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MYSTERIES of ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND and THE PACIFIC

 
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As I have said before and will say again, our history is wrong or to be more precise warped in obfuscation and dismissal. They are keeping the past from us for some reason. I think it's selfishness and power. Imagine you wake up one morning the leader of your country or even the Pope of the Catholic faith. You walk out and decide to say that the bible is based on Sumerian if not older civilizations lore and that we in the christian and muslim faith warped it to our point of view. There would be madness breaking out all over the world. They would say that the Pope went mad, they would say he's lying and must be moved from his position.

They can't go back and change because it would show that much of what we see or been told was on a basement of lies. And then if these ancient civilizations where right, what other things that are written from these civiliations might be right also. Is it right about the Sumerians coming from another planet? The fear of people knowing the truth is their quiet nightmare.
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Hello, some say the cover-up exists to stop us sheep from learning about our true birthrights and access to the divine and many other things, and so it it part of the control of tptb.

And also the pride and arrogance of the archaeological fraternity, who don't want to admit that they got it all wrong.

In NZ there is another very sensitive issue, in regard to the fact that maori land claim laws are based on maori being the first people in NZ.
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Sensitive indeed, I am maori, and i suspect ive got some of the original inhabitants blood in me. Its interesting thou, ancient inhabitants must of had blue and green eyes, thats why the pawa shells were used on carvings, becuase there eyes were blue and green!!!!

This is confirmed by many of the maori legends, which talk of the fairy people, or tangata whenua.

There are many waka blond maori in NZ lol, im concidered white to many, which i take offence too, knowing that im maori lol.

Ra
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Hello, great to hear from you.

The story goes that the waitaha nation was made up of 3 different ethnic groups, including the red haired, green eyed people. I saw an article last night, but i dont think i posted it, it was a detailed description of the 3 groups who came together to create the waitaha nation. I will try and find it for you soon

I wonder does the waka blond colouring come more from the tangata whenua descendants ,who were perhaps here before the waitaha?
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More about the Kaimanawa Wall

[link to mysteriousnz.co.nz]

Mainly excellent images, showing that it is definitely a man made structure built in the same style as those in other parts of the world, with large, tightly joining slabs of rock
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I heard the area is now tapu, placed by the local iwi, i think they make it so, so people dont go investigateing, or dig it up, thats all they need to do, to get to the truth of the matter.

Alot of ancient sites, are placed under tapu(sacred) to the public.

In my area, any ancient artifacts must be reported/handed in to the local iwi(tainui) who then lock up or destroy the evidence.

Maori in sticking to there natural lore and teachings, must aknowlege the past in order to move forward, unfortunately modern Maori leadership, protect the stastis quo, in order to keep the treaty legit.

I got to go now, ill catch up 2marro, have a good evening :)

Ra
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Yes, what you describe is tragic isn't it?

Please come back and talk soon ,i will find that waitaha article for you.

Have a great evening too, friend.
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Did the southern hemisphere have an is age as the northern ?
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Hello, do you mean an ice age?
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Maori have always spoken of a race of fair skinned people who preceded them. They called them "Patu-paiarehe" or Turehu, and some still trace a shared lineage. In 1867, a Ngati Whatua Tohunga (historian) stated that the Ngati Whatua came to New Zealand from the Cook Islands nine generations earlier, making landfall at a place called Hatarau (Little Barrier Island). Arriving there they encountered a race of fair haired people with fair skin and green blue eyes, whom they named PAKEHA . They took the women to breed from - the males as slaves and food.

There are Maori who speak of babies stolen long ago by a "fairy people" who hid in the bush, only coming out at night – an understandable action of people who were being killed and eaten faster than they could breed. It is also highly possible that children taken were born to their own women captured by Maori. In savage post-Maori New Zealand, captives were eaten immediately, kept for breeding or enslaved and subsequently killed for food – an unpalatable history to inherit, but a fact, nonetheless.

