.” (See ante Mr. Cowan's remarks re former inhabitants). The traditions regarding this canoe have been lost in the mists of antiquity, the name of the canoe not having been authoritatively preserved, although some say it was called “Waka-huruhuru-manu” after the first canoe ever made. Following is what my informant had heard concerning the crew of that canoe, and it should at least provide students of South Island lore with some interesting sidelights on well-known legends. The crew of that canoe were giants and they settled in the South Island. Their names were Kopuwai, Pukutuaro, Komakohua, Te Karara-huarau and Pouakai, and others.

Kopuwai was the giant who, in an oft-told legend, swallows the Mataau (Molyneux River) in an endeavour to catch a Rapuwai woman named Kaiamio. He was afterwards turned into the Old Man Range in Central Otago, and the Maoris call those mountains “Kopuwai” to this day, and a small lake near them is called “Hapua-o-Kaiamio.” When Kopuwai was turned into stone his pack of ten two-headed dogs were dispersed and six of them took refuge in a carved cave on the riverbank in the township of Duntroon, named Ka-waikoukou. (My informant said “carved cave” but he means one covered with ancient rock-paintings, the same as Otakiroa cliff two miles away from Duntroon.) These dogs were turned into stone, and if you go to that cave you can still see their two-headed bodies sticking out of the water.

CONCERNING THE GIANTS.
Kopuwai is the best known of these gigantic beings. Of the others Pouakai is now remembered as a huge bird and the narrator said that “pouakai” was the ancient and correct name of the moa. According to the description given, Komakohua could not be regarded as gigantic, for it was a white bird the size of a domestic fowl, which lived in cliffs and peered down at passers-by. It could fly and had a sharp beak, and it has not been seen for many years. (An old woman present said she had seen them at Matau (Cape Farewell) when she was a girl, but had not heard of anyone seeing them since). Pukutuaro was a harmless monster, as far as the narrator had ever heard, and lived in a pond
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at the headwaters of the Rakaia River, but he had never heard any story connected with it or the locality. Te Karara-huarau had his abode at Taupo and Waitata in the Collingwood district and ran away with a woman known as Ruru. She got away from him but was recaptured. Her people built a house the size of Te Karara and sent for him to visit them. Ruru came overland but Karara swam round by sea. He was tired and slept sound that night and the people set fire to the house and burnt him. His cave can still be seen up near Collingwood. (Rev. Mr. Wohlers, with the sexes of Ruru and Te Kararahuarau reversed, tells the story with much detail in Trans. N.Z. Inst. Vol. VIII, pages 115-8.) 13 Before leaving the question of that ancient canoe coming to New Zealand, the collector may state that two old men in the South said to him:—“The crew of that canoe were ‘Maeroero’ and a big stone near the Owaka River is called after one of them, but the name is now lost. The crew of that canoe are said to have played on the flat top of the hill known as Tua-te-pere. Near Roger's farm at Owaka some stones stand up and the Maeroero used to come at night and sit on top of those stones and play the putara and the putorino. On Friend's farm at Owaka there is a big flat stone which is tapu because one of the Maeroero who came on ‘Te-Waka-huruhuru-manu’ used it. The ghosts would worship there and then go on to Table Hill.” We all know that when the Europeans came to Otago the Tautuku Forest was said by the Maoris to be haunted by fearsome “wild men of the woods” and they would not venture into its depths. Perhaps it originally acquired this reputation because it was the last refuge of a pre-Maori people as indicated by my informants. 14

HENARE TE MAIRE'S ACCOUNT.

The following information, supplementary to that already given, is derived from the above well-known rakatira of South Canterbury:—

Waitaha traditions say that the first home of the Maori people was in a portion of the sky, but they left this celestial region and settled on the earth in a land called Patu-nui-o-Aio. Where this land was my informant could not define—whether it was beyond Hono-i-wairua or to one side of it, but it was somewhere about there. When a man died in New Zealand his soul took flight back to Hono-i-wairua (the gathering-place of spirits), and in the tangi over him the mourners
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bade his spirit depart and go to the above ancestral home. They bade it take its flight with ‘te mano o wairua’ (the multitude (?) of spirits) to Tawhiti-nui-Tawhiti-pa-mamao, to Te Hono-i-wairua. “The Maoris used the words Tawhiti and Hawaiki for the same places, just as Europeans might call the same man either John or Jack,” said my informant. 15

After coming from the sky to earth, the Maori people moved on and came to the seashore. Here they looked at the ocean, and thought that the sky ran down into it on the horizon. They built a canoe of feathers and liberated it with incantations. It went out of sight, but was driven back through the gap between sea and sky by a storm called Uruao. A proper wooden canoe was built and called ‘Waka-huruhuru-manu’ in memory of the feather canoe. It was also sometimes called ‘Uruao,’ but that is really the name of the storm. It was the first canoe ever put on the sea (by the Maoris), but how long ago no man could say.

