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Computer scientist cracks mysterious 'Copiale Cipher'

 
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Computer scientist cracks mysterious 'Copiale Cipher'
The manuscript seems straight out of fiction: a strange handwritten message in abstract symbols and Roman letters meticulously covering 105 yellowing pages, hidden in the depths of an academic archive.

Now, more than three centuries after it was devised, the 75,000-character "Copiale Cipher" has finally been broken.

The mysterious cryptogram, bound in gold and green brocade paper, reveals the rituals and political leanings of a 18th-century secret society in Germany. The rituals detailed in the document indicate the secret society had a fascination with eye surgery and ophthalmology, though it seems members of the secret society were not themselves eye doctors.

"This opens up a window for people who study the history of ideas and the history of secret societies," said computer scientist Kevin Knight of the USC Viterbi School of Engineering, part of the international team that finally cracked the Copiale Cipher. "Historians believe that secret societies have had a role in revolutions, but all that is yet to be worked out, and a big part of the reason is because so many documents are enciphered."

To break the Copiale Cipher, Knight and colleagues Beáta Megyesi and Christiane Schaefer of Uppsala University in Sweden tracked down the original manuscript, which was found in the East Berlin Academy after the Cold War and is now in a private collection. They then transcribed a machine-readable version of the text, using a computer program created by Knight to help quantify the co-occurrences of certain symbols and other patterns.

"When you get a new code and look at it, the possibilities are nearly infinite," Knight said. "Once you come up with a hypothesis based on your intuition as a human, you can turn over a lot of grunt work to the computer."

With the Copiale Cipher, the codebreaking team began not even knowing the language of the encrypted document. But they had a hunch about the Roman and Greek characters distributed throughout the manuscript, so they isolated these from the abstract symbols and attacked it as the true code.

"It took quite a long time and resulted in complete failure," Knight says.

After trying 80 languages, the cryptography team realized the Roman characters were "nulls," intended to mislead to reader. It was the abstract symbols that held the message.

Full Article: [link to www.physorg.com]
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ohhellyeah
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wonder what they found...as it relates to civil/social engineeriing & influence, if anything, at all. if that weren't contained, therein, would this even be a quest or story?
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I'm pretty sure it was 75 pages that said.

"Drink more ovaltine"
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Now, more than three centuries after it was devised, the 75,000-character "Copiale Cipher" has finally been broken.
 Quoting: Heretic™


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wonder what they found...as it relates to civil/social engineeriing & influence, if anything, at all. if that weren't contained, therein, would this even be a quest or story?
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After Hiram of Tyre, master supervisor of the construction site of the Temple of Jerusalem, as he once examined
the work, according to his custom (as we learn this in the *nee* of the regular *tri*) and through his death the
*nee* word was lost, one was compelled instead of that word to take on the word m . . b ... n ... The three times
## PAGE 96
fifteen fellows were sent out to visit the *nee*, they said it out loud when they met him, and this word which
even now is the actual word in the regular *tri*, was maintained for may centuries, until finally, in the times of the
crusades in the promised land, when our order was settled with the one of St. John's of Jerusalem.What happened
then, in the time when they worked on the reconstruction of the temple of those Christians in Jerusalem and they
cleared away the foundation of the old temple, it was then whey they discovered the place, which starting from
then they called the most sacred, in which center they found four cubic stones and four round stones, which were
regular foundation stones and which were placed one above the other. The Chevaliers Macons were astonished
with amazement as they say on the last of these
## PAGE 97
stones the word Yehova (this word is not pronounced like this, but out of veneration for the divinity, Adonai),
which was actually the word of the *nee* of Hiram. What did they do with these stones? They kept them safe and
when they returned from the promised land, they carried them to Scotland. After a while, they had the opportunity
to establish the Scottish St. Andrew *tri*, which saint we still celebrate yearly on the thirstiest of November as a
special celebration. Why do we celebrate the celebration of this saint? In remembrance of the fact that the Scots
chose him as their patron. Did the knights of the Scottish masons made no other discovery? Yes, Most Sublime.
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I'm pretty sure it was 75 pages that said.

"Drink more ovaltine"
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afterwards places the candidate his right hand again on the *nee* ornament
and speaks " on this eye I want now " and in eternal times, at distinct moments " to swear to recall the *lip* duty.
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eye surgery and opthamology??????????

and they kept this shit secret???????????????
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[link to aclweb.org]
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Here is the english translation:

[link to stp.lingfil.uu.se]
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Odd that they just refer to the group that made the cipher as secret society. They've got to have a name. Seems it would have been in the encrypted text.
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The manuscript seems straight out of fiction: a strange handwritten message in abstract symbols and Roman letters meticulously covering 105 yellowing pages, hidden in the depths of an academic archive.

Now, more than three centuries after it was devised, the 75,000-character "Copiale Cipher" has finally been broken.

The mysterious cryptogram, bound in gold and green brocade paper, reveals the rituals and political leanings of a 18th-century secret society in Germany. The rituals detailed in the document indicate the secret society had a fascination with eye surgery and ophthalmology, though it seems members of the secret society were not themselves eye doctors.

