Godlike Productions - Conspiracy Forum
Users Online Now: 2,198 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 664,743
Pageviews Today: 948,790Threads Today: 335Posts Today: 5,251
08:55 AM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

MYSTERIES of ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND and THE PACIFIC

 
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 3871328
United States
10/26/2011 11:04 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: MYSTERIES of ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND and THE PACIFIC
fascinating. Bump for later
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 2889742
New Zealand
10/26/2011 11:12 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: MYSTERIES of ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND and THE PACIFIC
fascinating. Bump for later
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3871328


Hello, thank you
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 3637143
Netherlands
10/26/2011 11:12 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: MYSTERIES of ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND and THE PACIFIC
THE CROSSHOUSE AT MIRINGA TE KAKARA…AN ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND TEMPLE.

[link to www.celticnz.co.nz]

The building, initiated by King Tawhiao's directive to Chieftainess Ngaharakeke, is said to have been completed in about 1865. Bishop Thomas Herangi, guardian of the Crosshouse up until the 1980's, cited evidence of the star temple having been built in 1682, with renovations occurring in 1788 & 1887.

The main interest in this building must lie in its geometric and measurement attributes, which code astronomical and navigational knowledge found from Egypt to Great Britain and North America.
The key to extracting the international parcel of codes lies in an understanding of the common measurement standard being used internationally by an ancient, highly mobilised migrating group, who set up colonies all over the globe. Many of these colonies appear to have begun as metal ore mining operations.
 Quoting: Tauranga


thank you tauranga. i've posted this link on another pacific forum so that others can come to this site to investigate. kia kaha! A.
Sandi_T

User ID: 1301649
United States
10/26/2011 11:14 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: MYSTERIES of ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND and THE PACIFIC
Horrid christian stalker just sent me a pm with more ranting, what a loser.
 Quoting: Tauranga


Remind him that christians create demons. They create them and then sic them on people.

This is why these demons ALWAYS push people TO christianity, never AWAY.

Then ban him from your threads. So far as I know, banning him also bans him from being able to PM-stalk you, as well.

Sorry, but any time that we speak up against Christianity, we must expect personal attacks. They are deeply, deeply invested in their beliefs, and they can never understand that it's not all about them.

Christianity has done horrific damage to this world. It promotes and protects slavery, it promotes the butchery and slaughter of natural healers and herbalists, and on down the list.

It is anti-freedom and anti-human.

Ban him from all of your threads and move on.

Daring to expose the truth about our REAL history will always bring you staunch, rigid opposition. If the truth comes out about the length of our history, the Judiac-based religions and their massive conglomerates would crumble.

They can't afford for that to happen... but the rest of the world can't afford for it not to.

Hang in there.

flowas
No more requests in the "Strangest things" thread please. :hf:

Past Lives requests thread: Thread: That Which Once Was: Past Lives
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 2889742
New Zealand
10/26/2011 11:15 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: MYSTERIES of ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND and THE PACIFIC


Last Edited by Dr. Acula on 04/28/2013 01:22 AM
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 2889742
New Zealand
10/26/2011 11:16 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: MYSTERIES of ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND and THE PACIFIC
Maori oral traditions tell us that the Patu-paiarehe or Turehu people taught Maori many arts and crafts. These included fishnet making, weaving, haka (dance), the tattooing arts (moko), stick games, string puzzle games, putorino flute playing, carving, etc. At a later, hostile era the Maori warriors attacked these people, then enslaved and cannibalised them into virtual extinction. During this unfortunate period many Patu-paiarehe fled to the inhospitable and rugged high country for survival and later became known as “The Children of the Mist”. Around the Auckland Isthmus they subsisted in the Coromandel, Hunua and Waitakere high country forests. They hid in massive cave systems around Port Waikato and lived for many generations on Pirongia Mountain. In the northern regions they lived in the vast Waipoua Forest, the Waima Range or the rugged country around Pangaru and the Maungataniwha Range. Further South they were in the Urewera Ranges, at Mount Ngongataha in the central volcanic zone or, later, to the southwest of Lake Taupo in the vast rugged badlands around Atene above the Wanganui River. In the South Island they were living in the hills around Lyttelton Harbour, Akaroa and the Takitimu range as well as in hill country between the Arahura River and Lake Brunner, etc.

Entire villages, totems, canoes, greenstone treasures, musical instruments, ornately carved feather boxes and all possessions of the earlier people fell into the hands of the Maori conquerors as the spoils or prizes of war (muru-plunder). Patu-paiarehe arts, crafts, or all treasures not hidden in swamps or buried for later retrieval, thereafter, became the objects associated with Maori culture and symbolism. However, the true pedigree of these ancient cultural or religious expressions extend back to the countries from whence the distant ancestors of the Patu-paiarehe came.

It appears obvious that some ancient groups came to New Zealand directly from early-epoch Continental Europe, evidenced by the kinds of astronomical and domestic use stone structures found on the New Zealand landscape (including many beehive house hovel dome villages, now reduced to stone heaps). Others came more directly from former European homelands at the eastern base of the Mediterranean, passing through Central and South America and Easter Island en-route and bringing a lot of flora with them from that region. Because ancient Europeans shared much of the same heritage, expressed through common measurement standards, religious beliefs, cultural idiosyncrasies, writing, incising, motifs and symbolism, language, plinn rhythms, dance, musical instruments, astronomical/ navigational sciences, etc., many cultural items tend to blend and blur into one related expression over several continents.

The strong cultural-religious beliefs, which led to the creation of carved greenstone Hei-Tiki ornaments or pendants of Maori culture and, more generally, worn by women, are traceable to Europe and the Mediterranean, with their, pantheon of shared gods. Recognisable forms of the Hei-Tiki are also found in Peru, Mexico, Palestine, and Southern Egypt. The New Zealand Hei-Tiki pendant and the squat wooden or stone totems showing the same design attributes, are a local version of Bes, the Southern Egyptian god of pregnant women mothers, children and the home. When ancient Caucasoid tribes abandoned Egypt and its satellite counties to the encroaching desert and migrated into the verdant territories of Europe or elsewhere, they took their religious and cultural concepts with them. Bes and his slightly variable counterparts in many lands was a much loved, hairy and ugly, little bowlegged protector-entertainer god, found in statuettes or murals scattered from Egypt to New Zealand...Bes/ Pan/ Puck/ Tiki/ Rongo.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 2889742
New Zealand
10/26/2011 11:31 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: MYSTERIES of ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND and THE PACIFIC
An ancient people with horrific behaviour patterns?

