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so if I wanted to fake a vaccination record...

 
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so if I wanted to fake a vaccination record...
This is a hard post to write. Some background:

CDC also asks for the name of your Dr. to verify that your children had the shots. They also ask for permission to access school records. They do check up on what ever you say.

My thinking is that if they find out your child is not vaccinated, the next step will be to show up at the school and remove the child and forcibly vaccinate your child, or alternately, they will not allow your child into school. Then they will have you charged with child endangerment.

This is the Gestapo at work folks. You all better get some legal advice on just what your rights really are to protect your children. Play them at their own game.
 Quoting: ohhappydays


Because of 1) the chance of what's described in the post above, and because 2) my spouse and I unfortunately disagree vehemently on whether to begin some "basic" vaccines for our almost 2 year old daughter, I am actually very sad to be on here today asking you guys very seriously, do you think I can pull off getting a "fake" vac record for my child?

I'm here seeking both feedback and additional ideas. These are the options I've brainstormed so far, and that I'm literally prepared to do:

a) take the nurse aside (community clinic) in whatever little room we're in and offer her good cash to *not* administer the shot, but provide the records as if she had.

one negative with this is it would have to be an ongoing process- I would probably have to return to the very same nurse. concerned w/ feasability of this.

b) skip the community clinic visit entirely but simply pay for the service of faking a health record from said clinic. this would be the first time looking for a "black-market" type service. I feel dense, but it's like, "where do I start" ?

c) if I got really industrious, I suppose I could create the fake docs myself, with enough time, research and resources. this seems like a huge enterprise though, and it would have to be good enough to present to doctors, institutions etc for a few years and not be questioned.

Very interested in any similar situations where you have had successes.

Thanks for considering. I know some of this may garner hate posts or big disagreement posts. Thank you everyone for your input.
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10/27/2011 12:54 PM
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Re: so if I wanted to fake a vaccination record...
[link to www.informationliberation.com]

[link to vaclib.org]
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10/27/2011 01:12 PM
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Re: so if I wanted to fake a vaccination record...
OP, it's as simple as getting a waiver form for your state....

And if you live in Texas, it's so gosh darn easy to keep your kids "clean" from Vaccinations....

Here's a link

all states:
[link to www.vaclib.org]

Texas:
[link to webds.dshs.state.tx.us]
[link to vaccineinfo.net]
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10/27/2011 05:28 PM
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Re: so if I wanted to fake a vaccination record...
those options are good options, but the main thing unfortunately right now is the family issue of it. My spouse feels it's already a huge compromise in just agreeing to narrow the vaccines down to just the "basic" vaccines for her. There's no budging, and since then I've felt it's not conscienable of me to have her have even one. I feel that I'm harming our daughter if she receives them, spouse feels like she's being harmed if she does not receive them. trust me, it sucks.

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Re: so if I wanted to fake a vaccination record...
Here in Louisiana we wouldn't be able to fake a vaccine record, the state keeps record regardless of which doc you go to. I would ask for a waiver from the school, although those laws could change or it may be different in your state. Good luck.
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10/28/2011 10:58 AM
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Re: so if I wanted to fake a vaccination record...
Here in Louisiana we wouldn't be able to fake a vaccine record, the state keeps record regardless of which doc you go to. I would ask for a waiver from the school, although those laws could change or it may be different in your state. Good luck.
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A 1oz gold coin, may sway somebody to miss the arm on an injection, and report it as good.
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10/28/2011 11:01 AM
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Re: so if I wanted to fake a vaccination record...
OP, it's as simple as getting a waiver form for your state....

And if you live in Texas, it's so gosh darn easy to keep your kids "clean" from Vaccinations....

