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Computer scientist cracks mysterious 'Copiale Cipher'

 
Jasper

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I love being German :)
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i love being scottish!!
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I love being German :)
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You just make sure your people keep making that Becks!

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10/26/2011 07:09 PM
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Now crack the Voynich manuscript
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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tis a fraud of voynich himself. the keepers of the manuscript know this, that is why they wont allow

any form of examination or testing.
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5* and a karma for a cool thread!
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"and the Voynich Manuscript, a medieval document that has baffled professional cryptographers for decades"

Interesting. The first part of the Voynich Manuscript has been decoded and the translations posted here on this forum.

And guess what? It's about the 'EYE'. Something very very terrible about it.

spock
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"the three-headed monster means the rule and governance, which, by means of power and perfidy, deprive man of his natural freedom"

Fucking A. They were anarchists. That's beautiful.
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The manuscript seems straight out of fiction: a strange handwritten message in abstract symbols and Roman letters meticulously covering 105 yellowing pages, hidden in the depths of an academic archive.

Now, more than three centuries after it was devised, the 75,000-character "Copiale Cipher" has finally been broken.

The mysterious cryptogram, bound in gold and green brocade paper, reveals the rituals and political leanings of a 18th-century secret society in Germany. The rituals detailed in the document indicate the secret society had a fascination with eye surgery and ophthalmology, though it seems members of the secret society were not themselves eye doctors.

"This opens up a window for people who study the history of ideas and the history of secret societies," said computer scientist Kevin Knight of the USC Viterbi School of Engineering, part of the international team that finally cracked the Copiale Cipher. "Historians believe that secret societies have had a role in revolutions, but all that is yet to be worked out, and a big part of the reason is because so many documents are enciphered."

To break the Copiale Cipher, Knight and colleagues Beáta Megyesi and Christiane Schaefer of Uppsala University in Sweden tracked down the original manuscript, which was found in the East Berlin Academy after the Cold War and is now in a private collection. They then transcribed a machine-readable version of the text, using a computer program created by Knight to help quantify the co-occurrences of certain symbols and other patterns.

"When you get a new code and look at it, the possibilities are nearly infinite," Knight said. "Once you come up with a hypothesis based on your intuition as a human, you can turn over a lot of grunt work to the computer."

With the Copiale Cipher, the codebreaking team began not even knowing the language of the encrypted document. But they had a hunch about the Roman and Greek characters distributed throughout the manuscript, so they isolated these from the abstract symbols and attacked it as the true code.

"It took quite a long time and resulted in complete failure," Knight says.

After trying 80 languages, the cryptography team realized the Roman characters were "nulls," intended to mislead to reader. It was the abstract symbols that held the message.

Full Article: [link to www.physorg.com]
 Quoting: Heretic™


So now (lets see them) figure out the "Voynich Manuscript"!
 Quoting: Future Viewer 3691371


I saw an article today about that today...on Fox News.com
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"the three-headed monster means the rule and governance, which, by means of power and perfidy, deprive man of his natural freedom"

Fucking A. They were anarchists. That's beautiful.
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

chuckle
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The translations look just like masonic ritual.
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So when does Dan Brown's book get released?
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Pic from the Voynich Manuscript

LOL, It's a freakin' guide to hedonism :) A bunch of chicks in a hot tub, HA!! 15th Century Fraternity initiation handbook maybe?
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10/26/2011 09:58 PM
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The most interesting part is that he is trying to break the zodiac letters.
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Interesting find rockon
For nothing is secret that will not be revealed…

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If you read the text...
The words MASON and Masonic appear several times.

It sounds like some retard mason bullshit.
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You mean full retard mason bullshit.
 Quoting: Eustace the Monk 4091183


I stopped at "Knight and Christiane"
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10/26/2011 11:31 PM
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This could help with understanding the reasons for the all seeing eye. Like some of the history of it. The obsession with eye surgery and what not
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ohhellyeah
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cruise
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"Knight is now targeting other coded messages, including ciphers sent by the Zodiac Killer, a serial murderer who sent taunting messages to the press and has never been caught. Knight is also applying his computer-assisted codebreaking software to other famous unsolved codes such as the last section of "Kryptos," an encrypted message carved into a granite sculpture on the grounds of CIA headquarters, and the Voynich Manuscript, a medieval document that has baffled professional cryptographers for decades."

cool2

will they all be masonic?
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Pic from the Voynich Manuscript

LOL, It's a freakin' guide to hedonism :) A bunch of chicks in a hot tub, HA!! 15th Century Fraternity initiation handbook maybe?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3241609


Here are some translations from the Voynich Manuscript...

Seeing, my friend, as there is power that will prevail [the power would have to refer to the power of the devastation of the eye], be wakeful. It is the appointed time of the Eye. Know also that opponents, deniers, have been allowed by men. They are now the head evil faction. All that are precious to them will be killed.

The stench of sin is in the air. The eye of the moon grows white. Horus returns. That small eye is precious to us. Its removal was a horrible thing. Evil will be separated and burned for it. They will be surrounded by the glider.

What once was will be again. You will be made to drink from this enemy. Truly the eye will destroy everything. It will pound and beat everything like a group of lions. The eye moves in a cycle. The cycle comes again.

The eye. Look carefully into what it means. Take advice. Pray! Take advice, shake with fear. You will be surrounded. Use wisdom and knowledge. Trouble comes from the eye. This enemy will roll up everything.


scared
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Here is the english translation:

[link to stp.lingfil.uu.se]
 Quoting: RS 1291163


reads like masonic ritual ?

wtf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1152154


After reading it I think they were an offshoot of the Masons who wished to have women included in their group and who used the masons and the masonic rituals as an initiation into their own group.

They seemed to believe the masons were irresponsible with the secrets they were given and they also felt that while more discrimination was necessary in choosing members of high moral value they did not think that sex should be a factor in this decision process.

This was actually a really interesting read and it almost seemed like they saw the corruption happening in their group and that people were starting to use the knowledge for personal gain rather than as a way to continue the knowledge so they were working to prevent this while at the same time remaining part of the masonic group themselves Sort of like a double agent or something lol.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3966732


cool2
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Knight has been approaching translation as a cryptographic problem, which could not only improve human language translation but could also be useful in translating languages that are not currently spoken by humans, including ancient languages and animal communication.

:D

hf
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The word tobacco also appears. Isnt this supposed to be written by ancient romans?
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It says in the article that it was written by a secret society in Germany, so no.
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So this is a guide for eye surgery written in code by people who knew nothing about eye surgery?

What a laugh and what a complete letdown!

I'll bet some numbnut was thinking it was a guide to buried treasure, not eyeglasses!!!

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So this is a guide for eye surgery written in code by people who knew nothing about eye surgery?
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Sounds par for the course for 17th century German Freemasons lol
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Notice the requent mention of placing the right hand in front of the eye. In case you haven't noticed, that's what every celebrity (every) has been doing like it's going out of fashion for the last 20 years.
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The "Eye" is pronounced the same as "i", which is a staff and out of it comes a star, the dot. Staff is penis and star is sperm. The hole sperm comes from resembles the shape of the eye.

No doubt about it. Wonder where are all the "Elite bloodline" people not explaining this here.
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Last Edited by Enicham on 10/28/2011 07:13 AM
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I don't get it, this is some of the most interesting news in a long time, but where is the discussion? Many hidden things are to be discovered in that text.
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I don't get it, this is some of the most interesting news in a long time, but where is the discussion? Many hidden things are to be discovered in that text.
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