MYSTERIES of ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND and THE PACIFIC

Hello, yes all nzers who have posted have liked what i am saying. And there is no disputing that i am presenting the truth, i guess, with so many good links.

Generally nzers dont harbour racist feelings. Like everywhere, there is always some, going in both or all directions. But very little.

We have quite a racial mix, for a little country.

Maori and nz pakeha peoples have always mixed as one big family. We have all intermarried so we are all family and neighbours.

Even the other ethnic groups who live here, no matter if they are small in number feel pretty safe here in nz.

There is sometimes a little tension betweem maori and the huge amount of pacific islanders who live here, but once again not much.

That is one of the cool things about our country.

This picture shows 3 Egyptian women (listed 1,2,3) with a Maori woman listed as (4). The Egyptian women are Assouan, from Upper Egypt. All display chin, lip or forehead tattoos. This picture and an accompanying article appeared in The Journal Of The Polynesian Society, Volume XIII - 1905.

The article and picture first appeared in the Otago Witness newspaper and included the following commentary, 'The London correspondent of The New Zealand Times says, - 'General Robley, the well known authority upon Maori art, sends me a sketch that he made of Assouan villagers now on view themselves at Earl's Court'.

'The sketch shows that the married women of this tribe far up the Nile are tattooed in a manner remarkably similar to that in which the Maori women used to be tattooed, namely on the lips and chin and now and again on the forehead.... General Robley has found on some of the earlier Egyptian mummies certain ornamental designs, which have hitherto been considered purely Egyptian, but he finds that they are identical to some of the most ancient Maori patterns'

Here are the pictures of facial tattoo
[link to www.celticnz.co.nz]

Horrid christian stalker just sent me a pm with more ranting, what a loser.

fascinating. Bump for later

Hello, thank you

thank you tauranga. i've posted this link on another pacific forum so that others can come to this site to investigate. kia kaha! A.

Remind him that christians create demons. They create them and then sic them on people.

This is why these demons ALWAYS push people TO christianity, never AWAY.

Then ban him from your threads. So far as I know, banning him also bans him from being able to PM-stalk you, as well.

Sorry, but any time that we speak up against Christianity, we must expect personal attacks. They are deeply, deeply invested in their beliefs, and they can never understand that it's not all about them.

Christianity has done horrific damage to this world. It promotes and protects slavery, it promotes the butchery and slaughter of natural healers and herbalists, and on down the list.

It is anti-freedom and anti-human.

Ban him from all of your threads and move on.

Daring to expose the truth about our REAL history will always bring you staunch, rigid opposition. If the truth comes out about the length of our history, the Judiac-based religions and their massive conglomerates would crumble.

They can't afford for that to happen... but the rest of the world can't afford for it not to.

Hang in there.

Maori oral traditions tell us that the Patu-paiarehe or Turehu people taught Maori many arts and crafts. These included fishnet making, weaving, haka (dance), the tattooing arts (moko), stick games, string puzzle games, putorino flute playing, carving, etc. At a later, hostile era the Maori warriors attacked these people, then enslaved and cannibalised them into virtual extinction. During this unfortunate period many Patu-paiarehe fled to the inhospitable and rugged high country for survival and later became known as “The Children of the Mist”. Around the Auckland Isthmus they subsisted in the Coromandel, Hunua and Waitakere high country forests. They hid in massive cave systems around Port Waikato and lived for many generations on Pirongia Mountain. In the northern regions they lived in the vast Waipoua Forest, the Waima Range or the rugged country around Pangaru and the Maungataniwha Range. Further South they were in the Urewera Ranges, at Mount Ngongataha in the central volcanic zone or, later, to the southwest of Lake Taupo in the vast rugged badlands around Atene above the Wanganui River. In the South Island they were living in the hills around Lyttelton Harbour, Akaroa and the Takitimu range as well as in hill country between the Arahura River and Lake Brunner, etc.

Entire villages, totems, canoes, greenstone treasures, musical instruments, ornately carved feather boxes and all possessions of the earlier people fell into the hands of the Maori conquerors as the spoils or prizes of war (muru-plunder). Patu-paiarehe arts, crafts, or all treasures not hidden in swamps or buried for later retrieval, thereafter, became the objects associated with Maori culture and symbolism. However, the true pedigree of these ancient cultural or religious expressions extend back to the countries from whence the distant ancestors of the Patu-paiarehe came.

