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MYSTERIES of ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND and THE PACIFIC

 
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hi sister

thank you again for a wonderful thread

<3 <3 <3
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the pleasure is mine, dear xen.

this thread has been a true joy to create, and the constant wonderful feedback has heightened that joy.

I have to say that dear ra has been keeping it alive of late, with his awesome contributions.

he has SO much knowledge!

as do you, too xo
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thank you for the bump, AC from australia.

and i haven't forgotten my promise to baldrick, when he initially pinned this thread, that i would get on to australian ancient mysteries too.

It WILL happen.

I don't know if you are all aware of this old thread..

Thread: AUSTRALIAS Mysteries and Secrets. AYERS ROCK. The Tennant Creek - Alice Springs - Pine Gap Nexus, and more.
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a long time ago, i was asked about middle earth, on this,thread, and i feel bad that i dgdn't research it and get back to the poster who asked

Sevak muni has this thread going

Thread: Filmed Hollow Earth Entrance from MIR Space Station

all of his threads are fantastic and well worth reading
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Thanks Tauranga, Xen....

In regards to Orion links.....



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Kurawaka: elder whanau who are the thnkers, planners, leaders.

Rakaiwaka: these are the investigators, researchers, contractors.

Pakauwaka: these are the knowledge keepers and the dreamers for the nation.

These names were taken from the star pattern that forms the Punga Tapu o Te Atea, the fish trap of the heavens. Sometimes it was called Te Pepe o Te Atea, the butterfly of the heavens. In any case, the stars that feature in the naming of the three main groups are:

Kurawaka
Rakaiwaka
Pakauwaka
Mintaka
Alnilam
Alnitak

To our elders, these stars form the families of Waitaha. To the astronomers of the western thinkers, they form the Belt of Orion. Our mythologies speak of our elder seers and priests communicating with learned ancestors within the spirit houses of these particular stars. We keep very still and quite with all of our family and extended family matters, for others find our ways very hard to think about. It was one of the many myths and legends that we have kept carefully contained within the songs that sing of these matters.

These doorway stars were seen as the door keepers of the spirits of our whanau and hapu, family and extended family. In all the ancient teachings, they speak of our teachers and healers as having direct communication
with our ancient learned ancestors who came to us in our old world villages and helped in the development of our cultural and traditional knowledge base. We understand that the teaching of the very highest orders were for those trusted souls who have the ability to overcome ego and use the knowledge for the greater good of the people. Not very many people were chosen to hold the knowledge, and that was sad.

The understanding that I have moko, of these matters is that some of our teachers and healers are still today receiving communications from the old ones who came to visit us many thousands of years ago, and who helped us in understanding the nature of all the patterns of the universe. Contained within these communications were the instructions for the teachers and healers, yet sometimes they communicate with some of the wonderful people of the universe who have worked among the nations. Our elders tried hard to locate these beautiful people to help them in their pursuit of all the work that they have to complete, but they too have to be careful in these times of strangers and dangers.

Whispers of Waitaha ~ Traditions Of A Nation
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the pleasure is mine, dear xen.

this thread has been a true joy to create, and the constant wonderful feedback has heightened that joy.

I have to say that dear ra has been keeping it alive of late, with his awesome contributions.

he has SO much knowledge!

as do you, too xo
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as do you too <3


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thank you, very interesting Ra
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Thanks Tauranga, Xen....

In regards to Orion links.....



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Kurawaka: elder whanau who are the thnkers, planners, leaders.

Rakaiwaka: these are the investigators, researchers, contractors.

Pakauwaka: these are the knowledge keepers and the dreamers for the nation.

These names were taken from the star pattern that forms the Punga Tapu o Te Atea, the fish trap of the heavens. Sometimes it was called Te Pepe o Te Atea, the butterfly of the heavens. In any case, the stars that feature in the naming of the three main groups are:

Kurawaka
Rakaiwaka
Pakauwaka
Mintaka
Alnilam
Alnitak

To our elders, these stars form the families of Waitaha. To the astronomers of the western thinkers, they form the Belt of Orion. Our mythologies speak of our elder seers and priests communicating with learned ancestors within the spirit houses of these particular stars. We keep very still and quite with all of our family and extended family matters, for others find our ways very hard to think about. It was one of the many myths and legends that we have kept carefully contained within the songs that sing of these matters.