One of the last surviving sub-tribes of the Patu-paiarehe was called the Ngati Hotu, pockets of whom survived into colonial times. Here’s a description of them from Maori oral history: "Generally speaking, Ngati Hotu were of medium height and of light colouring. In the majority of cases they had reddish hair. They were referred to as urukehu. It is said that during the early stages of their occupation of Taupo they did not practice tattooing as later generations did, and were spoken of as te whanau a Rangi (the children of heaven) because of their fair skin. There were two distinct types. One had reddish skin, a round face, small eyes and thick protruding eyebrows. The other was the Turehu. They had white hair and blue green eyes. They were fair-skinned, much smaller in stature, with larger and very handsome features." ( Refer: Tuwharetoa, Chpt.7, pg.115, by rev. John Grace). Note: The cavern dwellings and stone walls of these people can still be seen at Taupo, but are unprotected and under threat from development.

These tall bones and small Turehu bones were found just last month in a cooking pit.

The bones of the first New Zealanders have been found at locations all over the country: A cache of bones was found in the Kaipara District in 2005 when a pig hunter’s dog wandered into a cave. Investigations were handed over to Noel Hilliam, retired Curator of the Dargaville Maritime Museum, and his team ofresearchers. The skeletons showed that there were, at least, three distinct physical types of pre-Maori interned there, ranging from the very tall people (around 7 to 8 feet in height - 2.4 metres), to people of normal stature, to the very small pygmy people.

Noel: "The small stature ‘Turehu" were a particularly attractive childlike people with very fine features. We know about them because these small people once populated countries like Ireland and traditional stories relate their occupation of the Pacific range from Tahiti to New Caledonia to New Zealand. A specialist who examined some of the skeletons in the cave likened them to a race of people living in Wales 3000 years ago."

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Did the southern hemisphere have an is age as the northern ?
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Hello, do you mean an ice age?
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Jepps, sorry ! ice age
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Ancient burial methods

One 19th century report from the fiord area of the South Island spoke of humans remains in a limestone cave that were so old that a stalactite had partially encased the petrified remains.

Skeletons of the ancient people have been observed, frequently, since the earliest colonial time, in burial caves or in a sitting (trussed position) in sand dunes, with artefacts beside them. The trussed burial is a typical type of pre-Maori burial. Around Kekerengu in the Kaikoura area of the South Island a large number of these have been found, reportedly with a moa egg with each trussed skeleton, a burial method similar to ancient burials in Costa Rica, where round stone balls accompanied the deceased into the afterlife. One such burial was found on Pigeon Mountain near Howick with a pumice ball found with the deceased.

Some bodies found in caves around the Raglan region were encased in Kauri gum, while in both Raglan and the Waima Range there are dry mummified remains in caves. Another ancient custom practiced by the pre-Maori people was to take the bodies to an open air location where the body tissues could eaten by carrion birds, like the black-backed seagull. The remains would stay there for a year or so in the elements until the relatives returned to gather the bones and stack them neatly into a bundle. These would then be carried to and deposited in a burial cave or rock fissure. Others were placed on a carved wooden tray held by a menacing looking statuette figure the purpose of which was scare anyone who wanted to come and disturb the remains. Several of these were located in the Waima Range around Waimamaku, Hokianga District.

Some burials were in stone hewn coffins, such as a number observed in different locations around the Wanganui River region. (see photo Turehu coffins)

Those found in burial caves often had red hair or other light brown and blond hues. Samples of their braided hair, taken from the Waitakere rock shelters, used to be on display at Auckland War Memorial Museum and were the subject of written commentary by Maori anthropologist, Sir Peter Buck. Our earliest maritime explorers frequently saw the, red headed, freckle-faced Maori or "waka blondes" and large pockets of them survived well into the 20th century as people who had never mixed their blood with colonial era European settlers. These days, when ancient, pre-colonial European Caucasoid skeletons are located, they are handed over to the local iwi and no scientific investigation is permitted.