It appears obvious that some ancient groups came to New Zealand directly from early-epoch Continental Europe, evidenced by the kinds of astronomical and domestic use stone structures found on the New Zealand landscape (including many beehive house hovel dome villages, now reduced to stone heaps). Others came more directly from former European homelands at the eastern base of the Mediterranean, passing through Central and South America and Easter Island en-route and bringing a lot of flora with them from that region. Because ancient Europeans shared much of the same heritage, expressed through common measurement standards, religious beliefs, cultural idiosyncrasies, writing, incising, motifs and symbolism, language, plinn rhythms, dance, musical instruments, astronomical/ navigational sciences, etc., many cultural items tend to blend and blur into one related expression over several continents.

The strong cultural-religious beliefs, which led to the creation of carved greenstone Hei-Tiki ornaments or pendants of Maori culture and, more generally, worn by women, are traceable to Europe and the Mediterranean, with their, pantheon of shared gods. Recognisable forms of the Hei-Tiki are also found in Peru, Mexico, Palestine, and Southern Egypt. The New Zealand Hei-Tiki pendant and the squat wooden or stone totems showing the same design attributes, are a local version of Bes, the Southern Egyptian god of pregnant women mothers, children and the home. When ancient Caucasoid tribes abandoned Egypt and its satellite counties to the encroaching desert and migrated into the verdant territories of Europe or elsewhere, they took their religious and cultural concepts with them. Bes and his slightly variable counterparts in many lands was a much loved, hairy and ugly, little bowlegged protector-entertainer god, found in statuettes or murals scattered from Egypt to New Zealand...Bes/ Pan/ Puck/ Tiki/ Rongo.

An ancient people with horrific behaviour patterns?

Carthage, the North African city from which Cathaginians even threatened the rising power of Rome, was originally a Phoenician settlement. Rome conquered Carthage during the Punic wars. Decadent behaviour, sacrifice and other horrific actions of Carthaginian society so incensed and appalled Rome that Carthage was erased from the face of the earth.

Question: Did any Carthaginians escape and found new colonies? They were after all a seafaring nation as they were Phoenician originally. Phoenician relics have been found in NZ. Apparently Rarotongans have a tradition of Maori being expelled from Rarotanga because of incestuous and canibalistic ways. Much the reasons that gave Rome cause to annihilate Carthage (?). During the First world war Maori troops in Egypt bore striking resemblence to native Egyptians, and apparently picked up the lingo remarkably well. Idle speculation may or may not have any relevance, but whether it does or doesn't cannot be proved until there is objective, serious, open and honest research. Our history is in desperate need of it.

Recent finds in Australia seem to indicate a Phoenician presence in Australia.

This is a precis of a recent report about findings in Australia.

An ancient Queensland mine and port environs could change world history.

A 3,000-year-old mine and harbour discovered on the coast of central Queensland may change Australian, if not world history. Remaining structures have been determined by a resident to trace back to early mining by Phoenicians around 1000 BC. A closely guarded secret, the discovery was made four years ago. The area's rich mineral deposits may have attracted the Phoenicians to the northern Australian coast more than 2,700 years before Captain Cook. World scientific attention is focusing on the discovery at Freshwater Point, near the big coal ports south of Mackay. There are huge sea walls which appear to be designed to allow exporting by sea. One at Sarina is some 800 metres long. It is huge. The harbour wall and the boulders are polished granite set in place with iron slag cement and copper slags. It is so monstrous three, 200 foot ships could be moored alongside, end to end. The harbour is as calm as a mill pond and beautifully engineered. When archaeologists visit Sarina the structures can be dated more accurately. There is a typical Phoenician temple to their god Baal, and also a cemetery. No detailed excavations have yet proceeded until the archaeologists arrive. Various academics from around the world are intensely interested in it and whatever is disclosed could change world history, let alone our understanding of Australasian history and exploration

... Does this suggest the possibility of links with claimed Phoenician drawings on rocks atop a hill near Taupo in New Zealand?

Did a Chinese Emperor deliberately have his fleet of sea going junks burnt to prevent contact with peoples with horrific traits that had been found on two Islands far to the South East? Chinese ginger plants grow naturally along rivers in the far north of NZ and some northern Maori often have an oriental appearance.

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Thank you, there is more info about te miringa, and there are more, much better photos of it before it was burnt down.
I will find and post them

Thax for your support, sandi T.

I had already banned him so i must have to do it separately, i will.

Yes, christianity is a truly evil thing.

Hello, thank you

Here is a list of whats and whys?

What happened to the remains of short 4 foot tall people (utensils and all) uncovered by a landslide in the Kaimanawas? Why are such remains, and skeletons, usually handed to Maori, or carefully slipped out of the public arena into oblivion?

