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Why Christianity is not the Answer for Ritual Abuse Survivors

 
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The issue is that most christians dont even know the content of their own bible.
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That's a very good point and one I've stated many times. They listen diligently to whatever sleazeball makes their way to a podium and they never once validate any of it with their supposed source of righteousness. No wonder they are called sheep.
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You have put into words one of my major beefs with christianity, and religious institutions in general.

How do you co-opt something like love and fuck it up so badly? "God is love"? Then love killed 2 million people, according to the bible.
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"God is love" is one of the profound truths of the bible.

Yet the "god" of the bible is anything BUT loving.

We immediately understand that human abusers are NOT loving. We can all easily agree upon that.

The problem is that when "god" is abusive, it all magically becomes okay. "His ways are not our ways" and we're not allowed to question them, not allowed to be angry, and not allowed to demand an accounting of the atrocities.

Which is another point in the discussion that I'll make a new post for.
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Sandi, you've really shown your courage by creating this thread. If there was a God, I'd pray for you to recover fully. But it would be a pointless gesture. Thank you for making me feel less alone for a brief moment.
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damn straight. allowing deeply held beliefs to be open to the light of critical scrutiny is something that nearly no christians do. Its exactly the thing that makes them complacent with their god who is ok with rape, slavery, and genocide.
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You have put into words one of my major beefs with christianity, and religious institutions in general.

How do you co-opt something like love and fuck it up so badly? "God is love"? Then love killed 2 million people, according to the bible.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1343060


"God is love" is one of the profound truths of the bible.

Yet the "god" of the bible is anything BUT loving.

We immediately understand that human abusers are NOT loving. We can all easily agree upon that.

The problem is that when "god" is abusive, it all magically becomes okay. "His ways are not our ways" and we're not allowed to question them, not allowed to be angry, and not allowed to demand an accounting of the atrocities.

Which is another point in the discussion that I'll make a new post for.
 Quoting: Sandi_T


Sandi, you've really shown your courage by creating this thread. If there was a God, I'd pray for you to recover fully. But it would be a pointless gesture. Thank you for making me feel less alone for a brief moment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3884627


damn straight. allowing deeply held beliefs to be open to the light of critical scrutiny is something that nearly no christians do. Its exactly the thing that makes them complacent with their god who is ok with rape, slavery, and genocide.
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It happens every single day. A person dares to cross a religious boundary and "lo and behold" they discover some fucking truth for a change.
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The issue is that most christians dont even know the content of their own bible.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1343060


That's a very good point and one I've stated many times. They listen diligently to whatever sleazeball makes their way to a podium and they never once validate any of it with their supposed source of righteousness. No wonder they are called sheep.
 Quoting: Sandi_T


Most never take the time to actually crack the book at all. Its baffling to me how I was able to so strongly believe the bible was true without having actually read it.

Then i DID read it. That was the single best thing I have done in relation to my former christianity. Ive read it many times since then.
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Sandi, you've really shown your courage by creating this thread. If there was a God, I'd pray for you to recover fully. But it would be a pointless gesture. Thank you for making me feel less alone for a brief moment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3884627


You are definitely not alone. And you have the right to be angry and hurt.

If you're anywhere near NH, let me know. I'll come give you a hug.

There are many of us beginning to speak out in hopes of ending the cycles of abuse and the religions that protect them.

I'm not going to ask you to believe in God, and I'm not going to try to convince you of anything. My spiritual knowledge is not evangelical and I have no desire to convince or convert you.

Please know that I genuinely care about you as a person, and you need not fear any such discussion or pressure from me.

I know that you may feel that my belief in any God at all makes us on other sides of the fence, but I don't see it that way at all, because I have no expectations of you.

I care about you as a fellow human being and a fellow traveler.

I see your good heart from your words and from your continued choice to choose good.

I hope that you feel less alone, a lot more often, until someday you know that you're lovable and worthwhile simply because you're a human being--but even more because, in spite of all you've faced, you still choose to be, and to do, good.

flowas
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That's a very good point and one I've stated many times. They listen diligently to whatever sleazeball makes their way to a podium and they never once validate any of it with their supposed source of righteousness. No wonder they are called sheep.
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Most never take the time to actually crack the book at all. Its baffling to me how I was able to so strongly believe the bible was true without having actually read it.