An example of this happened in1995 on a Manutahi farm in Taranaki. The remains of 12 skeletons in a formal pre-European burial ground were unearthed by contractors doing earthworks. The bones were removed and reinterred, reluctantly, at Manutahi Marae where elders said they should have been left where they were. Michael Taylor, a private archaeologist from Wanganui, was called in by the NZ Historic Places Trust to assess the discovery. He said the burial site "definitely pre-dates European settlement due to the style of burial, state of the bones and the presence of what may have been woven flax. Something like this is a significant discovery because it is an unrecorded formal burial site. I’ve been in archaeology for over 20 years and this is the first time I have seen anything like this."

Since the find, more evidence has filtered through. This tells us that the bones of each skeleton unearthed were in woven bags, but the material was not flax; The burial site was a formally organised location, totally unknown to the local iwi by their own admission. It’s evident that they had no history of burials at this location and in this unique manner; The final burial had occurred in swamp or bog land and was similar to the bog burials of Britain. No photography or forensic analysis of the well preserved skeletal remains and accompanying materials to determine their age, ethnicity or physical anthropology was permitted.

Turehu coffins. These skeletons have recognisable European physiology. They were already very old when found in rugged country, far from any European churchyard and with stone hewn coffins.

A blowup of the picture positively shows a side view of a jaw (mandible) which is not Maori, but European. Maori predominantly have a "rocker jaw" with a continuous downwards curve on the lower border. Further to that, the eye sockets of these people are squarish, the nose openings pyramidal, the faces long and narrow (dolicephalic skull type) and the craniums very round with a high vault.

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Did the southern hemisphere have an is age as the northern ?
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Hello, do you mean an ice age?
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Jepps, sorry ! ice age
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Now that i do not know. I do not know if the whole planet has been that way ever.

What i do know, is that antarctica was not ice at one time, because there is a very ancient sea map that has an accurate map of antarctica.

The experts did not realise how accurate this map is, until they invented the equipment to map antarctica under the ice.

I will find a link about this. It is called the Piris Reis Map
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South of Port Waikato stretches rugged limestone country – an area full of caves and the last refuge of a peaceful people who were hunted, and literally, eaten to death. These early New Zealanders were not warlike. They were "easy meat" for the cannibals who came to New Zealand in successive Polynesian migrations, and driven into hiding from their homes along the coast and in the Waikato.

During the 1800s, the Rev Robert Maunsell compiled a vast dossier of information on a tribe of "Tall Ones" who had lived in the area, but it was destroyed when the old Port Waikato mission station burnt down. Much of his information was gathered by word of mouth from old Maori living in the area at the time but more striking evidence was gathered by the Reverend himself on several trips into burial caves, where there were skeletons of people over 2 metres tall. Among them, he reported there were several pieces of pottery. Maori did not make pottery.

Twelve years ago these Tall Ones "spoke from the dust" again during earthworks at Waikaretu. Contractors discovered a cave set into a limestone bluff. Inside were skeletons in stone crypts. By the length of the femurs, the bodies were 7-8ft tall (over 2 metres). Anthropologists from Auckland and Waikato universities were called in, then followed a complete shutdown of the site, with a 75 year moratorium placed upon it. Maurice Tyson of Tuakau, a contractor in the area for 50 years, recalls how this upset the men who had discovered the cave and who could not understand why such a valuable archaeological site should be kept secret. Maurice also speaks of seeing a stone village with walls near the mouth of the Waikaretu Stream. Stone from the village was crushed to use for road metal and nothing now remains.

In Franklin a young Maori man with strikingly blue eyes walks, unaware. Above him, embedded in the clay bank, lie tiny human bones - tangled with small fragments of crayfish shell and charcoal. A larger, digit bone lies with it in the partly exposed cooking pit. Are these pathetic remains Maori or pre-Maori European? As more and more bones surface, they are asking us to listen to their stories, to use the scientific testing now available to prove that long ago, other peoples walked this land. As a nation we need to acknowledge their existence, accept the horrors of New Zealand’s cannibal history which decimated pre-Maori and Maori alike - and so move on.
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Franklin eLocal has received a huge amount of feedback on the First Peoples of New Zealand series. The articles have brought back memories for many of what used to be taught at school about pre-Maori people. Our readers have called to tell us about finds they have made and experiences recounted to them by their parents and grandparents. They are enthusiastic to re-explore the history of our ancient land. Maori oral history has always made it clear that people were well established in New Zealand before the coming of Kupe’s fleet.