Carthage, the North African city from which Cathaginians even threatened the rising power of Rome, was originally a Phoenician settlement. Rome conquered Carthage during the Punic wars. Decadent behaviour, sacrifice and other horrific actions of Carthaginian society so incensed and appalled Rome that Carthage was erased from the face of the earth.

Question: Did any Carthaginians escape and found new colonies? They were after all a seafaring nation as they were Phoenician originally. Phoenician relics have been found in NZ. Apparently Rarotongans have a tradition of Maori being expelled from Rarotanga because of incestuous and canibalistic ways. Much the reasons that gave Rome cause to annihilate Carthage (?). During the First world war Maori troops in Egypt bore striking resemblence to native Egyptians, and apparently picked up the lingo remarkably well. Idle speculation may or may not have any relevance, but whether it does or doesn't cannot be proved until there is objective, serious, open and honest research. Our history is in desperate need of it.

Recent finds in Australia seem to indicate a Phoenician presence in Australia.

This is a precis of a recent report about findings in Australia.

An ancient Queensland mine and port environs could change world history.

A 3,000-year-old mine and harbour discovered on the coast of central Queensland may change Australian, if not world history. Remaining structures have been determined by a resident to trace back to early mining by Phoenicians around 1000 BC. A closely guarded secret, the discovery was made four years ago. The area's rich mineral deposits may have attracted the Phoenicians to the northern Australian coast more than 2,700 years before Captain Cook. World scientific attention is focusing on the discovery at Freshwater Point, near the big coal ports south of Mackay. There are huge sea walls which appear to be designed to allow exporting by sea. One at Sarina is some 800 metres long. It is huge. The harbour wall and the boulders are polished granite set in place with iron slag cement and copper slags. It is so monstrous three, 200 foot ships could be moored alongside, end to end. The harbour is as calm as a mill pond and beautifully engineered. When archaeologists visit Sarina the structures can be dated more accurately. There is a typical Phoenician temple to their god Baal, and also a cemetery. No detailed excavations have yet proceeded until the archaeologists arrive. Various academics from around the world are intensely interested in it and whatever is disclosed could change world history, let alone our understanding of Australasian history and exploration

... Does this suggest the possibility of links with claimed Phoenician drawings on rocks atop a hill near Taupo in New Zealand?

Did a Chinese Emperor deliberately have his fleet of sea going junks burnt to prevent contact with peoples with horrific traits that had been found on two Islands far to the South East? Chinese ginger plants grow naturally along rivers in the far north of NZ and some northern Maori often have an oriental appearance.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 3721680
United States
10/26/2011 11:32 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: MYSTERIES of ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND and THE PACIFIC
5 stars
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 2889742
New Zealand
10/26/2011 11:34 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: MYSTERIES of ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND and THE PACIFIC
THE CROSSHOUSE AT MIRINGA TE KAKARA…AN ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND TEMPLE.

[link to www.celticnz.co.nz]

The building, initiated by King Tawhiao's directive to Chieftainess Ngaharakeke, is said to have been completed in about 1865. Bishop Thomas Herangi, guardian of the Crosshouse up until the 1980's, cited evidence of the star temple having been built in 1682, with renovations occurring in 1788 & 1887.

The main interest in this building must lie in its geometric and measurement attributes, which code astronomical and navigational knowledge found from Egypt to Great Britain and North America.
The key to extracting the international parcel of codes lies in an understanding of the common measurement standard being used internationally by an ancient, highly mobilised migrating group, who set up colonies all over the globe. Many of these colonies appear to have begun as metal ore mining operations.
 Quoting: Tauranga


thank you tauranga. i've posted this link on another pacific forum so that others can come to this site to investigate. kia kaha! A.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3637143


Thank you, there is more info about te miringa, and there are more, much better photos of it before it was burnt down.
I will find and post them
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 2889742
New Zealand
10/26/2011 11:37 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: MYSTERIES of ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND and THE PACIFIC
Horrid christian stalker just sent me a pm with more ranting, what a loser.
 Quoting: Tauranga


Remind him that christians create demons. They create them and then sic them on people.

This is why these demons ALWAYS push people TO christianity, never AWAY.

Then ban him from your threads. So far as I know, banning him also bans him from being able to PM-stalk you, as well.

Sorry, but any time that we speak up against Christianity, we must expect personal attacks. They are deeply, deeply invested in their beliefs, and they can never understand that it's not all about them.

Christianity has done horrific damage to this world. It promotes and protects slavery, it promotes the butchery and slaughter of natural healers and herbalists, and on down the list.

It is anti-freedom and anti-human.

Ban him from all of your threads and move on.

Daring to expose the truth about our REAL history will always bring you staunch, rigid opposition. If the truth comes out about the length of our history, the Judiac-based religions and their massive conglomerates would crumble.

They can't afford for that to happen... but the rest of the world can't afford for it not to.

Hang in there.

flowas
 Quoting: Sandi_T


Thax for your support, sandi T.

I had already banned him so i must have to do it separately, i will.

Yes, christianity is a truly evil thing.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 2889742
New Zealand
10/26/2011 11:38 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: MYSTERIES of ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND and THE PACIFIC
5 stars
 Quoting: nuke2012



Hello, thank you
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 2889742
New Zealand
10/26/2011 11:40 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: MYSTERIES of ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND and THE PACIFIC
Here is a list of whats and whys?

What happened to the remains of short 4 foot tall people (utensils and all) uncovered by a landslide in the Kaimanawas? Why are such remains, and skeletons, usually handed to Maori, or carefully slipped out of the public arena into oblivion?