Then i DID read it. That was the single best thing I have done in relation to my former christianity. Ive read it many times since then.
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I studied the bible quite extensively.

I was trying to hold onto my faith and immerse myself in order to kill the uncertainty and questions that had arisen within me...

It didn't work. Quite the opposite. chuckle
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Sandi, you've really shown your courage by creating this thread. If there was a God, I'd pray for you to recover fully. But it would be a pointless gesture. Thank you for making me feel less alone for a brief moment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3884627


You are definitely not alone. And you have the right to be angry and hurt.

If you're anywhere near NH, let me know. I'll come give you a hug.

There are many of us beginning to speak out in hopes of ending the cycles of abuse and the religions that protect them.

I'm not going to ask you to believe in God, and I'm not going to try to convince you of anything. My spiritual knowledge is not evangelical and I have no desire to convince or convert you.

Please know that I genuinely care about you as a person, and you need not fear any such discussion or pressure from me.

I know that you may feel that my belief in any God at all makes us on other sides of the fence, but I don't see it that way at all, because I have no expectations of you.

I care about you as a fellow human being and a fellow traveler.

I see your good heart from your words and from your continued choice to choose good.

I hope that you feel less alone, a lot more often, until someday you know that you're lovable and worthwhile simply because you're a human being--but even more because, in spite of all you've faced, you still choose to be, and to do, good.

flowas
 Quoting: Sandi_T


I gave 100% for a solid decade. I left the church with absolute proof of God's nonexistence.

As for the hug, I'm ~1500 miles from you. So, in lieu of a real hug, we can simultaneously place our hands on our own shoulders with our arms crossed and lightly squeeze.
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Yes, that's another part of the picture. These people reject you. Enough said. How can you possibly believe anything they try and teach you? You can't trust them because they've judged you over an illness. All they expect from you is wickedness and for the rest of your childhood the things you should be taught aren't bothered with since it will have on influence on an evil child. No, instead of raising you to be a productive adult, they forewarn everyone they make contact with of your evilness so they new acquaintance will know to blame you rather than the shitty parents. And yet they call themselves Christian.


Wow! That one hit home with the exception of the Christian ending. I wasn't raised in churchiness so I didn't think to blame God for what happened to me. It still happens to children with or without religion. I always thought it happened because of either a complete lack of compatibility between parent and child or the basic weakness of the parent's character.
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Sandi, you've really shown your courage by creating this thread. If there was a God, I'd pray for you to recover fully. But it would be a pointless gesture. Thank you for making me feel less alone for a brief moment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3884627


You are definitely not alone. And you have the right to be angry and hurt.

If you're anywhere near NH, let me know. I'll come give you a hug.

There are many of us beginning to speak out in hopes of ending the cycles of abuse and the religions that protect them.

I'm not going to ask you to believe in God, and I'm not going to try to convince you of anything. My spiritual knowledge is not evangelical and I have no desire to convince or convert you.

Please know that I genuinely care about you as a person, and you need not fear any such discussion or pressure from me.

I know that you may feel that my belief in any God at all makes us on other sides of the fence, but I don't see it that way at all, because I have no expectations of you.

I care about you as a fellow human being and a fellow traveler.

I see your good heart from your words and from your continued choice to choose good.

I hope that you feel less alone, a lot more often, until someday you know that you're lovable and worthwhile simply because you're a human being--but even more because, in spite of all you've faced, you still choose to be, and to do, good.

flowas
 Quoting: Sandi_T


That's the other end of the "problem". I've been engineered to be unlovable. My standard reaction is that which I was taught: to reject and loathe. It's so deeply seated there is no answer for it. I wish I could care back, but I don't know what that feels like; I have no experience to draw from.
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I don't really agree. It's not "your fault." It is the world's fault for generally being devoid of God. Sin and evil is plain and simply the lack of God.

You don't need Christianity to find God. If your heart is willing, then God will show Himself to you. If you approach Him with a pure heart and soul, God will show Himself to you.

Christianity obviously gets bad names because it is a religion, and like all religions, it has flaws. But there really are Christians out there who truly understand that God is something more than the bible could ever explain.

