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MYSTERIES of ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND and THE PACIFIC

 
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EGYPTIANS IN THE PACIFIC

The late Professor Barry Fell, a former Harvard Professor and native New Zealander popularized the theory that the Pacific was settled in second millennium B.C. by the Egyptians. He is well known for advocating Egyptian, Libyan, Celtic and Phoenician ancestry for American Indians, and applies his epigraphic (the study of ancient writing) research to Polynesians.

Fell believed that the Polynesians were descended from Libyans in the service of Egypt, working as sailors to Egyptian gold mines in Sumatra, and even Australia and elsewhere. He also believes that many Melanesians are the descendants of Negro slaves used as workers in the gold mines. Fell even goes on to call the dialect used by the Zuni Indians of the American south-west as Mauri script and maintains that the Maoris may be related to the Zuni Indians and their "Mauri" language.

Phoenician and Libyan rock inscriptions have been discovered in Indonesia. A letter in the January 21, 1875 issue of the magazine Nature spoke of Phoenician script in Sumatra. Writes the author J. Park Harrison:
"In a short communication to the Anthropological Institute in December last (Nature, Vol. XI. p. 199), Phoenician characters were stated by me to be still in use in South Sumatra. As many of your readers may be glad to have more information of the subject, I write to say that the district above alluded to includes Rejang, Lemba, and Passamah, between the second and fifth parallels of south latitude.
One clear link between Australia and Egypt is that the Torres Straits Islanders, between New Guinea and Northern Queensland, use the curious practice of mummification of the dead. The Macleay Museum at Sydney University has a mummified corpse of a Darnley Islander (Torres Strait), prepared in a fashion that has been compared to that practiced in Egypt between 1090 and 945 B.C.

It was reported in Australian newspapers circa 1990 that a team of Marine archaeologists from the Queensland Museum had discovered extensive cave drawings on many of the Torres Straits Islands. Some of the cave drawings, on isolated Booby Island, were of a Macassan prau which is a unique vessel with telltale double rudders and triangular sails used by beche de mer (sea cucumber) fishermen out of the Indonesian island of Sulewesi. The archaeologists declared the Torres Islands the "crossroads of civilizations" and were quoted as saying "Now it’s a new ball game in an archaeological sense."

In 1875 the Shevert Expedition found similarities in Darnley Island boats and ancient trans-Nile boats. Island boats were used to row corpses to sea and leave on a coral reef. Egyptian practice was to ferry corpses across or down the Nile for desert burial.

Similarly, it was pointed out by the Kenneth Gordon McIntyre in his book The Secret Discovery of Australia (Picador, 1977) that the island of Mir in the Torres Strait was similar to the Egyptian word for pyramid, "mir" and even that the name for Egypt is "Misr." Another similarity with the Torres Strait Islanders, as well as in the Solomon Islands, Fiji and Polynesia, a wooden headrest was used. This carved headrest was used to slightly elevate the head, while the subject slept on his back. It is unusual to ancient Egypt and certain Pacific Islands around New Guinea that these headrests are used.

Curiously, on the island of Pohnpei (formerly called Ponape), the new capital of the Federated States of Micronesia. an ancient Egyptian word is important in the government. Pohnpei island is divided into five districts and the governor of a district is called a Nan marche in the language of Pohnpei. Similarly, in ancient Egypt, a district was known as a nome, and a district governor was known as a nome-marche. Here we have the exact same word meaning the exact same thing in ancient Egyptian and modern Pohnpei dialect. A coincidence?

Excerpted and edited with permission from Ancient Tonga & the Lost City of Mu’a by David Hatcher Childress.

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Am i right in thinking that the tuatha de Danaan people were the same as the patu paiarehe? 'fairy' type folk of the forest?
And do you think they are the same people that archaeologists call the celtic pygmeys?
You know your geneology back that far, wow!
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Yes. My family history on my mother's side tracks back to-tada!-the absolute westernmost part of Europe.
I had to do a lot of research-I was a university librarian for about a decade with access to 19th century books (scholars were scholars back then) -to get the nuances of what has been covered up, distorted and lost.
It's been weird.
I met a woman from the same lineage-even looked like my sister although our family has been in NZ for 4 generations-who was crowned Queen of The May in what was a Bronze Age ceremony late one night in Kerry.
Tuatha de Danaan -blond or red haired, green or blue eyes.So no, not pygmies.
I think the "pygmies" of Europe were Saan Bushmen typesfrrom Africa who hunted alongside the early blondish Europeans without any conflict.
Europe was a huge place with plenty of room for everyone.
Even early agriculturists didn't clash with the hunters as gardens were made upland by rivers, whereas hunters were coastal.
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Am i right in thinking that the tuatha de Danaan people were the same as the patu paiarehe? 'fairy' type folk of the forest?
And do you think they are the same people that archaeologists call the celtic pygmeys?
You know your geneology back that far, wow!
 Quoting: Tauranga

Yes. My family history on my mother's side tracks back to-tada!-the absolute westernmost part of Europe.
I had to do a lot of research-I was a university librarian for about a decade with access to 19th century books (scholars were scholars back then) -to get the nuances of what has been covered up, distorted and lost.
It's been weird.
I met a woman from the same lineage-even looked like my sister although our family has been in NZ for 4 generations-who was crowned Queen of The May in what was a Bronze Age ceremony late one night in Kerry.
Tuatha de Danaan -blond or red haired, green or blue eyes.So no, not pygmies.
I think the "pygmies" of Europe were Saan Bushmen typesfrrom Africa who hunted alongside the early blondish Europeans without any conflict.
Europe was a huge place with plenty of room for everyone.
Even early agriculturists didn't clash with the hunters as gardens were made upland by rivers, whereas hunters were coastal.
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They say that huge archaeological dig in china a few years back was of a celtic pygmey group.