What happened to the tall seven foot plus, skeletons found in a rock cave, to which the entrance was conveniently detonated to cover up the evidence? What about the grave of a tall warrior wearing full armour?

Why are authorities now vociferously trying to deny the facts that confirm and prove the Moriori were not Maori?

Why are early Portuguese artifacts, Phonecian artifacts (or are they Carthaginian?), Celtic and Viking artifacts deliberately destroyed or handed to local Maori Iwi for displosal BEFORE legitimate scientific analysis, genetic DNA fingerfrinting and carbon dating can be done?

Why are all the strange wrecks around New Zealand, ignored, re-buried, destroyed, and not investigated properly?

Where did all the ancient fruit trees around the Kaipara harbour come from? Local lore has it that they have been there from the beginning!

Why are ancient Maori oral records about earlier peoples ignored, hidden, or conveniently supressed, yet equally oral records about land claims are accepted as gospel?

Why do so many early skeletons have characteristics that are definately non-maori (or even any sort of polynesian), when found, simply get handed straight to Iwi who immediatelty secret them away for destructive or secretive disposal?

Why are thousands of pre-Maori sites deliberately being engulfed by Maori claims under covert procedures processed by the Treaty of Waitangi tribunal? Or "by arrangement" with local bodies. or DOC or environmental and government cultural organisations?

Why was Capt. Cook using Portuguese charts when he visited NZ for the first time? Why did these charts show Cook Straight as Portuguese Pass? Why did the map have Portuguse names assigned to various east coast features and places? Why do the East Coast Maori look so Portuguese yet no research is funded to link the facts to the present historical understanding of our country?

This must be a Joke! But a bad one...

I have a feeling scarf might be from UK, not sure though..

Why are numerous constructed stone walls around the country simply written off as "natural rock formations and features"?

Why are strange writings, glyphs, and the like on rocks abounding in waterways and coasts not widely acknowledged as being pre-Maori and associated with known cultures and examples in the old world? Why are Maori given control over waterways where such items are found? Do Maori have or deserve exclusive rights to everything?

Do the Patu pai-arehe people still inhabit remote parts of our country? Some reports, suppressed or ignored of course, indicate they may still be there. Turehu? Te Roroa? Waitaha? there are many names for pre-Maori peoples. Maori elders know this, but avoid giving out the truth or deliberately convey opposite or missinformation about so many things if given a chance.

Why do so many so called Maori designs reflect a strong celtic influence? Were they borrowed from their Celtic predecessors? Or is it that Celtic design and Maori design had a common origin?

Why is "old Maori" suggested to have similarity to much older Celtic languages or an earlier common language? Why do so many place so called Maori place names have such similarity to Gaelic and Celtic language root sounds and meanings? "Tara" in Taranaki is a normal celtic Gaelic term for a place of significance. eg. Tara in Ireland. Can some ancient Gaelic and Celtic scholar investigate the so called Maori place names of NZ and give us insight into their origins? Modern spellings for Maori may inadvertantly conceal linguistic links or borrowed words. Dialectic variance may also add to the puzzle.

Why are some Maoris so scared of the truth? Loss of mana? Mana built on lies and deceit is rubbish! It will be a curse on them. Mana built on willing honesty and truth is far more valuable and beneficial. For people unfamiliar with the NZ term "mana". Mana is a term which covers a multitude of attributes about or concerning the worth of an individual, a family, a tribe etc. It encompasses such as charisma, esprite de corps, social worth, spiritual worth, general standing from personal and public perspectives, power in person, over family, associates, tribe, society, and also in influence over people, things, and events. Consequently there are varying degrees of mana. It can be gained, inherited, or lost.

Why are so many megalithic sites around the country being destroyed? Why is their existence unrecognised, ignored, or even denied ? Why do Maori deny any access to such sites even though public road/access ways exist? Standover tactics forcibly dissuade legitimate investigation.

Why did Maori once admit many many relics, skeletons etc, were "not theirs" or "not of our kind". Why is everything pre-the late 1700's or early 1800's now considered of Maori origin, or assumed to be so, and passed unquestioningly to Maori Iwi?

Why are stone cities kept secret? Why are pine plantations planted to cover and destroy such sites? Cattle, then bull-dozers and forestry logging operations break up, destroy and obliterate valuable ancient sites. Should trees should be removed from old archaeologically significant sites to protect them from obscurity and damage by root systems?