I believe in and love God, I suppose you can say He is the Christian God. However, calling myself a Christian is hard to do because of the negativity associated with that word.

But I'll tell you what. I have never felt intimidated by God or His rules; I have never felt like any mistake I made was my fault. My evil mistakes and abuses were simply because I and my significant others were missing God in our lives. Once you realize that God is a God who heals, loves, and forgives...no matter what, it is such an amazing feeling to feel His love.
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Sandi please please flee the mind cult abusing you. It is easy to do just knock on the church door for help to turn your abusive life around.
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HEY she did and has been telling that story forever here. What she saw when she took your advice long ago was not her answer and she saw stuff that would raise the hair on your xxxxx. There is no church that can do for YOU, exactly NONE. Your relationship with the divine is YOURS alone and nothing can create that. Sandi is not in any mind cult. go read her history before you post such as this.

Your churches have done more to move mankind backwards than any other organization on the globe, even worse I am told by those spending time in Indonesia and the Middle east, than Islam.

If your churches were actually walking WITH the one labeled Jesus christ (which was not ever his name and is not his name now), you would have not allowed the destruction in the Middle East since 911.
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That's a very good point and one I've stated many times. They listen diligently to whatever sleazeball makes their way to a podium and they never once validate any of it with their supposed source of righteousness. No wonder they are called sheep.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3884627


Most never take the time to actually crack the book at all. Its baffling to me how I was able to so strongly believe the bible was true without having actually read it.

Then i DID read it. That was the single best thing I have done in relation to my former christianity. Ive read it many times since then.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1343060


I studied the bible quite extensively.

I was trying to hold onto my faith and immerse myself in order to kill the uncertainty and questions that had arisen within me...

It didn't work. Quite the opposite. chuckle
 Quoting: Sandi_T


I found that praying for God to show me what He wants me to understand makes all the difference in Biblical understanding. It also helps when reading the other ancient text. And, no, I don't have a preferred bible. Read or watch anything you want, but always ask for God's wisdom. Your thread is such as this for me. I thank you for your honesty and kindness in sharing your story. You have touched many more people, Christians included, than you know.
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I don't really agree. It's not "your fault." It is the world's fault for generally being devoid of God. Sin and evil is plain and simply the lack of God.

You don't need Christianity to find God. If your heart is willing, then God will show Himself to you. If you approach Him with a pure heart and soul, God will show Himself to you.

Christianity obviously gets bad names because it is a religion, and like all religions, it has flaws. But there really are Christians out there who truly understand that God is something more than the bible could ever explain.

I believe in and love God, I suppose you can say He is the Christian God. However, calling myself a Christian is hard to do because of the negativity associated with that word.

But I'll tell you what. I have never felt intimidated by God or His rules; I have never felt like any mistake I made was my fault. My evil mistakes and abuses were simply because I and my significant others were missing God in our lives. Once you realize that God is a God who heals, loves, and forgives...no matter what, it is such an amazing feeling to feel His love.
 Quoting: AkelDama


All those that have found God, do not label themselves by religion. If you believe in god, its not the christian God you believe in and since you know God by your post, why on earth are you using the word "believe" in the fist place. Believing is a postulate, so is God in your life or not, or are you still postulating it? choose your words carefully.



And your errors are your fault, and even after people find God they make errors from inexperience. the road to perfection, is long. Knowing and allowing GOD WITHIN YOU to guide you will however, shorten that trip.
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Sandi, you've really shown your courage by creating this thread. If there was a God, I'd pray for you to recover fully. But it would be a pointless gesture. Thank you for making me feel less alone for a brief moment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3884627


You are definitely not alone. And you have the right to be angry and hurt.

If you're anywhere near NH, let me know. I'll come give you a hug.

There are many of us beginning to speak out in hopes of ending the cycles of abuse and the religions that protect them.

I'm not going to ask you to believe in God, and I'm not going to try to convince you of anything. My spiritual knowledge is not evangelical and I have no desire to convince or convert you.

Please know that I genuinely care about you as a person, and you need not fear any such discussion or pressure from me.

I know that you may feel that my belief in any God at all makes us on other sides of the fence, but I don't see it that way at all, because I have no expectations of you.