Those early sailors found other people here when they arrived, digging for tree roots with digging implements and living off the plentiful kai provided by the land and the sea. The beliefs, religions, language and customs of these Old Ones were integrated with those of the newer arrivals.

There are New Zealanders who will tell you emphatically that their ancestors were not Polynesian, but voyaged from South America long ago. These voyagers were skilled in the understanding of ocean currents and in navigation. Even today, sailors and Pacific peoples speak of “jet currents” which can take a vessel at a great rate of knots. Thor Heyerdahl and his colleagues proved that the ocean between South America and the South Pacific islands was a highway, with his epic journey of the raft Kon-Tiki from Peru to the Tuamotu Islands in 1947. The islands lie in French Polynesia, with the Marquesas Islands to the north, originating point of the people called the Mori-Ori. Heyerdahl’s discoveries excited the world in the following decades, but his achievements have been largely forgotten in New Zealand or are unknown to newer generations. He was one of several seekers of the past to point out the huge amount of artifact, flora and cultural evidence that shows a direct link between ancient New Zealand and our nearest major land mass toward the rising sun – South America.

[link to www.kaimaiview.co.nz]
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Dispossessed farmers, Allan & Susan Titford and family of Northland, New Zealand.

When the government, in collusion with the Waitangi Tribunal, stole their farm off them using falsified history and dirty tricks, they fought back against all odds. Despite the fact that the Titfords' were ultimately able to prove, beyond any doubt, the longstanding historical integrity and legitimacy of their farm title, Attorney General, Margaret Wilson, made the unjust, politically motivated decision to hand their farm over to Te Roroa iwi claimants.

In June 2001 Paramount Chief of Nga-Puhi, Graham Rankin, appealed to the Minister of Treaty Claims, the Hon. Margaret Wilson, to help the Titford family. As a learned Elder, who was very conversant with the history and genealogical lineages of Northern New Zealand, he knew that the Titford's had been unlawfully dispossessed of their farm at Maunganui Bluff, Northland. The following is his letter to the Hon. Margaret

[link to www.treatyofwaitangi.net.nz]
A picture of Allan & Sue Titford, with their new born baby, superimposed over a picture of their burnt down home. This was the second house on their farm they were to lose to arsonist/ terrorists. They were harassed and terrorised for five years, before being driven off their legally titled, Northland property by government and activist bullies

[link to www.treatyofwaitangi.net.nz]
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The hoop is complete.

"It has been a dream of mine to see a double hulled waka making the return journey from Aotearoa back to Turtle Island/USA. I have had an avid interest in these magnificent vessels since the Hokule’a was launched in 1976. She sailed to Tahiti and back in her maiden voyage. The resurgence of celestial navigation for our peoples of the Pacific nations and here has been astounding and there have been many voyages between here and the islands over the years since. But as i say my dream was to see one on the water making this voyage before I leave this earth plane.
Imagine my surprise on July 28 2011 when I just happened to be speaking to a friend of mine who informs me that this indeed was happening. She was unsure of dates and who or what or when but she gave me a garbled message about a webpage with pacific voyage or something in it (her words). Well i eventually tracked them on their website entitled www.pacificvoyagers.org and I discover that there is not one double hulled canoe on the water almost due to land in San Francisco but six!!!! There were meant to be seven but the one from Tahiti had to return to their island due to other obligations."

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Traditionally the Waitaha Nation are a Matriarchal people who followed the philosophies of Peace known as Rongomaraeroa, the entity of Peace. Incidentally there have been no weapons of war found in the oldest archeological sites in our land of Aotearoa, New Zealand.

The Teachings from the Wananga Schools, placed high value on genetic memory, patterns of memory and passing on the traditions of their ancestors by teaching the grandchildren the way of living in a reverent way with all things and all people. Humility, deep respect and self discipline were the concepts and values interwoven in this way of life.