I wonder, when they say that, they might be meaning a similar people to the patu paiarehe, because i have heard them called pygmey, too.

But the constant reference to green/blue eyes and blond/red hair sounds celtic to me.
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Good morning, i am a dummy, because i havent been to bed yet, i will crash sometime soon and let my boy have the laptop!
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lol, I saw you up bout 3:30 in the morning the other night too.

I laugh cause ive done the same thing many times, normaly around full moons :)


I cant find that thing i read last night about the 3 groups that made up the waitaha nation.

But i am pretty sure it was;

1. phoenician, because they were described as having darker complection and hooded eyelids.

2. celtic type group, green eyes, reddish or blond hair

3. a group that sounded almost morori looking.

But then of course, there were the patu paiarehe too.
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Yes ive heard all these groups, plus a whole lot more, south ameraca(mayan/aztec?). Waitaha say a group also came from the land known as the Great Turtle(south americas?)

Taiwan and chiness links, Taoist links. (ill post the links when i find them)

I have never seen mention of any waitaha people being of a pygmy stature, so i wonder when they came here.
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I wonder the same, I know its possible some groups came here under slavery with the war like Maori, slaves were keeped as workers etc, when a tribe was conquored they were absored into the winning tribe, makeing them stronger, it was a survivle method. A similar story is recored in the bible, when moses and the israelites were traveling for 40 years after the exodus, Moses was a war like leader conquoring many different peoples, the practice of absoring tribes recored there too, even the Maori haka and rituals before battle?....

Ra, i am wondering, were the tall ones aboriginal, like moroiri were?
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Its possible

<< Numbers 13:33 >>
And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

This is what the israelite scouts saw on entering the promise land, Gients living with other races.

Many Maori legends of Giants, some of them Maori cheifs

Maybe they were a taller race when the first came to australia, and slowly grew shorter with the harsh life in the deserts.
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There are some that say NZ was connected to the continate of Australia at one stage via land bridge? Again suspicion of link to Moses exodus and red sea(tasman?)

Ive also read a link about somthing regarding tecktonic plates of sorts relateing to atmosphare/frequantcy changes that effect growth, giant everything found here, eagle, shell fish, trees, fruit. Im sure the Bay of Plenty Name is more than just coincidance.

(might also be related to the earthquakes?, ill look it up)

Morori were aboriginal people.

And i was taught in school that they were here first. This sanitising of our history sux!
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It sux alright, but i think everything is going to be alright, there is a growing awarness thanks to them links you provided, Elocal etc.

So you are of waitaha descent maybe, lucky you!

Do you have blond hair or reddish.

I have met a young guy who lives near te puna, he is a full blooded cook island maori, but he has red hair, white skin.
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I could be yes, that why im so interested in Maori history, I want to find my roots, I can trace back on my mums side to Ngati Parou on the East coast, and to settlement around lake rotourua where the lines get lost, that part of NZ was heavealy occupied by the original inhabitance.

Also a strong french connection, Paparoa area of Te Puna, was gifted to my Grandmothers family because of her great grandfather, a french man, who was a borrel, was connected to the goverment in some way, and put in a word for his wifes iwi, thats why they owned alot of the prime land in Te puna, there has been conflict/resentment from the other iwis in the area in the past apparently.

I have black hair, brown eyes, but white skin, yet i thought i was more bronze/copper reddy brown, untill my son said my skin was white, people keep saying to my partner, "so your man's a pakiha" which pissis me off lol.

Especialy thinking i was Maori, but having darker Maori telling me i was white there for, a waka blond lol, when it comes down to it, i might be more maori then them.

I havent meet my real dad yet, he is Maori too, but i dont know which iwi he affliated with, it could be waitaha, could be somthing else, but i could be from some far distant shore. Thats why its easy to see everyone as brothers and sisters, knowing i could have the blood from anywhere in the world.

I been thinking bout meeting my real dad soon, i know his name but ive never meet him, even thou he lives in Te Puna, proberly have but never knew it, lol.

Funny thing is, just recently i god a add a friend request from a young lady with his last sir name, Im wondering why she added me, is she my sister, does she know?

Interesting times for me.

Blessing friend

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But the constant reference to green/blue eyes and blond/red hair sounds celtic to me.
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And remembering that "Celtic" is a cultural term, not an ethnic or racial one.
My Milesian side is blonde and blue eyed.
My sister in law is green eyed and red haired.
And a "giant" at six foot-and she's the shortest female in her family.
Hunters tend to be tall-lots of protein-whereas agriculturists tend to be short.
I remember reading of an account of Roman troops facing Celts in battle-all naked including the women-and the historian recording that soldiers were dying before battle of "pains in the chest."Wonderful!
Average Roman soldier:5'3".
Average Celt:6'-7'.
The whole thing of Race is comparatively recent in European history.
In it's modern form it can be tracked back to the early German Protestants, who were trying to define German culture in Biblical terms (Wagner thought that Adam and Eve spoke German;
Gott; Nicht essen von der Baum der Erkinntnis!
Adam: Yawohl mein Fuehrer! LOL)
who then decided they were really the Chosen People and not the jewish people.
Picked up by the English, as fellow Germans.
Based on pseudo scientific Aryan theories.
I have a local Maori friend (Kai Tahu) whose theory is that the Maori were escaping Genghis Khan from China, and that it's a Lapita culture.
Another friend worked in Papua New Guinea for years and was fascinated by the similarity of language.
abc.com.au had an article recently that Maori Y chromosomes were from PNG and X mDNA was from China.
Doesn't preclude admixtures from all over.
I think Maori have suffered badly by being classed as Aryan-bullshitted into those crazy dreams of world empire that the Krauts are so fond of.
British Empire. Third Reich. What's the difference?
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This from the Book Ancient Celtic New Zealand

Martin tells an interesting story.....