Here's a link

all states:
[link to www.vaclib.org]

Texas:
[link to webds.dshs.state.tx.us]
[link to vaccineinfo.net]
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There will come a time when state waivers will no longer apply. At that time, when you are alone with the injector, a 1 oz gold coin could be very persuasive.
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Re: so if I wanted to fake a vaccination record...
Here in Louisiana we wouldn't be able to fake a vaccine record, the state keeps record regardless of which doc you go to. I would ask for a waiver from the school, although those laws could change or it may be different in your state. Good luck.
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A 1oz gold coin, may sway somebody to miss the arm on an injection, and report it as good.
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LOL I wish. I didn't like the doc that my kids went to, we haven't been back since.
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Re: so if I wanted to fake a vaccination record...
why don't you just homeschool your daughter???
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Re: so if I wanted to fake a vaccination record...
Do it
I have done the same
quite often its simply a date accurately placed on a yellow card.
do the work and your child wont be infected with god knows what (mercury retardation) in those shots.

en-nurse
Peace n good for you

This is a hard post to write. Some background:

CDC also asks for the name of your Dr. to verify that your children had the shots. They also ask for permission to access school records. They do check up on what ever you say.

My thinking is that if they find out your child is not vaccinated, the next step will be to show up at the school and remove the child and forcibly vaccinate your child, or alternately, they will not allow your child into school. Then they will have you charged with child endangerment.

This is the Gestapo at work folks. You all better get some legal advice on just what your rights really are to protect your children. Play them at their own game.
 Quoting: ohhappydays


Because of 1) the chance of what's described in the post above, and because 2) my spouse and I unfortunately disagree vehemently on whether to begin some "basic" vaccines for our almost 2 year old daughter, I am actually very sad to be on here today asking you guys very seriously, do you think I can pull off getting a "fake" vac record for my child?

I'm here seeking both feedback and additional ideas. These are the options I've brainstormed so far, and that I'm literally prepared to do:

a) take the nurse aside (community clinic) in whatever little room we're in and offer her good cash to *not* administer the shot, but provide the records as if she had.

one negative with this is it would have to be an ongoing process- I would probably have to return to the very same nurse. concerned w/ feasability of this.

b) skip the community clinic visit entirely but simply pay for the service of faking a health record from said clinic. this would be the first time looking for a "black-market" type service. I feel dense, but it's like, "where do I start" ?

c) if I got really industrious, I suppose I could create the fake docs myself, with enough time, research and resources. this seems like a huge enterprise though, and it would have to be good enough to present to doctors, institutions etc for a few years and not be questioned.

Very interested in any similar situations where you have had successes.

Thanks for considering. I know some of this may garner hate posts or big disagreement posts. Thank you everyone for your input.
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11/22/2012 10:02 AM

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Re: so if I wanted to fake a vaccination record...
This is a hard post to write. Some background:

CDC also asks for the name of your Dr. to verify that your children had the shots. They also ask for permission to access school records. They do check up on what ever you say.

My thinking is that if they find out your child is not vaccinated, the next step will be to show up at the school and remove the child and forcibly vaccinate your child, or alternately, they will not allow your child into school. Then they will have you charged with child endangerment.

This is the Gestapo at work folks. You all better get some legal advice on just what your rights really are to protect your children. Play them at their own game.
 Quoting: ohhappydays


Because of 1) the chance of what's described in the post above, and because 2) my spouse and I unfortunately disagree vehemently on whether to begin some "basic" vaccines for our almost 2 year old daughter, I am actually very sad to be on here today asking you guys very seriously, do you think I can pull off getting a "fake" vac record for my child?

I'm here seeking both feedback and additional ideas. These are the options I've brainstormed so far, and that I'm literally prepared to do:

a) take the nurse aside (community clinic) in whatever little room we're in and offer her good cash to *not* administer the shot, but provide the records as if she had.

one negative with this is it would have to be an ongoing process- I would probably have to return to the very same nurse. concerned w/ feasability of this.

b) skip the community clinic visit entirely but simply pay for the service of faking a health record from said clinic. this would be the first time looking for a "black-market" type service. I feel dense, but it's like, "where do I start" ?

c) if I got really industrious, I suppose I could create the fake docs myself, with enough time, research and resources. this seems like a huge enterprise though, and it would have to be good enough to present to doctors, institutions etc for a few years and not be questioned.