These doorway stars were seen as the door keepers of the spirits of our whanau and hapu, family and extended family. In all the ancient teachings, they speak of our teachers and healers as having direct communication
with our ancient learned ancestors who came to us in our old world villages and helped in the development of our cultural and traditional knowledge base. We understand that the teaching of the very highest orders were for those trusted souls who have the ability to overcome ego and use the knowledge for the greater good of the people. Not very many people were chosen to hold the knowledge, and that was sad.

The understanding that I have moko, of these matters is that some of our teachers and healers are still today receiving communications from the old ones who came to visit us many thousands of years ago, and who helped us in understanding the nature of all the patterns of the universe. Contained within these communications were the instructions for the teachers and healers, yet sometimes they communicate with some of the wonderful people of the universe who have worked among the nations. Our elders tried hard to locate these beautiful people to help them in their pursuit of all the work that they have to complete, but they too have to be careful in these times of strangers and dangers.

Whispers of Waitaha ~ Traditions Of A Nation
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cool info, ra
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[link to www.aoteaharbour.co.nz]

Korotangi-Sacred Bird of Tainui

image of korotangi
[link to www.aoteaharbour.co.nz]

The origins of the Korotangi remain a mystery, although it is now almost 100 years since it was found by a Maori imbedded in the roots of an upturned manuka tree, between Aotea harbour and Raglan. All that is definitely known is that it was discovered in 1878, that it weighs 4 Ib 10 oz, is 10 inches long and is finely carved from a dark green serpentine. The Korotangi bird at first glance resembled a prion or whalebird, until it was noted that instead of having a united nasal tube, the Korotangi had lateral nostrils at the base of the beak, rather like a ducks. No-one knew how long it had been under the tree, but one thing was clear, it bore no resemblance to any known carving. The Korotangi was first aquired by Albert Walker, who left it for a short time with Major Drummond Hay of Cambridge, and it was during it's stay in Major Drummonds home that the first clue came to Korotangi's identity.

An old chieftainess, seeing the stone bird, immediately bowed before it and began to sing a lament to the Korotangi. The news of the find soon spread amongst the Maori and all who saw it, claimed it was the sacred talisman, Korotangi, brought to NZ in the Tainui waka. The korotangi was said to have been stored at "Te Ahurei", the wananga or school of learning, along with other precious stone emblems, established shortly after the Tainui waka arrived in Kawhia harbour. Later the korotangi and these other emblems were lost, causing a civil war amongst the Tainui people. After the korotangi had been identified, it was bought by Major John Wilson as a present for his wife and many Maori chiefs visited the Wilson house to view the famous stone bird, including: Tawhiao, King Potatau 11 and Rewi Maniapoto, who asked if he could have the korotangi in his bedroom. His wish was granted and it is said, he rose several times in the night to tangi over it.

Rest of story at link above.
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There is a lot of mystery about the origins of the Korotangi. Some claim the Maoris brought it with them when they arrived in New Zealand from overseas, and some Maoris from the 19th century adamantly claim it was found in New Zealand after they arrived.

Prof. Julius von Haast (a very interesting character indeed) made the following comment to the Philosophical Institute of Canterbury, 13th October, 1881:

"I wish also to draw your attention to the fact that the stone bird has been carved with a sharp implement, either of iron or bronze, of which, as we know, the Maoris had no knowledge; the lines are all cut so evenly that it could not have been done with a stone implement."

Interestingly, Haast always suspected that there was an advanced civilisation in New Zealand long before the arrival of the Maori. He was always on the lookout for evidence of the Moa hunters who also preceded the Maori.