Were they part of waitaha, sounds like it?

A Voice From the Dust

Arrayed upon Moytura Plain, De Dananns's tall and strong. Our fey-like folk outreached, outmatched, a desperate childlike throng. Then vanquished from the bloody field, defeated, sore distressed.

No home awaits through Herculean gates, from whence our people came. From slavers whip, from servitude, yon tyrants there our bane. No sanctuary lying to the west, no Isles, just storm swept sea. OF home, of hearth, of hope bereft, devoured in misery.

The Oracle spoke of Si-nim's Isles, 'neath the starry cross of Set, beyond Pharaoh's eucalyptus route, 'afore floating Ice be met. Where no foe didst strut, nor bully strive, a land of mystic peace, where bairn couldst laugh 'midst plenitude and woe and sorrow cease.

When midyear Sun rose through Taurean dawn, we glimpsed old Ire the last. But turned our eyes to southern skies, heaven's map before the mast and sailed by lands of tall black men, to sweltering oceans east, where currents tugged us east and south, to Si-nim's southern reach.

Then swept us north and eastly still, to Si-nim's furthest land. 'Neath long white clouds, in crashing surf, we beached there on the sand. 'Pon fertile plains we tilled and toiled, sowed grains to harvest meals. No serpent slithered twixt our feet, no scorpion at our heels.

Midst towering trees our orb abodes, we built of fitted stone. 'Neath open skies we sought for hills, where RA's gold presence shone. And raised up pillars to the Gods, that dwelt amongst the stars And laid out etchings on the ground, to mark the path of RA.

With knowledge gleaned of Enoch's gift, for all that dwelt on Earth, we set our times for toils and fests and cultural rebirth. Yet others came in peace to dwell, for rest, for harmony. E'en De Dananns, fresh from war, in quest of sanctuary.

The barques of Egypt 'proached our shores and Mayans, with their ship, to gather precious, verdant stone, from the mountain of the mist. The cairn, the tor, 'pon hill, in vale, by Amon's guiding hand, we built and set, to measures true and mapped all Si-nim land.

And dwelt in peace for all the days that RA didst rise in Taurus. Through Aries', to Piscean's House, no conflict came before us. Tall people from the warm east Isles, their hair of reddish hue, didst come on large and splendid craft, of double hulled canoe.

When Amon RA was dwelling in the Star house of Pisces, came brown skinned people, warm Isle folk, who foraged in the seas. They learned our arts, to weave, to plant, our counting of the days, to carve the precious verdant stone, so many of our ways.

Yet others of their kinfolk came, their populations grew. Came word of wars in northern Isles and fleets o Tonga-tapu. And warriors of the northern fleets, at last didst find our shores and drew some kinfolk to their stance and peace was known no more.

And murmurs came of horrid sights and savage men of dread, who terrorised our captured kin and feasted on our dead. Our undefended villages, by stealth, by forceful raids, were overcome, each fell with ease, all souls within them slayed.

All Si-nim land was bathed in blood, most died but others flee. Survivors, stalked and hunted still, 'neath forest canopy. Our maidens, knew but living death, rapine, abuse and scorn, enslaved to heartless, callous men and to them children born.

Brave maidens fair, down cast of heart, their babes upon their knees, recounted our ancestral truths and genealogies. 'Commit to memory my child' a duty a must, Lest memory of our noble folk, lie forgotten in the dust.

Dedicated to those, not allowed to be remembered.

Martin Doutre

Ancient Celtic New Zealand

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Hi Tauranga, yes that cross house is interesting, connected to the southern cross as well.

So glad your here, we have very similar interest, ive been studying ancient NZ for awhile, have even discovered an ancient site up here were i live of great significance yet to be realized fully, ive been in contact with Martin Doutré and he confirmed for me, that there is a real possibility it is a ancient site of some sort.

Would like to hear you thoughts on this discovery, i found it dueing a luna elips.


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oh ofcourse.


well to put it simple it is not far off of zeeland in the netherlands.

in that quadrant next to that pont that originates just besides that other markspot angle.
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hey there are not yet red lines there on google earth.
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But the constant reference to green/blue eyes and blond/red hair sounds celtic to me.
 Quoting: Tauranga

And remembering that "Celtic" is a cultural term, not an ethnic or racial one.
My Milesian side is blonde and blue eyed.
My sister in law is green eyed and red haired.
And a "giant" at six foot-and she's the shortest female in her family.
Hunters tend to be tall-lots of protein-whereas agriculturists tend to be short.
I remember reading of an account of Roman troops facing Celts in battle-all naked including the women-and the historian recording that soldiers were dying before battle of "pains in the chest."Wonderful!
Average Roman soldier:5'3".
Average Celt:6'-7'.
The whole thing of Race is comparatively recent in European history.
In it's modern form it can be tracked back to the early German Protestants, who were trying to define German culture in Biblical terms (Wagner thought that Adam and Eve spoke German;
Gott; Nicht essen von der Baum der Erkinntnis!
Adam: Yawohl mein Fuehrer! LOL)
who then decided they were really the Chosen People and not the jewish people.
Picked up by the English, as fellow Germans.
Based on pseudo scientific Aryan theories.
I have a local Maori friend (Kai Tahu) whose theory is that the Maori were escaping Genghis Khan from China, and that it's a Lapita culture.
Another friend worked in Papua New Guinea for years and was fascinated by the similarity of language.
abc.com.au had an article recently that Maori Y chromosomes were from PNG and X mDNA was from China.
Doesn't preclude admixtures from all over.
I think Maori have suffered badly by being classed as Aryan-bullshitted into those crazy dreams of world empire that the Krauts are so fond of.
British Empire. Third Reich. What's the difference?
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Wow, i hope she is your sister, that would be so cool.
Did you say she lives at te puna too?