What happened to the tall seven foot plus, skeletons found in a rock cave, to which the entrance was conveniently detonated to cover up the evidence? What about the grave of a tall warrior wearing full armour?

Why are authorities now vociferously trying to deny the facts that confirm and prove the Moriori were not Maori?

Why are early Portuguese artifacts, Phonecian artifacts (or are they Carthaginian?), Celtic and Viking artifacts deliberately destroyed or handed to local Maori Iwi for displosal BEFORE legitimate scientific analysis, genetic DNA fingerfrinting and carbon dating can be done?

Why are all the strange wrecks around New Zealand, ignored, re-buried, destroyed, and not investigated properly?

Where did all the ancient fruit trees around the Kaipara harbour come from? Local lore has it that they have been there from the beginning!

Why are ancient Maori oral records about earlier peoples ignored, hidden, or conveniently supressed, yet equally oral records about land claims are accepted as gospel?

Why do so many early skeletons have characteristics that are definately non-maori (or even any sort of polynesian), when found, simply get handed straight to Iwi who immediatelty secret them away for destructive or secretive disposal?

Why are thousands of pre-Maori sites deliberately being engulfed by Maori claims under covert procedures processed by the Treaty of Waitangi tribunal? Or "by arrangement" with local bodies. or DOC or environmental and government cultural organisations?

Why was Capt. Cook using Portuguese charts when he visited NZ for the first time? Why did these charts show Cook Straight as Portuguese Pass? Why did the map have Portuguse names assigned to various east coast features and places? Why do the East Coast Maori look so Portuguese yet no research is funded to link the facts to the present historical understanding of our country?
Butterfly

User ID: 3705
Netherlands
10/26/2011 11:51 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: MYSTERIES of ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND and THE PACIFIC
I have got to find a way to come visit New Zealand.... awesome
 Quoting: Gabriel


Go if you can, it is to most beautiful place on Earth!
It's not for nothing that they call it: God's Own Country.

Great Post Tauranga
 Quoting: Butterfly


Much as I love NZ ... God's Own Country is Yorkshire in the UK.
 Quoting: ScarfNZ 4054618


This must be a Joke! But a bad one...
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 2889742
New Zealand
10/26/2011 11:54 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: MYSTERIES of ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND and THE PACIFIC
I have got to find a way to come visit New Zealand.... awesome
 Quoting: Gabriel


Go if you can, it is to most beautiful place on Earth!
It's not for nothing that they call it: God's Own Country.

Great Post Tauranga
 Quoting: Butterfly


Much as I love NZ ... God's Own Country is Yorkshire in the UK.
 Quoting: ScarfNZ 4054618


This must be a Joke! But a bad one...
 Quoting: Butterfly


I have a feeling scarf might be from UK, not sure though..
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 2889742
New Zealand
10/26/2011 11:55 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: MYSTERIES of ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND and THE PACIFIC
Why are numerous constructed stone walls around the country simply written off as "natural rock formations and features"?

Why are strange writings, glyphs, and the like on rocks abounding in waterways and coasts not widely acknowledged as being pre-Maori and associated with known cultures and examples in the old world? Why are Maori given control over waterways where such items are found? Do Maori have or deserve exclusive rights to everything?

Do the Patu pai-arehe people still inhabit remote parts of our country? Some reports, suppressed or ignored of course, indicate they may still be there. Turehu? Te Roroa? Waitaha? there are many names for pre-Maori peoples. Maori elders know this, but avoid giving out the truth or deliberately convey opposite or missinformation about so many things if given a chance.

Why do so many so called Maori designs reflect a strong celtic influence? Were they borrowed from their Celtic predecessors? Or is it that Celtic design and Maori design had a common origin?

Why is "old Maori" suggested to have similarity to much older Celtic languages or an earlier common language? Why do so many place so called Maori place names have such similarity to Gaelic and Celtic language root sounds and meanings? "Tara" in Taranaki is a normal celtic Gaelic term for a place of significance. eg. Tara in Ireland. Can some ancient Gaelic and Celtic scholar investigate the so called Maori place names of NZ and give us insight into their origins? Modern spellings for Maori may inadvertantly conceal linguistic links or borrowed words. Dialectic variance may also add to the puzzle.

Why are some Maoris so scared of the truth? Loss of mana? Mana built on lies and deceit is rubbish! It will be a curse on them. Mana built on willing honesty and truth is far more valuable and beneficial. For people unfamiliar with the NZ term "mana". Mana is a term which covers a multitude of attributes about or concerning the worth of an individual, a family, a tribe etc. It encompasses such as charisma, esprite de corps, social worth, spiritual worth, general standing from personal and public perspectives, power in person, over family, associates, tribe, society, and also in influence over people, things, and events. Consequently there are varying degrees of mana. It can be gained, inherited, or lost.

Why are so many megalithic sites around the country being destroyed? Why is their existence unrecognised, ignored, or even denied ? Why do Maori deny any access to such sites even though public road/access ways exist? Standover tactics forcibly dissuade legitimate investigation.

Why did Maori once admit many many relics, skeletons etc, were "not theirs" or "not of our kind". Why is everything pre-the late 1700's or early 1800's now considered of Maori origin, or assumed to be so, and passed unquestioningly to Maori Iwi?

Why are stone cities kept secret? Why are pine plantations planted to cover and destroy such sites? Cattle, then bull-dozers and forestry logging operations break up, destroy and obliterate valuable ancient sites. Should trees should be removed from old archaeologically significant sites to protect them from obscurity and damage by root systems?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 2889742
New Zealand
10/26/2011 11:57 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: MYSTERIES of ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND and THE PACIFIC
Why are stone cities kept secret? Why are pine plantations planted to cover and destroy such sites? Cattle, then bull-dozers and forestry logging operations break up, destroy and obliterate valuable ancient sites. Should trees should be removed from old archaeologically significant sites to protect them from obscurity and damage by root systems?

What could Kaiiwi lake reveal, in name and in it's lake bed?