Looking through the historical records (Transactions and Proceedings of the Royal Society of New Zealand 1868-1961) in the National Library of New Zealand - it is abundantly clear that all the Maori's own history of New Zealand back then says that the islands were already occupied, and that the Maori's killed off the former occupants.
"The nature of the universe is such that ends can never justify the means. On the contrary, the means always determine the end."
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[link to www.aoteaharbour.co.nz]

Korotangi-Sacred Bird of Tainui

image of korotangi
[link to www.aoteaharbour.co.nz]

The origins of the Korotangi remain a mystery, although it is now almost 100 years since it was found by a Maori imbedded in the roots of an upturned manuka tree, between Aotea harbour and Raglan. All that is definitely known is that it was discovered in 1878, that it weighs 4 Ib 10 oz, is 10 inches long and is finely carved from a dark green serpentine. The Korotangi bird at first glance resembled a prion or whalebird, until it was noted that instead of having a united nasal tube, the Korotangi had lateral nostrils at the base of the beak, rather like a ducks. No-one knew how long it had been under the tree, but one thing was clear, it bore no resemblance to any known carving. The Korotangi was first aquired by Albert Walker, who left it for a short time with Major Drummond Hay of Cambridge, and it was during it's stay in Major Drummonds home that the first clue came to Korotangi's identity.

An old chieftainess, seeing the stone bird, immediately bowed before it and began to sing a lament to the Korotangi. The news of the find soon spread amongst the Maori and all who saw it, claimed it was the sacred talisman, Korotangi, brought to NZ in the Tainui waka. The korotangi was said to have been stored at "Te Ahurei", the wananga or school of learning, along with other precious stone emblems, established shortly after the Tainui waka arrived in Kawhia harbour. Later the korotangi and these other emblems were lost, causing a civil war amongst the Tainui people. After the korotangi had been identified, it was bought by Major John Wilson as a present for his wife and many Maori chiefs visited the Wilson house to view the famous stone bird, including: Tawhiao, King Potatau 11 and Rewi Maniapoto, who asked if he could have the korotangi in his bedroom. His wish was granted and it is said, he rose several times in the night to tangi over it.

Rest of story at link above.
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There is a lot of mystery about the origins of the Korotangi. Some claim the Maoris brought it with them when they arrived in New Zealand from overseas, and some Maoris from the 19th century adamantly claim it was found in New Zealand after they arrived.

Prof. Julius von Haast (a very interesting character indeed) made the following comment to the Philosophical Institute of Canterbury, 13th October, 1881:

"I wish also to draw your attention to the fact that the stone bird has been carved with a sharp implement, either of iron or bronze, of which, as we know, the Maoris had no knowledge; the lines are all cut so evenly that it could not have been done with a stone implement."

Interestingly, Haast always suspected that there was an advanced civilisation in New Zealand long before the arrival of the Maori. He was always on the lookout for evidence of the Moa hunters who also preceded the Maori.

Looking through the historical records (Transactions and Proceedings of the Royal Society of New Zealand 1868-1961) in the National Library of New Zealand - it is abundantly clear that all the Maori's own history of New Zealand back then says that the islands were already occupied, and that the Maori's killed off the former occupants.
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perhaps it came with waitaha, from easter island..
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For nothing is secret that will not be revealed…

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hiya girl genius, i hope you enjoy the read xo
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This thread might be of interest to Kiwis:

Thread: The earth of New Zealand, a bad Conductor of Electricity, as compared with that of other countries.


(and please no jokes saying that 'this is shocking news', or that it is 'non current information' :)
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This thread might be of interest to Kiwis:

Thread: The earth of New Zealand, a bad Conductor of Electricity, as compared with that of other countries.


(and please no jokes saying that 'this is shocking news', or that it is 'non current information' :)
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thanks duncan, i have posted it over on the quake thread too
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hiya ra,

you might like to check this out when you get back from holiday

Thread: Nevada’s Mysterious Cave of The Red-Haired Giants
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hiya ra,

you might like to check this out when you get back from holiday

Thread: Nevada’s Mysterious Cave of The Red-Haired Giants
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Hi Tauranga

thanks very interesting, heres a other good link, in regards to the Red Head Giants.