Until now we have hidden our beginnings, and all that followed, in the shadows. In this way we protected our knowledge in the silence of the Whare Wananga, the School of Learning of Waitaha. Now is the time for our treasures to be brought into the light. We do this for the children, and their children, and all who call this land home. We are of Tane Matua, and we follow Rongo Marae Roa, the Female Entity of Peace.

In the wisdom and aroha (love) of those words, we say: ‘Let the sacred kete (basket) be opened for the ancestors to speak again. Let the ancient karakia and waiata be heard throughout the land. Welcome to the trails of the peoples of the Nation of Waitaha. May you journey far in peace and understanding.’

The Song of Waitaha: Histories of a Nation was first released to the world in 1994. It was republished again in 2003. In 2006 Whispers of Waitaha: Traditions of a Nation was released at the time of Mataariki , June 2006. Both books are available directly through this website.

Nau mai, haere mai. We welcome you to our pages.

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The Disappearance Of The Children Of Viracocha, Part 2: Inca Epilogue, Chachapoyas, Rapanui, Aotearoa And Hawaii (cont.)
By Brien Foerster

There is an oral history in New Zealand of an ancient race of peoples that sailed there from the east and populated the country many years before the Maori - these people were called the Waitaha. They are not recognised as a race in NZ officially because to do that would succeed tribal rights over areas of land in treaty compensation negotiations away from Maori tribes but basically it is said that the Waitaha people sailed to NZ, populated it and lived in peace there for many years.

The difference between this race and the Maori at the time is that the Waitaha were totally peaceful and that they were white. They were fair skinned people some with blue eyes some with green, they had blond hair a lot of them and some had red, they were tall and lithe and were mainly vegetarians. They had no martial arts or war structure as they were totally into peace so that when the Maori came they were easily over run and eaten or taken as slaves because they refused to fight - the memory of them is kept alive through their decendants who were taken as slaves and assimilated into Maori society. That is why many Maori have red hair and some have green eyes. They were expert gardeners and the garden beds they made can still be seen in some areas.

In 1995 a book by Barry Brailsford, Song of Waitaha: The Histories of a Nation, claimed that the ancestors of the "Nation of Waitaha" were the first inhabitants of New Zealand, a pale-skinned people who had sailed there from Easter Island more than 2000 years before Polynesians arrived. It was claimed the "secret" Waitaha story had been suppressed for 200 years and the evidence of their occupation and existence, such as stone structures, had been mistaken for natural formations or Maori artifacts.

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The Disappearance Of The Children Of Viracocha, Part 2: Inca Epilogue, Chachapoyas, Rapanui, Aotearoa And Hawaii (cont.)
By Brien Foerster

Barry Brailsford has been the chief investigator of the Kaimanawa wall, aided by American D.H. Childress, and others. Childress, who investigated the site in 1996 when it came to the attention of the outside world, wrote (in A Hitchhiker’s Guide to Armageddon) that:

“...the blocks seem to be a standard one point-eight meters long by one point-five meters high. The bottom block runs straight down to one point-seven meters and beyond. The stone is local ignimbrite, a soft volcanic stone made of compressed sand and ash.

Read more at:
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The Disappearance Of The Children Of Viracocha, Part 2: Inca Epilogue, Chachapoyas, Rapanui, Aotearoa And Hawaii (cont.)
By Brien Foerster

More specifically, Hawaiiki is the island of Raiatea, which for hundreds of years if not millennia has been the center of Polynesian seafaring. The marae (temple) of Taputapuatea (most sacred white place) was the wayfinding or traditional navigating university of the Polynesian people; for one reason, it is strategically located in the center of the so-called Polynesian triangle.


Marae of Taputapuatea on the island of Raiatea, Tahiti, Photo from Bing Free Images
This triangle is composed of 3 points, designated by the lands of Hawaii to the north, Rapanui to the southwest, and Aotearoa to the southwest; all three are clearly people of the same genetic source, as evidenced in their oral traditions.