What will happen when ancient 12th century Christian Scottish / Viking settlements are revealed?. Will the documents that record these settlements soon be accepted? Will international courts recognise the validity of claims that will arise as descendants request compensation, or make land claims against Maori and the NZ Government? Will the Maori eventually pay for the rapine, murder and cannibalism and other heinous atrocities? The Moriori have equal rights to make such claims, in spite of a deliberate Government cover up of Moriori society. So too the Waitaha have unresolved claims.

Why is not DNA fingerprinting done on dried heads returned to NZ after being reclaimed from overseas? Why are so many of these heads not of true Maori origin (except possibly having been orginally sold by them?) Many of these show Celtic and Portuguese features. Poor unfortunates perhaps from previous cannibalistic atrocities.

DNA research into Moa hunters reveals polynesian traits, but is that what the researchers were looking for? Did they deliberately or inadvertantly overlook other hybrid traits? Was it just one result that satisfies current opinion at the expense of other anomalous records at other sites aged in the same historical periods?

Unless Maori and the NZ Government come clean and put the records straight, any perception of real or accrued mana will be totally stripped from them and they will become a broken people for all time. Or they can join the rest of NZ on an equal footing and become just one people of a modern and enlightened NZ populace. Let the truth be known!

Why is Te Papa a grand deception, designed to project a deviant bias of what "our place" is? Why are we not permitted to know the truths about the history of NZ?
Butterfly

User ID: 3705
Netherlands
10/26/2011 02:50 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: MYSTERIES of ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND and THE PACIFIC
...


Go if you can, it is to most beautiful place on Earth!
It's not for nothing that they call it: God's Own Country.

Great Post Tauranga
 Quoting: Butterfly


Much as I love NZ ... God's Own Country is Yorkshire in the UK.
 Quoting: ScarfNZ 4054618


This must be a Joke! But a bad one...
 Quoting: Butterfly


I have a feeling scarf might be from UK, not sure though..
 Quoting: Tauranga


I totally agree with you Tauranga Goofy Thum

Sure there many place on this Earth.
But to me Aotearoa is God’s own, the land is put to getter from the best leftovers when Earth was created.

I love and was (and stil are )always very interested in the Maori culture,
so your post is great this gives me reading stuff till 2012.

While living in N.Z. my favorite place to visit for Holiday was the Cook’s also his Maori culture is very
interesting and I’m stilled puzzled by so many things.

Kia Kaha
Butterfly
Butterfly

User ID: 3705
Netherlands
10/26/2011 02:52 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: MYSTERIES of ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND and THE PACIFIC
Ra
User ID: 4085734
New Zealand
10/26/2011 03:29 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: MYSTERIES of ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND and THE PACIFIC
Morning Tauranga, you been bizzy lol. Love the way you handle your threads :)

I notice some articals from

BES OF EGYPT & TARANAICH-THOR OF EUROPE IN THE ANCIENT SOUTH PACIFIC

[link to www.celticnz.co.nz]

Very interesting artical, especialy the SA symbol relationship to the patu. Egyptian connection etc.

It really buzzes me out, all this information availible relateing to the past.

There are so many connections to so many different places around the world, that there is an interesting question, did they all come here in the past, or did they all leave from here in the past Mu? Lumeria?

PS - Royal Assassin is me, I only wear my ego sometimes for special purpuses lol.
Royal Assassin

User ID: 4085734
New Zealand
10/26/2011 03:55 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: MYSTERIES of ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND and THE PACIFIC
Interesting book.....

THE Aryan Maori.

"The discovery of a new world" is tlie expression
used by a great German thinker in regard to the
Avonderful widening of human knowledge which arose
with the birth of Philology. To learn that many
nations, separated by distance, by ages of strife and
bloodshed, by differing religious creeds, and by
ancient customs, yet had a common source of birth,
that their forefathers spoke the same tongue, and
sat in one council-hall, was as delightful to the man
of pure intellect, as it was valuable to the student of
history. New fields of thought, endless paths of
inquiry, opened before the feet of the worker, bring-
ing reward at every mental step, and promising
always new delights beyond. Comparative Philology
and Comparative Mythology are the two youngest and
fairest daughters of Knowledge.

In using the name '' Maori " I shall confine it gene-
rally to the Maori of New Zealand, as being the type
best known to myself; yet, in its larger sense, I in-
clude the Maori spoken of in the following extract,
wherein Mr. Sterndale, treating of the light-coloured
branch of the Polynesian islanders and comparing
them with those of New Zealand, says, ^^ Their lan-
guage is so far identical that they readily under-
stand one another, without the intervention of an in-
terpreter. Their social customs are analogous ; their
traditions and habits of thinking are the same. They
have but one ancient name whereby they distinguisli
themselves from the rest of humanity — Maori."^

I now proceed to assert —
Positively,

1. That the Maori is an Aryan.

2. That his language and traditions prove him to

be the descendant of a pastoral people,
afterwards warlike and migratory.

3. That his language has preserved, in an almost

inconceivable purity, the speech of his
Aryan forefathers, and compared witb
which the Greek and Latin tongues are
mere corruptions.

4. That this language has embalmed the memory
of animals, implements, &c., the actual
sight of which has been lost to the Maori
for centuries.
Probably,

1. That he left India about four thousand years

ago.

2. That he has been in New Zealand almost as

long as that time.

To prove these bold assertions is my task in the
following chapters.

[link to www.archive.org]

Last Edited by Royal Assassin on 10/26/2011 03:58 PM
Royal Assassin

User ID: 4085734
New Zealand
10/26/2011 04:30 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: MYSTERIES of ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND and THE PACIFIC
As I have said before and will say again, our history is wrong or to be more precise warped in obfuscation and dismissal. They are keeping the past from us for some reason. I think it's selfishness and power. Imagine you wake up one morning the leader of your country or even the Pope of the Catholic faith. You walk out and decide to say that the bible is based on Sumerian if not older civilizations lore and that we in the christian and muslim faith warped it to our point of view. There would be madness breaking out all over the world. They would say that the Pope went mad, they would say he's lying and must be moved from his position.