I care about you as a fellow human being and a fellow traveler.

I see your good heart from your words and from your continued choice to choose good.

I hope that you feel less alone, a lot more often, until someday you know that you're lovable and worthwhile simply because you're a human being--but even more because, in spite of all you've faced, you still choose to be, and to do, good.

flowas
 Quoting: Sandi_T


I gave 100% for a solid decade. I left the church with absolute proof of God's nonexistence.

As for the hug, I'm ~1500 miles from you. So, in lieu of a real hug, we can simultaneously place our hands on our own shoulders with our arms crossed and lightly squeeze.
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No you didn't. Proof????
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Yes, that's another part of the picture. These people reject you. Enough said. How can you possibly believe anything they try and teach you? You can't trust them because they've judged you over an illness. All they expect from you is wickedness and for the rest of your childhood the things you should be taught aren't bothered with since it will have on influence on an evil child. No, instead of raising you to be a productive adult, they forewarn everyone they make contact with of your evilness so they new acquaintance will know to blame you rather than the shitty parents. And yet they call themselves Christian.


Wow! That one hit home with the exception of the Christian ending. I wasn't raised in churchiness so I didn't think to blame God for what happened to me. It still happens to children with or without religion. I always thought it happened because of either a complete lack of compatibility between parent and child or the basic weakness of the parent's character.


Anyway, I'm out of this conversation. The finger pointers and zealots have arrived distributing their continuous flow if bullshit, self delusion and outright lies. I get this at home.. no need to log onto a forum for it.
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Because I am a ritual abuse survivor, I hear a lot about how Christianity has 'saved' and 'given hope' to 'so many' other ritual abuse survivors. How it's the answer to their misery and their pain.

There are a lot of reasons why this is not true.

I'll start on the first one for now, and get into some of the other reasons why Christianity is really just as big a problem from an abusive standpoint later.

Reason number one, and probably the most important one, is the whole teaching from Christianity about how humans are inherently bad/evil/sinners/etc.

The main practice of abuse is making the abuse out to be the fault of the person who is being abused. So, for example, I saw some children be killed and others raped or beaten. I was told that they were being harmed because of my personal failure.

This is a standard issue punishment/brutality used on abuse victims.

This mentality of "it's your fault" and "you are bad" is actively reflected in Christianity in multiple ways. One is, as I stated, simply the basic premise. We must be "saved".

How?

Someone has to die because of us. That's the first gross abuse. Someone was killed, and it's all your fault. Someone suffered horrific abuse, and it's all your fault.

The basic premise of Christianity is that. And it is the SAME premise upon which a significant portion of the abuse of ritual abuse is predicated: others are abused because you are bad.

Therefor the basic premise of the christian religion underscores this brutal suppression of the victim's right to feel worthwhile, acceptable, worthy, loveable. It suppresses the natural right we all have not to be made to feel that our very existence forces suffering upon others (even one other).

Anyway, that's the first and probably deepest issue with trying to save victims--ANY victims, with christianity. Because victimization often includes this "it's your fault" aspect. Christianity supports that terrible lie.

But it takes it beyond "it's your fault because you are bad" or "because you disobeyed" and makes it into the very fact of your existence and your humanity makes you evil and just being BORN made Jesus have to suffer and die.

Beyond the level of wrongdoing, it takes it to the level of our personal EXISTENCE (which we do not control as human beings) being BAD.

But, as I'll discuss tomorrow, that's just the tip of the iceberg in how christianity actually exacerbates, not improves, the painful condition of people who have suffered such horrific abuses.

Hopefully by the time I am finished with explaining the various ways in which this religion worsens the mental state of ritual abuse victims, people will begin to stop trying to 'save' abuse victims by telling them that they're bad people and going to be burned and tortured (as if they haven't already!).

I doubt it. But slim hope is some hope, I suppose.
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Obviously you are void of understanding...read it again.
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So, when did you get your magical decoder ring that allows your opinion of what the bible says to be more valid than Sandi's, or mine?
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3/17/79. Thanks for asking.
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I don't really agree. It's not "your fault." It is the world's fault for generally being devoid of God. Sin and evil is plain and simply the lack of God.