STAR LORE.

Another very old canoe was ‘Te Waka-o-Raki,’ and it is now represented by stars in the sky. The stars were partitioned out among various gods, and one of these sky divisions was Tautari-nui-o-Matariki (“the big department presided over by Matariki”). When the Maoris desired to become sea-farers they sent back messengers to the old home in the sky to get instruction about navigation, the seasons and kindred subjects. The stars Autahi, and its pointer Takurua, and Puaka and those under Matariki are in the east, while the Wero stars are in the west. The latter stars gave the sailing directions, while the former denoted weather and seasons. Wero-i-te-ninihi and Wero-i-te-kokota are fixed stars, but Wero-i-te-aumaria only appears between the two former occasionally. When my informant's father saw the Wero stars he recited a karakia beginning “Te ahuru nei, te mahana nei,” but my informant never learned it.
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Hello ra,

I wan't to take you there, i hope we can organise it.
There is a guy who lives at taupo, who i went to the kaimanawa wall with. one of the first times i went there, and he knows of many things that are of interest to us.

Some folk feel that the 'wall' is the very top of a megalithic pyramid

there is much to see in that area.

There is also much to see on and around mount tauhara.

I haven't seen those archaeogical finds, but i very much desire to.

Maybe we will get the chance to do that together, with our families,some time.

We have camped near the wall, which is a very amazing thing to do. The spirits of those who perished when taupo erupted are easy to feel. They were many.
 Quoting: Tauranga


That ill be awesume Tauranga......

Not sure about the whole family lol, but i know me and E will be keen.

The time phennomennin could be caused by the higher vibration/frequantcy, causeing a time merge of a sorts, an effect caused by the burried pyramid?
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hi friend

cool, have bookmarked this thread so will be doing much reading

am currently on the website, just ordered song of waitaha and whispers of waitaha. hardly ever buy books but feel much greatness in the waitaha and am intrigued :)

have been saving my annual leave for jan or feb and would love to go to nz. have never been, getting together would be awesome. i'm willing!
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Hi xen, i have a feeling your love the books of waitaha, be awesum to meet you as well, along with Una and others :)

hf
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Hello ra,

I wan't to take you there, i hope we can organise it.
There is a guy who lives at taupo, who i went to the kaimanawa wall with. one of the first times i went there, and he knows of many things that are of interest to us.

Some folk feel that the 'wall' is the very top of a megalithic pyramid

there is much to see in that area.

There is also much to see on and around mount tauhara.

I haven't seen those archaeogical finds, but i very much desire to.

Maybe we will get the chance to do that together, with our families,some time.

We have camped near the wall, which is a very amazing thing to do. The spirits of those who perished when taupo erupted are easy to feel. They were many.
 Quoting: Tauranga


That ill be awesume Tauranga......

Not sure about the whole family lol, but i know me and E will be keen.

The time phennomennin could be caused by the higher vibration/frequantcy, causeing a time merge of a sorts, an effect caused by the burried pyramid?
 Quoting: Ra 7757583


Hiya brother!

I, hope you guys had an awesome christmas.

Yes i reckon the time thing has to do with the pyramids at kaimanawa and te miringa.

And isn't exciting that xen is going to come here!

He sure will love the waitaha books.

Hey were you ever able to find any info about the tnderground rivers that come out in the ocean near chch?

Cool info that you posted last night, ra, thank you.

Could you do something for me, which is explain to folk about the spirits that we feel around us here in nz, in particular the ancient ones, at sites like kaimanawa, where many have perished in the past.
The reason i am asking you to do this, is because some people may not understand just how prevelant this phenomena is in nz. When i posted the other day,, about the strength of what i feel at kaimanawa, someone gave me red karma and called me a liar. Perhaps you can verify what i was talking about, because you and E are familiar with what i spoke about..
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Hello krispy,

I hope you find this message. Haven't heard from you for some days now and i am hoping that your mum is doing well and making a good recovery from the accident she was in.

Much love and healing being sent fron nz, dear sister.

This is for you and your family

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Hello ra,

I wan't to take you there, i hope we can organise it.
There is a guy who lives at taupo, who i went to the kaimanawa wall with. one of the first times i went there, and he knows of many things that are of interest to us.

Some folk feel that the 'wall' is the very top of a megalithic pyramid

there is much to see in that area.