They can't go back and change because it would show that much of what we see or been told was on a basement of lies. And then if these ancient civilizations where right, what other things that are written from these civiliations might be right also. Is it right about the Sumerians coming from another planet? The fear of people knowing the truth is their quiet nightmare.
 Quoting: Buck Johnson


Hello, some say the cover-up exists to stop us sheep from learning about our true birthrights and access to the divine and many other things, and so it it part of the control of tptb.

And also the pride and arrogance of the archaeological fraternity, who don't want to admit that they got it all wrong.

In NZ there is another very sensitive issue, in regard to the fact that maori land claim laws are based on maori being the first people in NZ.
 Quoting: Tauranga


Sensitive indeed, I am maori, and i suspect ive got some of the original inhabitants blood in me. Its interesting thou, ancient inhabitants must of had blue and green eyes, thats why the pawa shells were used on carvings, becuase there eyes were blue and green!!!!

This is confirmed by many of the maori legends, which talk of the fairy people, or tangata whenua.

There are many waka blond maori in NZ lol, im concidered white to many, which i take offence too, knowing that im maori lol.

Ra
 Quoting: Royal Assassin


Hello, great to hear from you.

The story goes that the waitaha nation was made up of 3 different ethnic groups, including the red haired, green eyed people. I saw an article last night, but i dont think i posted it, it was a detailed description of the 3 groups who came together to create the waitaha nation. I will try and find it for you soon

I wonder does the waka blond colouring come more from the tangata whenua descendants ,who were perhaps here before the waitaha?
 Quoting: Tauranga


Im not sure, waitaha says those who came and brought blood to these shores, were brothers and sisters.

'That is the pain we bring to this fire, the pain bequeathed by the Long Night of the Patu when iwi from afar spilt the bood of the iwi of this land, upon the land. And the ones who crossed the oceans to deal in death, were of the same iwi that suffered. Ae, as the bones shrieked, they were sisters and brothers.

'And the manner of it strikes to the very core, like a flame searing flesh. For the weapon that brought the Nation to an end was the Patu, the tongue of learning fashioned in Pounamu to honour Peace. It is hard to forget that this taonga, carved in the sacred Stone that carried the Spirit of Aroha, was the chosen instrument of death.'

Song Of The Old Tides ` Barry Brailsford


Now there are patu's(SA symbol?) held in hands of egyption hyrogliths in egypt.

Is that the story of there conquest, did ancient eygpt streach all the way to the bottom of the pacific?

Ive read somthing about tonga being once called part of lower eygpt, somthing to do with meaning of its name, carnt remember where i saw it lol.


Yes ive read that in reading the waitaha books, 3 main groups representing there continants?, within these groups appare to be other sub groups as well.

Accoring to Waitaha

It was a muilticultureal nation, liveing togerther in peace, dueing the days of Marimonga, for over 1000 years, an other biblical connection to relating to the 1000 years of peace mentioned in revelations?.

That why i think, the bible history storys is actully prophacy, the prophacy is actully history, also the bible was written in a higher level of consousness, as consousness/awarness rises its secreats will be unlocked.

hf
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1253103
New Zealand
10/26/2011 04:47 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: MYSTERIES of ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND and THE PACIFIC
...


Much as I love NZ ... God's Own Country is Yorkshire in the UK.
 Quoting: ScarfNZ 4054618


This must be a Joke! But a bad one...
 Quoting: Butterfly


I have a feeling scarf might be from UK, not sure though..
 Quoting: Tauranga


I totally agree with you Tauranga Goofy Thum

Sure there many place on this Earth.
But to me Aotearoa is God’s own, the land is put to getter from the best leftovers when Earth was created.

I love and was (and stil are )always very interested in the Maori culture,
so your post is great this gives me reading stuff till 2012.

While living in N.Z. my favorite place to visit for Holiday was the Cook’s also his Maori culture is very
interesting and I’m stilled puzzled by so many things.

Kia Kaha
Butterfly

 Quoting: Butterfly


Do you mean mount cook? I have only been there when i
was a kid, many moons ago.
But we did get snowed in and had to stay more days, which was great for us kids.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1253103
New Zealand
10/26/2011 04:50 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: MYSTERIES of ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND and THE PACIFIC

 Quoting: Butterfly


Thank you, i am already laughing, just looking at them dressed up and looking so serious cracks me up. I have seen very little Billy T, because i have never been a tv watcher.

He is so funny, rock on billy!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1253103
New Zealand
10/26/2011 05:10 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: MYSTERIES of ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND and THE PACIFIC
Interesting book.....

THE Aryan Maori.

"The discovery of a new world" is tlie expression
used by a great German thinker in regard to the
Avonderful widening of human knowledge which arose
with the birth of Philology. To learn that many
nations, separated by distance, by ages of strife and
bloodshed, by differing religious creeds, and by
ancient customs, yet had a common source of birth,
that their forefathers spoke the same tongue, and
sat in one council-hall, was as delightful to the man
of pure intellect, as it was valuable to the student of
history. New fields of thought, endless paths of
inquiry, opened before the feet of the worker, bring-
ing reward at every mental step, and promising
always new delights beyond. Comparative Philology
and Comparative Mythology are the two youngest and
fairest daughters of Knowledge.

In using the name '' Maori " I shall confine it gene-
rally to the Maori of New Zealand, as being the type
best known to myself; yet, in its larger sense, I in-
clude the Maori spoken of in the following extract,
wherein Mr. Sterndale, treating of the light-coloured
branch of the Polynesian islanders and comparing
them with those of New Zealand, says, ^^ Their lan-
guage is so far identical that they readily under-
stand one another, without the intervention of an in-
terpreter. Their social customs are analogous ; their
traditions and habits of thinking are the same. They
have but one ancient name whereby they distinguisli
themselves from the rest of humanity — Maori."^

I now proceed to assert —
Positively,

1. That the Maori is an Aryan.

2. That his language and traditions prove him to

be the descendant of a pastoral people,
afterwards warlike and migratory.