Very interested in any similar situations where you have had successes.

Thanks for considering. I know some of this may garner hate posts or big disagreement posts. Thank you everyone for your input.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1323649


That is a tough one bro. Has your spouse read any of the anti-vaccine information out there? Try vaclib.org also there is a lady named Mary Tocco that does great work. I would go the route of trying to convince at all costs, then if all else fails try the fraud route, but DO NOT under any circumstances let those murderers stick your kids with poison. I don't think it would be that hard to forge, really. Get a yellow-card (WHO) and just do fake numbers, dates, signatures, etc. I will scan mine and let you look at it if you need me to.
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11/22/2012 10:06 AM

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Re: so if I wanted to fake a vaccination record...
This is a hard post to write. Some background:

CDC also asks for the name of your Dr. to verify that your children had the shots. They also ask for permission to access school records. They do check up on what ever you say.

My thinking is that if they find out your child is not vaccinated, the next step will be to show up at the school and remove the child and forcibly vaccinate your child, or alternately, they will not allow your child into school. Then they will have you charged with child endangerment.

This is the Gestapo at work folks. You all better get some legal advice on just what your rights really are to protect your children. Play them at their own game.
 Quoting: ohhappydays


Because of 1) the chance of what's described in the post above, and because 2) my spouse and I unfortunately disagree vehemently on whether to begin some "basic" vaccines for our almost 2 year old daughter, I am actually very sad to be on here today asking you guys very seriously, do you think I can pull off getting a "fake" vac record for my child?

I'm here seeking both feedback and additional ideas. These are the options I've brainstormed so far, and that I'm literally prepared to do:

a) take the nurse aside (community clinic) in whatever little room we're in and offer her good cash to *not* administer the shot, but provide the records as if she had.

one negative with this is it would have to be an ongoing process- I would probably have to return to the very same nurse. concerned w/ feasability of this.

b) skip the community clinic visit entirely but simply pay for the service of faking a health record from said clinic. this would be the first time looking for a "black-market" type service. I feel dense, but it's like, "where do I start" ?

c) if I got really industrious, I suppose I could create the fake docs myself, with enough time, research and resources. this seems like a huge enterprise though, and it would have to be good enough to present to doctors, institutions etc for a few years and not be questioned.

Very interested in any similar situations where you have had successes.

Thanks for considering. I know some of this may garner hate posts or big disagreement posts. Thank you everyone for your input.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1323649


Option A is a terrible plan. Nearly ALL of the nurses/doctors in this wicked system have been so brainwashed that no amount of $ would help. They really believe they are helping the world out by poisoning people. They will turn you in, and you will likely face charges for a number of things, including medical fraud, bribery, even endangerment.
Option B is possible, but finding a source would be next to impossible, I would think.
Option C is your best bet, but still option D is convincing your spouse. No schools that I am aware of by law can force you to get them yet, you just have to have the proper opt-out form. They are all available on vaclib.org
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Re: so if I wanted to fake a vaccination record...
since you didn't mention that you lived in either WV or MS (the only states without non-medical exemptions), then i assume that your reason for trying to get falsified vax records is to deceive you spouse.

this is not acceptable behavior. it's one thing to willfully put your daughter at greater risk for disease, but to do it and lie to your husband about it is unconscionable. this isn't like sneaking off and having her baptized or some other symbolic act. this decision is about real health risks, and it is not your decision to make for the baby. it's both of yours.

and btw, here's something else to consider: suppose you succeed in bribing or falsifying your way out of vaxing your daughter. then, years later, your hubby admits that he suspected you'd do that so he secretly had her vaxed himself just to be sure. would you be angry? if so, how would you justify your anger? didn't he do the exact same thing you're trying to do right now? these are good things to think about whenever you consider lying to somebody you love about something that's important to them. good luck.

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