Why are stone cities kept secret? Why are pine plantations planted to cover and destroy such sites? Cattle, then bull-dozers and forestry logging operations break up, destroy and obliterate valuable ancient sites. Should trees should be removed from old archaeologically significant sites to protect them from obscurity and damage by root systems?

What could Kaiiwi lake reveal, in name and in it's lake bed?

What will happen when ancient 12th century Christian Scottish / Viking settlements are revealed?. Will the documents that record these settlements soon be accepted? Will international courts recognise the validity of claims that will arise as descendants request compensation, or make land claims against Maori and the NZ Government? Will the Maori eventually pay for the rapine, murder and cannibalism and other heinous atrocities? The Moriori have equal rights to make such claims, in spite of a deliberate Government cover up of Moriori society. So too the Waitaha have unresolved claims.

Why is not DNA fingerprinting done on dried heads returned to NZ after being reclaimed from overseas? Why are so many of these heads not of true Maori origin (except possibly having been orginally sold by them?) Many of these show Celtic and Portuguese features. Poor unfortunates perhaps from previous cannibalistic atrocities.

DNA research into Moa hunters reveals polynesian traits, but is that what the researchers were looking for? Did they deliberately or inadvertantly overlook other hybrid traits? Was it just one result that satisfies current opinion at the expense of other anomalous records at other sites aged in the same historical periods?

Unless Maori and the NZ Government come clean and put the records straight, any perception of real or accrued mana will be totally stripped from them and they will become a broken people for all time. Or they can join the rest of NZ on an equal footing and become just one people of a modern and enlightened NZ populace. Let the truth be known!

Why is Te Papa a grand deception, designed to project a deviant bias of what "our place" is? Why are we not permitted to know the truths about the history of NZ?

I totally agree with you Tauranga

Sure there many place on this Earth.
But to me Aotearoa is God’s own, the land is put to getter from the best leftovers when Earth was created.

I love and was (and stil are )always very interested in the Maori culture,
so your post is great this gives me reading stuff till 2012.

While living in N.Z. my favorite place to visit for Holiday was the Cook’s also his Maori culture is very
interesting and I’m stilled puzzled by so many things.

Kia Kaha
Butterfly

Morning Tauranga, you been bizzy lol. Love the way you handle your threads :)

I notice some articals from

BES OF EGYPT & TARANAICH-THOR OF EUROPE IN THE ANCIENT SOUTH PACIFIC

[link to www.celticnz.co.nz]

Very interesting artical, especialy the SA symbol relationship to the patu. Egyptian connection etc.

It really buzzes me out, all this information availible relateing to the past.

There are so many connections to so many different places around the world, that there is an interesting question, did they all come here in the past, or did they all leave from here in the past Mu? Lumeria?

PS - Royal Assassin is me, I only wear my ego sometimes for special purpuses lol.

Interesting book.....

THE Aryan Maori.

"The discovery of a new world" is tlie expression
used by a great German thinker in regard to the
Avonderful widening of human knowledge which arose
with the birth of Philology. To learn that many
nations, separated by distance, by ages of strife and
bloodshed, by differing religious creeds, and by
ancient customs, yet had a common source of birth,
that their forefathers spoke the same tongue, and
sat in one council-hall, was as delightful to the man
of pure intellect, as it was valuable to the student of
history. New fields of thought, endless paths of
inquiry, opened before the feet of the worker, bring-
ing reward at every mental step, and promising
always new delights beyond. Comparative Philology
and Comparative Mythology are the two youngest and
fairest daughters of Knowledge.

In using the name '' Maori " I shall confine it gene-
rally to the Maori of New Zealand, as being the type
best known to myself; yet, in its larger sense, I in-
clude the Maori spoken of in the following extract,
wherein Mr. Sterndale, treating of the light-coloured
branch of the Polynesian islanders and comparing
them with those of New Zealand, says, ^^ Their lan-
guage is so far identical that they readily under-
stand one another, without the intervention of an in-
terpreter. Their social customs are analogous ; their
traditions and habits of thinking are the same. They
have but one ancient name whereby they distinguisli
themselves from the rest of humanity — Maori."^

I now proceed to assert —
Positively,

1. That the Maori is an Aryan.

2. That his language and traditions prove him to

be the descendant of a pastoral people,
afterwards warlike and migratory.

3. That his language has preserved, in an almost

inconceivable purity, the speech of his
Aryan forefathers, and compared witb
which the Greek and Latin tongues are
mere corruptions.