You don't need Christianity to find God. If your heart is willing, then God will show Himself to you. If you approach Him with a pure heart and soul, God will show Himself to you.

Christianity obviously gets bad names because it is a religion, and like all religions, it has flaws. But there really are Christians out there who truly understand that God is something more than the bible could ever explain.

I believe in and love God, I suppose you can say He is the Christian God. However, calling myself a Christian is hard to do because of the negativity associated with that word.

But I'll tell you what. I have never felt intimidated by God or His rules; I have never felt like any mistake I made was my fault. My evil mistakes and abuses were simply because I and my significant others were missing God in our lives. Once you realize that God is a God who heals, loves, and forgives...no matter what, it is such an amazing feeling to feel His love.
 Quoting: AkelDama


All those that have found God, do not label themselves by religion. If you believe in god, its not the christian God you believe in and since you know God by your post, why on earth are you using the word "believe" in the fist place. Believing is a postulate, so is God in your life or not, or are you still postulating it? choose your words carefully.



And your errors are your fault, and even after people find God they make errors from inexperience. the road to perfection, is long. Knowing and allowing GOD WITHIN YOU to guide you will however, shorten that trip.
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The problem for abuse victims is that they don't feel worthy of God's love and although many of them BELIEVE in God and some of them even KNOW him, it is a completely different ball of wax to step out and walk in that LOVE. Abused people don't trust love.
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I don't really agree. It's not "your fault." It is the world's fault for generally being devoid of God. Sin and evil is plain and simply the lack of God.

You don't need Christianity to find God. If your heart is willing, then God will show Himself to you. If you approach Him with a pure heart and soul, God will show Himself to you.

Christianity obviously gets bad names because it is a religion, and like all religions, it has flaws. But there really are Christians out there who truly understand that God is something more than the bible could ever explain.

I believe in and love God, I suppose you can say He is the Christian God. However, calling myself a Christian is hard to do because of the negativity associated with that word.

But I'll tell you what. I have never felt intimidated by God or His rules; I have never felt like any mistake I made was my fault. My evil mistakes and abuses were simply because I and my significant others were missing God in our lives. Once you realize that God is a God who heals, loves, and forgives...no matter what, it is such an amazing feeling to feel His love.
 Quoting: AkelDama


All those that have found God, do not label themselves by religion. If you believe in god, its not the christian God you believe in and since you know God by your post, why on earth are you using the word "believe" in the fist place. Believing is a postulate, so is God in your life or not, or are you still postulating it? choose your words carefully.



And your errors are your fault, and even after people find God they make errors from inexperience. the road to perfection, is long. Knowing and allowing GOD WITHIN YOU to guide you will however, shorten that trip.
 Quoting: Nobody in Particular


Trust me I have found God. I compare Him to the Christian version because in MY heart, that is who He is most like. My God loves, cares for, and forgives me and my past.

I didn't find God through any religion. He showed Himself to me in MY heart. I searched within my soul, I went into "seclusion" from the world. I studied and was awed by nature. Eventually the concept of God started to take shape in me.

Fine, I don't "believe"--I KNOW. Sound better? I have seen your teachings, and beliefs on this site. And I can't I fully disagree with you. But one thing that is true is that the Truth is withing our hearts...nothing is objective.

Yes, it is a long path. I am not saying I will make it in this life time. Perhaps my after life, or my reincarnated life will bring me a bit closer to Him. Until now, I respect and love God; the Christian God, the Islamic God, etc. It doesn't matter. Because they all agree on one thing...and that's God=Love. And God IS love. That is the first step to understanding Him.

Peace and love to you :) :peace:

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Actually, I'm basing "christianity" upon the BIBLE, not upon any given denomination.

I'm using the bible itself as the basis for "the teachings of christianity", not Baptist or Methodist or Catholic doctrines/interpretations of the bible.
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You say that you are basing "Christianity" on the bible itself well then you are mistaken if you think that Jesus Christ or those who follow his teachings would even approach being ritual abusers.

It's sad to see people get a message that the bible is wrong because people use it to do evil. There is no evil if one follows the teachings of Jesus Christ. If you deviate from that then you aren't a "Christian".