3. That his language has preserved, in an almost

inconceivable purity, the speech of his
Aryan forefathers, and compared witb
which the Greek and Latin tongues are
mere corruptions.

4. That this language has embalmed the memory
of animals, implements, &c., the actual
sight of which has been lost to the Maori
for centuries.
Probably,

1. That he left India about four thousand years

ago.

2. That he has been in New Zealand almost as

long as that time.

To prove these bold assertions is my task in the
following chapters.

[link to www.archive.org]
 Quoting: Royal Assassin


Good morning, i am a dummy, because i havent been to bed yet, i will crash sometime soon and let my boy have the laptop!

I cant find that thing i read last night about the 3 groups that made up the waitaha nation.

But i am pretty sure it was;

1. phoenician, because they were described as having darker complection and hooded eyelids.

2. celtic type group, green eyes, reddish or blond hair

3. a group that sounded almost moriori looking.

But then of course, there were the patu paiarehe too.

I have never seen mention of any waitaha people being of a pygmy stature, so i wonder when they came here.

Ra, i am wondering, were the tall ones aboriginal, like moroiri were?

Maybe they were a taller race when the first came to australia, and slowly grew shorter with the harsh life in the deserts.

Morori were aboriginal people.

And i was taught in school that they were here first. This sanitising of our history sux!

So you are of waitaha descent maybe, lucky you!

Do you have blond hair or reddish.

I have met a young guy who lives near te puna, he is a full blooded cook island maori, but he has red hair, white skin.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 433811
New Zealand
10/26/2011 05:26 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: MYSTERIES of ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND and THE PACIFIC
There was another race of people in the
world who were strikingly 'similar' to the Maori.
Those people were referred to by the Romans as
"The Picts", a fierce race of dark or brown skinned,
highly 'tattooed' seafaring people who inhabited the
northern part of what is now known as Scotland.
The Picts disappeared from Scotland prior to 900AD
and the Maori arrived in New Zealand around that time.

The Roman term Pictii is the root of the term picture
and as stated refers to the tattoos of the enemy.

Perhaps a mere coincidence.. but then
huge ancient trees available in forests
of Northern Scotland to build large seafaring
canoes but the same trees
were not available in the Pacific Islands.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 93602

Picts are a puzzle.
I've read various explanations over the years. Problem is there are huge gaps (and quite a lot of bullshit)in the official version of European history.
Reading Syke's recent work on mDNA and Y chromosome lines, it looks like the Picts were a related IE people like the Fir Bolg or Tuatha de Danaan who were absorbed by intermarriage.
I'm of an Fir Bolg line myself, that intermarried with the Milesians so I know that happens.
Their art looks Scythian influenced, as a lot of Celtic art does.
Not to say that their weren't brown and black people in the British Isles at an early time.
People tend to forget that the continental Celts were not "racist"(a Judaic/Roman thing) but had a lot of contact with other cultures and skin colours.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1253103
New Zealand
10/26/2011 05:50 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: MYSTERIES of ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND and THE PACIFIC
...


Hello, some say the cover-up exists to stop us sheep from learning about our true birthrights and access to the divine and many other things, and so it it part of the control of tptb.

And also the pride and arrogance of the archaeological fraternity, who don't want to admit that they got it all wrong.

In NZ there is another very sensitive issue, in regard to the fact that maori land claim laws are based on maori being the first people in NZ.
 Quoting: Tauranga


Sensitive indeed, I am maori, and i suspect ive got some of the original inhabitants blood in me. Its interesting thou, ancient inhabitants must of had blue and green eyes, thats why the pawa shells were used on carvings, becuase there eyes were blue and green!!!!

This is confirmed by many of the maori legends, which talk of the fairy people, or tangata whenua.

There are many waka blond maori in NZ lol, im concidered white to many, which i take offence too, knowing that im maori lol.

Ra
 Quoting: Royal Assassin


Hello, great to hear from you.

The story goes that the waitaha nation was made up of 3 different ethnic groups, including the red haired, green eyed people. I saw an article last night, but i dont think i posted it, it was a detailed description of the 3 groups who came together to create the waitaha nation. I will try and find it for you soon

I wonder does the waka blond colouring come more from the tangata whenua descendants ,who were perhaps here before the waitaha?
 Quoting: Tauranga


Im not sure, waitaha says those who came and brought blood to these shores, were brothers and sisters.

'That is the pain we bring to this fire, the pain bequeathed by the Long Night of the Patu when iwi from afar spilt the bood of the iwi of this land, upon the land. And the ones who crossed the oceans to deal in death, were of the same iwi that suffered. Ae, as the bones shrieked, they were sisters and brothers.

'And the manner of it strikes to the very core, like a flame searing flesh. For the weapon that brought the Nation to an end was the Patu, the tongue of learning fashioned in Pounamu to honour Peace. It is hard to forget that this taonga, carved in the sacred Stone that carried the Spirit of Aroha, was the chosen instrument of death.'

Song Of The Old Tides ` Barry Brailsford


Now there are patu's(SA symbol?) held in hands of egyption hyrogliths in egypt.

Is that the story of there conquest, did ancient eygpt streach all the way to the bottom of the pacific?

Ive read somthing about tonga being once called part of lower eygpt, somthing to do with meaning of its name, carnt remember where i saw it lol.


Yes ive read that in reading the waitaha books, 3 main groups representing there continants?, within these groups appare to be other sub groups as well.

Accoring to Waitaha

It was a muilticultureal nation, liveing togerther in peace, dueing the days of Marimonga, for over 1000 years, an other biblical connection to relating to the 1000 years of peace mentioned in revelations?.

That why i think, the bible history storys is actully prophacy, the prophacy is actully history, also the bible was written in a higher level of consousness, as consousness/awarness rises its secreats will be unlocked.

hf
 Quoting: Royal Assassin


I think the egyptian influence has happened twice, origional 1/3 of waitaha were phoenician, or similar.

And then there was heaps of seafaring going on with the phoenicians.

Maui was the captain of a large phonician fleet.