There is also much to see on and around mount tauhara.

I haven't seen those archaeogical finds, but i very much desire to.

Maybe we will get the chance to do that together, with our families,some time.

We have camped near the wall, which is a very amazing thing to do. The spirits of those who perished when taupo erupted are easy to feel. They were many.
 Quoting: Tauranga


That ill be awesume Tauranga......

Not sure about the whole family lol, but i know me and E will be keen.

The time phennomennin could be caused by the higher vibration/frequantcy, causeing a time merge of a sorts, an effect caused by the burried pyramid?
 Quoting: Ra 7757583


Hiya brother!

I, hope you guys had an awesome christmas.

Yes i reckon the time thing has to do with the pyramids at kaimanawa and te miringa.

And isn't exciting that xen is going to come here!

He sure will love the waitaha books.

Hey were you ever able to find any info about the tnderground rivers that come out in the ocean near chch?

Cool info that you posted last night, ra, thank you.

Could you do something for me, which is explain to folk about the spirits that we feel around us here in nz, in particular the ancient ones, at sites like kaimanawa, where many have perished in the past.
The reason i am asking you to do this, is because some people may not understand just how prevelant this phenomena is in nz. When i posted the other day,, about the strength of what i feel at kaimanawa, someone gave me red karma and called me a liar. Perhaps you can verify what i was talking about, because you and E are familiar with what i spoke about..
 Quoting: Tauranga


Hi Tauranga, many thanks we had a good day, havent found that underground river info yet, it ill come.

Wish i could help you with your question, but i feel unqualified as i havent been to kaimanawa yet, to be able to validate what you have experianced :)

Maybe Una could help?

I suspect an association with ley lines, to the phenomenon. which could be present if there is a pyramid nearby, as alot of ancient sites were built on intersecting ley line points, hubs, etc.

hf
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Hiya ra,

I hope you have better weather than we do, today.

Heavy rain here.

Yes the river info will appear, maybe it isn't the right time, yet.

I know you haven't been to kaimanawa yet, but we have talked about feeling spirit at other places in nz, so i thought maybe you could verify that you also feel them sometimes.

Yes, thats a good idea to ask una what she has felt and observed at kaimanawa...

Una, are you around?...
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Hi xen, i have a feeling your love the books of waitaha, be awesum to meet you as well, along with Una and others :)

hf
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hey ra, am looking forward to receiving them. would be awesome indeed, cheers bro :)
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Hi Tauranga, Xen


Waitaha have an extensive indepth knowledge regarding matters of the spirit/consousness. A Tauira(student) had the opportunity to explore these levels of knowledge, catered for by the wananga of waitaha.



Te mahi Roto i Te Ao wairua

The work inside the spirit world


The whispering and singing continued, and with it the understanding and the knowing, the continuum of ancient voices singing and whispering in the rhythm of the universe. it became the very pictures of the stories being painted by the orator, by the teacher, by the grandmother and grandfather.

The melodious sounds became almost hypnotic, and with it, the very time and space seemed to call the mokopuna into the world of dreams, and the grandchild fell asleep knowing that the voices continued on, long after the eyes closed and comprehension was made of what had been said. In the sleeptime the mokopuna became the Tauira in the spirit.

The spirit of the mokopuna then became the listener and the library in such a way that the learning was seamless and safe. The catalgue of all the sounds and forms became the grandchild, who in the physical was away on the long tides of dream and yearning, while in the spirit, was active in all senses, participating in the learning roles given, and taking everything that was said and sung into the memory of the tribe. There the moko was immersed in the tribal family memory, Te Hinengaro Koropupu o Te wahingaro.

The mokopuna became the hero of the sagas specially whispered in the strong, well trained voice of the teacher of the night. It made good sense to accelerate the learning during the night time while the universal mind was working. Our elders believed that the mind at night was able to soar high, to dive deep and to fly at speed in the theatre of the universal tides.

Every opportunity must be given to them to do their best to advance their spirit in this time. Only they will know what that journey is, as it was whispered to them by the Mareikura and Whatukura while they were collecting their spirit in the sacred houses of the universe.

Nga Whare Taputapu Atea

The sacred houses of the universe


The sacred houses were situated, it was told us during the Wananga, in the twelve sacred levels of the heavens. There are thirty-six sacred houses of the Creator who carefully placed the Whare Taputapu Atea, the sacred houses of the universe, strategically on the separate levels. These houses are the markers in the night skies that hold onto the star patterns that move in their solar orbits.

Our grandparents recognised the celestial, terrestrial and universal mind libraries of the powerful mind of the individual. Thus the separations of the time of teaching during the training of the mokopuna were given careful and studied recognition.