Of course evil people will use others' beliefs to trap or abuse them. That doesn't make the bible or followers of Jesus Christ evil.

We may not understand why God does things but then children don't always understand why parents do things that are good for them. In the long run none of us gets out of this alive and God knows what He is doing. Trust in the God of Abraham and Jacob and follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers (Eph. 4:29)
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I only read a few sentences into your post but stopped at the 'sinners' part of it due to your lack of comrehension as to what that is. We , through the fall of Adam and Eve became subject to death. We are born into a state of decay and corruption of the flesh and to that we fall heir to the 'sin'.

None of us, not one, could, through the law to which we add daily new ones, escape this state except through Jesus grace He died to shed upon us and to forgive without anything but the full measure of His bestowing this upon all of mankind.

When you accept what He did for all to share there is no guilt regarding anything as all has been forgiven without exception. To believe otherwise is to crucify Him over and over by the refusal to accept the fulness of this. To not accept this is to dany thazt He was sufficient.

So when the abused accept this they are totally and utterly free forever.
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I only read a few sentences into your post but stopped at the 'sinners' part of it due to your lack of comrehension as to what that is. We , through the fall of Adam and Eve became subject to death. We are born into a state of decay and corruption of the flesh and to that we fall heir to the 'sin'.

None of us, not one, could, through the law to which we add daily new ones, escape this state except through Jesus grace He died to shed upon us and to forgive without anything but the full measure of His bestowing this upon all of mankind.

When you accept what He did for all to share there is no guilt regarding anything as all has been forgiven without exception. To believe otherwise is to crucify Him over and over by the refusal to accept the fulness of this. To not accept this is to dany thazt He was sufficient.

So when the abused accept this they are totally and utterly free forever.
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Awesome!! Good post my friend

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I gave 100% for a solid decade. I left the church with absolute proof of God's nonexistence.

As for the hug, I'm ~1500 miles from you. So, in lieu of a real hug, we can simultaneously place our hands on our own shoulders with our arms crossed and lightly squeeze.
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No you didn't. Proof????


Ok, I'll get back in the Topic to explain that. I spent 10 years in the UPC(United Pentecostal Church), a member of UPCI.
In a pentecostal church, your standing as a member revolves around your ability to convince others you have received the "holy spirit" by giving the initial sign of speaking in "tongues". Ok, the bible strongly supports this doctrine as it is centered around Acts 2:38. For ten years I saw people "receive" the "holy spirit" and I got to know about half of the 200+ members of that local church. I also witnessed their lives after their supposed "infilling of spirit". This is what I found. The pastor. Arnold Baughman cared about nothing other than receiving generous portions of the congregation's money. People continued engaging in all the "sins" of which they were supposedly enlightened about and and shielded from.
I was a member in good standing for three of those ten years until one day, one of my family discovered that I had joined a church and promptly called them up to indoctrinate them with my evil past, you know, being born sickly. With all the power of their gifts of discernment, they believed every word of it, each and every one of them.

So, I dumped that church and joined one 200 miles away. I made the mistake of informing the new church, when asked if I had and prior experience with the UPC and the infilling of the holy spirit, that I had attended the Northeast Pentecostal church of Fayetteville, Arkansas. The next Sunday after I drove the 200 miles to church and have given them a gift of $5,000, I was asked to not come back. Why? They had contacted the church in Fayetteville to see why I left. The showed me: no ability to forgive, no discernment, no concern for anything but money. They even tried to sue me after I canceled payment of the $5,000 check.

If this is God's church, he can go fuck himself silly.
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God who i know, never promised you a wonderful life filled with the things of this world. In fact you as a true
believer shall suffer and be rejected by this world.

The love of God is proven when Jesus gave himself up to be
crucified paving the way for your salvation.

When Jesus said " do you wish to be my disciples"?...First
deny self, carry your cross than fellow me!

nowhere He said i will lavish you with earthly things rather
He will grant you spiritual nourishment to continue to work
out your salvation.


Nothing is free, all has cost, sin and pleasure have a
high price in this world. so too is the saving Grace of
God.