"This opens up a window for people who study the history of ideas and the history of secret societies," said computer scientist Kevin Knight of the USC Viterbi School of Engineering, part of the international team that finally cracked the Copiale Cipher. "Historians believe that secret societies have had a role in revolutions, but all that is yet to be worked out, and a big part of the reason is because so many documents are enciphered."

To break the Copiale Cipher, Knight and colleagues Beáta Megyesi and Christiane Schaefer of Uppsala University in Sweden tracked down the original manuscript, which was found in the East Berlin Academy after the Cold War and is now in a private collection. They then transcribed a machine-readable version of the text, using a computer program created by Knight to help quantify the co-occurrences of certain symbols and other patterns.

"When you get a new code and look at it, the possibilities are nearly infinite," Knight said. "Once you come up with a hypothesis based on your intuition as a human, you can turn over a lot of grunt work to the computer."

With the Copiale Cipher, the codebreaking team began not even knowing the language of the encrypted document. But they had a hunch about the Roman and Greek characters distributed throughout the manuscript, so they isolated these from the abstract symbols and attacked it as the true code.

"It took quite a long time and resulted in complete failure," Knight says.

After trying 80 languages, the cryptography team realized the Roman characters were "nulls," intended to mislead to reader. It was the abstract symbols that held the message.

Full Article: [link to www.physorg.com]
 Quoting: Heretic™


So now (lets see them) figure out the "Voynich Manuscript"!
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If you read the text...
The words MASON and Masonic appear several times.

It sounds like some retard mason bullshit.
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If you read the text...
The words MASON and Masonic appear several times.

It sounds like some retard mason bullshit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1275523

You mean full retard mason bullshit.
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the eye, maybe they're talking about the third eye in there, or the pineal gland.
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Odd that they just refer to the group that made the cipher as secret society. They've got to have a name. Seems it would have been in the encrypted text.
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I was thinking the same thing when I read the article. I was hoping to do some more research on the society the document was created by.
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The word tobacco also appears. Isnt this supposed to be written by ancient romans?
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[link to www.isi.edu]

This is a description of the cipher method.

Sounds like an interesting document!

The last page of the link shows an "initial" translation of the intro...

Can't wait to see what the whole doc says.
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wonder what they found...as it relates to civil/social engineeriing & influence, if anything, at all. if that weren't contained, therein, would this even be a quest or story?
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After Hiram of Tyre, master supervisor of the construction site of the Temple of Jerusalem, as he once examined
the work, according to his custom (as we learn this in the *nee* of the regular *tri*) and through his death the
*nee* word was lost, one was compelled instead of that word to take on the word m . . b ... n ... The three times
## PAGE 96
fifteen fellows were sent out to visit the *nee*, they said it out loud when they met him, and this word which
even now is the actual word in the regular *tri*, was maintained for may centuries, until finally, in the times of the
crusades in the promised land, when our order was settled with the one of St. John's of Jerusalem.What happened
then, in the time when they worked on the reconstruction of the temple of those Christians in Jerusalem and they
cleared away the foundation of the old temple, it was then whey they discovered the place, which starting from
then they called the most sacred, in which center they found four cubic stones and four round stones, which were
regular foundation stones and which were placed one above the other. The Chevaliers Macons were astonished
with amazement as they say on the last of these
## PAGE 97
stones the word Yehova (this word is not pronounced like this, but out of veneration for the divinity, Adonai),
which was actually the word of the *nee* of Hiram. What did they do with these stones? They kept them safe and
when they returned from the promised land, they carried them to Scotland. After a while, they had the opportunity
to establish the Scottish St. Andrew *tri*, which saint we still celebrate yearly on the thirstiest of November as a
special celebration. Why do we celebrate the celebration of this saint? In remembrance of the fact that the Scots
chose him as their patron. Did the knights of the Scottish masons made no other discovery? Yes, Most Sublime.
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The science behind the fez. Stay thirsty, my friends! :-)
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I love being German :)
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Odd that they just refer to the group that made the cipher as secret society. They've got to have a name. Seems it would have been in the encrypted text.
 Quoting: whoopdeedoo


I was thinking the same thing when I read the article. I was hoping to do some more research on the society the document was created by.
 Quoting: Heretic™


The All Seeing Eye Doctors.
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[link to stp.lingfil.uu.se]
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eye surgery and opthamology??????????

and they kept this shit secret???????????????
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4086713


medicine was a threat to the catholic chuch
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Here is the english translation:

[link to stp.lingfil.uu.se]
 Quoting: RS 1291163


reads like masonic ritual ?

wtf
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I hope they finally crack the "Zodiac Killer's" ciphers with this program!

Those have puzzled me for years!!


5*s OP! Nice find here!

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Reminds me of the movie FROM HELL
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I'm pretty sure it was 75 pages that said.

"Drink more ovaltine"
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rofl


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Now crack the Voynich manuscript
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