Also, their language is almost identical, aside from minor differences in pronounciation. The name which they call themselves, Maoli in Hawaii, and Maori in Tahiti, Aotearoa and Rapanui, simply means “people.” The k and l sounds of Hawaiian words, such as Moku ‘ula ( Red Island, a sacred place on Maui ) in the other three places would be Motu ‘ura.

The major wave of migration to Hawaii occurred about the 12th century from Raiatea, under the leadership of the priest Pahao. They, however, did not find the islands inhabited. There was a peaceful race of people named the Mu who had been there since time memorial, and Pahao, who had visited the islands previously on a spying mission, now came with a large force of warriors in order to subdue the Mu.

The origin of the Mu people is somewhat lost in the mists of time, though most archaeologists claim that they came from the Marquesas Islands somewhere between 0 and 300 A.D. This is solely based on the idea that artefacts discovered, especially on the island of Kauai resemble those found in the Marquesas.

Some of the Hawaiians themselves say that their people have always been there, the Mu that is. The Tahitians began conquering the islands and did so in a northerly direction; and the seemingly gentle Mu retreated as the advance continued. The last major island on which they existed was Kauai, and it is here that most of the stories about them have been written.

The Tahitians called them Menehune, or the little people, because the Mu were a gently, agrarian, and peaceful people. This term is still in use in the modern day, comically referring to mythical leprechaun-like people who are shy and hide in the forests. The real name is probably the Mana huna, or people of mana=spiritual power and huna=secret wisdom. They were, therefore, a people with psychic and other mind abilities that were not appreciated by the Tahitians.

Through genocide and assimilation the Mu ceased to exist several centuries ago, but an interesting characteristic occasionally shows up even today. Some descendants from the island of Ni’ihau, which is close to Kauai and became privately owned by the Francis Sinclair and Elizabeth Hutchinson in 1864, having purchased it from King Kamehameha V. As part of the agreement in the purchase, Hawaiian language and cultural traditions were to be protected, and in some ways enforced. Even to this day, radios, televisions and telephones are banned from the island.

The isolation of these islanders, who are almost all full blooded Hawaiians, has resulted in there being a very small gene pool. Some of them, who have moved to Maui for example, and whom the author has met, have red hair. This could very well being the result of inheriting genes from the first race of Hawaiians, the Mu, who in turn may be the descendants of the same ancient race of people that first populated Rapanui, and Aotearoa. The possibility is that they are the children of the priest kings of Tiwanaku.

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The diagrams from the first link remind me of this from Nazca:

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The diagrams from the first link remind me of this from Nazca:

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Wow, thank you, i didn't know there were things sacred geometry at nazca.

It is all over the world, though.

Graham hancock's book, heavens mirror is about the celestiallyy designed structures and huge complexes of ancient structures all over our planet which were built with sacred geometry.

The vids for heavens mirror are here:

Thread: OUR TRUE HISTORY - Graham Hancocks "QUEST FOR THE LOST CIVILIZATION" GREGG BRADEN and other amazing stuff...

But also the NZ book Ancient Celtic NZ has a huge section on this, with tons of those amazing diagrams.
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Images of the Piris Reis Map

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Awesome thread, OP. Gotta give it a five.
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It is very sad that knowledge and history is supressed, Its good that the people arent bashing the hell out of you.

Had this Thread been something African like i have seen here in the past, the trolls would come out in full force to say Africa houses nothing but savages. It is very sad the ignorance that this forum houses

NZ, and the pacific have their ties to Africa also.
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Awesome thread, OP. Gotta give it a five.
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Hello, thank you for the appreciation. I have only just begun!

We have australia, the pacific islands, more easter island, and even lemuria to look at still, so stick around.
Ane NZ is nowhere near finished.

It is neat to share.
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There was another race of people in the
world who were strikingly 'similar' to the Maori.
Those people were referred to by the Romans as
"The Picts", a fierce race of dark or brown skinned,
highly 'tattooed' seafaring people who inhabited the
northern part of what is now known as Scotland.
The Picts disappeared from Scotland prior to 900AD
and the Maori arrived in New Zealand around that time.