He wrote trip logs in caves in australia. He lost a fair few boats, with storms, and i think there were only 3 boats left by the time they were shipwrecked here.

Did you read that suggestion that the canibalism here was because of carthiginian descent. The carthiginians were wiped out by i think the romans because of their canibalism and other digusting things, and the suggestion is that some may have got away and re-colonised in the pacific...
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1253103
New Zealand
10/26/2011 05:58 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: MYSTERIES of ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND and THE PACIFIC
There was another race of people in the
world who were strikingly 'similar' to the Maori.
Those people were referred to by the Romans as
"The Picts", a fierce race of dark or brown skinned,
highly 'tattooed' seafaring people who inhabited the
northern part of what is now known as Scotland.
The Picts disappeared from Scotland prior to 900AD
and the Maori arrived in New Zealand around that time.

The Roman term Pictii is the root of the term picture
and as stated refers to the tattoos of the enemy.

Perhaps a mere coincidence.. but then
huge ancient trees available in forests
of Northern Scotland to build large seafaring
canoes but the same trees
were not available in the Pacific Islands.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 93602

Picts are a puzzle.
I've read various explanations over the years. Problem is there are huge gaps (and quite a lot of bullshit)in the official version of European history.
Reading Syke's recent work on mDNA and Y chromosome lines, it looks like the Picts were a related IE people like the Fir Bolg or Tuatha de Danaan who were absorbed by intermarriage.
I'm of an Fir Bolg line myself, that intermarried with the Milesians so I know that happens.
Their art looks Scythian influenced, as a lot of Celtic art does.
Not to say that their weren't brown and black people in the British Isles at an early time.
People tend to forget that the continental Celts were not "racist"(a Judaic/Roman thing) but had a lot of contact with other cultures and skin colours.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 433811


Am i right in thinking that the tuatha de Danaan people were the same as the patu paiarehe? 'fairy' type folk of the forest?
And do you think they are the same people that archaeologists call the celtic pygmeys?
You know your geneology back that far, wow!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1253103
New Zealand
10/26/2011 06:05 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: MYSTERIES of ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND and THE PACIFIC
Mysteries of the polynesians

Did the peoples of the paific originate on a lost continent?

By David Hatcher Childress

The settlement of the Pacific remains a mystery to this day. The vastness of the Pacific as well as the lack of concern by historians has made tracing the origin of the Polynesians, at best, difficult. While anthropologists agree that there are at least three races in the Pacific region, they have not agreed on where they came from or when the Pacific was settled.

Evidence now suggests that man may have ventured out into the Pacific over 30,000 years ago. New discoveries in partially submerged caves in New Ireland, a long narrow island east of New Guinea, are proving that man reached these islands tens of thousands of years ago.

In his book The Fragile South Pacific, Andrew Mitchell says,
"Until recently archaeologists who worked in the Bismarcks and the Solomons were unable to find any evidence of occupation by man older than 4,500 years. This seems odd, for man appears to have been in mainland New Guinea for at least 40,000 years; indeed, some believe that agriculture originated in the highlands of New Guinea so old are the cultures that have been discovered there. What took man so long to reach these nearest major islands? ...In 1985, Jim Allen and Chris Gosden from La Trobe University in Melbourne, excavated Matenkupkum cave in New Ireland and found human artifacts 33,000 years old deep in the earth deposits. These finds are set to revolutionize theories about the movement of man into the Pacific."
According to Maori tradition, the first Maori to come to New Zealand was the warrior Kupe, a powerful man and a legendary navigator of Pacific. Kupe was fishing near his island home Hawai’iki, when a great storm arose and blew him far down to the south, where he sighted Aotearoa, "the land of the long white cloud." The legend says that Kupe eventually made the return voyage to his homeland, and told them of his discovery. Many researchers believe that this happened as late as 950 A.D. but other theories place it much longer ago than that.

It is generally accepted that Maoris are Polynesians. But the location of Hawai’iki is open to considerable interpretation. Most anthropologists who write about the Maori do not believe that Hawai’iki is the same as modern-day Hawaii. Rather, accepted belief usually places Hawai’iki at either Tahiti or in the Marquesas Islands east of Tahiti.

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1253103
New Zealand
10/26/2011 06:08 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: MYSTERIES of ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND and THE PACIFIC
It is generally accepted that Maoris are Polynesians. But the location of Hawai’iki is open to considerable interpretation. Most anthropologists who write about the Maori do not believe that Hawai’iki is the same as modern-day Hawaii. Rather, accepted belief usually places Hawai’iki at either Tahiti or in the Marquesas Islands east of Tahiti.

Carbon dating in New Zealand places settlements there at least about the ninth century A.D. In addition, according to tradition, New Zealand was already inhabited by another race of people before the Maoris. a group of people called the Moriori. The Moriori were driven out of New Zealand and lived only on the remote Chatham Islands, which are more than 500 miles to the east of New Zealand.

Early observers to New Zealand considered the Maoris and Morioris to be different ethnic groups, though today prevailing theory is that they were part of different waves of "Polynesian" migration, the Morioris being part of the earliest migratory waves. Today, with the discovery of the Kaimanawa Wall in the Taupo district of the North Island, there are indications of even earlier settlers in New Zealand than the Morioris.

Since archaeologists admit that nearby islands to New Zealand such as Tonga, Fiji and New Caledonia were colonized at least 3000 years ago, it seems that these same navigators would have reached New Zealand as well. The history of New Zealand, and many Pacific islands, would seem to need some radical [link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1253103
New Zealand
10/26/2011 06:09 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: MYSTERIES of ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND and THE PACIFIC
EARLY THEORIES ON THE POLYNESIANS

The origin of the Polynesians perplexed early explorers in the Pacific from the very start. The Dutch Navigator Jacob Roggeveen said that the Polynesians were descended from Adam though "human understanding was powerless to comprehend by what means they could have been transported to the Pacific." Such doubts also afflicted James Cook and his men.

Prior to the publication of Darwin’s The Origin of the Species, it was generally believed (by Europeans anyway) that the races of man were descended from the sons of Noah, Shem, Japheth and Ham. Darker races were considered the sons of Ham, while lighter races, such as American Indians and Polynesians, were considered the sons of Shem.