You know i just had a thought. We have seen enough, just in these nz skeletons in all the photos, to have ip proven to us that there were people of vastly different statures around together, not that long ago, realy.

Patu paiarehe were seen often in the late 1800's here.

And ,excitingly, there is a sighting from the 1950's of a group of them. The hunters saw them close up and followed them. Lost them in the bush, but went back and found there hut. Ra, in the hut they found kiore bones and tiny kete.
They were 4 foot, the men had beards.

It was a maori guy and a pakeha guy staying in the bush, doing forestry work or something. They went off to shoot a kereru for dinner, and saw the little folk instea.

Just before the maori chap passed away several years ago, he signed an afferdavit, because he felt so strongly about seeing them, which martin, etc probably hold.

There have been much more recent sightings, but not so solid ones.

I like to think some still live on pirongia, maungatautere, and other places.

I have felt them in the bush with me at times.

Not trying to sound special by saying that, many people feel their presence in the bush.

I know an awesome modern day story about a sighting by a van load of guys, who had the crap scared out of the, at waipoua forest. I think that was a ghostly sighting, though.

I will try and find both stories for you.

I havent looked for any links about kiore yet

Or Ratana, or the kaimanawa horses.. the list goes on. So many anomalies in nz eh Ra?
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Hi Tauranga, yes that cross house is interesting, connected to the southern cross as well.

So glad your here, we have very similar interest, ive been studying ancient NZ for awhile, have even discovered an ancient site up here were i live of great significance yet to be realized fully, ive been in contact with Martin Doutré and he confirmed for me, that there is a real possibility it is a ancient site of some sort.

Would like to hear you thoughts on this discovery, i found it dueing a luna elips.


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oh ofcourse.


well to put it simple it is not far off of zeeland in the netherlands.

in that quadrant next to that pont that originates just besides that other markspot angle.
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Hi olaf, thanks for shareing

"oh of course?"

hmm

(what! what do you see?)

Could you please complicate it a bit more for me? I have a bad habit of missing the simple, but seem to be able to see the complicated lol.

What is significant about zeeland in the netherlands?, if i may ask?

Ra
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So glad summer is comming up Tauranga, nice weather for bush walking, longer days for exploration, i want to go see as much of these places as i can. The land awaits.....i think its calling me lol.

I move house's on the 5th november(bottom of waikato river/te kohunga), closer to the coast, and were some of them Gient bones have been found(Tall ones?), Have seen the artical about the little people, and its connection to the bee like stone house's, similar houses found on Easter Island.

Also at the museam some of them Ancient Maori (food?)Houses on poles, with little doors, just right for little folk.

There is thou, mention of little people in the kolbrin, I mention this because i think ive found some connections between the kolbrin and new zealand, (another story).

So much questions, glad thou we got a place were we can start to look/address them, not just here, but also the connections to the rest of the world.

Thanks again for such an awesum thread

5 stars

hf
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i'm not starting with flower power.


its an F shaped island pooing on tazmania.
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i'm like waiting for that mountain in the sea between england and the netherlands.

+ waiting for that nuon building getting destroyed.



i takes much effort i think since they did not start yet.
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i can only hope they do it fast enough so that it goes normal here.

i mean i have no planet shape weapon that could lift up ground anymore or something.
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i would have used it already without thinking.
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Ok olaf, thanks for trying

Take care

hf
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So glad summer is comming up Tauranga, nice weather for bush walking, longer days for exploration, i want to go see as much of these places as i can. The land awaits.....i think its calling me lol.

I move house's on the 5th november(bottom of waikato river/te kohunga), closer to the coast, and were some of them Gient bones have been found(Tall ones?), Have seen the artical about the little people, and its connection to the bee like stone house's, similar houses found on Easter Island.

Also at the museam some of them Ancient Maori (food?)Houses on poles, with little doors, just right for little folk.

There is thou, mention of little people in the kolbrin, I mention this because i think ive found some connections between the kolbrin and new zealand, (another story).

So much questions, glad thou we got a place were we can start to look/address them, not just here, but also the connections to the rest of the world.

Thanks again for such an awesum thread

5 stars

hf
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Hiya ra,

I need to do some posting today, get some new info on here.

I have found a site about the history of the moriori, its very sad, like the end days of song of waitaha.

Very sad. I will post it today.

What is the kobrin?

Yes, i am so happy to have met you too, its so cool to have a friend who is researching the same thingshfhf
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I hope you got a good rest Tauranga, lol.

Wow, i hope she is your sister, that would be so cool.
Did you say she lives at te puna too?
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No, my real dad apparently. Im not sure if she is related, i have yet to ask her, ive only just added her as a friend on face book, ima ask her if he knows my dad, next time i see her on there, or ill leave a message. I know his name, she has his sirname, so i wonder.