The History of the Red Haired Race
Tribe of Danu
TUATHA DE DANAAN

[link to www.burlingtonnews.net]

Have recently aquired a new kolbrin, text me the missing pages and ill send them to you :)

In the above site, there are names mentioned of people also mentioned in the kolbrin, in the egyptian scrolls.

hf
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hello,

what a cool link. I'm on phone now but i'll check it out properly tomorrndw

hope you had a great holiday..

kaitiaki was back for a few days, but haven't heard from him for a couple now. It was very cool to hear from him again.
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congratulations about your new kolbrin, bro

thank you, i will make a note of the missing pages and let you know asap

its about time i made a start reading it..
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hi guys

i dont know if this has been mentioned on this thread or not , if so my apologies.

watched a doco last night on sky tv about an archeological discovery in palau of very old humanISH bones ( 3000 yrs maybe ) found in a cave. the thing is, these people were very small with thick skulls and flat faces.
"People were allways getting ready for tomorrow.I didnt believe in that. Tomorrow wasnt getting ready for them. It didnt even know they were there." Cormac Mccarthy
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this cave was on a very small island off the coast of the main island of palau.
it turns out that the MANY individuals found in the cave all died around the same time and the archaeologists hypothesized that a tidal wave may have inundated the cave and taken them out.

but then they found another cave on a small island ,on the other side of the main island of palau, that had even more and better preserved remains of the same species of small humans. they then realised that a tidal wave couldnt be responsible for both events.

from the descriptions and stories in this thread, a fair hypothesis could be that at 3000 yrs ago or so, the early polynesians may have arrived and hunted them down as they are said to have to a similar race in NZ
"People were allways getting ready for tomorrow.I didnt believe in that. Tomorrow wasnt getting ready for them. It didnt even know they were there." Cormac Mccarthy
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heres a link

[link to www.monstrous.com]
"People were allways getting ready for tomorrow.I didnt believe in that. Tomorrow wasnt getting ready for them. It didnt even know they were there." Cormac Mccarthy
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Not sure if you're about RA

But this may interest you

Thread: GIANT SKELETONS in AMERICA
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Hello

Sorry to take so long to answer you

Thank you very much

Yes and it seems these little people were all over the planet long ago
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Hello

Sorry to take so long to answer you

Thank you very much

Yes and it seems these little people were all over the planet long ago
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Hi Tauranga, thanks for the links :)



Hawaiki – a real island? Or a mythical place?

Hawaiki is the traditional M&#257;ori place of origin. The first M&#257;ori are said to have sailed to New Zealand from Hawaiki. And in M&#257;ori mythology Hawaiki is the place where Io, the supreme being, created the world and its first people. It is the place from which each person comes, and it is where each will return after death.

Location unknown

M&#257;ori and P&#257;keh&#257; alike have wondered about the true location of Hawaiki. The actual location has never been confirmed, and it is uncertain if it is a real, physical island, or a mythical place. Some have associated Hawaiki with the Tahitian island Ra‘i&#257;tea (Rangi&#257;tea, in M&#257;ori). Like Hawaiki, Rangi&#257;tea is seen as both a physical and spiritual place.

Some people thought that M&#257;ori might have originated from Polynesia, India, or even Mesopotamia. More recent scholars admit it is difficult to decide on the 'true' location of a place that is also mythological.

[link to www.teara.govt.nz]


Interesting to note, when you break the word Ha-wai-ki up you get

Ha - Breath

Wai - water, symbol for spirit

ki - A Chinese term for energy
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Hiya ra !

Awesome to hear from you

I have been getting around to phoning you

Hope you are all great
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Hiya ra !

Awesome to hear from you

I have been getting around to phoning you

Hope you are all great
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thanks friend, same to you

hf

Interesting reading.....

Australia's Lost Civilisation


There are many remains of "lost civilisations" scattered throughout the world. With the notable exception of Atlantis, fragmentary remains of unknown civilisations of the past have come too light in the most surprising places. For example, Atlantis is by no means the only submerged civilisation. Submerged ruins of ancient cities have been located of the Bay of Bengal, the north coast of Papua New Guinea, Torres Straight, the Cook Islands, and even Australia.