Early on, a Malaysian origin for the Polynesians was speculated. The second edition of pioneer anthropologist J.F. Blumenback’s book Natural Varieties of Mankind (1781) added a fifth race to his originally speculated four of Caucasian, Asiatic, American and Ethiopian. This fifth race was Malaysian, which included the Polynesians.

With the arrival of missionaries in the Pacific came other theories, such as that the Maoris "had sprung from some dispersed jewish people," thereby making them one of the lost tribes of Israel. We now have the notion that Maoris, and Polynesians in general, are Semites. The Book of Mormon also follows this theory, stating that the Polynesians were descended from American Indian Semites who first landed in Hawaii in 58 B.C. after voyaging in Mexico and South America. Thor Heyerdahl has sought to provide some evidence of this hypothesis in a number of his expeditions. Heyerdahl is not a Mormon, but does believe that there was contact between Polynesia and the Americas. Heyerdahl has stated that voyagers in the Pacific came from both the shores of Asia and the Americas. Many critics of Heyerdahl have believed that he advocates the American contact theory exclusively, which is wrong.

Archaeologists admit that there is evidence that the Polynesians were in contact with North and South America, especially such islands or groups as the Marquesas, Rapa Nui and Hawaii. The sweet potato plant, or yam, is originally from South America and was known to have been cultivated on many Pacific islands before European discovery. The South American sweet potato was cultivated in ancient New Zealand and the Maoris called it Kumara.

However, contact with the Americas does not necessarily mean that the Polynesians originated there and the prevailing theory of the late 1800s and early l900s was that the Polynesians were actually an Indo-European group who came to the Pacific via India. Linguistic evidence was usually cited, such as the detection of Sanskrit words in Polynesian vocabularies. In the days when racism was a common fact of life, one reason for such a theory was partly political: to prove that a fellowship existed between Maoris and Europeans. The main contributor to this theory was a book entitled The Aryan Maori, by Edward Tregear, published in 1885.

A more important scholar who supported Aryan Maoris was John Macmillan Brown who had studied at Glasgow and Oxford before taking up the Chair of English, History, and Political Economy at Canterbury University College in 1874. Brown retired from his chair in 1895 and spent much of the remaining forty years of his life traveling the Pacific in pursuit of his intellectual hobbies, including the origin of the Maori. Brown settled in New Zealand and published his first book Maori and Polynesian in 1907.

A leading philologist of his day, Brown stressed that the "true classification of linguistic affinities is not by their grammar, but by the phonology." Unlike earlier philologists, Brown admitted that the phonology of the Polynesian dialects differs by a whole world from that of all the languages to the west of it-that is, the language of Melanesia, Indonesia, and Malaysia. How then did the Aryan forbears of the Polynesians come into the Pacific?

Brown believed that they had come by several routes from the Asian mainland. Some had come through South East Asia, having been driven on by a Mongol influx, others had come in a northern arc through Micronesia. This northern migration had passed over the Bering Strait into the Americas before doubling back to colonize eastern Pacific islands like Easter Island. The Polynesian language that eventually emerged was a combination of several primitive Aryan tongues. In Maori and Polynesian, Brown suggested that the amalgam was formed in Indonesia, but later he shifted his ground. In his 1920 thesis,

The Languages of the Pacific, Brown argued that "the linguistic attitude" of the Polynesians faced "north towards Japanese and Ainu." What had induced Brown to change his mind was the discovery of Tocharish, a "primeval" Aryan language, as Brown called it, in a manuscript found at Dunhuang in the Gobi Desert in 1911. This famous cache of ancient texts, some written in unknown languages that have never been deciphered, was to provide a gold mine for those scholars who took interest in them.

Said Brown.
"The main features of the Polynesian tongue... go back to the old stone age in Europe....We must conclude that the Aryan language started on its career from twenty to twenty-five thousand years ago, and that philological students of Latin and Greek and the modern European languages must study Polynesian in order to see the type from which these sprung."
Brown went on become Chancellor of the University of New Zealand, and enthusiastically championed unorthodox theories on the origin of the Polynesians, even to the point of advocating a lost continent in the Pacific which a few years later was called "Mu" by Colonel James Churchward. Brown found Greek, Celtic, and especially Scandinavian models for Polynesian gods.

Brown had traveled widely throughout the Pacific, something most anthropologists and historians had not done, and was awed by the many megalithic remains he had seen. He believed that he could trace the footsteps of the Aryans into and through the Pacific from their megaliths. Brown claimed that the megalithic remains at Coworker and Atiamuri in New Zealand were evidence of Aryan occupation.

Brown’s magnum opus on the Pacific startled many people. His final book, The Riddle of the Pacific, published in 1924, claimed that there was once a continent in the Pacific that was now mostly submerged. This continent, of which most Pacific islands were the last remnants, had been founded by Aryans from America. Here was the Chancellor of the University of New Zealand advocating a sunken civilization in the Pacific and not without reason. Brown may have first become convinced of a lost Pacific continent when he was introduced to the ancient texts at Dunhuang. One of the ancient papers allegedly contained a fragment of a map which showed a sunken continent. Brown had also been to Easter Island where the local tradition has it that natives are from a sunken land called Hiva. He was convinced that an advanced culture once existed throughout the Pacific and that sudden cataclysms had submerged most of the land causing a collapse of the civilization.

Despite the fact that geologists of his time discounted any rapid geological change in the Pacific it is a fact that the flat-topped guyots throughout the Pacific must have been formed above the water. These wind-blown mesas, similar to those in the American southwest, need thousands of years of blowing sand to flatten their tops. Similarly, large atoll archipelagos such as the Tuamotus, Kiribati or the Ha’apai group of Tonga would become mini-continents if the ocean levels were dropped only a few hundred feet. Today, geology remains divided as to slow geological change and sudden geological catastrophes that occasionally take place. Most geologists now favor both theories and admit that occasional catastrophes do take place, just how often is the usual question.

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]