You know i just had a thought. We have seen enough, just in these nz skeletons in all the photos, to have ip proven to us that there were people of vastly different statures around together, not that long ago, realy.

Patu paiarehe were seen often in the late 1800's here.

And ,excitingly, there is a sighting from the 1950's of a group of them. The hunters saw them close up and followed them. Lost them in the bush, but went back and found there hut. Ra, in the hut they found kiore bones and tiny kete.
They were 4 foot, the men had beards.

It was a maori guy and a pakeha guy staying in the bush, doing forestry work or something. They went off to shoot a kereru for dinner, and saw the little folk instea.

Just before the maori chap passed away several years ago, he signed an afferdavit, because he felt so strongly about seeing them, which martin, etc probably hold.

There have been much more recent sightings, but not so solid ones.

I like to think some still live on pirongia, maungatautere, and other places.

I have felt them in the bush with me at times.

Not trying to sound special by saying that, many people feel their presence in the bush.

I know an awesome modern day story about a sighting by a van load of guys, who had the crap scared out of the, at waipoua forest. I think that was a ghostly sighting, though.

I will try and find both stories for you.

I havent looked for any links about kiore yet

Or Ratana, or the kaimanawa horses.. the list goes on. So many anomalies in nz eh Ra?
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Yip, sure is, i used to think of exploreing the pyramids, the great wall, and other ancient sites around the world, for the mystery and adventure, i didnt realize everything i was looking for, was right out side our own back yard. Its like the world came here, Egyptians, chinees, greek, celt, mayan, etc, etc.

Yet its a history, seemi clouded and not very clear, waitaha, have done a good job, in revealing the nations that existed, and alot of the evidence is here, all around us but not recongnized consously, in the launguage, in the customs of things today.

I like to think some still live on pirongia, maungatautere, and other places.

I have felt them in the bush with me at times.

Not trying to sound special by saying that, many people feel their presence in the bush.
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Ive concously thought of spending time in those areas, just for the experiance you are describing :)

I like to think the same, that they do still exist.

Ive got a maori friend, who lives down by port waikato at the bottom of the waikato river, it is a area said to have been occupied by the Tall ones, many caves in the area, she says, that there are people that exist in the area, in a different dimention, which she at times is able to see, I have diagrames/symbols pined to my wall, which she gave me, which she saw on a Aztic/mayan looking temple in this dimention, where she say they exist, i was interested in these symbols which appared geomectric in nature.

Last year some kids when whitebaiting the lower reaches of the waikato river, came accross some old carvings, of serpents looking creatures, they took it back to the local komatua, who told them to put it back were they found it, as it belonged to the the Giants, this coming from a komatua(maori elder), i only heard this story, because one of the girls that was with them kids, was my friends daugther.

Whats even weirder, is my partner, was brought up in that area, and she has told me she has seen ruines, old dwelling amoungst the many dotted islands around that area, on google earth, there are more ponds of man mades shapes around there too, ill post that after.

In an other twist of fate, the place im moving too, Te Kohunga has a connection to waitaha, as Te Kohunga in the south island is where one of the major center point for the whare wananga(House of Learning).

Ive heard waitaha used to inhabit the north island as well, before they got forced to head south, because of the war tribes, i wonder if the Te Kohunga im moving too, was also a center for learning, I will be situated under a mountain/hill, which is said in leagend to be a lizard, with its tail sitting in the waikato river, where you look from google earth, you can see it.

Tuatara/lizard, is the gate keeper to knowlege according to waitaha, becuase of its third eye.

So it makes me wonder.....
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I reckon she is your sister, because i have a friend, and an unknown daughter friended his 2 kids on facebook..
This sounds the same.

Snap againra, because i was also the same as you, i thought nz was perfect but for one thing, no ancient history. I had just discovered graham hancock and was saying to mum it was a shame we have no ancint histort, and so she suggested i start reading gary cooks regular feature in rainbow magazine..
and i never looked back!

Hey ,i just saw on google, someone who could feel patu paiarehe in the bush and wanted to know if otheres did. I will post it if i can find it again.

The whole raglan/ port waikato area was a hugely poulated area in ancient times. There is so much there.Have you been to the enscribed boulders on whale bay beach?
The final home and massacre site of that scottish clan i posted about was not far from there.

I'm not quite sure where you mean you are moving to, but i think you mean that general part of nz?

There are more than one giant carved tuatara at headland places in nz...
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Hello, this is especially for you

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Helollo, this is especially for you

Images of tuataras

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i had a favorite tshirt with it !
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Ive got a maori friend, who lives down by port waikato at the bottom of the waikato river, it is a area said to have been occupied by the Tall ones, many caves in the area, she says, that there are people that exist in the area, in a different dimention,
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Different dimension?Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
That's a thought I came up with in the context of my Irish background.
According to the 'legends' after the Tuathe de Danaan were defeated by the Milesians the Tuatha de Danaan went to live in the mounds.Sometimes ordinary people would stumble into their realm and really weird things would happen-time distortions and the like.
There were records of Tuatha de Danaan being around in the flesh centuries later though.
My theory is that most phased over to the Other World, where they live in a realm quite simialar to this one.Maybe.
There are some very peculiar tales by the peasantry in a book by Oscar Wilde's mother 20th century which sound completely realistic -but involving interactions with another realm.
Such as Changelings.
I've got a a Ngai Tahu friend,who is very sceptical of the Waitaha thing, but he's writing and illustrating a book of the local arae and it's myths, and he pointed out a mountain across Lyttelton harbour where a Maori woman had gone to live for several years with the Fairies, and came back a very different person.
Kinda cool to think of pygmies hiding out in the bush in NZ too!
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The whole raglan/ port waikato area was a hugely poulated area in ancient times. There is so much there.Have you been to the enscribed boulders on whale bay beach?
The final home and massacre site of that scottish clan i posted about was not far from there.
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I think i know the place, its the area ive been exploring