And then there were the enigmatic remains on Easter Island, with its mysterious roads that lead out into the sea, ostensibly to now-submerged cities of much larger pre-diluvian land mass. The whole Polynesian rave extending from Hawai to New Zealand, preserves traditions of "Uru," or the "Great West Land," which to the Maoris was located directly to the west of New Zealand, and which they said was inhabited by a race of people who built in stone and were expert astronomers.

The Maoris even claimed decent from this mysterious race. Belief in far away China of a mysterious "land to the south" had persisted since the dim ages of pre-recorded Chinese history. Known as the land of Locack, its existence today is verified by ancient maps, some dating back 2500 years, which besides the islands of South-East Asia, display the undoubted though crude outline of Australia. According too ancient traditions the land of Locack was a vast continent so plentiful in Gold and other precious minerals that it surpassed all over lands.

Two Easter Island type stone heads have been recovered in Emerald in far north Queensland. Similar heads occur in the Whitsunday Passage off the north Queensland coast. Inca rites and beliefs have been recorded in Central Australia. An enormous Mayan-like stone head has been dug up near Cambelltown south of Sydney. All of which give credence to the abilities of these ancient peoples to span the Pacific in their ancient balsa wood rafts. Such evidence lead me to believe that Australia may hold the answers to many mysteries concerning human migration even before the dawn of recorded history.

Around far-off Tiahuanaco high up in the Peruvian Andes live a strange people who call themselves the Uru. They are a fair-skinned race who say in their folklore that they came from across the western ocean from a great continent. There is also another great mystery surrounding archeological remains in both Peru and Yucatan. Here scientists have excavated in recent years human skeletons dating back many thousands of years, which may have been identified as Australoid. What were Australian Aborigines doing in far off South America? At a central western Queensland site, remains of walls and buildings have been unearthed below surface deposits.

They are constructed of bricks of a triangular shape whose mortar seems more durable than the bricks themselves. Similar ruins exist in Western Australia and on the north coast of Papua New Guinea. Other mysterious ruins have lately come too light across a wide area of the Papua New Guinea hinterland. Whether or not these remains are evidence of Ancient Egyptian settlement of New Guinea remains uncertain, even though other undoubted remains of Egyptian presence have already come to light.

Further mystery surrounds the remains of the large-temple like structure built of large stone blocks which stands in the Woomera district of South Australia. If the remains of the submerged ruins of Torres Strait, Queensland, NSW, South Australia and Western Australia pose riddles, how else are we to explain the many stone and earthen pyramidal structures that have been found scattered throughout Queensland and New South Wales-as the work of world travelling Egyptians?

These pyramids {to be fully investigated in a future Strange Phenomena}, sometimes hundreds of miles apart, are arranged in definite alignments. Whatever their true purpose, they are undoubted evidence of the presence hearabouts of a highly advanced race of people who built often enormous structures on a grand scale.

These Pyramids, extending over a vast range from Cape York are to be found elsewhere in western Queensland and down the coast through Townsville to northern NSW. They are next met with south of Sydney to Cooma and the Murray River; another may exist in Victoria. That these pyramids were built for astronomical reasons, as well as trappers and conveyors of some natural energy filed, can be debated.

[link to www.mysteriousaustralia.com]
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Ra, that is, seriously weird. .

I just finished typing to Tassie, in an E-mail that we need to get onto OZ on this thread AND I mentioned Mysterious Australia as a place to start , wow talk about syncronicity..
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Ra, that is, seriously weird. .

I just finished typing to Tassie, in an E-mail that we need to get onto OZ on this thread AND I mentioned Mysterious Australia as a place to start , wow talk about syncronicity..
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wow! what a great thread! Lots of info here,will take me awhile to read and take it all in and then longer when I start checking out the links as well, :)

Thanks heaps for the time and effort that you have put into thisclappa
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