These chosen mokopuna had exhibited known characteristics of their forbears, and in some cases individual teachers and healers of the Wananga of Waitaha.

All of these signs were observed by the teachers of the Wananga, and this behaviour was all a part of the nation's parents who contributed their observations of the children and the mokopuna as they advanced into the Wananga. After carefully checking these grandparent and parent observations, the wananga teachers and healers would then ask very pertinent questions of the mokopuna.

The answer to the questions would then help in the decisions of the teachers and healers in their ascertaining whether the grandchild was indeed the returned elder in progress along the great life and death spiral of growth.

Recongnition markers were given to the grandchild and, as these became accepted by the mokopuna, the markers were moved to include a substantial amount of information that would be added gradually along with all of the recongnition patterns in the environment. confirmation from the mokopuna of the recongition of these markers would then determine the level of the grandchild in the star journey.

There was a recongnition by our grandparent teachers that the spirit of the individual born into the families was being continually released from the spirit houses into the physical world through the birth of their mokopuna. This was the Tuituinga Wairua, the the stitching of the spirit. And through this continued stitching of the spirit it advanced the developing spirit, and through its development it then added the improvements to its body and soul. This gradual advancement of the spirit manifested itself in the abilities and talents of the grandchild who, on maturing, became a great leader for the nation.

Te Korowini, Te Korowana
The atoms, the molecules

Huhu kiri topu ana mai
the very skin of creation

kore rawa ka kitea mata e
cannot be seen by the naked eye

te korowai ihokopuni o te tai atea
the fabric of the cloak of the universe

tarwea mai ana i te rangi
rippling in the heavens

karahuri huri pena
twisting and turning like

i te niho marama
the teeth of the moon

kauru poupou mai ana
standing upright

ka titaha koa mai
then leaning slowly

te kukume kaha i
to pull strongly

te wai o rua e
the water of the spirit

mata akina ru para te hinengaro
unnerving and unravelling the senses

mehe takapu kupenga e piki heke ana
like a rising and falling mid section of a

manini, manana ana te wairua
fishing net the spirit totally unsettled.

e koru e mau
it will not catch

te ha o te korowini
the essence of the atoms

te ha o te korowana
the essence of the molecules

tuku ma te waiora
let the waters of the universe

te pupuri e...tuakiri e...
hold onto everything...tuakiri e

On and on the melodies and stories rolled: chanted, sung, spoken, whispered, cried out in anguish, and lamented in tears of pain; on and on, without let up, with huge patience, sometimes with frustration and concern, for the time periods were running together, that is, of the accelerating old age of the teacher and the length of time being taken by the mokopuna to grasp the concepts of the teachings.

Then came a sudden haunting silence. A grandmother or a grandfather, teacher, healer and friend of the trial of the mokopuna, had gone on into the Tai Atea, the tides of the universe. this was the place of the great spiral of light and darkness. It was now time to move the grandchild on into the hands, hearts and minds of the next grandparent teachers.


Whispers of Waitaha ~ Traditons of a Nation
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Hi xen, i have a feeling your love the books of waitaha, be awesum to meet you as well, along with Una and others :)

hf
 Quoting: Ra 7757583


hey ra, am looking forward to receiving them. would be awesome indeed, cheers bro :)
 Quoting: xen


cool xen, i have learnt alot from the books, still am.....

The numbers and set up, of these ancient systems are interesting.

Nga Tohatoha tapu a tangata

The sacred numbers of the chosen


nga wahine
The women

Seventy-two of the chosen eighty-four women would form the matriarchal umbrella of the matriarchal umbrella of the nation in the lands of the ocean of Kiwa Matua. These were the ones who would give birth to the future nation of Kurawaka o Waitaha.

Twelve women would be as Puhi Ariki, those who would be teachers set apart from the nation, whose life's work was to maintain the star houses of learning. Teachings tell us that they did not marry, and devoted their energie to establishing the teaching houses within the new lands.

There numbers were divided into the following family groupings: for teaching six would hold the knowledge of Kuarawaka, and six would hold the knowledge of Rakaiwaka. This was done and the great pattern was formed for this first generation and generations to come.

Nga Tane
The Men

Sixty of the chosen sisty-six men would form the patriarchal umbrella of the nation in the lands of the ocean of Kiwa. The remaining six would be the Puhi Kai ariki, the keepers of the knowledge and understanding within the star houses of learning. They were divided into the following groupings to teach into the families, three would be the Tohunga horotane o Kurawaka and three would be the Tohunga Horotane o Rakaiwaka.

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