There is a campany which planes to build a wind farm down there, conincidance the places best suited for the windmills are ancient occupation sites, it appares the company has managed to buy off the local iwi, who dont care of these sites, because it wasnt there people. Very convinient, so im trying to get out there as much as i can before major distruction takes place, I know the iwi were looking for people to document the sites in that area, cause i put my hand up, when i heard about it, from the insider that told me, no reply yet, so it might have just been a ploy to make it look as if they cared.

WAIKATO WINDS FARM PROJECT CLUSTERS A
AND D (SUNSET VIEWS, RAMSDEN AND
LIMESTONE DOWNS): ARCHAEOLOGICAL
ASSESSMENT

[link to www.contactenergy.co.nz]


I'm not quite sure where you mean you are moving to, but i think you mean that general part of nz?

There are more than one giant carved tuatara at headland places in nz...
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Im moveing to Te Kohunga, on the 5th of November(bout 10 minites down river from the Tuakau bridge, to my partners parents house, they going through some difficulties and my partner wants to help them out, she asked me ways in which we can help them, without outright giving them cash, i dont believe in fixing someones problems, put ill rather address the cause so it don't happen again, moving down there was the best option, and its only for a year. Im glad, because we have been getting comfortable, we need a shake up, make ourself uncomfortable. So we renting out a 3 times 6 meter, portable unit, so we get our own space, the 3 boys will stay inside, with there grandparents.

I get to move closer, to the port waikato region where all those intereing things been found, plus fishing and sunset beach lol.

Less Neigbours lol, cause im currently in Tuakau Town, and less light polution, so ill realy be able to put to work an awesum teliscope i brought a few years ago.

Everything seems to be fitting in nicely, gona be a good summer.....

My father inlaw, is cuzin to the maori king, my partner is maori royalty(tainui).

There house is just beneath the head, of this lizard, there are depressions in the ground on the actully head of the lizard, where the a chife of that region had his house, faceing the east, so he could wake up every morning to the riseing sun.

Ive ridden up the spine of it, when i stayed at the local marare(meeting house), for a hui(meeting) one weekend. We got to go on a Quad bike tour with riverland adventures,touring all the ancient sites in the area, along part of old maori highways, which they used to run for miles with ease. The guide is my partners uncle and he told us the history and legends connected to each area we visited.

There is old maori highway running down the coast to ragland, my partners Uncle the guide, knows it, the history and walks it regular. (another bonuse for moving to te kohunga, thats were they are situated)

Awesum exsperence......

Riverland Adventures
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Ive got a maori friend, who lives down by port waikato at the bottom of the waikato river, it is a area said to have been occupied by the Tall ones, many caves in the area, she says, that there are people that exist in the area, in a different dimention,
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Different dimension?Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
That's a thought I came up with in the context of my Irish background.
According to the 'legends' after the Tuathe de Danaan were defeated by the Milesians the Tuatha de Danaan went to live in the mounds.Sometimes ordinary people would stumble into their realm and really weird things would happen-time distortions and the like.
There were records of Tuatha de Danaan being around in the flesh centuries later though.
My theory is that most phased over to the Other World, where they live in a realm quite simialar to this one.Maybe.
There are some very peculiar tales by the peasantry in a book by Oscar Wilde's mother 20th century which sound completely realistic -but involving interactions with another realm.
Such as Changelings.
I've got a a Ngai Tahu friend,who is very sceptical of the Waitaha thing, but he's writing and illustrating a book of the local arae and it's myths, and he pointed out a mountain across Lyttelton harbour where a Maori woman had gone to live for several years with the Fairies, and came back a very different person.
Kinda cool to think of pygmies hiding out in the bush in NZ too!
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Hello, yes i agree that most of them are in another dimension. I think that encounter the vanload of workers had recently at waipoua was a sighting of spirit.

I hope i can find both of those stories to share here.

But fairly often hunters have odd experinces or hear the patu paiarehe doing their beautiful singing.

I believe there are still some alive and our dimension, in nz!
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Thread: Calling LIGHTWORKERS! A Meeting Place ! (Page 3073)

Step into the Power of the Higher Mind

'We gather to the light of the flame to share the lore of old that brings forth the sacred name. All spoken here is of Io, the Source of Life and in that name, I call Tuatara to bring us to the Dreaming that is of the Rainbow Mind.

'Tuatara of Ancient Times

Child of the Reptiles
Keeper of the Knowledge
And all that has ever been.

Tuatara of the Third Eye

Gateway to the Universe
Mirror of the known realms
And those between.

Tuatara of the Spirit Trails

Carved in mountain and mind
To mark the pathways to the stars
And all unseen.

Open the Portals to the Sacred'




Grandfather held the silence for a long time. To speak of Tuatara was to navigate through difficult tides. He seemed to drift far away, before a child's voice called him back to the fire. Sometimes the little ones see much more than their words convey.

'Why have you called Tuatara, Poua?' cried Kea, the wide-eyed child who told grandfather that she would call him Poua, in the Maori way, if he would be her third grandfather. He'd accepted that with a broad smile, seeing he had already replaced her Katie with Kea. White Eagle, her uncle, had brought her along on the first day as a one-off, babay-sitting favour, but this seven-year-old couldn't be kept away.