It is hard thing to accept, however, look around this dying world? who in his right mind would denied Jesus and seek after the lust of this world?

only a foolish person would do that
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God who i know, never promised you a wonderful life filled with the things of this world. In fact you as a true
believer shall suffer and be rejected by this world.

The love of God is proven when Jesus gave himself up to be
crucified paving the way for your salvation.

When Jesus said " do you wish to be my disciples"?...First
deny self, carry your cross than fellow me!

nowhere He said i will lavish you with earthly things rather
He will grant you spiritual nourishment to continue to work
out your salvation.


Nothing is free, all has cost, sin and pleasure have a
high price in this world. so too is the saving Grace of
God.


It is hard thing to accept, however, look around this dying world? who in his right mind would denied Jesus and seek after the lust of this world?

only a foolish person would do that
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He promised to heal us all. Fucking liars, I hate them.
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I gave 100% for a solid decade. I left the church with absolute proof of God's nonexistence.

As for the hug, I'm ~1500 miles from you. So, in lieu of a real hug, we can simultaneously place our hands on our own shoulders with our arms crossed and lightly squeeze.
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I accept your disbelief and I'm fine with it. I'm expected to speak with Seekers, and I'm not allowed to answer mockers. If you don't ask me, I won't bother you about it.

Thank you for the virtual hug. :)

Anyway, I'm out of this conversation. The finger pointers and zealots have arrived distributing their continuous flow if bullshit, self delusion and outright lies. I get this at home.. no need to log onto a forum for it.
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I hope you found, and find, some peace.

For what it's worth, I don't expect anything of you. I am not asking you to care, just telling you that I do. That's all. No strings or expectations.

hf
No more requests in the "Strangest things" thread please. :hf:

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For what it's worth, I don't expect anything of you. I am not asking you to care, just telling you that I do. That's all. No strings or expectations.

hf
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And none were perceived. You were completely transparent.
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Thank you so much for this thread, Sandi. hf I'm an abuse survivor, myself,and I agreed wholeheartedly with what you've expressed, here. Wishing you much love, healing, and all good things... happyheart
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Actually, I'm basing "christianity" upon the BIBLE, not upon any given denomination.

I'm using the bible itself as the basis for "the teachings of christianity", not Baptist or Methodist or Catholic doctrines/interpretations of the bible.
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You say that you are basing "Christianity" on the bible itself well then you are mistaken if you think that Jesus Christ or those who follow his teachings would even approach being ritual abusers.

It's sad to see people get a message that the bible is wrong because people use it to do evil. There is no evil if one follows the teachings of Jesus Christ. If you deviate from that then you aren't a "Christian".

Of course evil people will use others' beliefs to trap or abuse them. That doesn't make the bible or followers of Jesus Christ evil.

We may not understand why God does things but then children don't always understand why parents do things that are good for them. In the long run none of us gets out of this alive and God knows what He is doing. Trust in the God of Abraham and Jacob and follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.
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Frankly, I don't think you're understanding what I am saying here.

I don't even know how to explain it to you, since you've missed it thus far.

I'm not speaking to what you're speaking to. I'm saying that 'getting saved' and following christianity is bad for people who WERE (or are being--by whomever) abused (especially the extreme abuse of ritual abuse).

I'm not saying that all christians are ritualistic abusers.

I don't understand how you came to that conclusion, so I will just end it at that.
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I only read a few sentences into your post but stopped at the 'sinners' part of it due to your lack of comrehension as to what that is. We , through the fall of Adam and Eve became subject to death. We are born into a state of decay and corruption of the flesh and to that we fall heir to the 'sin'.

None of us, not one, could, through the law to which we add daily new ones, escape this state except through Jesus grace He died to shed upon us and to forgive without anything but the full measure of His bestowing this upon all of mankind.

When you accept what He did for all to share there is no guilt regarding anything as all has been forgiven without exception. To believe otherwise is to crucify Him over and over by the refusal to accept the fulness of this. To not accept this is to dany thazt He was sufficient.

So when the abused accept this they are totally and utterly free forever.
 Quoting: Mickeyblue 4137363


You didn't bother to listen to her and show her a little compassion. What makes you think if you dismiss someone's plight that they will listen to your advice? God listens to your prayers and your worries even if they may seem silly to Him.

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