The Roman term Pictii is the root of the term picture
and as stated refers to the tattoos of the enemy.

Perhaps a mere coincidence.. but then
huge ancient trees available in forests
of Northern Scotland to build large seafaring
canoes but the same trees
were not available in the Pacific Islands.
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By removing counter argument posts does not help anyone... It's not like I was abusive or something.

Open minded? I guess not
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No more requests in the "Strangest things" thread please. :hf:

Past Lives requests thread: Thread: That Which Once Was: Past Lives
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By removing counter argument posts does not help anyone... It's not like I was abusive or something.

Open minded? I guess not
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How dare you call the waitaha demonic! Waitaha truly understand god.

Christianity is demonic!
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There was another race of people in the
world who were strikingly 'similar' to the Maori.
Those people were referred to by the Romans as
"The Picts", a fierce race of dark or brown skinned,
highly 'tattooed' seafaring people who inhabited the
northern part of what is now known as Scotland.
The Picts disappeared from Scotland prior to 900AD
and the Maori arrived in New Zealand around that time.

The Roman term Pictii is the root of the term picture
and as stated refers to the tattoos of the enemy.

Perhaps a mere coincidence.. but then
huge ancient trees available in forests
of Northern Scotland to build large seafaring
canoes but the same trees
were not available in the Pacific Islands.
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Hello, i will have to find out the shape of their jaws, maori have a distictive type of jaw.

Maori people also each have a verbal family tree they can recite, going back many generations, to the name of the canoe they arrived on at nz on 900 years ago.

Waitaha descendants ,on the other hand can take their verbal memorised family tree, called whakapapa, back to their homeland of easter island, at least a thousand years further (might actually be more than that)

Interestingly enough, there is alot of evidence to point to maori facial tatooing coming via egyptian influence.

Gary Cook has some awesome comparisons, etc in a book of his, i will try and locate those images for you.
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It is very sad that knowledge and history is supressed, Its good that the people arent bashing the hell out of you.

Had this Thread been something African like i have seen here in the past, the trolls would come out in full force to say Africa houses nothing but savages. It is very sad the ignorance that this forum houses

NZ, and the pacific have their ties to Africa also.
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Hello, yes all nzers who have posted have liked what i am saying. And there is no disputing that i am presenting the truth, i guess, with so many good links.

Generally nzers dont harbour racist feelings. Like everywhere, there is always some, going in both or all directions. But very little.

We have quite a racial mix, for a little country.

Maori and nz pakeha peoples have always mixed as one big family. We have all intermarried so we are all family and neighbours.

Even the other ethnic groups who live here, no matter if they are small in number feel pretty safe here in nz.

There is sometimes a little tension betweem maori and the huge amount of pacific islanders who live here, but once again not much.

That is one of the cool things about our country.
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This picture shows 3 Egyptian women (listed 1,2,3) with a Maori woman listed as (4). The Egyptian women are Assouan, from Upper Egypt. All display chin, lip or forehead tattoos. This picture and an accompanying article appeared in The Journal Of The Polynesian Society, Volume XIII - 1905.

The article and picture first appeared in the Otago Witness newspaper and included the following commentary, 'The London correspondent of The New Zealand Times says, - 'General Robley, the well known authority upon Maori art, sends me a sketch that he made of Assouan villagers now on view themselves at Earl's Court'.

'The sketch shows that the married women of this tribe far up the Nile are tattooed in a manner remarkably similar to that in which the Maori women used to be tattooed, namely on the lips and chin and now and again on the forehead.... General Robley has found on some of the earlier Egyptian mummies certain ornamental designs, which have hitherto been considered purely Egyptian, but he finds that they are identical to some of the most ancient Maori patterns'

Here are the pictures of facial tattoo
[link to www.celticnz.co.nz]
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Horrid christian stalker just sent me a pm with more ranting, what a loser.

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