'Poua, will we be all right?' Kea asked when he was slow to reply.

'Be no afraid, Tuatara is our friend. It helps us discover the magic of the third eye,' replied the old one with a smile.

'I think I have seen its third eye, Poua, but I didn't know it was magic,' responded Kea, who was remembering her visit to the reptile house at the zoo. She had been drawn to Tuatara in its stillness, was fascinated by its unblinking gaze and if she hadn't actually seen the third eye she had certainly heard of it.

'Ae few know the magic, little one,' he chuckled. 'It's time to see if we can change that, time to walk the magic.... even if I have to sit to do it.'

His little joke at the end came with a wry smile that was reflected back to him by his old companion in life.

Tuatara is the gatekeeper

'When the Ancestors came to these shores, they knew that Tuatara was both ancient and wise. And they saw in its power a path to the Dreaming that is of the Rainbow Mind, for this wondrous creature had a third eye.'

'How does it use its third eye, Poua? asked Kea.

'Tuatara looks to the side with two eyes, and uses a third to reach beyond Space and Time to defy the boundaries that divide. That third eye brings us to the Dreaming that is of the Rainbow Mind.'

'Ive heard of the third eye in my studies, Koro,' offered Emma, Flame's teenage daughter, who had arrived late because of her comparative religions course. University had taken precedence until today.

'It's part of the eastern cultures...about linking mind with spirit...we have it too...in the forehead...its one of the charkas...but we haven't got there yet.'

'Ae, your studies serve us well. Yes, it is an Eastern thing and a Maori thing and there is mystery in that. Tuatara and chinese dragons seem to travel the same trails.'

Truth is paradox within the big mind

Koro, what is the Dreaming that is of the Rainbow Mind? Is it like the Dreamtime of the Australian Aboriginals?' asked Emma.

'I suspect so,' responded the old one. 'It is of that special place where truth is paradox, because the Dreaming is not about sleep! The Dreaming is not about drifting into a cosy space! The Dreaming is not about fluffy stuff without substance! The Dreaming is about waking up. Ae, the Dreaming is about awareness, no, more than that, it is about the ultimate awareness that we call Te Wai Pounamu. And it is that awareness that brings us to the Rainbow Mind.'

'Koro, I dont wish to divert you from your course, but I have to ask about Te Wai Pounamu. It's our name for the South Island, and accepted by all I have met in the north. Am I wrong to see it that way?' asked Mick.

'You are not wrong, for names change. It happens here almost every night,' grandfather said with a chuckle.

'Its not surprising in this age to see the island that is home to our precious Pounamu, carrying the name of the Stone. By penning it on his charts, Captain Cook sealed its place. Yet, the deeper meaning of Te Wai Pounamu remains. The Ancestors gave it not to the land, but to the purest stream of thought, to the river of the Rainbow Mind that flows into the Dream Time that embraces many worlds and speaks of realms unseen.'

'Koro, are you suggesting we have more than one mind?' asked Flame.

'Your question asks me to tear apart the seamless fabric of the mind. I cannot divide that which unites, so I will explore the many facets of the mind, and hope that along the way you find an answer.'

Song Of The Old Tides - Barry Brailsford


Notes - Its interesting about the referance to Reptiles in relationship to the third eye and knowledge. I think i know why there is a vail of fear that hovers over the Reptilian subject, in a way that vail of fear has protected the knowledge, hence the reason why reptiles are seen as protectors or guardians in many ancient cultures.

TuaTara the name is intersting in its self Tua-Tara, TuaTara is also on one side of the NZ five and ten cent coins, with Queen Elizabeth the 2nd on the other.

The part highlighted in Blue, reminded me of message in a bottle/lightson,djed pillar and his measage.

Ref - [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Ref - [link to www.numismaster.com]

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Thread: Calling LIGHTWORKERS! A Meeting Place ! (Page 3073)

Step into the Power of the Higher Mind

'We gather to the light of the flame to share the lore of old that brings forth the sacred name. All spoken here is of Io, the Source of Life and in that name, I call Tuatara to bring us to the Dreaming that is of the Rainbow Mind.

'Tuatara of Ancient Times

Child of the Reptiles
Keeper of the Knowledge
And all that has ever been.

Tuatara of the Third Eye

Gateway to the Universe
Mirror of the known realms
And those between.

Tuatara of the Spirit Trails

Carved in mountain and mind
To mark the pathways to the stars
And all unseen.

Open the Portals to the Sacred'




Grandfather held the silence for a long time. To speak of Tuatara was to navigate through difficult tides. He seemed to drift far away, before a child's voice called him back to the fire. Sometimes the little ones see much more than their words convey.

'Why have you called Tuatara, Poua?' cried Kea, the wide-eyed child who told grandfather that she would call him Poua, in the Maori way, if he would be her third grandfather. He'd accepted that with a broad smile, seeing he had already replaced her Katie with Kea. White Eagle, her uncle, had brought her along on the first day as a one-off, babay-sitting favour, but this seven-year-old couldn't be kept away.

'Poua, will we be all right?' Kea asked when he was slow to reply.

'Be no afraid, Tuatara is our friend. It helps us discover the magic of the third eye,' replied the old one with a smile.

'I think I have seen its third eye, Poua, but I didn't know it was magic,' responded Kea, who was remembering her visit to the reptile house at the zoo. She had been drawn to Tuatara in its stillness, was fascinated by its unblinking gaze and if she hadn't actually seen the third eye she had certainly heard of it.