4. That this language has embalmed the memory
of animals, implements, &c., the actual
sight of which has been lost to the Maori
for centuries.
Probably,

1. That he left India about four thousand years

ago.

2. That he has been in New Zealand almost as

long as that time.

To prove these bold assertions is my task in the
following chapters.

[link to www.archive.org]

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Im not sure, waitaha says those who came and brought blood to these shores, were brothers and sisters.

'That is the pain we bring to this fire, the pain bequeathed by the Long Night of the Patu when iwi from afar spilt the bood of the iwi of this land, upon the land. And the ones who crossed the oceans to deal in death, were of the same iwi that suffered. Ae, as the bones shrieked, they were sisters and brothers.

'And the manner of it strikes to the very core, like a flame searing flesh. For the weapon that brought the Nation to an end was the Patu, the tongue of learning fashioned in Pounamu to honour Peace. It is hard to forget that this taonga, carved in the sacred Stone that carried the Spirit of Aroha, was the chosen instrument of death.'

Song Of The Old Tides ` Barry Brailsford

Now there are patu's(SA symbol?) held in hands of egyption hyrogliths in egypt.

Is that the story of there conquest, did ancient eygpt streach all the way to the bottom of the pacific?

Ive read somthing about tonga being once called part of lower eygpt, somthing to do with meaning of its name, carnt remember where i saw it lol.


Yes ive read that in reading the waitaha books, 3 main groups representing there continants?, within these groups appare to be other sub groups as well.

Accoring to Waitaha

It was a muilticultureal nation, liveing togerther in peace, dueing the days of Marimonga, for over 1000 years, an other biblical connection to relating to the 1000 years of peace mentioned in revelations?.

That why i think, the bible history storys is actully prophacy, the prophacy is actully history, also the bible was written in a higher level of consousness, as consousness/awarness rises its secreats will be unlocked.

Do you mean mount cook? I have only been there when i
was a kid, many moons ago.
But we did get snowed in and had to stay more days, which was great for us kids.

Thank you, i am already laughing, just looking at them dressed up and looking so serious cracks me up. I have seen very little Billy T, because i have never been a tv watcher.

He is so funny, rock on billy!

Good morning, i am a dummy, because i havent been to bed yet, i will crash sometime soon and let my boy have the laptop!

I cant find that thing i read last night about the 3 groups that made up the waitaha nation.

But i am pretty sure it was;

1. phoenician, because they were described as having darker complection and hooded eyelids.

2. celtic type group, green eyes, reddish or blond hair

3. a group that sounded almost moriori looking.

But then of course, there were the patu paiarehe too.

I have never seen mention of any waitaha people being of a pygmy stature, so i wonder when they came here.

Ra, i am wondering, were the tall ones aboriginal, like moroiri were?

Maybe they were a taller race when the first came to australia, and slowly grew shorter with the harsh life in the deserts.

Morori were aboriginal people.

And i was taught in school that they were here first. This sanitising of our history sux!

So you are of waitaha descent maybe, lucky you!

Do you have blond hair or reddish.

I have met a young guy who lives near te puna, he is a full blooded cook island maori, but he has red hair, white skin.

Picts are a puzzle.
I've read various explanations over the years. Problem is there are huge gaps (and quite a lot of bullshit)in the official version of European history.
Reading Syke's recent work on mDNA and Y chromosome lines, it looks like the Picts were a related IE people like the Fir Bolg or Tuatha de Danaan who were absorbed by intermarriage.
I'm of an Fir Bolg line myself, that intermarried with the Milesians so I know that happens.
Their art looks Scythian influenced, as a lot of Celtic art does.
Not to say that their weren't brown and black people in the British Isles at an early time.
People tend to forget that the continental Celts were not "racist"(a Judaic/Roman thing) but had a lot of contact with other cultures and skin colours.

I think the egyptian influence has happened twice, origional 1/3 of waitaha were phoenician, or similar.

And then there was heaps of seafaring going on with the phoenicians.

Maui was the captain of a large phonician fleet.

He wrote trip logs in caves in australia. He lost a fair few boats, with storms, and i think there were only 3 boats left by the time they were shipwrecked here.

Did you read that suggestion that the canibalism here was because of carthiginian descent. The carthiginians were wiped out by i think the romans because of their canibalism and other digusting things, and the suggestion is that some may have got away and re-colonised in the pacific...

Am i right in thinking that the tuatha de Danaan people were the same as the patu paiarehe? 'fairy' type folk of the forest?
And do you think they are the same people that archaeologists call the celtic pygmeys?
You know your geneology back that far, wow!