'Ae few know the magic, little one,' he chuckled. 'It's time to see if we can change that, time to walk the magic.... even if I have to sit to do it.'

His little joke at the end came with a wry smile that was reflected back to him by his old companion in life.

Tuatara is the gatekeeper

'When the Ancestors came to these shores, they knew that Tuatara was both ancient and wise. And they saw in its power a path to the Dreaming that is of the Rainbow Mind, for this wondrous creature had a third eye.'

'How does it use its third eye, Poua? asked Kea.

'Tuatara looks to the side with two eyes, and uses a third to reach beyond Space and Time to defy the boundaries that divide. That third eye brings us to the Dreaming that is of the Rainbow Mind.'

'Ive heard of the third eye in my studies, Koro,' offered Emma, Flame's teenage daughter, who had arrived late because of her comparative religions course. University had taken precedence until today.

'It's part of the eastern cultures...about linking mind with spirit...we have it too...in the forehead...its one of the charkas...but we haven't got there yet.'

'Ae, your studies serve us well. Yes, it is an Eastern thing and a Maori thing and there is mystery in that. Tuatara and chinese dragons seem to travel the same trails.'

Truth is paradox within the big mind

Koro, what is the Dreaming that is of the Rainbow Mind? Is it like the Dreamtime of the Australian Aboriginals?' asked Emma.

'I suspect so,' responded the old one. 'It is of that special place where truth is paradox, because the Dreaming is not about sleep! The Dreaming is not about drifting into a cosy space! The Dreaming is not about fluffy stuff without substance! The Dreaming is about waking up. Ae, the Dreaming is about awareness, no, more than that, it is about the ultimate awareness that we call Te Wai Pounamu. And it is that awareness that brings us to the Rainbow Mind.'

'Koro, I dont wish to divert you from your course, but I have to ask about Te Wai Pounamu. It's our name for the South Island, and accepted by all I have met in the north. Am I wrong to see it that way?' asked Mick.

'You are not wrong, for names change. It happens here almost every night,' grandfather said with a chuckle.

'Its not surprising in this age to see the island that is home to our precious Pounamu, carrying the name of the Stone. By penning it on his charts, Captain Cook sealed its place. Yet, the deeper meaning of Te Wai Pounamu remains. The Ancestors gave it not to the land, but to the purest stream of thought, to the river of the Rainbow Mind that flows into the Dream Time that embraces many worlds and speaks of realms unseen.'

'Koro, are you suggesting we have more than one mind?' asked Flame.

'Your question asks me to tear apart the seamless fabric of the mind. I cannot divide that which unites, so I will explore the many facets of the mind, and hope that along the way you find an answer.'

Song Of The Old Tides - Barry Brailsford


Notes - Its interesting about the referance to Reptiles in relationship to the third eye and knowledge. I think i know why there is a vail of fear that hovers over the Reptilian subject, in a way that vail of fear has protected the knowledge, hence the reason why reptiles are seen as protectors or guardians in many ancient cultures.

TuaTara the name is intersting in its self Tua-Tara, TuaTara is also on one side of the NZ five and ten cent coins, with Queen Elizabeth the 2nd on the other.

The part highlighted in Blue, reminded me of message in a bottle/lightson,djed pillar and his measage.

Ref - [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Ref - [link to www.numismaster.com]

hf
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Different dimension?Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
That's a thought I came up with in the context of my Irish background.
According to the 'legends' after the Tuathe de Danaan were defeated by the Milesians the Tuatha de Danaan went to live in the mounds.Sometimes ordinary people would stumble into their realm and really weird things would happen-time distortions and the like.
There were records of Tuatha de Danaan being around in the flesh centuries later though.
My theory is that most phased over to the Other World, where they live in a realm quite simialar to this one.Maybe.
There are some very peculiar tales by the peasantry in a book by Oscar Wilde's mother 20th century which sound completely realistic -but involving interactions with another realm.
Such as Changelings.
I've got a a Ngai Tahu friend,who is very sceptical of the Waitaha thing, but he's writing and illustrating a book of the local arae and it's myths, and he pointed out a mountain across Lyttelton harbour where a Maori woman had gone to live for several years with the Fairies, and came back a very different person.
Kinda cool to think of pygmies hiding out in the bush in NZ too!
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Hello, yes i agree that most of them are in another dimension. I think that encounter the vanload of workers had recently at waipoua was a sighting of spirit.

I hope i can find both of those stories to share here.

But fairly often hunters have odd experinces or hear the patu paiarehe doing their beautiful singing.

I believe there are still some alive and our dimension, in nz!
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Hello, interesting thanks NZ AC. kinda cool indeed, makes the imagination to start to run wild lol

I agree with you both, could a predicted rise of consousness, help in contacting these dimensions, is that were we will find validation? or a sorts.

Roots of consousness, like a root of a tree in man, upside down, 2 trees, one upright, roots to heaven and earth.

Are there doors/gates here in NZ, opened and closed by magnectic frequancys of consousness? are there gate/doors all around the world?.

Ive heard of people trying to open them.

Is that why you get threads like "The ancestors are returning?)

Mayan callandor connected?

How you open a dimention? the key would be ones own frequantcy, to resonate and activate?

many questions.....Such a wide area and scoop of potential to cover.
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lol Tauranga, you crack me up

Have fun, at least you found a positive from the situation :)

I havent been over there for a while, but ill look over latter, i got some chores i need to get done, and im going to a funtion 2night, so i need get my things prepared.

Have a great day

hf